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(Some Guy)   Spooked by an exciting and competitive Formula 1 season, FIA punishes Red Bull by mandating minimum pit stop times   (racefans.net) divider line
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2021-06-24 7:46:30 PM  
Aren't loose lugnuts more or less a self-correcting problem?   Can't this be addressed in post-race inspection?
 
2021-06-24 7:56:00 PM  
The last tyre to fly off the a car was the first race - of last year.

I understand the reasoning, but the timing is unacceptable. Teams train for months and are given less than a week to prepare for things down to literally .15 of a second differential.

Maybe I'm misreading it, but it sounds like there'll be a few mishaps and/or penalties for things undetectable by the naked eye and too fast to be learned in just a few days.

I'm a Lewis Hamilton fan and his team, Mercedes, is historically slower in the pits than their main rival, Red Bull. I see this rule change as highly suspicious, even if it will potentially benefit my favorite driver over his rivals.

I call bullshart.
 
2021-06-24 9:13:40 PM  
"We must remove all entertainment value from this event.  Any further entertainment will be strongly discouraged".
 
2021-06-24 10:25:27 PM  
Someone at the FIA is getting advice from the France familyz
 
2021-06-24 10:48:07 PM  
If a team has a wheel come loose, and it hits anyone, that is going to leave a mark. A bad one. Just DNF both cars for that team, and maybe even for the next race. The problem will take care of itself if you make the price high enough. And don't talk about refueling in order to slow them down in the pits. I have seen enough pit fires to know that is a bad idea.
 
2021-06-24 10:58:26 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "We must remove all entertainment value from this event.  Any further entertainment will be strongly discouraged".


The Liberty years are certainly better than the Bernie years. New cars next year, too, even if they are chonkers weighing in at something like 980 kg. Sprint qualifying at some races.

And RB are challenging Merc in the championship, for the first time since 2013.

Maybe this specific thing is stupid, but I'm hopeful for the future of F1 being able to make an entertaining product.
 
2021-06-24 11:06:06 PM  

foo monkey: Aren't loose lugnuts more or less a self-correcting problem?   Can't this be addressed in post-race inspection?


I only know what I read on here but there was story just this week about guy that DQed because they inspected the lugnuts after the race and they were loose. Maybe they suspect that Red Bull gambling with potential loose lugnuts on pit stops during the race to gain time then making sure they are tight on the last pit stop so they pass inspection after the race.
 
2021-06-24 11:35:10 PM  
Well, that's certainly one of the more idiotic auto racing rules I've heard of in my lifetime
 
2021-06-24 11:47:16 PM  

morg: foo monkey: Aren't loose lugnuts more or less a self-correcting problem?   Can't this be addressed in post-race inspection?

I only know what I read on here but there was story just this week about guy that DQed because they inspected the lugnuts after the race and they were loose. Maybe they suspect that Red Bull gambling with potential loose lugnuts on pit stops during the race to gain time then making sure they are tight on the last pit stop so they pass inspection after the race.


I don't think F1 makes rule changes based on NASCAR.  :)
 
2021-06-25 12:25:21 AM  
Next they will ban powered wrenches and have the crew do it with a giant hand wrench.
 
2021-06-25 12:32:32 AM  
Slower! Slower!
 
2021-06-25 4:59:06 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Next they will ban powered wrenches and have the crew do it with a giant hand wrench.


Just eliminate everything mechanical or powered. Have the pit team haul the car behind them instead.
 
2021-06-25 7:10:31 AM  
At this rate Bottas will never leave the pits again.
 
2021-06-25 7:21:59 AM  

TheManofPA: At this rate Bottas will never leave the pits again.


They're testing a no stop strategy on the soft tires
 
2021-06-25 7:22:18 AM  

foo monkey: morg: foo monkey: Aren't loose lugnuts more or less a self-correcting problem?   Can't this be addressed in post-race inspection?

I only know what I read on here but there was story just this week about guy that DQed because they inspected the lugnuts after the race and they were loose. Maybe they suspect that Red Bull gambling with potential loose lugnuts on pit stops during the race to gain time then making sure they are tight on the last pit stop so they pass inspection after the race.

I don't think F1 makes rule changes based on NASCAR.  :)


They follow what's going on in the other series.  Especially when it comes to safety.

They're trying to prevent false starts from the various team members. We've all seen the lollipop guy give the driver the go when there was still a wheel being tightened.

Still, I think this is a solution looking for a problem to fix.
 
2021-06-25 7:43:14 AM  
This is 100% a hitjob disguised as a protest.  It was apparently brought up by Mercedes, Alpine, and McLaren.  The latter two are 8th and 9th in pit stop speeds.

New owners, same old FIA.
 
2021-06-25 8:42:04 AM  

morg: foo monkey: Aren't loose lugnuts more or less a self-correcting problem?   Can't this be addressed in post-race inspection?

I only know what I read on here but there was story just this week about guy that DQed because they inspected the lugnuts after the race and they were loose. Maybe they suspect that Red Bull gambling with potential loose lugnuts on pit stops during the race to gain time then making sure they are tight on the last pit stop so they pass inspection after the race.


There's usually only one pit stop. So that gambit would theoretically only work maybe twice a year if attempted.
 
2021-06-25 8:46:18 AM  
Add me to the "why the fark except help the teams that are shiat at pit stops?" camp. Have Red Bull ever had a wheel mishap?

I can only think of: Renault (one of the whiners), Alfa (let Kimi go too soon last year) and Merc, who have shown they're plenty able to fark up a pit stop so of course they're one of the teams to whine too.

Toto is giving Lewis a run for his money this year on complaining.
 
2021-06-25 8:51:56 AM  

UNC_Samurai: This is 100% a hitjob disguised as a protest.  It was apparently brought up by Mercedes, Alpine, and McLaren.  The latter two are 8th and 9th in pit stop speeds.

New owners, same old FIA.


Liberty are just the promoters, the FIA makes the rules. Liberty can influence some things, but if the FIA thinks this is a safety issue; Liberty can't do anything but stand by and watch. And a tire coming off because the nut isn't tight is definitely a safety issue.
 
2021-06-25 8:51:58 AM  

foo monkey: I don't think F1 makes rule changes based on NASCAR.  :)


When it comes to autoracing I am the proverbial SO that roots for the team with the cuter uniforms.

/or tighter lugnuts
 
2021-06-25 12:15:22 PM  
Red Bull's World Record Pit Stop | 2019 British Grand Prix
Youtube 3ZVf6Sc989E
 
2021-06-25 2:03:23 PM  

ltdanman44: [YouTube video: Red Bull's World Record Pit Stop | 2019 British Grand Prix]


My god... just look at all that unsafety.
 
2021-06-25 2:09:42 PM  
Every Guido Pitstop! | Pixar Cars
Youtube MryXa6ipMQM
 
2021-06-25 6:02:17 PM  

desertgeek: UNC_Samurai: This is 100% a hitjob disguised as a protest.  It was apparently brought up by Mercedes, Alpine, and McLaren.  The latter two are 8th and 9th in pit stop speeds.

New owners, same old FIA.

Liberty are just the promoters, the FIA makes the rules. Liberty can influence some things, but if the FIA thinks this is a safety issue; Liberty can't do anything but stand by and watch. And a tire coming off because the nut isn't tight is definitely a safety issue.


Sure, and voter fraud is an issue too.
 
2021-06-25 7:53:56 PM  

desertgeek: UNC_Samurai: This is 100% a hitjob disguised as a protest.  It was apparently brought up by Mercedes, Alpine, and McLaren.  The latter two are 8th and 9th in pit stop speeds.

New owners, same old FIA.

Liberty are just the promoters, the FIA makes the rules. Liberty can influence some things, but if the FIA thinks this is a safety issue; Liberty can't do anything but stand by and watch. And a tire coming off because the nut isn't tight is definitely a safety issue.


Except the FIA *always* does what the moneybags that actually run F1 want done, because without that money, the FIA is powerless (Bernie Eccelstone proved that).
 
2021-06-25 8:32:27 PM  
Doesn't matter, Red Bull will still kick their assess.  One or more of the complaining teams will have a violation and Red Bull & Alpha Tauri will be flawless.

Merc fan, the only thing worse than Mercedes strategy has been it's execution.  Yet the racing press is trying to stir up sh*t for Botas and Russel when the Merc pit crew literally ground the teeth off of the lug nut, so they couldn't remove the tyre.
 
2021-06-25 8:41:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: desertgeek: UNC_Samurai: This is 100% a hitjob disguised as a protest.  It was apparently brought up by Mercedes, Alpine, and McLaren.  The latter two are 8th and 9th in pit stop speeds.

New owners, same old FIA.

Liberty are just the promoters, the FIA makes the rules. Liberty can influence some things, but if the FIA thinks this is a safety issue; Liberty can't do anything but stand by and watch. And a tire coming off because the nut isn't tight is definitely a safety issue.

Sure, and voter fraud is an issue too.


Eh...you're kind of comparing apples to 93 octane.

Racing teams will seize on every single avenue possible to knock off a few thousandsths from a single second if they think doing so will get a leg up on the competition, and they only get shut down through one of two ways: either what they're doing is so blatant that the sanctioning body steps in and shuts them down, or the other teams figure things out, do it that way or with their own spin on things, and then the sanctioning body later closes off that avenue for a variety of reasons either safety or financial related.

I don't know what the FIA found, and frankly knowing the FIA, it's not outside the realm of possibility that there wasn't political motivations in this new change (in so far as auto racing is concerned).  However, let me throw a little cold water on all of that with some perspective.  That NASCAR lug nut rule that everyone was crying about this past weekend because it got Chase Elliott DQ'd came about because the teams were actively gaming out just how much they really needed to tighten down those lugs.  To simplify things as best as I can, everything about racing pit crews is specially designed to save as much time as physically possible - from the way they train to the equipment they use.  And honestly, although I was initially thinking some tire changers needed to be fired after that, I've come to the conclusion that what happened with Chase was likely equipment failure.  Because of who that team is, I think a failure of the lug wrench gun caused five of his lugs to be loose.

Perhaps the FIA actually did see something similar going down, and decided to take action before they had yet another incident where all the usual questions get asked.
 
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