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(Medical Xpress)   Beans, beans, good for your heart / Beans, beans, biological links between red meat and colorectal cancer have been established which will make it less fun to fart   (medicalxpress.com) divider line
    More: Followup, Cancer, Mutation, DNA, colorectal cancer, red meat, specific patterns of DNA damage, journal Cancer Discovery, Colorectal cancer  
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2021-06-20 8:25:52 AM  
There has been some other recent work that shows that Nitrogen related compounds are related to colorectal but they were looking at the pollution related issues.  It could be that the way meat is cooked could be causing part of the problem.
 
2021-06-20 9:10:46 AM  
Well, that's interesting.

//Puts down roast beef sandwich...
 
2021-06-20 9:34:11 AM  

DON.MAC: There has been some other recent work that shows that Nitrogen related compounds are related to colorectal but they were looking at the pollution related issues.  It could be that the way meat is cooked could be causing part of the problem.


Sous vide in a nitrogen bath?
 
2021-06-20 9:54:58 AM  
Oh crap.
 
2021-06-20 11:25:35 AM  
Everything kills you.  Even water.
 
2021-06-20 11:38:07 AM  

italie: Well, that's interesting.

//Puts down roast beef sandwich...


*yoink*
 
2021-06-20 11:39:06 AM  
We eat loads of beans in our house, and not much meat. Having said that, today is Father's day, so I'm grilling burgers and topping them with bacon.
Gotta treat yourself sometimes.
 
2021-06-20 11:41:06 AM  
 
2021-06-20 11:57:19 AM  
Eating less red meat is standard medical advice for preventing colorectal cancer, but the way it causes cells to mutate has remained unclear, and not all experts were convinced there was a strong link.

First goddamned paragraph.
 
2021-06-20 12:33:54 PM  

FormlessOne: Eating less red meat is standard medical advice for preventing colorectal cancer, but the way it causes cells to mutate has remained unclear, and not all experts were convinced there was a strong link.

First goddamned paragraph.


That means previously to this study. Read on, and you see they are providing the plausible checmical reactions so that the cause is no longer unclear.
 
2021-06-20 12:36:12 PM  
FTA:"With red meat, there are chemicals that can cause alkylation," explained Giannakis.

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2021-06-20 12:43:02 PM  

italie: Well, that's interesting.

//Puts down roast beef sandwich...


Now if the beans have pesticides on them.....

All bets are off.
 
2021-06-20 12:45:11 PM  

FormlessOne: Eating less red meat is standard medical advice for preventing colorectal cancer, but the way it causes cells to mutate has remained unclear, and not all experts were convinced there was a strong link.

First goddamned paragraph.


Cows have had it in for us a long time.

Maybe its payback for penning them up.
 
2021-06-20 12:46:35 PM  
Whelp. No more Arby's for me.
 
2021-06-20 12:51:01 PM  
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2021-06-20 12:56:18 PM  

kukukupo: Everything kills you.  Even water.


Ya I don't know why people even try to be healthy.
 
2021-06-20 1:21:58 PM  

SMB2811: kukukupo: Everything kills you.  Even water.

Ya I don't know why people even try to be healthy.

"Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing." - Red Foxx

 
2021-06-20 1:25:06 PM  

kukukupo: Everything kills you.  Even water.


Water should not surprise you.  Especially when you think of all the crap we put into the air, land, and water.  And the amount we have to treat it to make it potable.
 
2021-06-20 1:36:26 PM  

SMB2811: kukukupo: Everything kills you.  Even water.

Ya I don't know why people even try to be healthy.


Because the differences don't require even an intro to statistics to understand and are measurable in decades?  Can be seen with the naked eye?  Any experience ever with other human beings suffering the ill effects of some of the possible outcomes?

Look, I'm a fat bastard.  I have two inch and a half thick ribeye dry brining in the fridge right now, and I live alone.  I'm hopeful that your comment was sarcastic, but overall this is the most assinine bit of boomer humor regularly regurgitated by people who clearly have never had any other problems with regurgitation in their lives.
 
2021-06-20 1:46:54 PM  
Welp i guess i need to stop the daily brisket puree enemas.
 
2021-06-20 1:54:25 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Whelp. No more Arby's for me.


Sir, this is an Arby's.
 
2021-06-20 1:58:33 PM  
High levels of tumor alkylation damage were only seen among patients eating on average more than 150 grams (five ounces) a day, roughly equal to two or more servings.

That's a lot of red meat. If you're taking in that much every day cancer is probably just on a list of other problems you've got.
 
2021-06-20 2:18:35 PM  

Reverend J: High levels of tumor alkylation damage were only seen among patients eating on average more than 150 grams (five ounces) a day, roughly equal to two or more servings.

That's a lot of red meat. If you're taking in that much every day cancer is probably just on a list of other problems you've got.


Yeah, I'm a meat eating bastard, but it's rare I eat beef more than once or twice a week. Same with bacon. And I get the no nitrates stuff. I eat a fark-ton of chicken, and eat pork and fish at about the same rate as beef.
 
2021-06-20 3:04:17 PM  
Cow-orker is a Jordan Peterson nut, from the politics, to the diet of nothing but: Beef; Salt; and Water.  He's been doing this awhile.  I figure he has about 5 years to live.
 
2021-06-20 3:56:53 PM  

nomdeplum: Welp i guess i need to stop the daily brisket puree enemas.


Now hold on there, Mister Melodrama. Be reasonable.
 
2021-06-20 4:00:52 PM  
Eh, not like this is news to anyone who's been paying attention to their health.  Yeah, the link to cancer is more clearly defined now, but we've long known that a meat-heavy diet (which usually implies plant-light) isn't healthy.

Not likely to sway many people to change their diets, any more than the link between obesity and heart disease has swayed many people to lose weight.
 
2021-06-20 4:06:49 PM  

kukukupo: Everything kills you.  Even water.


This.  I'm going to go ahead and enjoy my life, even if that means my life ends up being a few years shorter.
 
2021-06-20 5:26:37 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Whelp. No more Arby's for me.


Sir, this is an Arby's.
 
2021-06-20 5:27:47 PM  

Conservative Evangelical Millennial Cyclist: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Whelp. No more Arby's for me.

Sir, this is an Arby's.


*tiny fist*
 
2021-06-20 5:47:54 PM  

The Crepes of Wrath: Eh, not like this is news to anyone who's been paying attention to their health.  Yeah, the link to cancer is more clearly defined now, but we've long known that a meat-heavy diet (which usually implies plant-light) isn't healthy.

Not likely to sway many people to change their diets, any more than the link between obesity and heart disease has swayed many people to lose weight.


Hail Hydra.
 
2021-06-20 9:34:21 PM  
Wait!  Hasn't this been known for decades?
 
2021-06-20 10:04:35 PM  

lilbjorn: Wait!  Hasn't this been known for decades?


Yes, we've known for a long time that there has been a strong correlation between consuming red meat and getting colon cancer.  But what we haven't known is exactly how red meat causes colon cancer.  TFA is about researchers who believe they have figured that out, which is important in both treating and preventing it.
 
2021-06-21 4:07:40 AM  

Reverend J: High levels of tumor alkylation damage were only seen among patients eating on average more than 150 grams (five ounces) a day, roughly equal to two or more servings.

That's a lot of red meat. If you're taking in that much every day cancer is probably just on a list of other problems you've got.


Most steakhouses run 10-14 ounces for a steak...  5oz is not "a lot of red meat" - that might be a single hamburger...

//

That aside, the same people that don't GAF about red meat being "bad for you" are also the same ppl that don't GAF about nitrates, nitrites, and heavily processed meats as well.  I'm not saying red meat is innocent - but just because someone had some whisky before blowing their brains out doesn't mean they died of alcoholism.

/sorry, that got dark
 
2021-06-21 4:38:40 AM  

makerofbadjokes: Reverend J: High levels of tumor alkylation damage were only seen among patients eating on average more than 150 grams (five ounces) a day, roughly equal to two or more servings.

That's a lot of red meat. If you're taking in that much every day cancer is probably just on a list of other problems you've got.

Most steakhouses run 10-14 ounces for a steak...  5oz is not "a lot of red meat" - that might be a single hamburger...

//

That aside, the same people that don't GAF about red meat being "bad for you" are also the same ppl that don't GAF about nitrates, nitrites, and heavily processed meats as well.  I'm not saying red meat is innocent - but just because someone had some whisky before blowing their brains out doesn't mean they died of alcoholism.

/sorry, that got dark


It's talking about 5 ounces per day on average.  Most people aren't eating at a steak house multiple times a week, and certainly not every day.  Also, when you order a 14 oz steak you won't be consuming 14 oz of beef, some of that weight is fat that is not going to be eaten.  Unless it's a filet mingion, but that's why you rarely see those more than 6 to 8 ounces.
 
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