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2021-06-30 9:14:40 AM  
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/blut!
 
2021-06-30 9:35:51 AM  
Leave it to Microsoft to require some obscure piece of silicon during a severe silicon shortage.
 
2021-06-30 9:38:52 AM  
Ftfa: Major problems with search?

Since when has Microsoft been able to search for ANYTHING?
 
2021-06-30 9:49:19 AM  
The one pic in article isn't really enough to go by, would have to mess with the product for a bit.  That said, every single time there's a major change in how interface works, it's a disruption and often with little to no benefit.
 
2021-06-30 9:50:06 AM  
Libre Office
https://www.libreoffice.org/

Seriously this day and age you really don't need more then that for most tasks.
 
2021-06-30 9:58:26 AM  
Still trying to make Windows 11 a thing

/how virally-seekingly  droll
 
2021-06-30 9:59:18 AM  
If it's one thing MS knows is how to make a UI worse.
 
2021-06-30 10:00:12 AM  

Nimbull: Libre Office
https://www.libreoffice.org/

Seriously this day and age you really don't need more then that for most tasks.


It even has a grammar checker!
 
2021-06-30 10:00:37 AM  
Nothing should ever be changed. Ever. Under no circumstances.

/unless it's something I want changed
 
2021-06-30 10:01:02 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Leave it to Microsoft to require some obscure piece of silicon during a severe silicon shortage.


What's this obscure piece of silicon?
 
2021-06-30 10:04:31 AM  

physt: If it's one thing MS knows is how to make a UI worse.


Looks like they have been pillaging some functions from Google Docs regarding sharing.

/ so glad the Fortune 50 company i work for ditched MS for GSuite several years ago...
// Only weirdos left with MS products are PMs looking for Project or some of the crustier devs/architect types that can't let go of Visio
 
2021-06-30 10:07:11 AM  

Elzar: physt: If it's one thing MS knows is how to make a UI worse.

Looks like they have been pillaging some functions from Google Docs regarding sharing.

/ so glad the Fortune 50 company i work for ditched MS for GSuite several years ago...
// Only weirdos left with MS products are PMs looking for Project or some of the crustier devs/architect types that can't let go of Visio


There is no replacement for Excel.

There are alternatives, but nothing else comes close
 
2021-06-30 10:08:40 AM  

Nimbull: Libre Office
https://www.libreoffice.org/

Seriously this day and age you really don't need more then that for most tasks.


You'd think.  But during a job search some years ago, one hurdle in the online application process was to read a document and agree to terms contained.

Was it HTML?  No.
Was it PDF?  No.
Was it ASCII .txt?  No

It was a Word docx that couldn't be opened by Openoffice or GoogleDocs or any slightly out of date Word.

I had to search down a MS tool to convert it to a format I could read.

Turned out to be simply a single page notification that they had a workers with disabilities program

wtf.

/Suspected at the time it was an effort to winnow out the poors from applying
//not sure, but I think the free online version of Office365 puked on it too
 
2021-06-30 10:09:58 AM  

Gubbo: Elzar: physt: If it's one thing MS knows is how to make a UI worse.

Looks like they have been pillaging some functions from Google Docs regarding sharing.

/ so glad the Fortune 50 company i work for ditched MS for GSuite several years ago...
// Only weirdos left with MS products are PMs looking for Project or some of the crustier devs/architect types that can't let go of Visio

There is no replacement for Excel.

There are alternatives, but nothing else comes close


That's true. I've never seen any other application that can achieve its level of being misused as a database.
 
2021-06-30 10:11:33 AM  

Chemlight Battery: Gubbo: Elzar: physt: If it's one thing MS knows is how to make a UI worse.

Looks like they have been pillaging some functions from Google Docs regarding sharing.

/ so glad the Fortune 50 company i work for ditched MS for GSuite several years ago...
// Only weirdos left with MS products are PMs looking for Project or some of the crustier devs/architect types that can't let go of Visio

There is no replacement for Excel.

There are alternatives, but nothing else comes close

That's true. I've never seen any other application that can achieve its level of being misused as a database.


Most common database in the world. No doubt about that.
 
2021-06-30 10:12:14 AM  

physt: If it's one thing MS knows is how to make a UI worse.


XP and 7 were the frickin chef's kiss as far as UI.
 
2021-06-30 10:19:16 AM  

Chemlight Battery: Gubbo: Elzar: physt: If it's one thing MS knows is how to make a UI worse.

Looks like they have been pillaging some functions from Google Docs regarding sharing.

/ so glad the Fortune 50 company i work for ditched MS for GSuite several years ago...
// Only weirdos left with MS products are PMs looking for Project or some of the crustier devs/architect types that can't let go of Visio

There is no replacement for Excel.

There are alternatives, but nothing else comes close

That's true. I've never seen any other application that can achieve its level of being misused as a database.


Companies are still using Excel? That's what Pandas is for - and Google Sheets if you really must have a UI front-end...

/ Put your data in a real database, then ETL that shiat before putting it into a table
// Ain't nobody got time for no INDIRECT() and VLOOKUP() nonsense
 
2021-06-30 10:36:03 AM  

Elzar: Chemlight Battery: Gubbo: Elzar: physt: If it's one thing MS knows is how to make a UI worse.

Looks like they have been pillaging some functions from Google Docs regarding sharing.

/ so glad the Fortune 50 company i work for ditched MS for GSuite several years ago...
// Only weirdos left with MS products are PMs looking for Project or some of the crustier devs/architect types that can't let go of Visio

There is no replacement for Excel.

There are alternatives, but nothing else comes close

That's true. I've never seen any other application that can achieve its level of being misused as a database.

Companies are still using Excel? That's what Pandas is for - and Google Sheets if you really must have a UI front-end...

/ Put your data in a real database, then ETL that shiat before putting it into a table
// Ain't nobody got time for no INDIRECT() and VLOOKUP() nonsense


Have you ever worked for a company that is even tangentially related to accounting or financial services? Or has ever had to email things to people.

I don't need to ask, I can tell you haven't.
 
2021-06-30 11:52:31 AM  

Kittypie070: physt: If it's one thing MS knows is how to make a UI worse.

XP and 7 were the frickin chef's kiss as far as UI.


Command line is superior.
 
2021-06-30 12:09:36 PM  

Nimbull: Libre Office
https://www.libreoffice.org/

Seriously this day and age you really don't need more then that for most tasks.


I use Apache OpenOffice. Does everything just like MS Office.
 
2021-06-30 12:18:47 PM  

Gubbo: Marcus Aurelius: Leave it to Microsoft to require some obscure piece of silicon during a severe silicon shortage.

What's this obscure piece of silicon?


TPM.  Trusted Platform Module.  An allegedly secure chip that Microsoft is going to use to make believe that Windows security will ever do more than suck ass.  It too will fail, and be replaced by a series of other technologies, until Microsoft finally throws in the towel and adopts Linux in 2050.
 
2021-06-30 12:22:31 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Gubbo: Marcus Aurelius: Leave it to Microsoft to require some obscure piece of silicon during a severe silicon shortage.

What's this obscure piece of silicon?

TPM.  Trusted Platform Module.  An allegedly secure chip that Microsoft is going to use to make believe that Windows security will ever do more than suck ass.  It too will fail, and be replaced by a series of other technologies, until Microsoft finally throws in the towel and adopts Linux in 2050.


My 3 year old laptop has this. I don't think it's all that obscure if we're being honest.
 
2021-06-30 12:23:50 PM  

Gubbo: Elzar: Chemlight Battery: Gubbo: Elzar: physt: If it's one thing MS knows is how to make a UI worse.

Looks like they have been pillaging some functions from Google Docs regarding sharing.

/ so glad the Fortune 50 company i work for ditched MS for GSuite several years ago...
// Only weirdos left with MS products are PMs looking for Project or some of the crustier devs/architect types that can't let go of Visio

There is no replacement for Excel.

There are alternatives, but nothing else comes close

That's true. I've never seen any other application that can achieve its level of being misused as a database.

Companies are still using Excel? That's what Pandas is for - and Google Sheets if you really must have a UI front-end...

/ Put your data in a real database, then ETL that shiat before putting it into a table
// Ain't nobody got time for no INDIRECT() and VLOOKUP() nonsense

Have you ever worked for a company that is even tangentially related to accounting or financial services? Or has ever had to email things to people.

I don't need to ask, I can tell you haven't.


There's really only a few businesses that run their systems entirely on Excel.  Banking, insurance, manufacturing, and retail, of course.  And utilities.  And pipelines.  And bulk processing operations.  And all the small businesses.  And the mid-sized businesses.  But other than that, Office has practically vanished.  I only have it on half of my computers, for example.  That's shocking.
 
2021-06-30 12:26:18 PM  

Gubbo: Marcus Aurelius: Gubbo: Marcus Aurelius: Leave it to Microsoft to require some obscure piece of silicon during a severe silicon shortage.

What's this obscure piece of silicon?

TPM.  Trusted Platform Module.  An allegedly secure chip that Microsoft is going to use to make believe that Windows security will ever do more than suck ass.  It too will fail, and be replaced by a series of other technologies, until Microsoft finally throws in the towel and adopts Linux in 2050.

My 3 year old laptop has this. I don't think it's all that obscure if we're being honest.


I have a whole passel of machine here without it, but they'll never sniff Windows in any case.  I limit my Windows exposure severely after the 7 to 10 debacle knocked out all the databases on my SQL Server.  That was not a good week.  All the Windows machines I have, I assume will take a powder at any time.  They're basically Chromebooks now.
 
2021-06-30 12:29:09 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Gubbo: Marcus Aurelius: Gubbo: Marcus Aurelius: Leave it to Microsoft to require some obscure piece of silicon during a severe silicon shortage.

What's this obscure piece of silicon?

TPM.  Trusted Platform Module.  An allegedly secure chip that Microsoft is going to use to make believe that Windows security will ever do more than suck ass.  It too will fail, and be replaced by a series of other technologies, until Microsoft finally throws in the towel and adopts Linux in 2050.

My 3 year old laptop has this. I don't think it's all that obscure if we're being honest.

I have a whole passel of machine here without it, but they'll never sniff Windows in any case.  I limit my Windows exposure severely after the 7 to 10 debacle knocked out all the databases on my SQL Server.  That was not a good week.  All the Windows machines I have, I assume will take a powder at any time.  They're basically Chromebooks now.


There's a lesson there somewhere. If you've never restored from backups, you don't have backups.

But if you're never gonna use windows 11, why care. I don't have any macs so I don't give a fark when os upgrades leave behind some models.

Actually, nobody gives a fark about that because it's allowed for apple to do that.
 
2021-06-30 12:34:59 PM  

Gubbo: Elzar: Chemlight Battery: Gubbo: Elzar: physt: If it's one thing MS knows is how to make a UI worse.

Looks like they have been pillaging some functions from Google Docs regarding sharing.

/ so glad the Fortune 50 company i work for ditched MS for GSuite several years ago...
// Only weirdos left with MS products are PMs looking for Project or some of the crustier devs/architect types that can't let go of Visio

There is no replacement for Excel.

There are alternatives, but nothing else comes close

That's true. I've never seen any other application that can achieve its level of being misused as a database.

Companies are still using Excel? That's what Pandas is for - and Google Sheets if you really must have a UI front-end...

/ Put your data in a real database, then ETL that shiat before putting it into a table
// Ain't nobody got time for no INDIRECT() and VLOOKUP() nonsense

Have you ever worked for a company that is even tangentially related to accounting or financial services? Or has ever had to email things to people.

I don't need to ask, I can tell you haven't.


I can build your spreadsheet from the data in my database.
 
2021-06-30 12:48:31 PM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: I can build your spreadsheet from the data in my database.


Most Excel users don't make it all the way to the "Data" ribbon.  That's wayyyy too mysterious.
 
2021-06-30 12:49:58 PM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: Gubbo: Elzar: Chemlight Battery: Gubbo: Elzar: physt: If it's one thing MS knows is how to make a UI worse.

Looks like they have been pillaging some functions from Google Docs regarding sharing.

/ so glad the Fortune 50 company i work for ditched MS for GSuite several years ago...
// Only weirdos left with MS products are PMs looking for Project or some of the crustier devs/architect types that can't let go of Visio

There is no replacement for Excel.

There are alternatives, but nothing else comes close

That's true. I've never seen any other application that can achieve its level of being misused as a database.

Companies are still using Excel? That's what Pandas is for - and Google Sheets if you really must have a UI front-end...

/ Put your data in a real database, then ETL that shiat before putting it into a table
// Ain't nobody got time for no INDIRECT() and VLOOKUP() nonsense

Have you ever worked for a company that is even tangentially related to accounting or financial services? Or has ever had to email things to people.

I don't need to ask, I can tell you haven't.

I can build your spreadsheet from the data in my database.


Congrats.
 
2021-06-30 1:00:55 PM  
My mom is gone now but what this would really mean:

"Son, I can't find anything. It's all gone. They moved everything."
 
2021-06-30 7:32:12 PM  
I sure hope it has more tiles.
 
2021-06-30 8:44:32 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Leave it to Microsoft to require some obscure piece of silicon during a severe silicon shortage.


Let me give this a resounding 'meh.'   If you're on a machine with UEFI, you don't need TPM hardware as a software implementation can be made available through EUFI if the mainboard manufacturer takes the effort to bother.
 
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