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2021-07-04 2:49:02 AM  
Emmerich's a hack, but even a blind chicken finds the occasional corn.
 
2021-07-04 2:49:02 AM  
They didn't mention the MacBook that saved Earf. But it did.
 
2021-07-04 7:24:07 AM  
I remember a story Will Smith told about that time in his career. He basically said that the studios always insisted he have a Hispanic love interest because a black woman would make it a black movie and a white woman would make it "uncomfortable".
 
2021-07-04 7:24:28 AM  
Just watched it yesterday.

Still a good popcorn movie.
 
2021-07-04 8:25:10 AM  
They wanted Bruce Willis.
Maybe Mel Gibson.
 
2021-07-04 8:32:09 AM  

swahnhennessy: They wanted Bruce Willis.
Maybe Mel Gibson.


Not particularly a fan of Will's brand of "acting" but for Independence Day his energy was totally what sold the movie. He was perfect for it.
 
2021-07-04 8:36:03 AM  
Then he turned down The Matrix for Wild, Wild West.
 
2021-07-04 8:47:34 AM  
I have to defend my philly brother.

Can we stop with Will Smith saying "Earf"?

Number one, it's kinda racist.

Number two, he clearly pronounces Earth correctly in the movie.

/Gets off soapbox
 
2021-07-04 8:49:19 AM  
Will Smith is very good at playing Will Smith, which is why he is always cast as Will Smith.

/not a fan
 
2021-07-04 8:54:37 AM  

GregoryD: I have to defend my philly brother.

Can we stop with Will Smith saying "Earf"?

Number one, it's kinda racist.

Number two, he clearly pronounces Earth correctly in the movie.

/Gets off soapbox


I don't know if it's racist or not and frankly I don't care but I was there opening day and it sure as hell sound it like erf
"WELCON NA ERF" is my recollection.
 
2021-07-04 9:04:55 AM  

Tchernobog: Just watched it yesterday.

Still a good popcorn movie.


It's smarter than most people give it credit for being.  In fact, most of the criticism of the film (like the MacBook thing previously mentioned) are because people didn't actually watch the movie carefully.  Or don't understand the reasoning behind certain decisions or actions in the film.

But if you watch it carefully you understand why things are done a certain way.

It's by no means a perfect film, but it is smarter than a typical "popcorn film".
 
2021-07-04 9:24:44 AM  

ghostfacekillahrabbit: I remember a story Will Smith told about that time in his career. He basically said that the studios always insisted he have a Hispanic love interest because a black woman would make it a black movie and a white woman would make it "uncomfortable".


Kinda like how all of Jake and Sisko's love interests in DS9 were black*. It is the farking future and people fark across species. There was even the famous Uhura/Kirk interracial kiss because it is supposed to be a progressive franchise. But they still were afraid of going interracial romance in 90s tv.

* Except in the mirror universe. Sisko farked Kira and Dax there. Guess it was ok to get all 'where da white women at' if you were an evil double.
 
2021-07-04 10:04:38 AM  

Bslim: GregoryD: I have to defend my philly brother.

Can we stop with Will Smith saying "Earf"?

Number one, it's kinda racist.

Number two, he clearly pronounces Earth correctly in the movie.

/Gets off soapbox

I don't know if it's racist or not and frankly I don't care but I was there opening day and it sure as hell sound it like erf
"WELCON NA ERF" is my recollection.


Hmmm maybe if there were such a recording of said event that people could procure that you know could review such pronunciation.
 
2021-07-04 10:32:41 AM  

Bslim: GregoryD: I have to defend my philly brother.

Can we stop with Will Smith saying "Earf"?

Number one, it's kinda racist.

Number two, he clearly pronounces Earth correctly in the movie.

/Gets off soapbox

I don't know if it's racist or not and frankly I don't care but I was there opening day and it sure as hell sound it like erf
"WELCON NA ERF" is my recollection.


And just a few days ago I would have bet everything I own that I watched a particular show on one channel when it was actually a different channel. The "memory" is so vivid, I still have trouble believing it.

Sometimes we remember shiat wrong.
 
2021-07-04 10:33:18 AM  

GregoryD: I have to defend my philly brother.

Can we stop with Will Smith saying "Earf"?

Number one, it's kinda racist.

Number two, he clearly pronounces Earth correctly in the movie.

/Gets off soapbox


Welcome to Farf?
 
2021-07-04 10:49:30 AM  
ID4 is fun in a guilty pleasure kind of way.  But it is so unrelentingly stupid and cliched.  It reminds me of the 70's disaster flicks featuring a cast of mostly B-list celebrities and one or two A-listers to give it credibility.

And the less said about the sequel the better.
 
2021-07-04 11:08:00 AM  

Close2TheEdge: ID4 is fun in a guilty pleasure kind of way.  But it is so unrelentingly stupid and cliched.  It reminds me of the 70's disaster flicks featuring a cast of mostly B-list celebrities and one or two A-listers to give it credibility. And the less said about the sequel the better.


Well the excuse is that it's based on the silly UFO movies of the 1950s.
 
2021-07-04 11:39:07 AM  
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2021-07-04 11:40:51 AM  

Close2TheEdge: ID4 is fun in a guilty pleasure kind of way.  But it is so unrelentingly stupid and cliched.  It reminds me of the 70's disaster flicks featuring a cast of mostly B-list celebrities and one or two A-listers to give it credibility.

And the less said about the sequel the better.


In what specific ways is it stupid?

/You're right about the sequel.
 
2021-07-04 11:43:08 AM  

Mugato: Close2TheEdge: ID4 is fun in a guilty pleasure kind of way.  But it is so unrelentingly stupid and cliched.  It reminds me of the 70's disaster flicks featuring a cast of mostly B-list celebrities and one or two A-listers to give it credibility. And the less said about the sequel the better.

Well the excuse is that it's based on the silly UFO movies of the 1950s.


Specifically, it's a re-imagining of the 1953 George Pal film "War of the Worlds".
 
2021-07-04 11:56:41 AM  

dittybopper: Close2TheEdge: ID4 is fun in a guilty pleasure kind of way.  But it is so unrelentingly stupid and cliched.  It reminds me of the 70's disaster flicks featuring a cast of mostly B-list celebrities and one or two A-listers to give it credibility.

And the less said about the sequel the better.

In what specific ways is it stupid?

/You're right about the sequel.


The characters are all just so cliched.  The square-jawed President.  The reluctant but plucky and quippy hero, who in only a slight reversal from the 50's template is a black man.  His goofy sidekick.  His girlfriend who is the stripper with a heart of gold.  The list goes on and on.

So much of the "science" is dumbed down to the extreme.  There are the gay panic jokes between Will Smith and Harry Connick.  The obviously stupid decision to nuke a city in the belief that more power would take out a superior force, when every piece of evidence up to that point screamed the opposite to be true.  The dog leaping through an exploding car.  I mean how many more examples do you need?

And yeah, I get it.  It's supposed to be corny popcorn entertainment and on that level, it succeeds.  But there is only so much I can turn my brain off before it starts to revolt against the stupid.
 
2021-07-04 12:02:47 PM  

kbronsito: Kinda like how all of Jake and Sisko's love interests in DS9 were black*.



Jake hooked up with two dabo girls, both Bajoran (white)
 
2021-07-04 12:34:51 PM  
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2021-07-04 1:08:43 PM  

Close2TheEdge: dittybopper: Close2TheEdge: ID4 is fun in a guilty pleasure kind of way.  But it is so unrelentingly stupid and cliched.  It reminds me of the 70's disaster flicks featuring a cast of mostly B-list celebrities and one or two A-listers to give it credibility.

And the less said about the sequel the better.

In what specific ways is it stupid?

/You're right about the sequel.

The characters are all just so cliched.  The square-jawed President.  The reluctant but plucky and quippy hero, who in only a slight reversal from the 50's template is a black man.  His goofy sidekick.  His girlfriend who is the stripper with a heart of gold.  The list goes on and on.

So much of the "science" is dumbed down to the extreme.  There are the gay panic jokes between Will Smith and Harry Connick.  The obviously stupid decision to nuke a city in the belief that more power would take out a superior force, when every piece of evidence up to that point screamed the opposite to be true.  The dog leaping through an exploding car.  I mean how many more examples do you need?

And yeah, I get it.  It's supposed to be corny popcorn entertainment and on that level, it succeeds.  But there is only so much I can turn my brain off before it starts to revolt against the stupid.


It insists upon itself.
 
2021-07-04 1:23:36 PM  

Close2TheEdge: dittybopper: Close2TheEdge: ID4 is fun in a guilty pleasure kind of way.  But it is so unrelentingly stupid and cliched.  It reminds me of the 70's disaster flicks featuring a cast of mostly B-list celebrities and one or two A-listers to give it credibility.

And the less said about the sequel the better.

In what specific ways is it stupid?

/You're right about the sequel.

The characters are all just so cliched.  The square-jawed President.  The reluctant but plucky and quippy hero, who in only a slight reversal from the 50's template is a black man.  His goofy sidekick.  His girlfriend who is the stripper with a heart of gold.  The list goes on and on.

So much of the "science" is dumbed down to the extreme.  There are the gay panic jokes between Will Smith and Harry Connick.  The obviously stupid decision to nuke a city in the belief that more power would take out a superior force, when every piece of evidence up to that point screamed the opposite to be true.  The dog leaping through an exploding car.  I mean how many more examples do you need?

And yeah, I get it.  It's supposed to be corny popcorn entertainment and on that level, it succeeds.  But there is only so much I can turn my brain off before it starts to revolt against the stupid.


Pretty much the dog leaping is the only valid criticism you have.  But even that is understandable because it's a Hollywood trope that you don't kill dogs and kids onscreen.

My biggest criticism is that once they took down the shields, they should have used nuclear weapons instead of small missiles.  Missiles with 20 to 50 lb warheads aren't going to do squat to a ship the size of a city.
 
2021-07-04 1:35:40 PM  
The shiat we choose to argue about
 
2021-07-04 1:48:09 PM  

Crewmannumber6: The shiat we choose to argue about


Welcome to Fark.
 
2021-07-04 1:52:30 PM  

Bslim: swahnhennessy: They wanted Bruce Willis.
Maybe Mel Gibson.

Not particularly a fan of Will's brand of "acting" but for Independence Day his energy was totally what sold the movie. He was perfect for it.


Bruce Willis was not in Independence Day. Are you thinking of Armegedden?
 
2021-07-04 1:55:23 PM  

blondambition: Bslim: swahnhennessy: They wanted Bruce Willis.
Maybe Mel Gibson.

Not particularly a fan of Will's brand of "acting" but for Independence Day his energy was totally what sold the movie. He was perfect for it.

Bruce Willis was not in Independence Day. Are you thinking of Armegedden?


Will's == possessive form of "Will" (as in Smith)
Willis == last name of Bruce "Willis", and actor no one ever claimed was in Independence Day
 
2021-07-04 1:57:08 PM  

WhippingBoi: blondambition: Bslim: swahnhennessy: They wanted Bruce Willis.
Maybe Mel Gibson.

Not particularly a fan of Will's brand of "acting" but for Independence Day his energy was totally what sold the movie. He was perfect for it.

Bruce Willis was not in Independence Day. Are you thinking of Armegedden?

Will's == possessive form of "Will" (as in Smith)
Willis == last name of Bruce "Willis", and actor no one ever claimed was in Independence Day

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2021-07-04 2:08:08 PM  

Close2TheEdge: The characters are all just so cliched. The square-jawed President. The reluctant but plucky and quippy hero, who in only a slight reversal from the 50's template is a black man. His goofy sidekick. His girlfriend who is the stripper with a heart of gold. The list goes on and on.


Except for the square jawed President, I know all those people.
 
2021-07-04 2:13:47 PM  

Mugato: Close2TheEdge: The characters are all just so cliched. The square-jawed President. The reluctant but plucky and quippy hero, who in only a slight reversal from the 50's template is a black man. His goofy sidekick. His girlfriend who is the stripper with a heart of gold. The list goes on and on.

Except for the square jawed President, I know all those people.


....actually the shot of the White House getting blown up I first saw on a TV at Diamond Dolls, waiting for my future (and past) girlfriend.

But really, hacking an alien computer system with a 1996 Mac? I know the film was based on silly UFO movies from the 1950s but even they gave some sort of techno-babble to explain their their silly plot contrivances.

Still, liked the film a lot. The sequel not so much.
 
2021-07-04 2:21:54 PM  

Mugato: Mugato: Close2TheEdge: The characters are all just so cliched. The square-jawed President. The reluctant but plucky and quippy hero, who in only a slight reversal from the 50's template is a black man. His goofy sidekick. His girlfriend who is the stripper with a heart of gold. The list goes on and on.

Except for the square jawed President, I know all those people.

....actually the shot of the White House getting blown up I first saw on a TV at Diamond Dolls, waiting for my future (and past) girlfriend.

But really, hacking an alien computer system with a 1996 Mac? I know the film was based on silly UFO movies from the 1950s but even they gave some sort of techno-babble to explain their their silly plot contrivances.

Still, liked the film a lot. The sequel not so much.


Don't get me wrong.  I'm not trying to hold ID4 up to the level of great science fiction.  It's not about big ideas.  It's about invading aliens and blowing shiat up.  That's why I would call it a guilty pleasure.  By contrast, I tried to watch Prometheus the other day.  A movie that tries to be about BIG IDEAS.  But wow, is that movie dumb.  The characters act in the most illogical ways and are almost slasher movie cliched in their stupidity.  And the big ideas presented have all been done before in much better films and stories.
 
2021-07-04 2:38:36 PM  

Mugato: Mugato: Close2TheEdge: The characters are all just so cliched. The square-jawed President. The reluctant but plucky and quippy hero, who in only a slight reversal from the 50's template is a black man. His goofy sidekick. His girlfriend who is the stripper with a heart of gold. The list goes on and on.

Except for the square jawed President, I know all those people.

....actually the shot of the White House getting blown up I first saw on a TV at Diamond Dolls, waiting for my future (and past) girlfriend.

But really, hacking an alien computer system with a 1996 Mac? I know the film was based on silly UFO movies from the 1950s but even they gave some sort of techno-babble to explain their their silly plot contrivances.

Still, liked the film a lot. The sequel not so much.


There's a deleted scene, or a scripted scene that didn't get shot, where they mention how all modern computing technology was reverse-engineered from the alien ship they had at Area 51. It was brief and would have blunted some of the criticism about how ridiculous it was a 1996 MacBook could successfully network with alien tech. I don't know why it didn't make the final cut.
 
2021-07-04 2:48:59 PM  
But really, hacking an alien computer system with a 1996 Mac? I know the film was based on silly UFO movies from the 1950s but even they gave some sort of techno-babble to explain their their silly plot contrivances. Still, liked the film a lot. The sequel not so much. T

There's a deleted scene, or a scripted scene that didn't get shot, where they mention how all modern computing technology was reverse-engineered from the alien ship they had at Area 51. It was brief and would have blunted some of the criticism about how ridiculous it was a 1996 MacBook;could successfully network with alien tech. I don't know why it didn't make the final cut.



Ok, I would have bought that. Just any explanation at all. Also I thought up of binary, (1's and 0's) is a universal language and he could have written the virus that way.

I didn't need a CS degree lecture on how it worked but just throw something out.
 
2021-07-04 4:40:10 PM  

natazha: Will Smith is very good at playing Will Smith, which is why he is always cast as Will Smith.

/not a fan


I don't mind him but his kids on the other hand
 
2021-07-04 5:05:00 PM  
Ah, Independence Day where Harry Connick Jr. sings to Will Smiff's dick.
 
2021-07-04 6:11:21 PM  

Trik: Ah, Independence Day where Harry Connick Jr. sings to Will Smiff's dick.


"Don't get premature on me, Marine".
 
2021-07-04 6:44:58 PM  

GregoryD: Can we stop with Will Smith saying "Earf"?

Number one, it's kinda racist.


It's not racist.

The th-fronting accent comes from the eastern part of London, England.
 
2021-07-04 8:10:53 PM  

Tchernobog: Just watched it yesterday.

Still a good popcorn movie.


I watched both yesterday. The sequel isn't great, but I really needed to bookend the franchise... Still a fun way to pass the time.
 
2021-07-04 9:23:37 PM  

Darth Funjamin: Mugato: Mugato: Close2TheEdge: The characters are all just so cliched. The square-jawed President. The reluctant but plucky and quippy hero, who in only a slight reversal from the 50's template is a black man. His goofy sidekick. His girlfriend who is the stripper with a heart of gold. The list goes on and on.

Except for the square jawed President, I know all those people.

....actually the shot of the White House getting blown up I first saw on a TV at Diamond Dolls, waiting for my future (and past) girlfriend.

But really, hacking an alien computer system with a 1996 Mac? I know the film was based on silly UFO movies from the 1950s but even they gave some sort of techno-babble to explain their their silly plot contrivances.

Still, liked the film a lot. The sequel not so much.

There's a deleted scene, or a scripted scene that didn't get shot, where they mention how all modern computing technology was reverse-engineered from the alien ship they had at Area 51. It was brief and would have blunted some of the criticism about how ridiculous it was a 1996 MacBook could successfully network with alien tech. I don't know why it didn't make the final cut.


Wrong.  There is no deleted scene does not show that.

The idea isn't stupid. Brundlefly figures out how they count from their signal.  And he has a working ship to test, and dozens of technicians who have been studying it for years.  A simple virus is just that, simple.  All you really need is to know how to copy an instruction from location A to location B as nd transfer control to B.

And of course, you'd use a human computer to handle the translation from human readable code to alien machine code.

This is one of those criticisms that I consider stupid because those who use it don't actually think about the implications of what the movie tells us.
 
2021-07-04 9:28:37 PM  
I mean there is no deleted scene that shows that.
 
2021-07-05 2:18:38 AM  
Most likely, Fox had their eye on another actor for the lead. Given it was the early 90s and considering the age of the character, I'm guessing Brad Pitt, Christian Slater, or Keanu Reeves (who had just given Fox a blockbuster with "Speed").

In 1994-95, when ID4 was in pre-production, Will Smith was still a gamble. "Bad Boys" hadn't come out yet and his acting resume consisted of a sitcom and a Manhattan family melodrama that no one saw. Instead of just saying they didn't think he could do it, Fox came up with race excuse, using examples of recent Wesley Snipes and Eddie Murphy flicks that didn't do as well as expected.
 
2021-07-05 4:15:11 AM  
Did someone say Wil Smiff?
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