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(CBC)   Finally some bipartisanship: The "Blame Canada" edition   (cbc.ca) divider line
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2021-06-18 8:48:12 PM  
Invasion U.S.A.
 
2021-06-18 8:58:44 PM  
How the hell would that even work?
Crossing into Canada you're talking to Canadian Customs officers (CBSA), they decide who enters, not the CBP.
 
2021-06-18 9:07:56 PM  
Dear yanks, unilaterally blow it oot yer arse.
Kisses,
Canuckistan
 
2021-06-18 9:56:32 PM  
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2021-06-18 10:07:51 PM  
Members of Congress urge Biden to reopen border unilaterally

Yeah... that's not how borders work
 
2021-06-18 10:38:59 PM  
Canada doesn't have near the vaccination rate we do and they have to worry about unvaccinated assholes in the U.S. coming over.
 
2021-06-18 11:02:43 PM  

shastacola: Canada doesn't have near the vaccination rate we do and they have to worry about unvaccinated assholes in the U.S. coming over.


Also the US is having a spike in the semi vaccine resistant Delta variant.

I don't want that bullsh*t exploding up here too.
 
2021-06-18 11:08:08 PM  
At this rate, the border will open in 2120.
 
2021-06-18 11:32:26 PM  
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2021-06-18 11:34:00 PM  

shastacola: Canada doesn't have near the vaccination rate we do and they have to worry about unvaccinated assholes in the U.S. coming over.


On one hand, they could just mandate vaccinations to come over. On the other, I'm pretty sure a lot of other countries still don't trust us thanks to last year.

/hell, I'm surprised the EU was okay with letting us visit again.
 
2021-06-19 1:32:47 AM  

ArkAngel: Members of Congress urge Biden to reopen border unilaterally

Yeah... that's not how borders work


Just wait until next week, when Mexico decides unilaterally to open up its northern border.
 
2021-06-19 1:45:58 AM  
Time to build a wall.
 
2021-06-19 1:55:35 AM  

shpritz: Time to build a wall.


Naw. We just need to start a civilian border patrol militia.

We can call them the "All Night Long Men".
 
2021-06-19 2:10:23 AM  
Why would any True American care about access to a Socialist (Communist) country like Canada?

You're not even allowed to bravely "conceal carry" when you shop at WalMart here.
 
2021-06-19 2:13:12 AM  

shastacola: Canada doesn't have near the vaccination rate we do and they have to worry about unvaccinated assholes in the U.S. coming over.


66% of Canadians currently have at least one dose of the vaccine, compared to 52% of Americans.  Granted, America is ahead on the percentage that's fully vaccinated by about 44% to 15%, but Canada is quickly catching up on that too.

But you are right about having to worry about unvaccinated assholes.
 
2021-06-19 2:14:39 AM  
Members of Congress urge Biden to reopen border unilaterally


hmm guess we would need more troop around the borders so we call back everybody in charge of the Radar's closing down Norad in the meanwhile, until the situation is over.
 
2021-06-19 2:37:17 AM  
As an American from a border state I understand. Thanks for Colin Mochrie.
 
2021-06-19 2:37:18 AM  
Interesting that Ted Cruz didn't sign on to this. He's more of a Mexico guy since he renounced his Canadian citizenship back in 2014

That's back when he thought he had a shot at being President in 2016 but then Trump called his wife ugly and this happened

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2021-06-19 3:06:45 AM  
Biden "missed a huge opportunity at the G7 summit to stand up for America and deliver a plan to safely reopen," Stefanik said in a statement Friday. "Instead, caving to Prime Minister Trudeau's incessant desire to delay."

I don't know the first thing about Canadian politics but I'm guessing it's fairly different to US politics in that perhaps voters vote on policy rather than personality issues - but that's just a guess.

Here in Australia where COVID rules have largely been applied at state rather than federal level, every state election which has been held since COVID began has been easily won by the incumbants, no matter how "harsh" the COVID measures were, because we've been relatively successful in avoiding community COVID transmissions and the measures have been deemed successful. Voters have rewarded that success. In Western Australia a few months ago the Liberal Party opposition were nearly wiped out despite having been in government only a couple of terms prior, and for a majority of the last 20 years. This was despite that state having closed borders for many months which was unpopular with some. In Tasmania the Liberal Party retained government, which didn't look too likely a couple of years ago but the COVID factor was again strong for them.

If Canadian politics work more like Australian politics than US politics then Trudeau is on a winner electorally by delaying and "protecting" Canadians from COVID risks. But that's an 'if' I don't know the accuracy of, someone else is going to have to judge that.
 
2021-06-19 3:49:45 AM  

shastacola: Canada doesn't have near the vaccination rate we do and they have to worry about unvaccinated assholes in the U.S. coming over.


Yes, and while we're not that far behind now, it just so happens that a lot of your border adjacent areas are heavily anti-vax.
 
2021-06-19 3:53:48 AM  

Aussie_As: Biden "missed a huge opportunity at the G7 summit to stand up for America and deliver a plan to safely reopen," Stefanik said in a statement Friday. "Instead, caving to Prime Minister Trudeau's incessant desire to delay."

I don't know the first thing about Canadian politics but I'm guessing it's fairly different to US politics in that perhaps voters vote on policy rather than personality issues - but that's just a guess.

Here in Australia where COVID rules have largely been applied at state rather than federal level, every state election which has been held since COVID began has been easily won by the incumbants, no matter how "harsh" the COVID measures were, because we've been relatively successful in avoiding community COVID transmissions and the measures have been deemed successful. Voters have rewarded that success. In Western Australia a few months ago the Liberal Party opposition were nearly wiped out despite having been in government only a couple of terms prior, and for a majority of the last 20 years. This was despite that state having closed borders for many months which was unpopular with some. In Tasmania the Liberal Party retained government, which didn't look too likely a couple of years ago but the COVID factor was again strong for them.

If Canadian politics work more like Australian politics than US politics then Trudeau is on a winner electorally by delaying and "protecting" Canadians from COVID risks. But that's an 'if' I don't know the accuracy of, someone else is going to have to judge that.


Yeah, it's mostly policy driven.  Personalities do play into it, but frequently that's more of a party level issue rather than electoral.
 
2021-06-19 3:56:31 AM  
One thing missing from the article is that Canada wanted a verifiable (so people can't just use a card they printed online) way to tell if someone had been vaccinated, and that the states were looking into that.

Also, the states say "we'll open the border!" I mean... can they put a grown up on the phone? Someone who knows how borders work?
 
2021-06-19 5:19:53 AM  
Just wrench em open and jam it right in there whether they want it or not.

America, the rapey country.
 
2021-06-19 6:00:15 AM  
I'm disappointed no one appreciated my Minutemen joke.

jerks
 
2021-06-19 6:29:55 AM  

Mike_1962: Aussie_As: Biden "missed a huge opportunity at the G7 summit to stand up for America and deliver a plan to safely reopen," Stefanik said in a statement Friday. "Instead, caving to Prime Minister Trudeau's incessant desire to delay."

I don't know the first thing about Canadian politics but I'm guessing it's fairly different to US politics in that perhaps voters vote on policy rather than personality issues - but that's just a guess.

Here in Australia where COVID rules have largely been applied at state rather than federal level, every state election which has been held since COVID began has been easily won by the incumbants, no matter how "harsh" the COVID measures were, because we've been relatively successful in avoiding community COVID transmissions and the measures have been deemed successful. Voters have rewarded that success. In Western Australia a few months ago the Liberal Party opposition were nearly wiped out despite having been in government only a couple of terms prior, and for a majority of the last 20 years. This was despite that state having closed borders for many months which was unpopular with some. In Tasmania the Liberal Party retained government, which didn't look too likely a couple of years ago but the COVID factor was again strong for them.

If Canadian politics work more like Australian politics than US politics then Trudeau is on a winner electorally by delaying and "protecting" Canadians from COVID risks. But that's an 'if' I don't know the accuracy of, someone else is going to have to judge that.

Yeah, it's mostly policy driven.  Personalities do play into it, but frequently that's more of a party level issue rather than electoral.


I'd add that it appears at the moment in Canada there is 2 schools of thought. The right wants a leader whom they could drink a cold one with and aspires to bring on their nationalistic fantasies; the left want a world statesman to rival all the other leaders and fight hard to keep us a G7 nation.

I have had a chat with many right leaning neighbours and they often call Trudeau a sociopath. Followed by shock when I loudly proclaim it is the reason why I voted for him. I need a sociopath in my leadership to navigate a nation with population this small (0.5% of world population) and territory this large through the global political maelstrom lest we be subjugated and our natural resources usurped. Not one could argue with my logic.

The border has no business being opened until our schools are opened.
 
2021-06-19 6:40:16 AM  
Go ahead. Open the US border.
 
2021-06-19 6:48:38 AM  
At some point it has to open no doubt, but we Canadians need a little more time to bring our numbers of two-dose population up, once we've reached the point where anyone who wants their two shots has had an opportunity to get them that's as good as we can get.  Even going by the accelerated timelines that's looking more like July/August.  Still a lot better then the October/November projections from just a few weeks ago so that's great.

I'd support selectively opening travel if there was an authoritative system to prove who's been fully inoculated first, a system the boarder agencies on each side can ping against for anyone wanting to cross in either direction.  No proof of full vaccination should mean no international travel, its the responsible thing to do.
 
2021-06-19 6:52:08 AM  

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"I ain't from here! I got my own customs!"
 
2021-06-19 7:15:36 AM  

BumpInTheNight: At some point it has to open no doubt, but we Canadians need a little more time to bring our numbers of two-dose population up, once we've reached the point where anyone who wants their two shots has had an opportunity to get them that's as good as we can get.  Even going by the accelerated timelines that's looking more like July/August.  Still a lot better then the October/November projections from just a few weeks ago so that's great.

I'd support selectively opening travel if there was an authoritative system to prove who's been fully inoculated first, a system the boarder agencies on each side can ping against for anyone wanting to cross in either direction.  No proof of full vaccination should mean no international travel, its the responsible thing to do.


It's worth noting that we are talking about pleasure travel being restricted at the Canada-US border. Commercial travel has never been restricted.

The arguments made are for personal please travel, not for economic purposes.

If I can't go do things in my province, there is no reason for tourists to be here at all. Yet.

When as unthread was said, there is double dose for everyone who wanted one, lets have at all the hedonism our pent up selves need.
 
2021-06-19 7:24:51 AM  
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2021-06-19 7:40:03 AM  
We just need to post an appropriate sign.

Look, we'll even be nice and post it in your native language so it's easier to understand.

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2021-06-19 7:44:07 AM  

outtatowner: BumpInTheNight: At some point it has to open no doubt, but we Canadians need a little more time to bring our numbers of two-dose population up, once we've reached the point where anyone who wants their two shots has had an opportunity to get them that's as good as we can get.  Even going by the accelerated timelines that's looking more like July/August.  Still a lot better then the October/November projections from just a few weeks ago so that's great.

I'd support selectively opening travel if there was an authoritative system to prove who's been fully inoculated first, a system the boarder agencies on each side can ping against for anyone wanting to cross in either direction.  No proof of full vaccination should mean no international travel, its the responsible thing to do.

It's worth noting that we are talking about pleasure travel being restricted at the Canada-US border. Commercial travel has never been restricted.

The arguments made are for personal please travel, not for economic purposes.

If I can't go do things in my province, there is no reason for tourists to be here at all. Yet.

When as unthread was said, there is double dose for everyone who wanted one, lets have at all the hedonism our pent up selves need.


Agreed, it makes zero sense to invite people into the country for cottaging and what not when we ourselves internally haven't even reached a level of confidence in our inoculation rate to let our own people do it.
 
2021-06-19 8:04:40 AM  
Sorry.
 
2021-06-19 8:11:17 AM  
"Members of Congress urge Biden to reopen border unilaterally"

In related news, the government of Guatemala announced it has unilaterally opened the southern border of the US.
 
2021-06-19 8:23:33 AM  

ArkAngel: Members of Congress urge Biden to reopen border unilaterally

Yeah... that's not how borders work


WTF, Canada isn't a state?
/You should build a wall.
 
2021-06-19 9:26:08 AM  
Sure. Open the US border up. We've got a few too many stupid, right-wing assholes up here ourselves. Anybody dumb enough to wanna be there, you can keep 'em.

Hell, I'm feeling generous: we'll trade ya Doug Ford for AOC, straight up. She can bunk with me, no problem.

Hurry up and I'll throw in a box of Timbits, two bags of milk and a copy of Little Man in the Canoeby Dayglow Abortions.
 
2021-06-19 9:31:44 AM  

teh great bozack: Sure. Open the US border up. We've got a few too many stupid, right-wing assholes up here ourselves. Anybody dumb enough to wanna be there, you can keep 'em.

Hell, I'm feeling generous: we'll trade ya Doug Ford for AOC, straight up. She can bunk with me, no problem.

Hurry up and I'll throw in a box of Timbits, two bags of milk and a copy of Little Man in the Canoeby Dayglow Abortions.


farking autocorrect. DAYGLO.

/Proud to be Canadian

Proud to be Canadian - Dayglo Abortions - with lyrics!
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2021-06-19 9:38:09 AM  
We should be thanking Canada for continuing to be responsible, not "blaming Canada" for refusing to acquiesce to the demands of our conservative assholes.

How many times do we need to go through the "freedom fries & surrender monkeys" bullshiat, honestly? At the end of the goddamned day, we demonized France for doing the right thing at a time where we wanted to go off quite actually half-cocked and wreak havoc in the Middle East - this situation isn't all that different, to be honest, and it's time we recognized that greed isn't good, FFS.
 
2021-06-19 9:41:40 AM  

teh great bozack: Sure. Open the US border up. We've got a few too many stupid, right-wing assholes up here ourselves. Anybody dumb enough to wanna be there, you can keep 'em.

Hell, I'm feeling generous: we'll trade ya Doug Ford for AOC, straight up. She can bunk with me, no problem.

Hurry up and I'll throw in a box of Timbits, two bags of milk and a copy of Little Man in the Canoeby Dayglow Abortions.


"Dayglow Abortions" Now there's a name I haven't heard since the mid-80s.
 
2021-06-19 10:03:02 AM  
I don't understand the anger, goods are still crossing the border, this is basically just stopping tourist traffic. Wouldn't American politicians prefer that American tourist spend their money in the US to help rebuild their economies rather than spending it in Canada and helping rebuild our economy?
 
2021-06-19 10:26:13 AM  

grokca: I don't understand the anger, goods are still crossing the border, this is basically just stopping tourist traffic. Wouldn't American politicians prefer that American tourist spend their money in the US to help rebuild their economies rather than spending it in Canada and helping rebuild our economy?


If the US opens the border unilaterally , it means Canadians can go shop and vacation in the US.  The border into Canada would still be closed to non Canadians.
 
2021-06-19 10:26:38 AM  

grokca: I don't understand the anger, goods are still crossing the border, this is basically just stopping tourist traffic. Wouldn't American politicians prefer that American tourist spend their money in the US to help rebuild their economies rather than spending it in Canada and helping rebuild our economy?


American politicians prefer staying in office, rather than getting primaried by other morons who demand other countries open borders because "reasons"

I almost want to see CBSA just reject tourist after tourist after tourist at the border, just "Nope, go home" on an endless loop, with occasional breaks for some belligerent asshole getting arrested because "I'M A MURICAN!" doesn't work in Canada except as an explanation of why you don't grasp that we give change in Canadian dollars and measure distance in kilometres.
 
2021-06-19 10:36:07 AM  
Dear America.

Keep your plague rat klansmen out of our country.  We don't want you.

Signed, Canada

/sorry, eh
 
2021-06-19 10:55:28 AM  

raius: grokca: I don't understand the anger, goods are still crossing the border, this is basically just stopping tourist traffic. Wouldn't American politicians prefer that American tourist spend their money in the US to help rebuild their economies rather than spending it in Canada and helping rebuild our economy?

If the US opens the border unilaterally , it means Canadians can go shop and vacation in the US.  The border into Canada would still be closed to non Canadians.


But if they can't get back without quarantining, it kind of puts a damper on the trip. So we should make them do that.
 
2021-06-19 11:02:47 AM  
Playing all the greatest hits.  This one from back in 2003.

R.E.M. - Bad Day (Video)
Youtube Hyk-Vdd_Qrk

/ The lights went out, the oil ran dry
// We blamed it on the other guy
/// The papers wouldn't lie
 
2021-06-19 11:10:32 AM  

PerpetualPeristalsis: raius: grokca: I don't understand the anger, goods are still crossing the border, this is basically just stopping tourist traffic. Wouldn't American politicians prefer that American tourist spend their money in the US to help rebuild their economies rather than spending it in Canada and helping rebuild our economy?

If the US opens the border unilaterally , it means Canadians can go shop and vacation in the US.  The border into Canada would still be closed to non Canadians.

But if they can't get back without quarantining, it kind of puts a damper on the trip. So we should make them do that.


I don't know that they could effectively enforce that. Canadians are allowed to leave and renter the country.  A million Canadians decide to visit the US, would likely overload the quarantine check system.
 
2021-06-19 11:34:48 AM  
They're not looking for Americans to go to Canada; they want Canadian shoppers coming to purchase from their state.

If they threw in a "Get your free vaccine here, Canuckistanians!" and Ford/Trudeau were okay with it that might solve 2 problems, with supply and appointments being a fustercluck in Ontario.
 
2021-06-19 11:36:51 AM  

outtatowner: I have had a chat with many right leaning neighbours and they often call Trudeau a sociopath. Followed by shock when I loudly proclaim it is the reason why I voted for him.


He shows no signs of being a sociopath.
 
2021-06-19 12:07:09 PM  
"Higgins calls it immoral that NHL players got a travel exemption for the playoffs while fully vaccinated people can't cross to see their loved ones or their property"

This is an outrage, eh?
 
2021-06-19 12:56:32 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: outtatowner: I have had a chat with many right leaning neighbours and they often call Trudeau a sociopath. Followed by shock when I loudly proclaim it is the reason why I voted for him.

He shows no signs of being a sociopath.


To them just being a liberal makes you a sociopath.
 
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