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2021-06-29 9:47:42 PM  
my High School diploma was 12x18" maybe larger on heavy paper

not that I went to graduation

prom was fun though
 
2021-06-29 9:49:26 PM  
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2021-06-29 9:51:15 PM  
Just got mine in the mail yesterday after renewing online and, yeah ... they feel thinner/flimsier and are a lighter shade than the old one.
Luckily (or not?) I look my age, and definitely look old enough so I'm rarely seriously carded.
 
2021-06-29 9:58:57 PM  
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2021-06-29 9:59:24 PM  
Does the state not release information about new IDs? I feel like it's a business' obligation to stay apprised of these changes. The bars here scan your ID to verify they're real, which seems the obvious solution.
 
2021-06-29 10:00:10 PM  
And don't get me started on how folding money keeps changng color.
 
2021-06-29 10:00:46 PM  
I lived in Nevada for awhile, but then moved backed to Boston. I still had my Nevada license upon return. One time I went into a bar, and got carded. When I showed my out of state license, the bartender thought he would test me by asking, "What is the capital of Nevada?" WTF?  I was showing him a license for a beer, not applying for citizenship. I was some 20-something year old, returning to Boston, broke as can be. Sorry if I was trying to drown my sorrows instead of studying history of the U.S.
 
2021-06-29 10:01:28 PM  
can somebody explain to me the point of creating a brand new, real state driver's license that will NOT work "for REAL ID" law purposes?
 
2021-06-29 10:01:59 PM  
Over the next 50 years, personal driving rates are predicted to collapse in most Western countries, as Uber-equivalents, likely autonomous on-call travel takes over. You'll have a Netflix account for car summoning.

Drivers licenses as the core form of ID was always ridiculous. Passports should come with with a wallet card version.
 
2021-06-29 10:03:34 PM  

Bungles: Over the next 50 years, personal driving rates are predicted to collapse in most Western countries, as Uber-equivalents, likely autonomous on-call travel takes over. You'll have a Netflix account for car summoning.

Drivers licenses as the core form of ID was always ridiculous. Passports should come with with a wallet card version.


It's absurd that we're not automatically provided sufficient IDs by the federal government, free of charge.
 
2021-06-29 10:04:40 PM  
Heh, my daughter is about to turn 21 in September. Resident in NJ, but attending college out of state where people won't be as familiar with NJ licenses.

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2021-06-29 10:04:50 PM  
Some drivers said the new license has been rejected when they used it for proof of being of legal drinking age at bars.

Uhh, usually those people are very up to date on current IDs.  So, WTF?!
 
2021-06-29 10:05:07 PM  

austerity101: Bungles: Over the next 50 years, personal driving rates are predicted to collapse in most Western countries, as Uber-equivalents, likely autonomous on-call travel takes over. You'll have a Netflix account for car summoning.

Drivers licenses as the core form of ID was always ridiculous. Passports should come with with a wallet card version.

It's absurd that we're not automatically provided sufficient IDs by the federal government, free of charge.


Yup. You need ID to access most services in most Western countries. Therefore such IDs must be free.
 
2021-06-29 10:07:17 PM  

Bungles: Over the next 50 years, personal driving rates are predicted to collapse in most Western countries, as Uber-equivalents, likely autonomous on-call travel takes over. You'll have a Netflix account for car summoning.

Drivers licenses as the core form of ID was always ridiculous. Passports should come with with a wallet card version.


They do, I have one, got it when I applied for my passport three years ago.
 
2021-06-29 10:07:29 PM  

Bungles: Over the next 50 years, personal driving rates are predicted to collapse in most Western countries, as Uber-equivalents, likely autonomous on-call travel takes over. You'll have a Netflix account for car summoning.

Drivers licenses as the core form of ID was always ridiculous. Passports should come with with a wallet card version.


They do
 
2021-06-29 10:08:12 PM  

jscart: Bungles: Over the next 50 years, personal driving rates are predicted to collapse in most Western countries, as Uber-equivalents, likely autonomous on-call travel takes over. You'll have a Netflix account for car summoning.

Drivers licenses as the core form of ID was always ridiculous. Passports should come with with a wallet card version.

They do, I have one, got it when I applied for my passport three years ago.


I'm not American, and I'm glad if that's now a thing in the US. It's not in most places.
 
2021-06-29 10:08:53 PM  
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2021-06-29 10:10:15 PM  
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2021-06-29 10:11:28 PM  

Go'zirra: Just got mine in the mail yesterday after renewing online and, yeah ... they feel thinner/flimsier and are a lighter shade than the old one.
Luckily (or not?) I look my age, and definitely look old enough so I'm rarely seriously carded.


personally I always thought it'd be amusing to get a fake ID for senior discounts in my 30s or 40s...
 
2021-06-29 10:11:39 PM  

skinink: I lived in Nevada for awhile, but then moved backed to Boston. I still had my Nevada license upon return. One time I went into a bar, and got carded. When I showed my out of state license, the bartender thought he would test me by asking, "What is the capital of Nevada?" WTF?  I was showing him a license for a beer, not applying for citizenship. I was some 20-something year old, returning to Boston, broke as can be. Sorry if I was trying to drown my sorrows instead of studying history of the U.S.


I could have answered that question when I was in 9th grade.  But I didn't need to because the drinking age was 18, enforcement was almost nonexistent, and I was tall.

///have no idea on the capital of nevada now
 
2021-06-29 10:11:46 PM  

Bungles: Over the next 50 years, personal driving rates are predicted to collapse in most Western countries, as Uber-equivalents, likely autonomous on-call travel takes over. You'll have a Netflix account for car summoning.

Drivers licenses as the core form of ID was always ridiculous. Passports should come with with a wallet card version.


They do, but they cost almost as much as a full passport (and provide the ability to travel outside the US). I do agree that we need free (to the issuee) national photo ID, but it'll never happen as long as Republicans are using "voter ID" as their excuse to suppress voters (if you can get a photo ID without jumping through the extra hoops red states want to put people through, it'd ruin their whole game).
 
2021-06-29 10:12:36 PM  
NJ used to have paper licenses that were laminated, long after other states had the printed cards.  BOY did I get sh*t from people out of state about my license.

Then I moved to DC and apparently there are certain people who think "District of ColUmbia" is a foreign land (probably confusing it with ColOmbia).  But oh my god it's the farking capital!

Anyway, my point is that NJ is no stranger to sketchy licenses, and neither am I.
 
2021-06-29 10:14:54 PM  

luna1580: can somebody explain to me the point of creating a brand new, real state driver's license that will NOT work "for REAL ID" law purposes?


The federal "real ID" standard requires states to collect and validate and provide to the feds additional information to certify identity. A really stupid post-911 DHS thing that has been so problematic that it's been delayed 20 years. New Jersey is taking a dumb middle ground approach. They are issuing "real ID" compliant cards for those who provide the additional info, but it also seems they're issuing/re-issuing cards to people who don't provide that extra info, and those cards are marked "not for REAL-ID purposes". Still, anyone whose job involves checking ID's who doesn't know about this should be fired.
 
2021-06-29 10:16:07 PM  
In college I had a Korean-American friend tell me proudly that any East Asian could use any other East Asian's ID.  And it worked for him; he regularly got through doors with the ID of a Chinese guy who looked nothing like him.
 
2021-06-29 10:16:27 PM  

Bungles: Over the next 50 years, personal driving rates are predicted to collapse in most Western countries, as Uber-equivalents, likely autonomous on-call travel takes over. You'll have a Netflix account for car summoning.

Drivers licenses as the core form of ID was always ridiculous. Passports should come with with a wallet card version.


Before drivers licenses, there were no government IDs held by most people.  Some people opposed mandatory licensing of drivers because they were afraid they would become a de facto government issued ID such as those required by authoritarian countries.  Which has turned out to be true.
 
2021-06-29 10:17:00 PM  
I still see this idiocy stuck on cars.

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2021-06-29 10:19:05 PM  

Bungles: Over the next 50 years, personal driving rates are predicted to collapse in most Western countries, as Uber-equivalents, likely autonomous on-call travel takes over. You'll have a Netflix account for car summoning.

Drivers licenses as the core form of ID was always ridiculous. Passports should come with with a wallet card version.


Can you give a non-authoritarian reason why people should be required to carry any ID at all?

I'm not talking about proving who you are for financial transactions, I mean just walking down the street.
 
2021-06-29 10:19:31 PM  

Ragin' Asian: I still see this idiocy stuck on cars.

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uhmmmm, 20 years later? most people are on their second (or 10th) new car since 9/11? remind me where you live again, so i can not visit it............
 
2021-06-29 10:28:47 PM  
Literally got denied alcohol at a restaurant in NYC because the new NJ driver's licenses "feel absolutely fake" AND some idiot at the MVC decided to print "Not for REAL ID purposes" across the front as if everyone has a Masters degree on what the REAL ID ACT is.

That.is.awesome.
 
2021-06-29 10:30:58 PM  

luna1580: Ragin' Asian: I still see this idiocy stuck on cars.

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uhmmmm, 20 years later? most people are on their second (or 10th) new car since 9/11? remind me where you live again, so i can not visit it............


Yes, still.  It's a northeast thing.

You're in Florida?  Not sure you should be giving anyone sh*t, especially someone who was bagging on racist assholes.
 
2021-06-29 10:31:47 PM  

skinink: I lived in Nevada for awhile, but then moved backed to Boston. I still had my Nevada license upon return. One time I went into a bar, and got carded. When I showed my out of state license, the bartender thought he would test me by asking, "What is the capital of Nevada?" WTF?  I was showing him a license for a beer, not applying for citizenship. I was some 20-something year old, returning to Boston, broke as can be. Sorry if I was trying to drown my sorrows instead of studying history of the U.S.


You said Las Vegas and they laughed at you, didn't ya?
 
2021-06-29 10:33:44 PM  

Bungles: austerity101: Bungles: Over the next 50 years, personal driving rates are predicted to collapse in most Western countries, as Uber-equivalents, likely autonomous on-call travel takes over. You'll have a Netflix account for car summoning.

Drivers licenses as the core form of ID was always ridiculous. Passports should come with with a wallet card version.

It's absurd that we're not automatically provided sufficient IDs by the federal government, free of charge.

Yup. You need ID to access most services in most Western countries. Therefore such IDs must be free.


And the documents to prove that you are you need to be free as well. Birth certificates and SS cards are usually required, so they need to be free too.
 
2021-06-29 10:34:30 PM  

austerity101: Bungles: Over the next 50 years, personal driving rates are predicted to collapse in most Western countries, as Uber-equivalents, likely autonomous on-call travel takes over. You'll have a Netflix account for car summoning.

Drivers licenses as the core form of ID was always ridiculous. Passports should come with with a wallet card version.


It's absurd that we're not automatically provided sufficient IDs everything by the federal government, free of charge.

FTF your type
 
2021-06-29 10:35:22 PM  

neapoi: skinink: I lived in Nevada for awhile, but then moved backed to Boston. I still had my Nevada license upon return. One time I went into a bar, and got carded. When I showed my out of state license, the bartender thought he would test me by asking, "What is the capital of Nevada?" WTF?  I was showing him a license for a beer, not applying for citizenship. I was some 20-something year old, returning to Boston, broke as can be. Sorry if I was trying to drown my sorrows instead of studying history of the U.S.

You said Las Vegas and they laughed at you, didn't ya?


Honestly, I remember that whatever I said got me a beer. I could have said Henderson, and probably still got served.
 
2021-06-29 10:37:38 PM  

luna1580: can somebody explain to me the point of creating a brand new, real state driver's license that will NOT work "for REAL ID" law purposes?


It forces everybody to pay extra fees and do an extra in-person trip to the DMV to get a "compliant" ID card, or else they won't be allowed to use their driver's license as ID at an airport or federal building starting... well, one day, maybe, but every time the deadline comes up it gets pushed back again because it's a ton of hassle and would just result in people being angrier than usual at airports. There is no upside I'm aware of, because all the supposed "security" they add is just theatrics, like everything else the TSA ever gets its hands on.

(my home state puts "FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY" on it rather than "NOT FOR REAL ID PURPOSES", though, which seems like a decent-enough compromise -- though if someone whose job is to spot fake IDs hasn't yet learned what the REAL ID nonsense is about, they're probably also the sort who'd reject a driver's license from New Mexico for being "not from the US")
 
2021-06-29 10:37:42 PM  

Senseless_drivel: Literally got denied alcohol at a restaurant in NYC because the new NJ driver's licenses "feel absolutely fake" AND some idiot at the MVC decided to print "Not for REAL ID purposes" across the front as if everyone has a Masters degree on what the REAL ID ACT is.

That.is.awesome.


I mean, yes, but this person should have just provided the very basic REAL ID requirements.  I don't have bills in my name or anything but I was still able to provide enough for REAL ID.

NJ could also not trip people up like that.  Writing that nonsense on it just hurts people.  Not every bartender is gonna know wtf that means until a few years from now when REAL ID is better understood.  Ugh.  Asshats.

REAL ID itself seems odd too.  Creating two categories of licenses, one you can use to board a plane and one you can't, seems daft.  So I mean, this person REALLY should have figured out how to get REAL ID, because trouble at the bar will be the least of her problems.
 
2021-06-29 10:38:25 PM  

ViolentEastCoastCity: luna1580: Ragin' Asian: I still see this idiocy stuck on cars.

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uhmmmm, 20 years later? most people are on their second (or 10th) new car since 9/11? remind me where you live again, so i can not visit it............

Yes, still.  It's a northeast thing.

You're in Florida?  Not sure you should be giving anyone sh*t, especially someone who was bagging on racist assholes.


i wasn't giving anyone shiat. i was literally saying i would rather not visit a part of the country where people have been purchasing that sticker and faithfully applying it to every damn new car the bought for the past 20 entire years!

because i already DO live in florida, in a very pro-trump county. so i'd rather not vacation amongst violent racists when i do leave here for a bit....
 
2021-06-29 10:41:10 PM  

ubernostrum: luna1580: can somebody explain to me the point of creating a brand new, real state driver's license that will NOT work "for REAL ID" law purposes?

It forces everybody to pay extra fees and do an extra in-person trip to the DMV to get a "compliant" ID card, or else they won't be allowed to use their driver's license as ID at an airport or federal building starting... well, one day, maybe, but every time the deadline comes up it gets pushed back again because it's a ton of hassle and would just result in people being angrier than usual at airports. There is no upside I'm aware of, because all the supposed "security" they add is just theatrics, like everything else the TSA ever gets its hands on.

(my home state puts "FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY" on it rather than "NOT FOR REAL ID PURPOSES", though, which seems like a decent-enough compromise -- though if someone whose job is to spot fake IDs hasn't yet learned what the REAL ID nonsense is about, they're probably also the sort who'd reject a driver's license from New Mexico for being "not from the US")


Or they could just not put anything on it.  If you're working at a place that requires REAL ID, you should be looking for positive proof, like something that is identified as REAL ID.  Printing NOTREALID on the license seems like help for lazy ID checkers and let's not encourage that, especially when it screws everyone else over.

My comment upthread mentions people not understanding ID from DC.  Too many stupid folks in this country.
 
2021-06-29 10:41:15 PM  

Super Chronic: In college I had a Korean-American friend tell me proudly that any East Asian could use any other East Asian's ID.  And it worked for him; he regularly got through doors with the ID of a Chinese guy who looked nothing like him.


Hey, might as well use people's racism against you to your advantage.
 
2021-06-29 10:41:46 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Bungles: Over the next 50 years, personal driving rates are predicted to collapse in most Western countries, as Uber-equivalents, likely autonomous on-call travel takes over. You'll have a Netflix account for car summoning.

Drivers licenses as the core form of ID was always ridiculous. Passports should come with with a wallet card version.

Can you give a non-authoritarian reason why people should be required to carry any ID at all?

I'm not talking about proving who you are for financial transactions, I mean just walking down the street.



Buying a drink in a bar?

I'm a non-driver. I've been through 8 passports as a consequence, because they are not designed for daily carry.
 
2021-06-29 10:43:56 PM  

Bungles: Raoul Eaton: Bungles: Over the next 50 years, personal driving rates are predicted to collapse in most Western countries, as Uber-equivalents, likely autonomous on-call travel takes over. You'll have a Netflix account for car summoning.

Drivers licenses as the core form of ID was always ridiculous. Passports should come with with a wallet card version.

Can you give a non-authoritarian reason why people should be required to carry any ID at all?

I'm not talking about proving who you are for financial transactions, I mean just walking down the street.


Buying a drink in a bar?

I'm a non-driver. I've been through 8 passports as a consequence, because they are not designed for daily carry.



And that's not "required", it's providing an easy option when needed, through choice.

You're the one who has lurched to "required carry", which was not the discussion at all.
 
2021-06-29 10:44:09 PM  

luna1580: ViolentEastCoastCity: luna1580: Ragin' Asian: I still see this idiocy stuck on cars.

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uhmmmm, 20 years later? most people are on their second (or 10th) new car since 9/11? remind me where you live again, so i can not visit it............

Yes, still.  It's a northeast thing.

You're in Florida?  Not sure you should be giving anyone sh*t, especially someone who was bagging on racist assholes.

i wasn't giving anyone shiat. i was literally saying i would rather not visit a part of the country where people have been purchasing that sticker and faithfully applying it to every damn new car the bought for the past 20 entire years!

because i already DO live in florida, in a very pro-trump county. so i'd rather not vacation amongst violent racists when i do leave here for a bit....


It's something that I used to see in NJ all the time.  It's probably still a thing, but I don't live there anymore.  NJ is a blue state with far less racism than most other places I've been in this country, so don't worry, you'd be just fine.

"Tell me where you live so I can not visit it" isn't a real nice thing to say to someone who isn't doing or saying anything sh*tty, kinda regardless of the context.
 
2021-06-29 10:44:11 PM  

Bungles: Raoul Eaton: Bungles: Over the next 50 years, personal driving rates are predicted to collapse in most Western countries, as Uber-equivalents, likely autonomous on-call travel takes over. You'll have a Netflix account for car summoning.

Drivers licenses as the core form of ID was always ridiculous. Passports should come with with a wallet card version.

Can you give a non-authoritarian reason why people should be required to carry any ID at all?

I'm not talking about proving who you are for financial transactions, I mean just walking down the street.


Buying a drink in a bar?

I'm a non-driver. I've been through 8 passports as a consequence, because they are not designed for daily carry.


why did you never get a "state ID" the "drivers license" for non-drivers?
 
2021-06-29 10:46:43 PM  

luna1580: Bungles: Raoul Eaton: Bungles: Over the next 50 years, personal driving rates are predicted to collapse in most Western countries, as Uber-equivalents, likely autonomous on-call travel takes over. You'll have a Netflix account for car summoning.

Drivers licenses as the core form of ID was always ridiculous. Passports should come with with a wallet card version.

Can you give a non-authoritarian reason why people should be required to carry any ID at all?

I'm not talking about proving who you are for financial transactions, I mean just walking down the street.


Buying a drink in a bar?

I'm a non-driver. I've been through 8 passports as a consequence, because they are not designed for daily carry.

why did you never get a "state ID" the "drivers license" for non-drivers?


I'm sure they have their own reasons, which may or may not be related to this, but I can tell you that most people don't understand a non-DL ID card.  I've know people who had them and, outside NYC, it's not something people see every day.  Good luck buying booze with it.
 
2021-06-29 10:47:58 PM  
I had to deal with the DMV on person last week and decided to get my Real ID while I was there. It required a birth cert and two other forms of ID like current bills.

This is in CA. I just talked to my daughter in UT and it was pretty much automatic there. Out here we have to go to the DMV. The bonus is I was due for a new license next year and was able to renew it at the same time. I could have gotten a separate ID but opted to add it to my license.

AFAIK they don't put "not a Real ID" on any of ours. It just doesn't the bear with Real ID embossed over it.

Oh, ours are like credit card size and plastic and have been for years. I don't see why anyone would want to change it for an ID that is good for five to ten years. They don't wear out.
 
2021-06-29 10:49:18 PM  
im almost 50 nd got carded at SPAC last weekend (every time up)

It was awesome and hilarious. Im sure younger me would have been annoyed, but i leaned in t it hard and we all had some laughs
 
2021-06-29 10:49:20 PM  

ViolentEastCoastCity: luna1580: ViolentEastCoastCity: luna1580: Ragin' Asian: I still see this idiocy stuck on cars.

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uhmmmm, 20 years later? most people are on their second (or 10th) new car since 9/11? remind me where you live again, so i can not visit it............

Yes, still.  It's a northeast thing.

You're in Florida?  Not sure you should be giving anyone sh*t, especially someone who was bagging on racist assholes.

i wasn't giving anyone shiat. i was literally saying i would rather not visit a part of the country where people have been purchasing that sticker and faithfully applying it to every damn new car the bought for the past 20 entire years!

because i already DO live in florida, in a very pro-trump county. so i'd rather not vacation amongst violent racists when i do leave here for a bit....

It's something that I used to see in NJ all the time.  It's probably still a thing, but I don't live there anymore.  NJ is a blue state with far less racism than most other places I've been in this country, so don't worry, you'd be just fine.

"Tell me where you live so I can not visit it" isn't a real nice thing to say to someone who isn't doing or saying anything sh*tty, kinda regardless of the context.


no. the context is EXTREMELY important here. i wasn't saying "yo ragin' asian i NEVER want to chill with you and grab a local beer!" i was saying "anybody who has been buying that sticker over and over and putting it on various cars over a 2 decade period is scary and i don't want to hang out in their neighborhood."

you will recognize those sentences as being DIFFERENT things and it's weird for you to act sensitive about it.

YOU don't have one of those stickers do you? and no offense, if every single other car on your block DOES have one i'm skipping your block party.....
 
2021-06-29 10:51:09 PM  

luna1580: Ragin' Asian: I still see this idiocy stuck on cars.

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uhmmmm, 20 years later? most people are on their second (or 10th) new car since 9/11? remind me where you live again, so i can not visit it............


I have a few rental properties. I usually see the stickers on beater trucks belonging to contractors.
 
2021-06-29 10:51:19 PM  

skinink: I lived in Nevada for awhile, but then moved backed to Boston. I still had my Nevada license upon return. One time I went into a bar, and got carded. When I showed my out of state license, the bartender thought he would test me by asking, "What is the capital of Nevada?" WTF?  I was showing him a license for a beer, not applying for citizenship. I was some 20-something year old, returning to Boston, broke as can be. Sorry if I was trying to drown my sorrows instead of studying history of the U.S.


You probably could have said Elko. I doubt he knew all the capitols of every state.

/Elko is not the capitol
//I think it is Carson City
///lives in CA
 
2021-06-29 10:55:51 PM  

ViolentEastCoastCity: luna1580: Bungles: Raoul Eaton: Bungles: Over the next 50 years, personal driving rates are predicted to collapse in most Western countries, as Uber-equivalents, likely autonomous on-call travel takes over. You'll have a Netflix account for car summoning.

Drivers licenses as the core form of ID was always ridiculous. Passports should come with with a wallet card version.

Can you give a non-authoritarian reason why people should be required to carry any ID at all?

I'm not talking about proving who you are for financial transactions, I mean just walking down the street.


Buying a drink in a bar?

I'm a non-driver. I've been through 8 passports as a consequence, because they are not designed for daily carry.

why did you never get a "state ID" the "drivers license" for non-drivers?

I'm sure they have their own reasons, which may or may not be related to this, but I can tell you that most people don't understand a non-DL ID card.  I've know people who had them and, outside NYC, it's not something people see every day.  Good luck buying booze with it.



My own reasons are not being American, ha.

This isn't just an American problem - the whole Western world is built around driving licences or passports for "proper" ID.

And passports aren't built for daily carry, and driver's licenses are going to become rarer and rarer over the decades to come. The whole system has to change. A handful of EU countries have ID cards. It's not some sinister authoritarian nonsense, it's a practical approach to the real world.
 
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