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2021-07-03 8:36:05 PM  
CRAB STUFFED FILLET FOR $9.95?!?!?!



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2021-07-03 9:00:13 PM  
He did have a point, I had to take three calculus courses, number theory and a lot of other bullshiat I never had to use in real life.
 
2021-07-03 9:01:04 PM  
Good to know my career field was declared a fad when I was a child.

/To be fair, I didn't go to college for CS until I had already been in the field for a decade
 
2021-07-03 9:04:14 PM  

Bootleg: Good to know my career field was declared a fad when I was a child.

/To be fair, I didn't go to college for CS until I had already been in the field for a decade


Late 90s? No, you didn't need a degree back then.
 
2021-07-03 9:05:19 PM  
In 87 I was taking calculus and programming (pascal/fortran) and loving the hell out of it.
 
2021-07-03 9:11:48 PM  
I started CS just after the dot com bubble burst and I heard this a lot. It didn't make any sense then either.
 
2021-07-03 9:12:13 PM  
The personal computer was definitely a fad in the early-mid 80s. Lots of people bought these things, and later realized they couldn't really do much that mattered to them (their kids on the other hand...)

//source: me, apple II kid, 30y career in software
 
2021-07-03 9:16:06 PM  

Bootleg: Good to know my career field was declared a fad when I was a child.

/To be fair, I didn't go to college for CS until I had already been in the field for a decade


I never got a CS degree and I'm almost 30 years in application development and systems design.
But will finish my masters in CS soon I hope.
 
2021-07-03 9:17:43 PM  
Hey cool, you can eat Marco Polo for at lunch for a good price:

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2021-07-03 9:20:38 PM  
I guess it depends on what you want to focus on in the field but in my experience nobody who knows SQL will ever go hungry in IT.
 
2021-07-03 9:23:59 PM  

EnzoTheCoder: I guess it depends on what you want to focus on in the field but in my experience nobody who knows SQL will ever go hungry in IT.


SQL's like the simplest language there is.
 
2021-07-03 9:33:15 PM  
What the FARK do I need #!$@ing logarithms for ?!.!
 
2021-07-03 9:58:52 PM  

Badmoodman: Hey cool, you can eat Marco Polo for at lunch for a good price:

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That caught my eye, too. What the hell was a Marco Polo?

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2021-07-03 10:03:49 PM  
All I need to know is how to say "endpoint" and some basic XML and I'm making six figures.
 
2021-07-03 10:04:10 PM  

Mugato: Bootleg: Good to know my career field was declared a fad when I was a child.

/To be fair, I didn't go to college for CS until I had already been in the field for a decade

Late 90s? No, you didn't need a degree back then.


Early aughts, through the military.

/I was in basic when we pushed into Iraq, to be specific.
 
2021-07-03 10:06:32 PM  

Bootleg: Mugato: Bootleg: Good to know my career field was declared a fad when I was a child.

/To be fair, I didn't go to college for CS until I had already been in the field for a decade

Late 90s? No, you didn't need a degree back then.

Early aughts, through the military.


Oh. That's when me and all my programmer friends got laid off.
 
2021-07-03 10:15:56 PM  
Was this around the time the games market collapsed because of shiatty shovelware?

And when games became something people made to something corporations with hundreds of staff made?
 
2021-07-03 10:19:47 PM  

b0rscht: In 87 I was taking calculus and programming (pascal/fortran) and loving the hell out of it.


Oh God, Pascal was my first programming language if you don't count Turtle/Logo. I loved the hell out of it. Then I went to college for mechanical engineering and took Fortran 77. Fortran did, does, and always will suck farking ass. I understand the necessity, especially for double precision programming, but holy Christ it was an unfriendly language to program in.
 
2021-07-03 10:27:13 PM  
CHARACTER(LEN=30) :: Format
Format = "(5X, I5.2, F10.3, A, ES14.7)"

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2021-07-03 10:55:45 PM  

Mugato: EnzoTheCoder: I guess it depends on what you want to focus on in the field but in my experience nobody who knows SQL will ever go hungry in IT.

SQL's like the simplest language there is.


(13 million rows of data in Oracle db table)

select *
from huge_fn_table
where trim(some_column) = 'fart';
 
2021-07-03 11:39:58 PM  
Today's CS programs will never produce the kinds of minds that had to handle MVS.

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2021-07-03 11:53:36 PM  

EnzoTheCoder: I guess it depends on what you want to focus on in the field but in my experience nobody who knows SQL will ever go hungry in IT.


I was in IT for 6 years doing SQL/db admin work, hated it jumped ship did logistics/construction for 6 years, now im coming back to IT with everything I remember about SQL and just landed a gov. job managing data. SQL is a meal ticket that keeps on giving.
 
2021-07-03 11:56:47 PM  

Mugato: He did have a point, I had to take three calculus courses, number theory and a lot of other bullshiat I never had to use in real life.


The number of sorting algorithms that I have written in my programming career is holding steady at precisely zero.
 
2021-07-03 11:57:17 PM  

ImmutableTenderloin: SQL is a meal ticket that keeps on giving.


Truer words have never been spoken.

Also as an IT/sysadmin type I've been working for 30 years waiting to be "automated out of a job".  Here's what happens with these smarter systems - although they internally work well enough they don't play well with each other at all and since people want them to that means even more work for people like me - and higher pay grade work at that.
 
2021-07-03 11:58:52 PM  
Looks like people fled the Gourmet House fad, too, it closed a couple of years after this article/ad was published https://www.bismarckcafe.com/blogs/wi​k​i/gourmet-house-restaurant
 
2021-07-03 11:59:24 PM  

Sum Dum Gai: Mugato: He did have a point, I had to take three calculus courses, number theory and a lot of other bullshiat I never had to use in real life.

The number of sorting algorithms that I have written in my programming career is holding steady at precisely zero.


No doubt...
sort -u -f
 
2021-07-04 12:00:05 AM  

Mugato: EnzoTheCoder: I guess it depends on what you want to focus on in the field but in my experience nobody who knows SQL will ever go hungry in IT.

SQL's like the simplest language there is.


People can generally write queries, but I have never seen a schema that isn't farked up.
 
2021-07-04 12:03:00 AM  

Sum Dum Gai: Mugato: He did have a point, I had to take three calculus courses, number theory and a lot of other bullshiat I never had to use in real life.

The number of sorting algorithms that I have written in my programming career is holding steady at precisely zero.


Yeah, developing an intuition for when a sort allows some process to be done significantly faster (e.g. turning an O(n2) problem into an O(nlogn) problem) is far more important in day to day life than being able to code a sort.
 
2021-07-04 12:03:27 AM  
growing up in a small town in No.NJ USA there was Carl's Catering downtown. they had broasted chicken that got cooked up in these large cylindrical cookers. the chicken was wonderful, all the juice in there, a very light coating/breading. yum.
 
2021-07-04 12:05:28 AM  
Clickbait circa 1987.
 
2021-07-04 12:10:12 AM  

Winterlight: Badmoodman: Hey cool, you can eat Marco Polo for at lunch for a good price:

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That caught my eye, too. What the hell was a Marco Polo?

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Fancy spaghetti.
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2021-07-04 12:15:39 AM  

scumm: The personal computer was definitely a fad in the early-mid 80s. Lots of people bought these things, and later realized they couldn't really do much that mattered to them (their kids on the other hand...)

//source: me, apple II kid, 30y career in software


Vic20, Com64, Amiga, 37 years IT (4 years Army to get the school money)
 
2021-07-04 12:16:05 AM  
A good friend warned me when I told him I was starting the CS track that they force Calculus on the CS freshmen simply because they want to see who is CS material (those that pass) and "Management Information Systems" material. It was true in my class.
I suppose the other sciences have their hurdle class to weed out the weak ones.
 
2021-07-04 12:16:10 AM  
errr, 27
 
2021-07-04 12:21:22 AM  
Look, I was five at the time. I couldn't get even ITT tech to take my transcript seriously! I knew my letters and numbers up to 128 and even the theme to M*A*S*H*! Couldn't get in until 2003; then the great offshoring happened and I got stuck on hell desk duty. By then, I was too old for silicon valley.

/Stupid ITT tech...
 
2021-07-04 12:21:44 AM  

dailygrinds: Winterlight: Badmoodman: Hey cool, you can eat Marco Polo for at lunch for a good price:

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That caught my eye, too. What the hell was a Marco Polo?

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Fancy spaghetti.
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Julia Child's fancy spaghetti
 
2021-07-04 12:21:50 AM  

b0rscht: In 87 I was taking calculus and programming (pascal/fortran) and loving the hell out of it.


In '88 I bailed out on a basic first year programming class, because I didn't speak your guys' language and knew that I never would.

"Leave it to the pros", I recall thinking.
 
2021-07-04 12:25:40 AM  

buckwebb: A good friend warned me when I told him I was starting the CS track that they force Calculus on the CS freshmen simply because they want to see who is CS material (those that pass) and "Management Information Systems" material. It was true in my class.
I suppose the other sciences have their hurdle class to weed out the weak ones.


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//Yes, Calculus was our weed out class
///Haven't used calculus since
 
2021-07-04 12:27:35 AM  

Mugato: He did have a point, I had to take three calculus courses, number theory and a lot of other bullshiat I never had to use in real life.


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2021-07-04 12:28:24 AM  
My wife is working on her PHD in this field right now so I'm getting a kick.
 
2021-07-04 12:30:02 AM  

Xcott: Today's CS programs will never produce the kinds of minds that had to handle MVS.

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Really? You somehow think todays distributed systems are less complex?
 
2021-07-04 12:33:46 AM  
Hey, they were smart to get out. Just today, I nearly got run down by a Bentley driven by some VCR-repair billionaire.
 
2021-07-04 12:35:36 AM  
I'm glad I got a CS degree since it's a skeleton key for getting a foot into just about any job area in tech companies, but I had no idea how much math and theory it would take.  Pumping lemma says what?
 
2021-07-04 12:36:37 AM  

buckwebb: A good friend warned me when I told him I was starting the CS track that they force Calculus on the CS freshmen simply because they want to see who is CS material (those that pass) and "Management Information Systems" material. It was true in my class.
I suppose the other sciences have their hurdle class to weed out the weak ones.


That's what they did for us, too.  They figured that if you couldn't handle calculus, you probably weren't going to get through assembly language.  No relation, just "can you handle something technical."

But the assembly language class was the real hurdle class.  The calculus requirement was just to throttle the number of students attempting it.  And all the classes afterward were all in assembly:  data structures in assembly, operating systems in assembly, etc.  By the end of the program some students were more comfortable reading hex dumps than source listings.  I guess it was weed-out classes all the way through.

Nowadays, kids just get a taste of assembly in some architecture course, and you can't justify making them do it a lot or for real.  It's a shame, because it teaches a certain rigorous low-level mindset you just can't get from higher-level programming languages.
 
2021-07-04 12:36:59 AM  

Enigmamf: Sum Dum Gai: Mugato: He did have a point, I had to take three calculus courses, number theory and a lot of other bullshiat I never had to use in real life.

The number of sorting algorithms that I have written in my programming career is holding steady at precisely zero.

Yeah, developing an intuition for when a sort allows some process to be done significantly faster (e.g. turning an O(n2) problem into an O(nlogn) problem) is far more important in day to day life than being able to code a sort.


But if you actually understand the sort algorithms you don't have to use intuition. You just pick the right one for the problem. Difference between people writing frameworks vs using frameworks is people writing frameworks have vacation homes in Aspen.
 
2021-07-04 12:41:25 AM  

Sum Dum Gai: Mugato: He did have a point, I had to take three calculus courses, number theory and a lot of other bullshiat I never had to use in real life.

The number of sorting algorithms that I have written in my programming career is holding steady at precisely zero.


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2021-07-04 12:42:14 AM  

AcneVulgaris: Mugato: EnzoTheCoder: I guess it depends on what you want to focus on in the field but in my experience nobody who knows SQL will ever go hungry in IT.

SQL's like the simplest language there is.

People can generally write queries, but I have never seen a schema that isn't farked up.


When I ask someone what does it take to house and query 10 billion rows of data I get a deer in the headlight look.  To this day database design is probably still considered by many to be Black Magic and voodoo. Because you can write python scripts or C sharp code does not mean you know how a database engine sift and sort through data stored somewhere. And I say that as someone who taught others python and C-sharp and also database design. They both involve some form of code but the mindset is not usually the same. And that's what gets people.
 
2021-07-04 12:48:29 AM  
I had an idea for something mechanical and thought I had to study mechanical engineering to put together my idea. Differential equations and finite element analysis, octahedral matrix equations and a course in ethics that made me so bored I went evil. It was entirely too late when I realized I had a business problem, you can buy the engineering once you get the money figured out.
 
2021-07-04 12:52:43 AM  

wildcardjack: I had an idea for something mechanical and thought I had to study mechanical engineering to put together my idea. Differential equations and finite element analysis, octahedral matrix equations and a course in ethics that made me so bored I went evil. It was entirely too late when I realized I had a business problem, you can buy the engineering once you get the money figured out.


The smartest people in the world are in business field for this very reason.
 
2021-07-04 12:57:38 AM  
"the field is more difficult than they had thought"

I fell into that category

/And I ran
//I ran so far away
///I couldn't get away
 
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