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2021-06-19 10:43:33 PM  
Yeah.....no.

Plus, she was the worst part of Spider-Man.
 
2021-06-19 11:21:25 PM  
Err.

Macy, I'm dumb.  I'd need to see a picture...
 
2021-06-19 11:26:47 PM  
it sounds crazy, but for quite a while the sight of our current flag has made me nervous.
 
2021-06-19 11:31:27 PM  
In other news, Macy Gray is 53. And she's younger than me.

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2021-06-19 11:33:52 PM  

nburghmatt: it sounds crazy, but for quite a while the sight of our current flag has made me nervous.


You'll get over it.
 
2021-06-19 11:39:41 PM  
Gray argued that the flag should include 52 stars, D.C. and Puerto Rico among them - which she noted have been lobbying for statehood for decades.

I'm down with this and would add we have other territories that need inclusion, too, or at least the option for statehood.

- American Samoa, pop 46,400
- Guam, pop 168,800
- Northern Mariana, pop 51,700
- US Virgin Islands, pop 105,600

Those are our countrymen without representation in our government.
 
2021-06-19 11:41:32 PM  

Kris_Romm: Err.

Macy, I'm dumb.  I'd need to see a picture...


If you look at her actual Op Ed, there is one.
 
2021-06-19 11:45:32 PM  
There already is a flag that represents all of us.

Macy Gray didn't have anything to do with it.  So, she's butt hurt.

15 minutes is over in this century. Wal-Mart is hiring.
 
2021-06-19 11:47:45 PM  

The_Sponge: nburghmatt: it sounds crazy, but for quite a while the sight of our current flag has made me nervous.

You'll get over it.


it's not very important anyway, flags.
 
2021-06-19 11:48:30 PM  

nburghmatt: it sounds crazy, but for quite a while the sight of our current flag has made me nervous.


You must be a self loathing white man.
 
2021-06-19 11:49:12 PM  

nburghmatt: The_Sponge: nburghmatt: it sounds crazy, but for quite a while the sight of our current flag has made me nervous.

You'll get over it.

it's not very important anyway, flags.


If it's not important, why did it make you nervous?
 
2021-06-19 11:54:47 PM  
The U.S. flag has been hijacked. It no longer represents all of us. It no longer represents democracy and freedom.

So we take it back, then. Or any other possible solution that doesn't include this hideous mess:

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2021-06-19 11:57:50 PM  
The flag isn't the problem. It's the people who wrap themselves in it that are the problem.
 
2021-06-20 12:08:06 AM  
To be fair, anytime I see someone enthusiastically displaying the flag now, I think there's a fair chance the person has a collection of Nazi memorabilia too. Authoritarians (and their simps) are great at taking symbols and icons, then smearing their shat philosophies so deeply into them that you can't see one without thinking of the other.
 
2021-06-20 12:08:07 AM  
Speaking of flags...

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2021-06-20 12:08:07 AM  
I'm holding out for Lou Bega's input.
 
2021-06-20 12:10:17 AM  

nburghmatt: it sounds crazy, but for quite a while the sight of our current flag has made me nervous.


No, fascism typically drapes itself in national traditions, including national symbols.  They have that kind of corrupting tendency and will also claim they have a unique heritage to that symbol, usually claiming their ability to defend some kind of national ideal or past.

Emblems are like any kind of decoration.  It's okay to take them down and change them when their time has passed.
 
2021-06-20 12:14:15 AM  
One it would never fly right now.

Two let's focus on the problems and not a farking flag.
 
2021-06-20 12:18:13 AM  

Skeleton Man: The U.S. flag has been hijacked. It no longer represents all of us. It no longer represents democracy and freedom.

So we take it back, then. Or any other possible solution that doesn't include this hideous mess:

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Someone's been surfing /r/vexillologycirclejerk.
 
2021-06-20 12:34:08 AM  
The stars need to be all our skin colors, because having them white is racist. Stars aren't actually whi...um...look, I want a new flag and I want to look important while I get it.
 
2021-06-20 12:38:42 AM  
If she wants to change the flag to better represent today's America, we need one like this:

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2021-06-20 12:53:16 AM  
I try to sew a flag and I choke...
 
2021-06-20 1:22:55 AM  
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2021-06-20 1:53:19 AM  

nburghmatt: it sounds crazy, but for quite a while the sight of our current flag has made me nervous.


Be sure to check under your bed before you go to sleep tonight. I've heard Republicans like to hide under there.
 
2021-06-20 2:08:23 AM  

WhippingBoi: nburghmatt: it sounds crazy, but for quite a while the sight of our current flag has made me nervous.

Be sure to check under your bed before you go to sleep tonight. I've heard Republicans like to hide under there.


they don't bother to hide anymore, clearly.
 
2021-06-20 2:28:30 AM  
Gilbert Baker beat her to it. 🏳🌈
 
2021-06-20 3:23:54 AM  

kyleaugustus: Gray argued that the flag should include 52 stars, D.C. and Puerto Rico among them - which she noted have been lobbying for statehood for decades.

I'm down with this and would add we have other territories that need inclusion, too, or at least the option for statehood.

- American Samoa, pop 46,400
- Guam, pop 168,800
- Northern Mariana, pop 51,700
- US Virgin Islands, pop 105,600

Those are our countrymen without representation in our government.


Actual representation before symbolic capitalization and empty empathy.

/sorta rican
 
2021-06-20 5:28:31 AM  
I think we should hold off on a flag redesign until AFTER this nation has officially split into two or more separate nations (Trumplandia and whatever the rest decide to call themselves).

Fun fact:  I went to grade school with Macy Gray for a couple years.  Her name was Natalie McIntyre back then.  She was very quiet and shy as I recall.
 
2021-06-20 5:46:21 AM  
South Park did it

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2021-06-20 6:03:57 AM  

nburghmatt: it's not very important anyway, flags.


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2021-06-20 6:04:22 AM  
I just can't see her being Bruce Banner's girlfriend.
 
2021-06-20 6:20:39 AM  

Kris_Romm: Err.

Macy, I'm dumb.  I'd need to see a picture...


Her biggest hit.

Macy Gray - I Try (Official Video)
Youtube WEQ0l_m3Xm0
 
2021-06-20 7:23:05 AM  
Why you gotta be like Betsy Ross, paintin' farking trees all the time like that?
 
2021-06-20 8:23:00 AM  
"I am a sex-o-matic venus freak when I'm with you
And I will stop it only when you tell me to
I am the automatic easy freak all over you
And I will stop it only when you tell me to."

- Betsy Ross, probably
 
2021-06-20 8:34:25 AM  

KRSESQ: The flag isn't the problem. It's the people who wrap themselves in it that are the problem.


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2021-06-20 10:07:15 AM  
WOKE AF!
 
2021-06-20 10:16:10 AM  
She'd like to be a person whose family claims she made a flag when there is precisely zero contemporary evidence to support it?

I'm OK with that.

/Actually own a 13 star American flag.
//At least it was made in India, not China.
 
2021-06-20 10:17:58 AM  

bostonguy: Kris_Romm: Err.

Macy, I'm dumb.  I'd need to see a picture...

Her biggest hit.

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Also

Fatboy Slim - Demons (Ft. Macy Gray) [Official HD Video]
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2021-06-20 10:19:35 AM  
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f*ckin' flag hags...
 
2021-06-20 10:25:11 AM  

PlanckSnail: To be fair, anytime I see someone enthusiastically displaying the flag now, I think there's a fair chance the person has a collection of Nazi memorabilia too. Authoritarians (and their simps) are great at taking symbols and icons, then smearing their shat philosophies so deeply into them that you can't see one without thinking of the other.



That is probably the most unconsciously ironic statement I think I have ever seen on Fark, and that's really saying something.

I'm *SURE* you don't see that you're doing the exact same thing you're railing against, smearing a shiat philosophy deeply into a symbol (but in a negative, not positive way) and making inferences on the people who display it solely based upon that.

I didn't know they make brushes that wide, man.  Did you have yours custom made?
 
2021-06-20 10:26:57 AM  

nburghmatt: it sounds crazy, but for quite a while the sight of our current flag has made me nervous.


It literally is crazy.  Go and seek help, you need it.  You need to leave whatever political cult you're in.
 
2021-06-20 10:36:07 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: KRSESQ: The flag isn't the problem. It's the people who wrap themselves in it that are the problem.

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To be fair, somebody else wrapped those people up in the flags.
 
2021-06-20 10:41:10 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: KRSESQ: The flag isn't the problem. It's the people who wrap themselves in it that are the problem.

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Those people didn't wrap themselves in anything, unless the Army's got a zombie problem we need to know about.
 
2021-06-20 11:01:43 AM  

dittybopper: nburghmatt: it sounds crazy, but for quite a while the sight of our current flag has made me nervous.

It literally is crazy.  Go and seek help, you need it.  You need to leave whatever political cult you're in.


have you been seeing the kind of people who carry that thing?
 
2021-06-20 12:04:23 PM  

dittybopper: PlanckSnail: To be fair, anytime I see someone enthusiastically displaying the flag now, I think there's a fair chance the person has a collection of Nazi memorabilia too. Authoritarians (and their simps) are great at taking symbols and icons, then smearing their shat philosophies so deeply into them that you can't see one without thinking of the other.


That is probably the most unconsciously ironic statement I think I have ever seen on Fark, and that's really saying something.

I'm *SURE* you don't see that you're doing the exact same thing you're railing against, smearing a shiat philosophy deeply into a symbol (but in a negative, not positive way) and making inferences on the people who display it solely based upon that.

I didn't know they make brushes that wide, man.  Did you have yours custom made?


The swaztika would like to have a word with you about it's original meaning in various cultures. Same goes for just about any Scandinavian, Slavic, and Germanic mythological statements. Hell, the okay/"ha ha, you looked" symbol has been transformed, just by some 4/chan trolls.

But somehow, the American flag is magically immune to being appropriated by a-holes... the same way the United States is immune from becoming a failed democracy, I suppose.
 
2021-06-20 12:23:49 PM  
i said i get nervous. suspicious is more accurate.
 
2021-06-20 12:46:10 PM  
Basically everything she said was wrong or a gross misunderstanding. e.g. she's against the current flag because it was designed by a 17yr old in 1959 for a school project... he added 2 stars to the existing flag - that's hardly a design so much as updating the flag with 2 more stars to include alaska and hawaii... (but big props to the set designers on The Marvelous Ms Maisel for getting the 48 star flag right for the time period. there was a narrow couple month window they were working with, and they nailed it.)

And you want the starts to represent our skin tones? sweet, let's round up... 9 tan ones (hell yeah mis hermanos), uh... only 7 black ones, oh crap... 3 yellow ones, shiat... only 1 red one, and - fark - 30 white ones. Yep, let that sink in. Talk about a constant reminder - I'd rather see the union with 50 white stars over being constantly reminded  of the percentage I'm in. I can't imagine how hurtful it would be for natives (which most of us latinos can trace ourselves back to anyway - apache and spanish settlers over here) to look up at the flag and see that one lonely star to represent all the marginalized tribes in their native land...

And yeah, as kyleaugustus pointed out, 52 stars ain't gonna do it. So she's trying to be inclusive, but showing absolute ignorance in doing so. Also, scratch puerto rico off the list because they only say they want statehood in the polls and primaries, but are against it when it matters. They don't have an overwhelming majority who are pushing for statehood, and the recent push has been in non-binding referendums, last i checked. And the puertorriqueños I've known were happy to not be a state.

for crying out farking loud, if you want to take your political ideas from a celebrity, find one who has some understanding of reality and didn't sleep through civics class...
 
2021-06-20 12:50:41 PM  

nburghmatt: i said i get nervous. suspicious is more accurate.


And that's exactly it. Not everyone who treats the flag like it's a Gucci logo is necessarily a jerkass. But the percentage of angry, violent, and nationalistically brainwashed Righties who plaster it on everything is extremely high.

In many countries, flying your own country's flag for seemingly no reason (meaning it's not a holiday, special event, etc.) is at least viewed as tacky. If you drive around England you don't see many people spamming the Union Jack everywhere, or see the Circle of the Sun all over Japan. Flying your own country's flag, while you're in that country, is basically the IRL version of liking your own social media posts.
 
2021-06-20 12:52:20 PM  

ThatGuyOverThere: Basically everything she said was wrong or a gross misunderstanding. e.g. she's against the current flag because it was designed by a 17yr old in 1959 for a school project... he added 2 stars to the existing flag - that's hardly a design so much as updating the flag with 2 more stars to include alaska and hawaii... (but big props to the set designers on The Marvelous Ms Maisel for getting the 48 star flag right for the time period. there was a narrow couple month window they were working with, and they nailed it.)

And you want the starts to represent our skin tones? sweet, let's round up... 9 tan ones (hell yeah mis hermanos), uh... only 7 black ones, oh crap... 3 yellow ones, shiat... only 1 red one, and - fark - 30 white ones. Yep, let that sink in. Talk about a constant reminder - I'd rather see the union with 50 white stars over being constantly reminded  of the percentage I'm in. I can't imagine how hurtful it would be for natives (which most of us latinos can trace ourselves back to anyway - apache and spanish settlers over here) to look up at the flag and see that one lonely star to represent all the marginalized tribes in their native land...

And yeah, as kyleaugustus pointed out, 52 stars ain't gonna do it. So she's trying to be inclusive, but showing absolute ignorance in doing so. Also, scratch puerto rico off the list because they only say they want statehood in the polls and primaries, but are against it when it matters. They don't have an overwhelming majority who are pushing for statehood, and the recent push has been in non-binding referendums, last i checked. And the puertorriqueños I've known were happy to not be a state.

for crying out farking loud, if you want to take your political ideas from a celebrity, find one who has some understanding of reality and didn't sleep through civics class...


She was stoned.  Not asleep.
 
2021-06-20 12:53:16 PM  

PlanckSnail: In many countries, flying your own country's flag for seemingly no reason (meaning it's not a holiday, special event, etc.) is at least viewed as tacky.


why are you speaking so poorly of my proud Chicano culture? don't shame me for being proud of where I come from. I don't appreciate your intolerance
 
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