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(KSL Salt Lake City)   Dragon Man, found in Harbin, China, latest entry into family of early humans. "We found our long-lost sister lineage"   (ksl.com) divider line
    More: Interesting, Human, Human evolution, new fossil finds, human family tree, Homo sapiens, dragon man, Harbin skull, Chinese city of Harbin  
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2021-06-27 8:14:56 PM  
Denisovians?

/Dragon sounds cool but he probably didn't have a breath weapon.
 
2021-06-27 8:24:09 PM  
Did they collect all seven of his balls yet?
 
2021-06-27 9:35:09 PM  
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2021-06-27 9:37:04 PM  
"If it isn't Han, it's crap."

Something may have been lost in the sub-titles.
 
2021-06-27 9:57:57 PM  
So they found a skull from a prehistoric hominid who had gigantism. And that makes a new lineage?

Those Chinese anthropologists have amazing PR flacks.
 
2021-06-27 10:08:34 PM  
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What's "Burninator" in chinese characters?
 
2021-06-27 10:34:30 PM  
Dovahkiin!
 
2021-06-27 11:52:36 PM  
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2021-06-28 2:30:54 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: So they found a skull from a prehistoric hominid who had gigantism. And that makes a new lineage?

Those Chinese anthropologists have amazing PR flacks.


And why not, it worked with Cro-Magnons
 
2021-06-28 2:41:32 AM  
Even if it's sudden Gigantism

" To work out where the Harbin individual fitted into human history, the scientists fed measurements from the fossil and 95 other skulls into software that compiled the most likely family tree. To their surprise, the Harbin skull and a handful of others from China formed a new branch closer to modern humans than Neanderthals "
 
2021-06-28 3:00:19 AM  
Trogdor!
Trogdor!
Trogdor was a man
I mean, he was a dragon man
Or maybe he was just a dragon
But he was still Trogdor!
Trogdor!
Burninating the countryside
Burninating the peasants
Burninating all the peoples
And their thatched-roof cottages!
Thatched-roof cottages!
Woah, this has a wicked dueling solo
It's like squeedly versus meedley over here
Go squeedly!
Go squeedly!
Squeedly wins!
When all the land is in ruins
And burnination has forsaken the countryside
Only one guy will remain
My money's on Trogdor!
Trogdor!
And the Trogdor comes in the night
 
2021-06-28 3:05:40 AM  
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2021-06-28 3:08:44 AM  
https://twitter.com/johnhawks/status/​1​408447011100233734

"The boring reason why we can't use the Homo longi name is technical. The research puts the Harbin skull together with the Dali skull, and Xinzhi Wu gave that the name Homo sapiens daliensis more than 40 years ago. So IF there's a species, it has to be H. daliensis."

"In case you wonder how close Harbin looks to Dali, here is Harbin on the left and Dali (which has some crushing to the maxilla) on the right. As Weidenreich might have said, they resemble each other as closely as one egg resembles another.
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2021-06-28 3:11:57 AM  
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2021-06-28 3:13:06 AM  

LewDux: https://twitter.com/johnhawks/status​/1​408447011100233734


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/14​0​8447011100233734.html
 
2021-06-28 5:48:06 AM  

LewDux: LewDux: https://twitter.com/johnhawks/status/1​408447011100233734

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/140​8447011100233734.html


no homo longi?
 
2021-06-28 10:09:02 AM  
Triangle man hates Dragon man
They have a fight
Triangle wins
Triangle man
 
2021-06-28 12:13:07 PM  
*dragon lineage
 
2021-06-28 12:39:43 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: So they found a skull from a prehistoric hominid who had gigantism. And that makes a new lineage?

Those Chinese anthropologists have amazing PR flacks.


Basic concept in paleoanthropology: stuff is rarely preserved, so pathological individuals, who would by definition be rare, aren't your go-to explanation for stuff like this. The rarity of preservation means you are almost certainly finding remains of someone within the normal range of variation within their population.

Or, the odds of someone with gigantism being preserved and recovered are far, far smaller than the odds of this being a typical member if a different population.

The demarcation between species in the fossil record is a matter of contention. In my department, they were "lumpers" considering Neanderthals to be Homo sapiens neandertalis rather than Homo neandertalis. They largely felt that there was Homo erectus, Homo habilis, and possibly one other species, and then homo sapiens, with everyone else most likely subspecies of one of those four groups. But some publications would list a dozen different Homo species, which was the opposite end of the spectrum than my department. They were "splitters." My mentor was pretty open about it being a matter of opinion and philosophy rather than strictly science. You have to draw lines somewhere. Consider finding the remains of a chihuahua and then a Labrador. Based purely on skeletal material, would you consider them to be the same species?

There was also the feeling that biologically we are not the only species in our genus, that based on genetics the genus Pan should be folded into Homo. But the basic concept of the "Tree of Life" was to measure the distance between humans and other living organisms, an approach requiring us to be the only living member of our genus. This predates the concept of evolution and species were considered fixed, with humans holding special status and no species being our equal. Genetically chimps, bonobos and humans have less variation between species than there is between the species of Canis. If using genetic drift is the basis then either a lot of new classifications are added or a lot get collapsed.

So it is always proper to challenge whether a find like this merits its own species. In a case like this, though, doing so because of, say, potential gigantism is not really a valid challenge unless you are an expert and have carefully examined the remains. It takes years to do the measurements and comparisons to establish a new proposed Homo species, or Australopithecus or older human ancestor.
 
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