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2021-06-23 2:55:41 PM  
It's really an art to do activism while ignoring these kinds of debates. As an oldsters, I can get away with just saying, "don't ask me; my generation is out of ideas. You guys figure that shiat out and tell me how I can help."
 
2021-06-23 3:20:57 PM  
Glenn doesn't like Hillary Clinton and after going hard at her during 2016, he just kept on going.

/I'm not a fan of hers either, but she's not running for anything now.
 
2021-06-23 3:21:06 PM  
He figured out a way to get in on the grift by monetizing his ability to have shiatty controversial takes on issues and present himself as a token liberal on Fox News?

/drtfa
 
2021-06-23 3:36:37 PM  
There's been a new public fracturing of the intellectual left

At least the left has one to fracture, even if putting it that way confirms your desperation for acceptance by people you think are intelligent.  The whole opening feels needy, a whine for confirmation or at least a passing nod.

Have some spit.

/ptoie
 
2021-06-23 4:23:21 PM  
Nothing happened. He was always an asshole and has never been any kind of leftist.
 
2021-06-23 4:24:08 PM  
Greenwald farked up royally in 2016, along with Julian Assange, trying to punish Hillary Clinton because she ran for President.

Did they ever get to the bottom of what happened? How much Russian involvement occurred?
 
2021-06-23 4:24:39 PM  
Glenn of Green Goebbels?
 
2021-06-23 4:24:57 PM  
Before he became a "journalist", Glenn acted as a lawyer for neo Nazis in the late 90s. This has always been him.
 
2021-06-23 4:25:46 PM  
That was a lot of words to say he went bananas after his boyfriend was detained for suspected trafficking of stolen information.
 
2021-06-23 4:26:07 PM  

whidbey: Greenwald farked up royally in 2016, along with Julian Assange, trying to punish Hillary Clinton because she ran for President.

Did they ever get to the bottom of what happened? How much Russian involvement occurred?


No it was Comey!!
 
2021-06-23 4:26:08 PM  
This may be the longest whataboutism in the history of shiatty blogs.
 
2021-06-23 4:27:42 PM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: Nothing happened. He was always an asshole and has never been any kind of leftist.


He always whipped up fake controversy. The left eventually saw through him, so now he grifts on Fox News.
 
2021-06-23 4:28:28 PM  
Good article, good author, pretty fair about the attacks against Greenwald and Taibbi.

/probably accidentally greenlit
 
2021-06-23 4:29:06 PM  

jethroe: Good article, good author, pretty fair about the attacks against Greenwald and Taibbi.

/probably accidentally greenlit


Your blog sucks.
 
2021-06-23 4:30:24 PM  

Maud Dib: jethroe: Good article, good author, pretty fair about the attacks against Greenwald and Taibbi.

/probably accidentally greenlit

Your blog sucks.


Go ride a worm?
 
2021-06-23 4:30:29 PM  
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2021-06-23 4:33:38 PM  
"The apotheosis of such tendencies was the obsession, shared alike by liberals and some on the left, with Russiagate. This supposed scandal.."


Yeah. Your blog sucks. More bullshiat from people who are a bunch of libertarian assholes..
 
2021-06-23 4:35:16 PM  

cocozilla: "The apotheosis of such tendencies was the obsession, shared alike by liberals and some on the left, with Russiagate. This supposed scandal.."


Yeah. Your blog sucks. More bullshiat from people who are a bunch of libertarian assholes..


Well, if Russia's running everything, that kind of means a smaller US Govt, right?
 
2021-06-23 4:35:38 PM  
I especially like how they refer to greenwald as a" progressive libertarian." Apparently being a progressive libertarian means you get to have sex with underage boys and girls.
 
2021-06-23 4:36:11 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: That was a lot of words to say he went bananas after his boyfriend was detained for suspected trafficking of stolen information.


and the emphasis there is on "boy" isn't it? was it that guy or a different one who he started screwing when they were 16?
 
2021-06-23 4:36:21 PM  
Who?
 
2021-06-23 4:36:37 PM  
Libertarian apologetics for right wingers trying to intellectually seperate them from cryptofascists as if it's not an inevitable slide.

Which is funny because Greenwald made his career, like so many others, criticising that and then when the money was good became critical of leftist policies and ideals.

While we debate about a theoretical leftist authoritarian problem in America - we have literal facists seeking the creation of a white, christian state in the US and having no problem murdering the others in droves or trying to incite the most pathetic revolution because they didn't like a particular center-right politician being elected instead of their populist authoritarian.
 
2021-06-23 4:37:21 PM  
If we dont walk in synchronous goosestep the fascists will win.
 
2021-06-23 4:38:39 PM  
*opens article*

...a thoughtful rightwing populist...

*closes article*
 
2021-06-23 4:43:51 PM  
Wait, Greenwald is a predatory pedo?

Oh, fark. Of course he is.
 
2021-06-23 4:43:52 PM  
> Krystal Ball

Well, I was watching her for a little bit a while back. She isn't terrible, but those two are pretty clueless about what is actually censorship as it pertains to a private company vs. the federal government.

Yes, in some tiny way, I agree with them. But in the real world, if Krystall and Saagar can mange to not get themselves kicked off of youtube, I would expect no less of the president of the United States of America.

And if left wingers are actively trying to organize a coup, then they should be kicked off as well.

That's how this should work. It's exactly how it should work.
 
2021-06-23 4:44:03 PM  
a broader intellectual left that includes Robinson, Greenwald and Taibbi.

A present time, at least two of these people are not a part of the broader intellectual left.  They're not left and they're barely intellectual at this point.  Greenwald responds to most complaints about him with ad hominems and whataboutisms.  That's not a sign of an intellectual.  It's the sign of an ideologue.
 
2021-06-23 4:45:28 PM  
The article mentions Krystal Ball.  When the hell did everybody get silly names that sound like they came out of Dr. Strangelove?  Reality Winner is another one.
 
2021-06-23 4:45:52 PM  
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2021-06-23 4:47:13 PM  

cocozilla: "The apotheosis of such tendencies was the obsession, shared alike by liberals and some on the left, with Russiagate. This supposed scandal.."


Yeah. Your blog sucks. More bullshiat from people who are a bunch of libertarian assholes..


I was cruising right along and BLAM! right there. We shouldn't investigate foreign interference in our elections? Did I think there was going to be a resignation like Nixon because of it? No. Is it still important to investigate, absolutely.
 
2021-06-23 4:50:24 PM  
Taibbi was never part of the intellectual left, and I say this as someone who owns all of his books and was a huge fan at one point. He's a schlock gonzo journalist with severe delusions of Hunter S. Thompson (himself pretty far from an intellectual.) His MO has always been to disrupt for the sake of attention, and the targets he's chosen have been targets of convenience, though I admit he was at one point genuinely left. But he's never been an intellectual to anyone beyond navel-gazing 20-year-olds.
 
2021-06-23 4:51:26 PM  
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Dumbledore beats him and wins the elder wand from him and dude ends up in Azkaban or something.
 
2021-06-23 4:54:27 PM  

Walker: [Fark user image image 625x455]


Nobody cared. That's what happened to him.

Attention whoring is a sickness.
 
2021-06-23 4:55:10 PM  
Vanity and the collapse of print journalism. So, without a sinecure, a lot of these guys became professional iconoclasts.
 
2021-06-23 5:05:46 PM  

roc6783: cocozilla: "The apotheosis of such tendencies was the obsession, shared alike by liberals and some on the left, with Russiagate. This supposed scandal.."


Yeah. Your blog sucks. More bullshiat from people who are a bunch of libertarian assholes..

I was cruising right along and BLAM! right there. We shouldn't investigate foreign interference in our elections? Did I think there was going to be a resignation like Nixon because of it? No. Is it still important to investigate, absolutely.


I also hear, 'we have interfered with more elections than Russia.' While true, this is of course beside the point, but somehow it means we aren't allowed to protect our own elections. Anyway, I don't know any liberals or leftists who were obsessed with Russiagate, just ones hopeful that this crime would bring Trump down. Just because CNN covers something a lot that doesn't mean lefties care about said issue.
 
2021-06-23 5:06:35 PM  
Greenwald fell out with the editors in spectacularly public fashion late last year after they stifled his attempts to write about the way Silicon Valley and liberal corporate media outlets - not unlike the Intercept - were colluding to stifle negative coverage of Joe Biden in the run-up to the presidential election, in a desperate bid to ensure he beat Trump.

Yeah, that's not what happened.  Greenwald wanted to write a "news" piece which basically regurgitated the New York Post's bullahit claims about Hunter Biden's supposed laptop.  His editor at the Intercept actually told Greenwald he needed to spend more time in his article taking about media coverage of the story, rather than simply trying to repeat the Post's own bizarre claims.

Greenwald, mad at the very idea that anyone would dare edit his masterpiece or cast aspersions on Rudy Giuliani's cesspool of assertions, quit.

So, in short, subby, your blog doesn't just suck, it outright lies.
 
2021-06-23 5:11:43 PM  
LOL at libertarians who think they are a legitimate part of "the left"
 
2021-06-23 5:12:53 PM  
In essence, the dilemma the left now faces is this:

To work with the Democrats, with liberals, who are desperate to put the mask back on the system, to shore up its deceptions, so that political stability can be restored - a stability that is waging war around the globe, that is escalating the threat of super-power tensions and nuclear annihilation, and that is destroying the planet.

Or to keep the mask off, and work with those elements of the populist left and right that share a commitment to free speech and transparency, in the hope that through open debate we can expose the current rule by an unaccountable, authoritarian technocratic class and its corporate patrons masquerading as "liberals".


Yep, all 6 of them.
 
2021-06-23 5:21:17 PM  

Geotpf: The article mentions Krystal Ball.  When the hell did everybody get silly names that sound like they came out of Dr. Strangelove?  Reality Winner is another one.


I was all set to snark because Learned Hand and Sojourner Truth are famous names from an earlier time - but she was born Isabella Baumfree and changed her name in her mid-40s, and his real first name was "Billings".

// Dick Butkus
 
2021-06-23 5:28:22 PM  

Irving Maimway: Glenn doesn't like Hillary Clinton and after going hard at her during 2016, he just kept on going.

/I'm not a fan of hers either, but she's not running for anything now.


You mean Glenn works for RT and repeats what ever talking point they want him to live on Tucker's KKK power hour.

But by allllll means you can't criticizeses him because he toots a lefty and his husband who was a homeless teenager when they met isn't a creepy relationship because he is gay.
 
2021-06-23 5:34:08 PM  
Who cares?
 
2021-06-23 5:39:35 PM  
Greenwald did jump the shark, but remind me again whose flags were flying in the Capitol of Democracy herself 1/6?

That's right.  So stfu author of this article.
 
2021-06-23 5:40:36 PM  

whidbey: Greenwald farked up royally in 2016, along with Julian Assange, trying to punish Hillary Clinton because she ran for President.

Did they ever get to the bottom of what happened? How much Russian involvement occurred?


I read until the author wrote about the so called Russiagate scandal.  That was enough BS for me.
 
2021-06-23 5:41:02 PM  

scanman61: Who cares?


Because we're supposed to be outraged...or something.
 
2021-06-23 5:42:43 PM  

Mike_1962: whidbey: Greenwald farked up royally in 2016, along with Julian Assange, trying to punish Hillary Clinton because she ran for President.

Did they ever get to the bottom of what happened? How much Russian involvement occurred?

I read until the author wrote about the so called Russiagate scandal.  That was enough BS for me.


"It was not just the massive waste of time and energy that went into trying to prove the unprovable claims of Trump's collusion with the Kremlin - resources that would have been far better invested in addressing Trump's real crimes, which were being committed out in the open. "

Like colluding with Russia?  Like being a farking Putin Puppet?  Those aren't crimes?
 
2021-06-23 5:43:28 PM  

Telephone Sanitizer Second Class: He figured out a way to get in on the grift by monetizing his ability to have shiatty controversial takes on issues and present himself as a token liberal on Fox News?

/drtfa


Ayep. Greenwald explained. 

/also dnrtfa
 
2021-06-23 5:44:36 PM  
I was a little suspicious of the writing in this article.... then I got to the part where he said Krystal Ball was "leftwing" then promptly stopped reading right there.

This blog sucks.

It's bullshiat.

Outside of Krystal Ball saying she's a leftist and being the "left" voice on a conservative show from a conservative outlet there's nothing "left wing" about Krystal ball.

I'm a lefty, I know a ton of lefty people, I follow a ton of leftwing outlets, read a lot of left wing sites...

And while the left is a big tent that encompasses a lot of different ideologies from far left to center left, and a lot of times there are a lot of disagreements amongst those groups, none of her talking points or actions line up with any people inside those groups.  They don't have to....  but when the only people on the "left" that they do line up with is people like Dave Rubin, Tim Pool, or Caleb Maupin, you aren't really left.

Because they aren't left either.  When the only people on the "left" that have the same talking points as you are the same people who fellates Trump and the rest of the right wing politicians, you might not actually be "left-wing."

Seriously, if you watch or read any of her stuff it boils down to 3 categories.

1. Agreeing with trump/republican stance and criticizing the left for opposing it.  (Vast majority of her talking points.)
2. Saying that the right-wing position is wrong.... but spin it into why the left is wrong and spends double to quadruple the time criticizing the left then she spent on why the right-wing position is wrong. (Runner up)
3.  Just criticizing the left for any positions that they have counter to the right wing position and criticizing them for it.  (3rd most common talking point.)

She never actually gives constructive criticism either.  It's not like "yeah, trumps bad for nepotism, but the dems should take the lead by not doing it."  It's more like "nepotism is bad, Trump shouldn't do it, but the dems do it too.  Plus the Trump children are great business people and we need strong people like that running our country, so the left shouldn't have complaints and they should be following that example."

Seriously, she spends more time talking about how great the right is and why the left is bad for opposing them, then she does actually providing a "left-wing" viewpoint on any matters.

This is a long-winded way of saying this blog is shiat.  I have no idea what the actual content of it is.  What it seems like it is going to be is a defense of greenwald.  Whatever the case may be, when the wind up to the main talking point is criticizing someone for criticizing a "lefty" and calls Krystal ball a "leftist" unironically, I know the the content of the actual article is going to be garbage.  Just trash.

This is a waste of a green.
 
2021-06-23 5:44:55 PM  
You know someone is completely up their own arse and lacking any kind of intellectual rigor or basic intelligence when they "stop reading right there" as soon as they read something that they don't agree with.

Lazy and intellectually bankrupt.
 
2021-06-23 5:53:20 PM  

jethroe: You know someone is completely up their own arse and lacking any kind of intellectual rigor or basic intelligence when they "stop reading right there" as soon as they read something that they don't agree with.

Lazy and intellectually bankrupt.


Sorry I stopped reading right there when I saw your User Name.
 
2021-06-23 5:54:04 PM  

Rozotorical: jethroe: You know someone is completely up their own arse and lacking any kind of intellectual rigor or basic intelligence when they "stop reading right there" as soon as they read something that they don't agree with.

Lazy and intellectually bankrupt.

Sorry I stopped reading right there when I saw your User Name.


I also want to point out. I didn't call him a biatch. Or tell him to go fark himself.

I am growing as a person.
 
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