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(CBS New York)   Controversial Teddy Roosevelt statue to be removed from American Museum of Natural History in NYC. Robin Williams rolls in his grave   (newyork.cbslocal.com) divider line
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2021-06-24 1:24:28 PM  
I admire TR as a larger than life president.

That statue does have issues, mostly with the composition. If it's the museum of natural history shouldn't it be him founding the national park service or sparing the bear cub that sparked the term "Teddy bears"?

/ this looks like the Lone Ranger later years where he needs two sidekicks to saddle up after the gout kicks in.
 
2021-06-24 1:37:24 PM  
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2021-06-24 1:47:55 PM  
I'm a huge TR fan... it's a really, really bad statue. It's the right move.

Replace it with another one of him.
 
2021-06-24 1:53:39 PM  
CSB: My grandfather made exhibits in the 70s that are still on display there.  And yes, there are people who routinely complain about them.
 
2021-06-24 1:56:11 PM  
It's America's Great Leap Forward.

When do we start smashing the schoolteachers?
 
2021-06-24 1:56:28 PM  
Was there any actual history as to what the statue was supposed to represent or what the artists intent was?
 
2021-06-24 1:56:34 PM  
Robin rolled into Teddy's grave?

hey, it's the afterlife ... in June 

who am I to judge?
 
2021-06-24 1:56:55 PM  

Sexy Jesus: When do we start smashing the schoolteachers?


are they hot?
 
2021-06-24 1:58:01 PM  

WillofJ2: Was there any actual history as to what the statue was supposed to represent or what the artists intent was?


it was a great representation of the concept of the white man's burden
 
2021-06-24 1:58:06 PM  
The idea of the statue was well intended.  It was meant to honor Roosevelt, and at the time his three most proudest accomplishments was his role in the Battle of San Juan, and his work to help Native Americans and African Americans.  Roosevelt was not perfect as a Civil Rights hero, but the truth is he, more than any other major white politician of his era, was fighting for better treatment of minorities.

The reason he is flanked by an African American and a Native American is to represent his role in expanding and fighting for the rights of these minority groups.  I get the statue does a poor job of communicating that to modern audiences, but it isn't the same as a statue to a Confederate General or a slave trader who actively fought to oppress the rights of minorities.

That said, it is a bad statue.
 
2021-06-24 2:00:46 PM  
American history is frought with ugliness (we are not alone).  There's a bunch of museums, schools, companies, etc. with "American" in their name.  Should they remove that word?
 
2021-06-24 2:01:51 PM  
This is literally Rush's 2112.
 
2021-06-24 2:02:28 PM  

WillofJ2: Was there any actual history as to what the statue was supposed to represent or what the artists intent was?


Wikipedia has this:
The sculptor of the statue, James Earle Fraser, stated the intent with these words: "The two figures at [Roosevelt's] side are guides symbolizing the continents of Africa and America, and if you choose may stand for Roosevelt's friendliness to all races." cite
 
2021-06-24 2:02:45 PM  

winedrinkingman: The idea of the statue was well intended.  It was meant to honor Roosevelt, and at the time his three most proudest accomplishments was his role in the Battle of San Juan, and his work to help Native Americans and African Americans.  Roosevelt was not perfect as a Civil Rights hero, but the truth is he, more than any other major white politician of his era, was fighting for better treatment of minorities.

The reason he is flanked by an African American and a Native American is to represent his role in expanding and fighting for the rights of these minority groups.  I get the statue does a poor job of communicating that to modern audiences, but it isn't the same as a statue to a Confederate General or a slave trader who actively fought to oppress the rights of minorities.

That said, it is a bad statue.


Cf. Lincoln and the "kneeling slave". Supposed to be emancipated, didn't come out that way.

TR was the original skinny nerdy kid who became a super hero.
 
2021-06-24 2:03:01 PM  
Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party perpetually offended is always right.
 
2021-06-24 2:03:24 PM  

skyotter: This is literally Rush's 2112.


So like all of their works, well done technically but lacking soul?
 
2021-06-24 2:03:31 PM  
Yeah, I definitely get that one. Remake it without him on horseback and I think it would be just fine.
 
2021-06-24 2:04:11 PM  
Headline for two months later:

Controversial Teddy Roosevelt statue actually not removed from American Museum of Natural History at all because it came to life and STABBED ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WERE COMPLAINING OH MY GOD HERE HE COMES AGAIN OH GOD OH NO NO NO NO
 
2021-06-24 2:05:19 PM  
Well it's just a statue.
It doesn't have feelings.
Bye, statue.
 
2021-06-24 2:05:57 PM  
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I swear, if the Smithsonian even thinks about removing the Amelia Earhart Statue....
 
2021-06-24 2:06:31 PM  

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You seem mad that a shiatty statue, that isn't yours, is being removed by those who own it.
I'm so tired of sensitive SJW's like you.
 
2021-06-24 2:08:01 PM  
Ask these people complaining about the statue being taken down how they feel about critical race theory. You know, also American history being taught. Oh, double standard? How shocking.
 
2021-06-24 2:08:12 PM  

AlgaeRancher: I admire TR as a larger than life president.

That statue does have issues, mostly with the composition. If it's the museum of natural history shouldn't it be him founding the national park service or sparing the bear cub that sparked the term "Teddy bears"?

/ this looks like the Lone Ranger later years where he needs two sidekicks to saddle up after the gout kicks in.


That one's inside.

https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/perm​a​nent/theodore-roosevelt-memorial/hall/​roosevelt-sculpture
 
2021-06-24 2:12:08 PM  

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Well, there it is; the du-

Keyser_Soze_Death: Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party perpetually offended is always right.


Never mind.
 
2021-06-24 2:15:02 PM  
Subby.... too soon
 
2021-06-24 2:15:45 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: [i.pinimg.com image 425x630]

I swear, if the Smithsonian even thinks about removing the Amelia Earhart Statue....


Something, something cockpit...
 
2021-06-24 2:16:26 PM  
Public spaces must be purified of anything that may give offence
 
2021-06-24 2:17:03 PM  
Well, Foxnews has something new to put in their rotation cycle. Awesome.
 
2021-06-24 2:17:45 PM  
Remove ALL statues and replace them all with Harriet Tubman. Mount Rushmore, 4 Harriet Tubmans. And every single bill denomination should be Harriet Tubman.
 
2021-06-24 2:17:56 PM  

guestguy: OtherLittleGuy: [i.pinimg.com image 425x630]

I swear, if the Smithsonian even thinks about removing the Amelia Earhart Statue....

Something, something cockpit...


Beavis And Butthead Do America - Cockpit
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2021-06-24 2:19:06 PM  
Teddy's still dead, so it doesn't matter to him, but in his time black and Native people didn't have anybody else at his level in politics on their side, and the two accompanying figures were, I understood, intended as "guides" rather than subordinates, both metaphorically and, with reference to his African expedition for the Smithsonian and his lifetime of hunting the American West, quite literally.
 
2021-06-24 2:20:11 PM  

focusthis: American history is frought with ugliness (we are not alone).  There's a bunch of museums, schools, companies, etc. with "American" in their name.  Should they remove that word?


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"Some say.... Yes?"
 
2021-06-24 2:21:33 PM  

Keyser_Soze_Death: Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party perpetually offended is always right.


Now snowflake-splain to us how wearing a mask was literally the same as the Holocaust
 
2021-06-24 2:22:39 PM  

NewportBarGuy: I'm a huge TR fan... it's a really, really bad statue. It's the right move.
Replace it with another one of him.


All of this.
Make one of him writing the letter to the Indianola post office.
 
2021-06-24 2:23:23 PM  
History is written by the winners.
And eventually revised by historians.
Bad art always finds a way to get into the mix.
 
2021-06-24 2:23:58 PM  

winedrinkingman: The idea of the statue was well intended.  It was meant to honor Roosevelt, and at the time his three most proudest accomplishments was his role in the Battle of San Juan, and his work to help Native Americans and African Americans.  Roosevelt was not perfect as a Civil Rights hero, but the truth is he, more than any other major white politician of his era, was fighting for better treatment of minorities.

The reason he is flanked by an African American and a Native American is to represent his role in expanding and fighting for the rights of these minority groups.  I get the statue does a poor job of communicating that to modern audiences, but it isn't the same as a statue to a Confederate General or a slave trader who actively fought to oppress the rights of minorities.


Yes, but did he really do anything positive for African Americans?  My understanding.is that he was pretty much status quo generally for the sake of winning the southern states.  And in his speeches he always clearly stated a white supremecist policy. Which was also against Latinos and Asians as well - to justify the Manifest Destiny policy.

BTW, I think a statue of him at a natural history museum does make sense - just not that one.
 
2021-06-24 2:26:31 PM  
It is a terrible statue. I love that museum , and they have been doing a good job of labeling problematic displays without necessarily removing them. The statue should go.
 
2021-06-24 2:31:43 PM  
headline of BS.

A statue of  Roosevelt is not really what we took down.  It was not just him and him alone standing there looking leader like or whatever.
This is not at all the same as taking down a statue of a spceiffic confederate asswipe.

the statue is not A statue OF Roosevelt, it is a scene of racist propaganda that happens to use him as the central figure, while showing natives and African Americans as happily sub-servant to not him personally but what he is representative of in the scene, White American culture.


Like this for:
The original statue pre Voldemort take over, in the ministry of magic.
The elf, and monitor showing their subservience to the wizards. It is just pure propaganda not reality. Just they did not have an explicitly named wizard in the scene but we happen to in ours.
 
2021-06-24 2:32:49 PM  
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Yupperz........!
 
2021-06-24 2:36:40 PM  
Dont take it down, switch it around.

Have the black dude riding the horse and the native homes riding TR.
 
2021-06-24 2:37:51 PM  

medius: Robin rolled into Teddy's grave?


I didn't get the reference either /s I guess it's some sort of nerdy movie thing.

The statue presents a pretty bizarre image to us. I'm sure at the time it was meant to symbolize diversity and inclusiveness, but the thing these days is divisiveness.
 
2021-06-24 2:43:23 PM  
I wonder what they are going to call the American version of the Khmer Rouge.
 
2021-06-24 2:43:53 PM  
Sheesh, what a bunch of snowfl-
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2021-06-24 2:44:31 PM  
I will gladly join in the chorus of people commenting about a statue they've never seen being move to a site that they have no intention of visiting that is a reflection of history they have no idea about, and in the end does not alter my life one bit.
 
2021-06-24 2:44:32 PM  

Call the Guy: Keyser_Soze_Death: Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party perpetually offended is always right.

Now snowflake-splain to us how wearing a mask was literally the same as the Holocaust


Better if you do it, you already seem invested in believing it.
 
2021-06-24 2:51:38 PM  

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I want to know who gets the following in the Teddy divorce.

150 national forests, 51 federal bird reserves, four national game preserves, five national parks.

Let me guess, Spain since teddy stole from Spain. Wait a sec... Weren't the conquistadors Spanish? Why do they get a pass.

/Decades of studying history to finally find out how it is lost so quickly.
 
2021-06-24 2:52:25 PM  

WillofJ2: Was there any actual history as to what the statue was supposed to represent or what the artists intent was?


No Stalin.
 
2021-06-24 2:54:11 PM  

WastrelWay: medius: Robin rolled into Teddy's grave?

I didn't get the reference either /s I guess it's some sort of nerdy movie thing.

The statue presents a pretty bizarre image to us. I'm sure at the time it was meant to symbolize diversity and inclusiveness, but the thing these days is divisiveness.


The Night At the Museum movies. Robin Williams played Teddy Roosevelt when the wax statues in the dioramas at the Museum of Natural History would come to life after closing time thanks to a magical Egyptian tablet.

They're silly and not a little ridiculous but very watchable.
 
2021-06-24 2:55:11 PM  

winedrinkingman: The idea of the statue was well intended.  It was meant to honor Roosevelt, and at the time his three most proudest accomplishments was his role in the Battle of San Juan, and his work to help Native Americans and African Americans.  Roosevelt was not perfect as a Civil Rights hero, but the truth is he, more than any other major white politician of his era, was fighting for better treatment of minorities.

The reason he is flanked by an African American and a Native American is to represent his role in expanding and fighting for the rights of these minority groups.  I get the statue does a poor job of communicating that to modern audiences, but it isn't the same as a statue to a Confederate General or a slave trader who actively fought to oppress the rights of minorities.

That said, it is a bad statue.


What about actual slaver statues?
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2021-06-24 2:55:11 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: [i.pinimg.com image 425x630]

I swear, if the Smithsonian even thinks about removing the Amelia Earhart Statue....


If that was a statue of her, just imagine how much shinier some parts would be than others.
 
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