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(Salon)   "Meet the seven people who hate Pride and Prejudice." Only seven? Subby didn't get interviewed, nor did millions of others who know it's trash   (salon.com) divider line
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2021-06-21 7:16:52 AM  
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2021-06-21 7:28:46 AM  
The only production of Pride and Prejudice I will accept is the 1995 BBC miniseries starring Jennifer Ehle and Colin Firth. I've loved it since the first time I saw it on A&E well over 20 years ago. I eventually bought the DVDs when it wasn't reliably on TV anymore. It's as close to a faithful adaptation of the book as you're going to get, not just because it's six hours long, but because the characters act as they do in the book.

My problem with the 2005 movie is the characterization is all wrong. The Bennets have a horrible marriage in the book. Mr. Bennet is verbally abusive to his wife and dismissive of his children. This kickstarts a number of plot points. In the movie, the exact opposite is shown. That takes away some of the motivation of other characters to behave/speak as they do. Several other characters are grossly mischaracterized, and as someone who's read the book about a hundred times by this point in her life, it made me walk out of the theater before it was even over. They really should have said it was inspired by the book rather than an adaptation of it.

TL;DR - People who say they hate a book should be forced to explain why. Sometimes reading something for pleasure as an adult, at your own pace rather than dictated by your English teacher, can make books enjoyable again.
 
2021-06-21 7:43:28 AM  
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2021-06-21 7:54:39 AM  
I neither love or hate it. The writings of Jane Austin simply don't interest me.
 
2021-06-21 7:58:33 AM  
I even struggled with "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies"
 
2021-06-21 8:13:07 AM  

buntz: I even struggled with "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies"


No.  Pride and Prejudice vs. Predators and Aliens.

Whoever loses, we win.
 
2021-06-21 8:31:04 AM  
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2021-06-21 8:36:11 AM  

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The book was okay but I'd totally forgotten they made a movie out of it.
 
2021-06-21 8:39:10 AM  
Jane Austen was the Stephanie Meyer her day.
 
2021-06-21 8:40:41 AM  
Of. Of her day. Apparently I am the f**king totem of irony.
 
2021-06-21 8:42:37 AM  
Close enough...

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2021-06-21 8:44:04 AM  
For me, this title is stuck in a mental bin along with "Upstairs Downstairs" as crap I definitely did not want to watch as a small child, and it's never escaped.  Also, as far as I am aware, there are no robots or space ships in "Pride and Prejudice".  Adding zombies almost worked but it still sounds too boring.
 
2021-06-21 8:52:18 AM  
Oh boy, am I going to have to white-knight Jane Austen in this thread? I wasn't prepared for that this morning. *Brushes off riding breeches and clears throat for dramatic proposal*

Despite the "marriage plot" being something I'm not usually into, I think her writing shows a high degree of perceptiveness about human nature. Sure, she was writing within the social conventions of her time, but she was also satirizing it in a pretty clever way (it may not read as bold satire through modern eyes, since we're so far removed). Anyway, I've always liked P&P, and found the way it's structured very satisfying. Weird, because I despise rom-coms in general, which have borrowed a lot from Jane Austen. I guess it's partly her writing itself I enjoy.

Maybe I also like that people couldn't speak openly due to the social rules of the time, so everything has to be implied, requiring people to be more artful and clever in how they communicate. Although I'm sure this is exactly the sort of thing other people find insufferable.

/DNRTFA
//  BBC adaptation over Joe Wright version
/// Subby, From the first moment I met you, your arrogance and conceit, your selfish disdain for the feelings of others, made me realize that you were the last man in the world I could ever be prevailed upon to marry!
 
2021-06-21 8:56:13 AM  
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2021-06-21 8:57:44 AM  

buntz: I even struggled with "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies"


I went on a date with someone who was teaching high school english. I knew we weren't a match from her reaction when she saw that book in a bookstore...

/A look of visceral disgust over "Sense and Sensibility and Sea Monsters".
//Never read 'em.
 
2021-06-21 8:58:00 AM  
Lost in Austen is probably my favorite adaptation.
 
2021-06-21 9:07:16 AM  

The English Major: Of. Of her day. Apparently I am the f**king totem of irony.


Name does indeed check out
 
2021-06-21 9:40:08 AM  
Never read the book, but I did play Darcy in a high school play.
 
2021-06-21 9:42:28 AM  

Fursecution: buntz: I even struggled with "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies"

I went on a date with someone who was teaching high school english. I knew we weren't a match from her reaction when she saw that book in a bookstore...

/A look of visceral disgust over "Sense and Sensibility and Sea Monsters".
//Never read 'em.


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this was my favorite.
 
2021-06-21 9:42:34 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Close enough...

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Was this the last act of Manon Lescaut?
 
2021-06-21 9:48:51 AM  

Coco LaFemme: People who say they hate a book should be forced to explain why.


I'll be happy to say why, if forced. My problem is, when I'm giving my reasons, I'm interrupted and rebuked in Full Metal President Bartlett Mode to stand there and be wrong in my wrongness.

/definitely not implying you in doing the rebuke
//never read the book, but the Missus is a big Austen fan
///three slashies -- eh, the miniseries is okay
 
2021-06-21 9:54:15 AM  
It's much better from the inside.

/have you driven a Fforde lately?
 
2021-06-21 9:59:23 AM  

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I enjoyed Pride Prejudice and Zombies much more than I thought.

My daughter's Loved it.
 
2021-06-21 10:05:52 AM  
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2021-06-21 10:07:41 AM  
My minor is in English lit and Victorian literature in general makes me want to vomit. fark you Thomas Hardy, Charles Dickens and anybody the fark named Bronte.

Except you, Oscar Wilde. You're cool.
 
2021-06-21 10:10:47 AM  

likefunbutnot: My minor is in English lit and Victorian literature in general makes me want to vomit. fark you Thomas Hardy, Charles Dickens and anybody the fark named Bronte.

Except you, Oscar Wilde. You're cool.


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Hey now, I rather enjoy the works of Thomas Hardy
 
2021-06-21 10:17:43 AM  
Emma and Persuasion are good. The rest of the books are crap.

/ the hottest of takes.
 
2021-06-21 10:48:46 AM  

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No, A&P's house brand was 'Ann Page'.
 
2021-06-21 10:51:25 AM  

The English Major: Of. Of her day. Apparently I am the f**king totem of irony.


Cheer up.  *Someday* you'll make Colonel!
 
2021-06-21 10:53:21 AM  

fustanella: It's much better from the inside.

/have you driven a Fforde lately?


Thursday sees what you did there.

And, yes, it is *much* better from the inside.
 
2021-06-21 11:37:22 AM  

Private_Citizen: likefunbutnot: My minor is in English lit and Victorian literature in general makes me want to vomit. fark you Thomas Hardy, Charles Dickens and anybody the fark named Bronte.

Except you, Oscar Wilde. You're cool.

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Hey now, I rather enjoy the works of Thomas Hardy


More of a fan of the late Robert Hardy myself.

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You probably know him better as Cornelius Fudge, Minister of Magic from the Harry Potter films.
 
2021-06-21 11:55:39 AM  
I hate that book with an unbridled passion that can only be adequately expressed by devoting my life to learning necromancy, then after decades of study, resurrecting Jane Austen and beating her back to death. Rinse and repeat the resurrection and beating her to death until my arms wear through the sockets in my shoulders.

Then I will resurrect her again, start kicking her to death and will repeat that cycle until my knees have completely worn away.

Finally, after I have destroyed my body in the expression of my hatred for Jane Austen and her book, will I set off a small tactical nuke upon her shattered bones.

Jane Austen is for people who have the emotional maturity of a 14 year old girl...from the 1950s and fervently believe that Hallmark TV specials are true and accurate representations of what real relationships look like.
 
2021-06-21 12:01:27 PM  

Caelistis: I hate that book with an unbridled passion that can only be adequately expressed by devoting my life to learning necromancy, then after decades of study, resurrecting Jane Austen and beating her back to death. Rinse and repeat the resurrection and beating her to death until my arms wear through the sockets in my shoulders.

Then I will resurrect her again, start kicking her to death and will repeat that cycle until my knees have completely worn away.

Finally, after I have destroyed my body in the expression of my hatred for Jane Austen and her book, will I set off a small tactical nuke upon her shattered bones.

Jane Austen is for people who have the emotional maturity of a 14 year old girl...from the 1950s and fervently believe that Hallmark TV specials are true and accurate representations of what real relationships look like.


As I mentioned upthread, Emma and Persuasion are good.

I like Emma because I find most Austen books insufferable, and it reads like and extended take-down of Austen... by Austen.

Persuasion is a short novel that's believed to have been in a late draft stage at the time of her death, and hadn't yet received her final "punch-up" edits, which edits must have been when she added all the "gee aren't I clever LOL" garbage to her other books because that's mostly absent in this one, and, as a result, it doesn't suck. Being short doesn't hurt.
 
2021-06-21 12:08:24 PM  
I think the reason a lot of people hate Austen novels is that they're taught that they are 'classics' and approach them as if that's how they were written. Which isn't the case at all.

They were just stories... usually along the lines of 'young adults are really horny and do stupid things because they are horny for each other, but society has arbitrary rules for expressing that horniness'.  The reason they're considered 'classics' is because of the universality of that theme, and it's extremely easy for people more than two centuries later to identify with the story.  That and being a woman author writing about horny young adults was kind of an unusual thing in the 18th century.

/see also anything by Murasaki Shikibu
//horny young adults finding ways around societal rules to boink might be the single most universal theme ever
 
2021-06-21 12:08:37 PM  
I don't hate it, I've just never had the slightest inclination to open this or any of Austen's books.

ex GF was an LM Montgomery fanatic though so there was a LOT of Anne crap instead
 
2021-06-21 12:15:38 PM  
I read the original book and it was kind of boring. I mean, people wrote slower in those days.
 
2021-06-21 12:52:34 PM  

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Too much Pride and Prejudice, not enough zombies.  Couldn't finish the book.
 
2021-06-21 1:01:43 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Sometimes reading something for pleasure as an adult, at your own pace rather than dictated by your English teacher, can make books enjoyable again.


This times eleventy.

I spent years thinking Dickens was a misogynistic alcoholic hack who wrote pretentious humorless gibberish. It turned out that was just my high school's English Department.

Don't get me started on math teachers, I think they're all huge Edith Wharton fans.
 
2021-06-21 2:31:30 PM  
Austin lived at a time when the world was embroiled in war, when England was fully mobilized and under continuous threat, when everyone she knew was aware of that ongoing cataclysm or directly participating, and she totally ignored it.
 
2021-06-21 2:38:33 PM  

red5ish: Austin lived at a time when the world was embroiled in war, when England was fully mobilized and under continuous threat, when everyone she knew was aware of that ongoing cataclysm or directly participating, and she totally ignored it.


When hasn't the World been embroiled in war?
 
2021-06-21 2:40:11 PM  

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Keep Austen weird.
 
2021-06-21 3:25:03 PM  
I have no publishable opinion about the people who don't like the book. As for the movie adaptations, the 1940 version has Melville Cooper as Mr. Collins and Edna May Oliver as Lady Catherine de Bourgh. Such grace. Such condescension.
 
2021-06-21 9:08:16 PM  
"I haven't any right to criticize books, and I don't do it except when I hate them. I often want to criticize Jane Austen, but her books madden me so that I can't conceal my frenzy from the reader; and therefore I have to stop every time I begin. Every time I read 'Pride and Prejudice' I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone.""

-Mark Twain
 
2021-06-21 9:09:14 PM  
Ooops, probably should have RTFA.
 
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2021-06-21 10:50:39 PM  

likefunbutnot: My minor is in English lit and Victorian literature in general makes me want to vomit. fark you Thomas Hardy, Charles Dickens and anybody the fark named Bronte.

Except you, Oscar Wilde. You're cool.


English major myself. Austen isn't Victorian, but was in the Regency period, which might be why I didn't dislike having to read her works in school. It is strange to compare her to the Romantics who were writing at the same time, but she is pretty much not considered to be a part of that movement. Compare Pride and Prejudice to Frankenstein or Confessions of an English Opium Eater. Very different styles of writing.

Victorian lit is such a slag to get through in part because of the way they were published. When someone jokingly says someone must have been paid by the word, in most of the Victorian novels, the authors were basically paid by the word. They serialized chapters in the magazines and the papers of the time. They would get an agreement to produce a fixed volume of print for each edition. In many cases, the works were not complete when they started printing the first chapters. We all know how brilliant and coherent a movie can be when they start filming before the script is complete. They can get the JJ Abrams treatment. Hey I have a great idea to kickoff, it's not complete, but I'm sure my brilliance will figure it out before we need to wrap it up.
 
2021-06-22 5:00:59 AM  
Anyway, Jane Austen wasn't some Victorian romance novelist--because she didn't live to see the Victorian era, nor was she at all a romantic or sentimental. Her novels aren't epics dealing with social and political issues of the day, and so what? It's a complaint not just in this thread. But one I've seen before and I can never understand why it always gets thrown solely her way, when plenty of authors do it.

I am sorry to those who were forced to read her, especially in high school.

The way Twain felt about Austen is the way I feel about Wuthering Heights.

I do think it's funny that someone so snarky is disliked on here so much--if she were around today, she'd have a TF account and make fun of Dickens, the Brontes and Bridgerton whenever she could. And I'd think she'd like Mark Twain.
 
2021-06-22 8:59:56 AM  

Small Town Misfit: Anyway, Jane Austen wasn't some Victorian romance novelist--because she didn't live to see the Victorian era, nor was she at all a romantic or sentimental. Her novels aren't epics dealing with social and political issues of the day, and so what? It's a complaint not just in this thread. But one I've seen before and I can never understand why it always gets thrown solely her way, when plenty of authors do it.

I am sorry to those who were forced to read her, especially in high school.

The way Twain felt about Austen is the way I feel about Wuthering Heights.

I do think it's funny that someone so snarky is disliked on here so much--if she were around today, she'd have a TF account and make fun of Dickens, the Brontes and Bridgerton whenever she could. And I'd think she'd like Mark Twain.


Have you tried the semaphore version of Wuthering Heights?
 
2021-06-22 11:43:16 AM  

amb: likefunbutnot: My minor is in English lit and Victorian literature in general makes me want to vomit. fark you Thomas Hardy, Charles Dickens and anybody the fark named Bronte.

Except you, Oscar Wilde. You're cool.

English major myself. Austen isn't Victorian, but was in the Regency period, which might be why I didn't dislike having to read her works in school. It is strange to compare her to the Romantics who were writing at the same time, but she is pretty much not considered to be a part of that movement. Compare Pride and Prejudice to Frankenstein or Confessions of an English Opium Eater. Very different styles of writing.

Victorian lit is such a slag to get through in part because of the way they were published. When someone jokingly says someone must have been paid by the word, in most of the Victorian novels, the authors were basically paid by the word. They serialized chapters in the magazines and the papers of the time. They would get an agreement to produce a fixed volume of print for each edition. In many cases, the works were not complete when they started printing the first chapters. We all know how brilliant and coherent a movie can be when they start filming before the script is complete. They can get the JJ Abrams treatment. Hey I have a great idea to kickoff, it's not complete, but I'm sure my brilliance will figure it out before we need to wrap it up.


Thomas Hardy is our 2nd greatest tragedian. Yes, the books are almost insanely unrealistic, but they have an amazing power. His poetry is even better. James Joyce once hysterically listed Hardy's faults, but you don't judge anything by its faults but by its virtues.

The 19th century did love to go on. Huge canvases. 70 minute symphonies. Interminable novels. The Ring and the Book. The Prelude. The Excursion. The Idylls of the King. Thomas Hardy even wrote a novel in verse (The Dynasts) about Napoleon. I'm the only person I know who has even heard of it, and I've only read a page. The Palliser novels. The Chronicles of Barsetshire.  The 19th century believed in a world where we all had the time to dawdle over Great Art. Now, we use art as Novocaine.

Austen wrote 3 beautiful novels and 3 very good ones. They're as lovely as a manicured garden. There are few characters more rounded then Emma Woodhouse or Elizabeth Bennet. Fewer better realized secondary characters than Mr. Bennet or Mr. Collins. And Mr. Collins is one of the great comic monsters in literature. It's a big world. Don't read them if you don't like them.
 
2021-06-22 4:15:23 PM  
Pride and Prejudice and Poochie.
 
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