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2021-06-29 3:49:41 PM  
Good!
 
2021-06-29 4:29:48 PM  
This reminds me of some gay coworkers who consistently refused to go on business trips to such states. They also refused to go to Georgia.

Map of California's excluded states:
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2021-06-29 4:46:32 PM  
Yep. Visiting all 50 states had been on my bucket list, but clearly there are a number of states that don't want my tourism money. I'm happy to oblige.
 
2021-06-29 4:47:10 PM  
The Florida and Texas thing seems awfully short-sighted, as their is plenty of citrus disease stuff that those states should be collaborating on, along with USDA.
 
2021-06-29 4:48:28 PM  
This just seems like symbolic posturing to me. Who does this hurt? Does anyone in those states really care?
 
2021-06-29 4:50:41 PM  
The Greenbrier is in WVA. I'm not sure why but I've kind of always wanted to visit that joint.

Anybody been? Is it worth going to WVA?
 
2021-06-29 4:51:44 PM  
How did Missouri dodge this bullet? We suck at LGBT rights. Hell, I think we're on the NAACP's "no fly" list.

Anyway, good for you, California, and for everyone else, the Fourteenth Amendment says, "nor shall any State..deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Any. Person.

There is no reasonable interpretation of that clause which could possibly be understood to mean, "The state may choose to prioritize the rights of religious people over the rights of gay people."

Nope.

Nosiree, bob.
 
2021-06-29 4:52:42 PM  
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2021-06-29 4:53:22 PM  

Surrender your boo-tah: This just seems like symbolic posturing to me. Who does this hurt? Does anyone in those states really care?


I'd imagine it impacts some convention decisions.  Orlando and Miami are likely taking a hit.
 
2021-06-29 4:53:29 PM  

FrancoFile: The Florida and Texas thing seems awfully short-sighted, as their is plenty of citrus disease stuff that those states should be collaborating on, along with USDA.


I mean... which is the standard bearer out of those three states...?
 
2021-06-29 4:53:33 PM  

casual disregard: The Greenbrier is in WVA. I'm not sure why but I've kind of always wanted to visit that joint.

Anybody been? Is it worth going to WVA?


If you want to go to visit WV go to Fayetteville and visit the New River Gorge. So much to do if you like outdoors stuff.  Don't go give jackalope Jim Justice a penny of your money at the Greenbrier.
 
2021-06-29 4:53:50 PM  
That's right. There's no real difference between Montana and Mogadishu. Montana sucks. Tell all your friends.
 
2021-06-29 4:53:57 PM  
As far as safety or agricultural protocols are concerned
 
2021-06-29 4:55:56 PM  

tekmo: How did Missouri dodge this bullet? We suck at LGBT rights. Hell, I think we're on the NAACP's "no fly" list.



Missouri, plus Wyoming and Oklahoma.

I can only surmise that California is reviewing each state's LGBTQ+ laws via their respective websites, but couldn't review MS/WY/OK because the Internet hasn't reached there yet.
 
2021-06-29 4:56:10 PM  
California sent search/rescue to Florida with spatulas for pancakes or something

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/county > state?
//closer states don't have similar assets to send?
 
2021-06-29 4:56:47 PM  

Surrender your boo-tah: This just seems like symbolic posturing to me. Who does this hurt? Does anyone in those states really care?


"Would our state like to collaborate with the fifth largest economy in the world... or would we rather stick it to the homos?"

Yeah. I'd say the bigoted states hurt themselves twice just by that measure.
 
2021-06-29 4:57:46 PM  

nquadroa: casual disregard: The Greenbrier is in WVA. I'm not sure why but I've kind of always wanted to visit that joint.

Anybody been? Is it worth going to WVA?

If you want to go to visit WV go to Fayetteville and visit the New River Gorge. So much to do if you like outdoors stuff.  Don't go give jackalope Jim Justice a penny of your money at the Greenbrier.


Hmm understood and fair point.
 
2021-06-29 4:58:08 PM  

maxandgrinch: California sent search/rescue to Florida with spatulas for pancakes or something

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/county > state?
//closer states don't have similar assets to send?


Even at the state level they mentioned exceptions to the rule.

I assume "disaster/emergency" counts as an exception.
 
2021-06-29 4:59:22 PM  
And I don't want to visit California, so take that Governor Nobody.

And my stance has nothing to do with a bench warrant that may exist for me in California.
 
2021-06-29 5:00:53 PM  
article: 'prevent transgender women and girls from participating in school sports consistent with their gender identity,'

Why are they singling out transgender women & girls for that rule?
 
2021-06-29 5:01:21 PM  

FrancoFile: The Florida and Texas thing seems awfully short-sighted, as their is plenty of citrus disease stuff that those states should be collaborating on, along with USDA.


Well maybe FLorida and Texas should stop discrimination against the LGBTQA+ community. That seems even more short-sighted since bigots are always on the wrong side of history.
 
2021-06-29 5:02:26 PM  

casual disregard: The Greenbrier is in WVA. I'm not sure why but I've kind of always wanted to visit that joint.

Anybody been? Is it worth going to WVA?


It's never worth going to WVA, take a wrong turn and you are lost without gas stations or a cell signal..
 
2021-06-29 5:03:32 PM  

Sock Therapy: That's right. There's no real difference between Montana and Mogadishu. Montana sucks. Tell all your friends.


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"I hear Mogadishu is nice this time of year."
 
2021-06-29 5:04:13 PM  
Anything that reduces the number of Californians invading my state is fine by me.
 
2021-06-29 5:04:32 PM  

Sock Therapy: That's right. There's no real difference between Montana and Mogadishu. Montana sucks. Tell all your friends.


I bet I can spot one big difference..
 
2021-06-29 5:07:47 PM  

nanim: article: 'prevent transgender women and girls from participating in school sports consistent with their gender identity,'

Why are they singling out transgender women & girls for that rule?


Technically it applies to all transgender kids but it violates section IX of the civil rights code, so those should all be struck down as discrimination.
 
2021-06-29 5:08:56 PM  

Sensei Can You See: Anything that reduces the number of Californians invading my state is fine by me.


Yeh they might make improvements.
 
2021-06-29 5:09:33 PM  
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2021-06-29 5:10:23 PM  
I think trans women competing in sports against biological women is a real question that needs to be discussed.

Laurel Hubbard is a trans power lifter who didnt even lift until she transitioned and then, surprise, started kicking ass in the female category. Several female lifters have filed formal complaints.
 
2021-06-29 5:13:21 PM  
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2021-06-29 5:13:39 PM  

casual disregard: The Greenbrier is in WVA. I'm not sure why but I've kind of always wanted to visit that joint.

Anybody been? Is it worth going to WVA?


It's worth going to Greenbrier and then nuking the rest of West Virginia.

Or at least it was until I got bored with Fallout 76.
 
2021-06-29 5:14:31 PM  

punkwrestler: Sensei Can You See: Anything that reduces the number of Californians invading my state is fine by me.

Yeh they might make improvements.


Meh. What they've done so far is making housing prices double. Couple years ago you could buy a 3-bedroom house for about $150k. It's more than $300k now and still rising.
 
2021-06-29 5:14:52 PM  

tekmo: How did Missouri dodge this bullet? We suck at LGBT rights. Hell, I think we're on the NAACP's "no fly" list.

Anyway, good for you, California, and for everyone else, the Fourteenth Amendment says, "nor shall any State..deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Any. Person.

There is no reasonable interpretation of that clause which could possibly be understood to mean, "The state may choose to prioritize the rights of religious people over the rights of gay people."

Nope.

Nosiree, bob.


Which laws? There is a clearly deleaniated line between states laws and federal laws. And states do have the right to create and enforce laws that conform to the local mores. That's exactly why we are the "United States" states being the operative word. I understand progressives need to centralize and then subvert that authority to impose their ideas. But that is one of the things that the structure of our goverment, as dictated by the constitution is ment to thwart. So If Missouri doesn't  want to recognize things the LBGTQ community puts forth, it's their constitutional right, as dictated through democratic elections.
 
2021-06-29 5:16:12 PM  

Sensei Can You See: Anything that reduces the number of Californians invading my state is fine by me.


Austin is basically unlivable now.

That town was not meant to hold 2.5 million people.

I grew up there and never go back unless I have to.
 
2021-06-29 5:17:10 PM  

Surrender your boo-tah: This just seems like symbolic posturing to me. Who does this hurt? Does anyone in those states really care?


When public sector travel is banned between state governments, especially states which have been funded by the perennial imbalance between California's consistently massively outsized contributions to federal funding programs (a system which these states SHOULD be calling socialism, because that is precisely what it is), those states will eventually begin to understand that they shouldn't bite the hand that feeds them. No travel, no spending, less accord, less ways in which they can form state-level partnerships which benefit them. All these are things they have been taking for granted for generations. Only intelligent people in those states would care. But hey, look at the map that was posted upthread. What do you expect from sniveling post-fascist redneck treason actors? We're only missing a few more red states, and I reckon they'll show up pretty soon. F*ck those fascists, let 'em burn.
 
2021-06-29 5:18:34 PM  

punkwrestler: nanim: article: 'prevent transgender women and girls from participating in school sports consistent with their gender identity,'

Why are they singling out transgender women & girls for that rule?

Technically it applies to all transgender kids but it violates section IX of the civil rights code, so those should all be struck down as discrimination.


This is all just a slippery slope to slam dunking in the WNBA at the cost of fundamentals.
 
2021-06-29 5:20:06 PM  

dothemath: I think trans women competing in sports against biological women is a real question that needs to be discussed.

Laurel Hubbard is a trans power lifter who didnt even lift until she transitioned and then, surprise, started kicking ass in the female category. Several female lifters have filed formal complaints.


She actually did lift before her transition - "Before her transition, Hubbard competed in men's events, setting national records in junior competition, according to The Associated Press."

I have no question about her gender identity, but she probably wouldn't be 6'1"/290 lbs had she been born a woman. This is one case where I'm legitimately torn about what the correct answer should be.
 
2021-06-29 5:20:32 PM  

Sensei Can You See: punkwrestler: Sensei Can You See: Anything that reduces the number of Californians invading my state is fine by me.

Yeh they might make improvements.

Meh. What they've done so far is making housing prices double. Couple years ago you could buy a 3-bedroom house for about $150k. It's more than $300k now and still rising.


As usual, things that people explain in one sentence usually need a lot more than that.

1. Prices in California vary ten fold or more from one city to another.  Bakersfield is a bit different from Beverly Hills.

2. At the bottom of the market, in 2009 (a few more than "a couple years ago") prices overall were almost reasonable for a nanosecond.  But they were much higher a couple years prior to that and now have surpassed their 2007ish highs.

/bought a house (in Riverside) for $150k in 2009 that the previous owner paid $400k for in 2005; it's now worth at least $400k again, probably more
 
2021-06-29 5:21:45 PM  

Geotpf: Sensei Can You See: punkwrestler: Sensei Can You See: Anything that reduces the number of Californians invading my state is fine by me.

Yeh they might make improvements.

Meh. What they've done so far is making housing prices double. Couple years ago you could buy a 3-bedroom house for about $150k. It's more than $300k now and still rising.

As usual, things that people explain in one sentence usually need a lot more than that.

1. Prices in California vary ten fold or more from one city to another.  Bakersfield is a bit different from Beverly Hills.

2. At the bottom of the market, in 2009 (a few more than "a couple years ago") prices overall were almost reasonable for a nanosecond.  But they were much higher a couple years prior to that and now have surpassed their 2007ish highs.

/bought a house (in Riverside) for $150k in 2009 that the previous owner paid $400k for in 2005; it's now worth at least $400k again, probably more


/maybe I misunderstood-maybe you were saying in YOUR state incoming Californians made prices double
//whatever
 
2021-06-29 5:22:55 PM  

dothemath: I think trans women competing in sports against biological women is a real question that needs to be discussed.

Laurel Hubbard is a trans power lifter who didnt even lift until she transitioned and then, surprise, started kicking ass in the female category. Several female lifters have filed formal complaints.


But these people are also against letting teenagers get puberty blockers to stop things from happening until they have been through therapy, hell they are even against therapy which would affirm their decisions and they are also against letting teenagers take estrogen or testosterone if they still want to go ahead and start the change. By doing as teenagers before the body changes their development would be more natural.

So no they can't have it both ways, and since science has already shown after three years of treatments the adult bodies change there should be no problem.

Also you are talking about 1 transgender person out of how many cis Olympic athletes? Doesn't really seem like a problem that needs to be addressed.
 
2021-06-29 5:23:56 PM  

The Martian Manhandler: dothemath: I think trans women competing in sports against biological women is a real question that needs to be discussed.

Laurel Hubbard is a trans power lifter who didnt even lift until she transitioned and then, surprise, started kicking ass in the female category. Several female lifters have filed formal complaints.

She actually did lift before her transition - "Before her transition, Hubbard competed in men's events, setting national records in junior competition, according to The Associated Press."

I have no question about her gender identity, but she probably wouldn't be 6'1"/290 lbs had she been born a woman. This is one case where I'm legitimately torn about what the correct answer should be.


Yeah, me too. I mean, what if she wanted to box against women? How would that be a fair fight?
 
2021-06-29 5:24:09 PM  

Fara Clark: tekmo: How did Missouri dodge this bullet? We suck at LGBT rights. Hell, I think we're on the NAACP's "no fly" list.

Anyway, good for you, California, and for everyone else, the Fourteenth Amendment says, "nor shall any State..deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Any. Person.

There is no reasonable interpretation of that clause which could possibly be understood to mean, "The state may choose to prioritize the rights of religious people over the rights of gay people."

Nope.

Nosiree, bob.

Which laws? There is a clearly deleaniated line between states laws and federal laws. And states do have the right to create and enforce laws that conform to the local mores. That's exactly why we are the "United States" states being the operative word. I understand progressives need to centralize and then subvert that authority to impose their ideas. But that is one of the things that the structure of our goverment, as dictated by the constitution is ment to thwart. So If Missouri doesn't  want to recognize things the LBGTQ community puts forth, it's their constitutional right, as dictated through democratic elections.


This doesn't even rise to the level of being wrong.
 
2021-06-29 5:24:39 PM  

Sensei Can You See: Anything that reduces the number of Californians invading my state is fine by me.


Me too.  Too bad it's only for state sponsored travel, they should include all travel.

Stay home Californians, and don't even think about moving.
 
2021-06-29 5:25:02 PM  

Sensei Can You See: punkwrestler: Sensei Can You See: Anything that reduces the number of Californians invading my state is fine by me.

Yeh they might make improvements.

Meh. What they've done so far is making housing prices double. Couple years ago you could buy a 3-bedroom house for about $150k. It's more than $300k now and still rising.


So they are raising the property values, the education level and the quality of life...OH no!
 
2021-06-29 5:26:25 PM  

punkwrestler: Sensei Can You See: punkwrestler: Sensei Can You See: Anything that reduces the number of Californians invading my state is fine by me.

Yeh they might make improvements.

Meh. What they've done so far is making housing prices double. Couple years ago you could buy a 3-bedroom house for about $150k. It's more than $300k now and still rising.

So they are raising the property values, the education level and the quality of life...OH no!



That's great if they're also raising the average income for the locals who are now getting priced out of nice houses.
 
2021-06-29 5:27:07 PM  

Fara Clark: tekmo: How did Missouri dodge this bullet? We suck at LGBT rights. Hell, I think we're on the NAACP's "no fly" list.

Anyway, good for you, California, and for everyone else, the Fourteenth Amendment says, "nor shall any State..deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Any. Person.

There is no reasonable interpretation of that clause which could possibly be understood to mean, "The state may choose to prioritize the rights of religious people over the rights of gay people."

Nope.

Nosiree, bob.

Which laws? There is a clearly deleaniated line between states laws and federal laws. And states do have the right to create and enforce laws that conform to the local mores. That's exactly why we are the "United States" states being the operative word. I understand progressives need to centralize and then subvert that authority to impose their ideas. But that is one of the things that the structure of our goverment, as dictated by the constitution is ment to thwart. So If Missouri doesn't  want to recognize things the LBGTQ community puts forth, it's their constitutional right, as dictated through democratic elections.


But at the same time Mississippi making laws that restrict the rights of gay people goes against the 14th amendment. Are you really trying to defend bigotry? Aren't you late for your cross burning?
 
2021-06-29 5:27:57 PM  

dothemath: Sensei Can You See: Anything that reduces the number of Californians invading my state is fine by me.

Austin is basically unlivable now.

That town was not meant to hold 2.5 million people.

I grew up there and never go back unless I have to.


And yet Austin is one of the few places in TX that actually is liveable.
 
2021-06-29 5:28:04 PM  
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2021-06-29 5:28:15 PM  

punkwrestler: So no they can't have it both ways, and since science has already shown after three years of treatments the adult bodies change there should be no problem.


Its also been proven that people who transition after male puberty retain a significant strength advantage.
 
2021-06-29 5:28:41 PM  

punkwrestler: dothemath: Sensei Can You See: Anything that reduces the number of Californians invading my state is fine by me.

Austin is basically unlivable now.

That town was not meant to hold 2.5 million people.

I grew up there and never go back unless I have to.

And yet Austin is one of the few places in TX that actually is liveable.


You have not spent much time in Texas, huh?
 
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