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(NPR)   It's been four months since New Zealand had any community transmission of COVID-19. But then they started letting in Australians   (npr.org) divider line
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2021-06-23 4:00:54 PM  
Is Franz Ferdinand ok?
 
2021-06-23 4:04:32 PM  
This is what I fear in our community.  We haven't had a case for months.  For the entire pandemic, we've had 12 cases, no hospitalizations.

And then they let cruise ships come in.  Stupid motherf*ckers.
 
2021-06-23 4:27:01 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: This is what I fear in our community.  We haven't had a case for months.  For the entire pandemic, we've had 12 cases, no hospitalizations.

And then they let cruise ships come in.  Stupid motherf*ckers.


If we never had a plague ship come back to the port, I would consider it a blessing.

/cruise shippers don't spend anything anyway
 
2021-06-23 4:52:46 PM  
Yeah, but their teams went 23-2 against Australian ones in this year's Super Rugby, so that's probably worth it.
 
2021-06-23 4:56:00 PM  
The country's response has been among the most effective in the world and the nation of 5 million people has recorded just 26 coronavirus deaths.

Stateside, people are still screaming about 1984 because they have to wear a mask in Costco.
 
2021-06-23 4:57:57 PM  
I don't let Trumpers anywhere around me, so I'm still healthy.
 
2021-06-23 4:59:16 PM  
Lol, the country that bans Australian citizens from coming home has no issue sending their disease vectors abroad.

The very definition of "not my problem".

/yes, I realize almost every country has a 1 way ban, because it looks bad to restrict your own citizens movement
 
2021-06-23 5:00:31 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: This is what I fear in our community.  We haven't had a case for months.  For the entire pandemic, we've had 12 cases, no hospitalizations.

And then they let cruise ships come in.  Stupid motherf*ckers.


We aren't as lucky as that here, we have had a few days with no deaths and they have been under ten a day for a while but then all the resort towns opened up and they are packed.
 
2021-06-23 5:05:15 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: This is what I fear in our community.  We haven't had a case for months.  For the entire pandemic, we've had 12 cases, no hospitalizations.

And then they let cruise ships come in.  Stupid motherf*ckers.


You had months to prepare the torpedo launchers and offshore bombardments to keep the cruise ships away...
 
2021-06-23 5:08:04 PM  
Proving once again that anything in Australia is perfectly capable of killing you.
 
2021-06-23 5:13:15 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: This is what I fear in our community.  We haven't had a case for months.  For the entire pandemic, we've had 12 cases, no hospitalizations.

And then they let cruise ships come in.  Stupid motherf*ckers.


No cruise ships here. The river is still blocked with a downed tree but the rafters and canoeists get out and climb around it. It's probably a good thing we can't get a ship in as no one is wearing masks any more.

I'm going to put an idea out there for some Farker entrepreneur: they make all sorts of cute inflatables for floating the rivers--my sister is very proud of her unicorn--I suggest a two-seater that looks like a little cruise ship.
 
2021-06-23 5:14:08 PM  

Deathbymeteor: Benevolent Misanthrope: This is what I fear in our community.  We haven't had a case for months.  For the entire pandemic, we've had 12 cases, no hospitalizations.

And then they let cruise ships come in.  Stupid motherf*ckers.

You had months to prepare the torpedo launchers and offshore bombardments to keep the cruise ships away...


We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing-grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!
 
2021-06-23 5:15:14 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: This is what I fear in our community.  We haven't had a case for months.  For the entire pandemic, we've had 12 cases, no hospitalizations.

And then they let cruise ships come in.  Stupid motherf*ckers.


Most major cruise lines require all passengers and crew be vaccinated, except those leaving from Florida.

If you live in Florida, then you have bigger problems anyway.
 
2021-06-23 5:18:25 PM  
I bet it was a Sydney-sider. - reads TFA - . Yep.

Where I am in Adelaide no COVID, hasn't been a community infection in a while, although a couple of people in the same household as a security guard working a quarantine hotel picked it up some weeks back. It's all from returning travellers and then the occasional escape from them, but everything is well traced and people going about their daily business aren't at much risk.

I'm finally booked in for my first vaccination in a couple of weeks. That's the dumb bit. We're way behind the rest of the world on vaccinations due to availability.
 
2021-06-23 5:18:58 PM  
Hey Trudeau, are you watching this?
 
2021-06-23 5:21:13 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: Lol, the country that bans Australian citizens from coming home has no issue sending their disease vectors abroad.

The very definition of "not my problem".

/yes, I realize almost every country has a 1 way ban, because it looks bad to restrict your own citizens movement


It's still illegal to leave Australia without a Very Very Good Reason unless you're going to NZ, with whom we have (had?) a two-way travel bubble.
 
2021-06-23 5:25:47 PM  
They gotta step up their vaccination campaign before they can safely open up to the world.  Now they don't seem to be in any hurry to do that, but New Zealand is a pretty nice place to live.
 
2021-06-23 5:28:00 PM  

UltimaCS: The country's response has been among the most effective in the world and the nation of 5 million people has recorded just 26 coronavirus deaths.

Stateside, people are still screaming about 1984 because they have to wear a mask in Costco.


shiat New Zealand was actually able to do effective exposure tracking and isolate those people.  Far and away the best response on earth.  The island thing helps a lot too though.
 
2021-06-23 5:44:13 PM  
I thought they kept the ban on travel from Europe?
 
2021-06-23 5:59:05 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: This is what I fear in our community.  We haven't had a case for months.  For the entire pandemic, we've had 12 cases, no hospitalizations.

And then they let cruise ships come in.  Stupid motherf*ckers.


Seems to me the ones allowing this crap should hang. It would save lives and tons of money.
 
2021-06-23 6:11:08 PM  
New Zealand has to let the occasional person in. If they wall themselves off completely they'll become an island of human/sheep hybrids.
Probably still beat everyone at Rugby though.
 
2021-06-23 6:17:27 PM  

MIRV888: They gotta step up their vaccination campaign before they can safely open up to the world.  Now they don't seem to be in any hurry to do that, but New Zealand is a pretty nice place to live.


Well the plan is proceeding as planned, there haven't really been any holdups. Its not a fast plan and was never meant to be *shrug*

Of course if there were a big outbreak it will look like a stupid plan.
 
2021-06-23 6:23:50 PM  

Scaley: New Zealand has to let the occasional person in. If they wall themselves off completely they'll become an island of human/sheep hybrids.
Probably still beat everyone at Rugby though.


Cricket now, too.
 
2021-06-23 6:24:16 PM  

Scaley: New Zealand has to let the occasional person in. If they wall themselves off completely they'll become an island of human/sheep hybrids.
Probably still beat everyone at Rugby though.


Heh... "become"
 
2021-06-23 7:04:44 PM  
Watching the news on the Sydney covid cluster is... like a slow-motion horror movie.

JFC. From 1 to 30 cases in a single week.
 
2021-06-23 8:48:05 PM  

Scaley: New Zealand has to let the occasional person in. If they wall themselves off completely they'll become an island of human/sheep hybrids.
Probably still beat everyone at Rugby though.


They'll have really nice gardens though.

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2021-06-23 9:24:45 PM  

erik-k: Watching the news on the Sydney covid cluster is... like a slow-motion horror movie.

JFC. From 1 to 30 cases in a single week.


Yes but you can't lock them down, those are rich people.
 
2021-06-23 10:06:11 PM  

Begoggle: I don't let Trumpers anywhere around me, so I'm still healthy.


Good idea, pulled tis off FB a little while ago. All Trumpers. Awesome people. I bet they lie to people about having stuff like Herpes, the Clap, Hep A and AIDS too.
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2021-06-23 10:31:20 PM  

Someone Else's Alt: Begoggle: I don't let Trumpers anywhere around me, so I'm still healthy.

Good idea, pulled tis off FB a little while ago. All Trumpers. Awesome people. I bet they lie to people about having stuff like Herpes, the Clap, Hep A and AIDS too.
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The rest of us, to the scientists: "Do you think you can engineer a version of covid that only infects and kills assholes? Because god DAMN this is tiresome in the extreme."
 
2021-06-23 10:59:48 PM  

erik-k: Someone Else's Alt: Begoggle: I don't let Trumpers anywhere around me, so I'm still healthy.

Good idea, pulled tis off FB a little while ago. All Trumpers. Awesome people. I bet they lie to people about having stuff like Herpes, the Clap, Hep A and AIDS too.
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The rest of us, to the scientists: "Do you think you can engineer a version of covid that only infects and kills assholes? Because god DAMN this is tiresome in the extreme."


Yep. About over it.
 
2021-06-23 11:44:21 PM  
Australia and New Zealand better hit the vaccines hard.  It's understandable that there's not exactly a big internal push to do it as quickly as humanly possible there, but there is very little natural immunity in the population and so their vaccination numbers will have be higher than what we've seen in the rest of the world to contain the disease.  If they loosen up travel restrictions and contact tracing too soon they could see outbreaks, pointlessly, after doing so well so far.  They're in a unique position where they can say something like, "Travel restrictions and two-week isolation upon arrival remain until 80% are fully vaccinated", and they should.

America has 65% partially and 50% fully vaccinated, and this along with modest precautions seems to be enough to contain the disease, so you might think the magic number might be something like 70%.  But America also has at least 30 million people, probably a lot more, with some level of natural level of immunity.  In a population with almost no natural immunity you might need 80% or more vaccinated to prevent spreading.  (Remember that 70% was a high-end estimate with the original strain; the vaccines still work against new strains but more contaigous means higher coverage needed to stop the spread.)

I'm rooting for them.  I just hope someone will be able to say, "Covid? We got that."
 
2021-06-24 12:52:28 AM  

aerojockey: Australia and New Zealand better hit the vaccines hard.  It's understandable that there's not exactly a big internal push to do it as quickly as humanly possible there, but there is very little natural immunity in the population and so their vaccination numbers will have be higher than what we've seen in the rest of the world to contain the disease.  If they loosen up travel restrictions and contact tracing too soon they could see outbreaks, pointlessly, after doing so well so far.  They're in a unique position where they can say something like, "Travel restrictions and two-week isolation upon arrival remain until 80% are fully vaccinated", and they should.

America has 65% partially and 50% fully vaccinated, and this along with modest precautions seems to be enough to contain the disease, so you might think the magic number might be something like 70%.  But America also has at least 30 million people, probably a lot more, with some level of natural level of immunity.  In a population with almost no natural immunity you might need 80% or more vaccinated to prevent spreading.  (Remember that 70% was a high-end estimate with the original strain; the vaccines still work against new strains but more contaigous means higher coverage needed to stop the spread.)

I'm rooting for them.  I just hope someone will be able to say, "Covid? We got that."


It's terrifying, but the CDC estimates that the actual ascertainment bias for covid cases in the US is between 3 and 4 to 1. As in, 2-3 cases that were never reported (either because they were asymptomatic and not tested, or they were symptomatic and "well, that's definitely what it is... I'm not dying, no point getting tested...", or [scarily] reich wing derp about "I'll never admit to THEM I have the democrat hoax gynavirus!") for every one that was.

There aren't 30 million Americans with post-infection immune responses, there's probably closer to 100 million.

I think it's quite likely that at this point, the number of people in America whose immune systems have not encountered the spike protein (one way or another) is probably in the teens %... and dropping.
 
2021-06-24 2:38:40 AM  

aerojockey: Australia and New Zealand better hit the vaccines hard.


It's progressing, albeit slowly. There wasn't a sense of urgency due to the public health response. My parents - both in their 80s - had their second Pfizer jabs this week, so my biggest concern has been met. My sister - a nurse - has been fully inoculated too. As I'm 42, I'll have to wait until mid September.

Here's the plan:

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2021-06-24 6:08:11 AM  

aerojockey: Australia and New Zealand better hit the vaccines hard.


I'm assuming we are going as fast as Pfizer supplies allow, since the news is always about when the next shipment is due.

Then again, it is true what they say about this government not being able to organise a root in a brothel, and our vaccine rollout is commonly described as 'problematic' at best.

/on the waiting list
 
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