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(Phoenix New Times)   Developer builds retirement community in the middle of a college entertainment district, is shocked that there is live music going on late into the night   (phoenixnewtimes.com) divider line
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2021-06-18 8:35:14 PM  
You are doomed, retirees have lots of time on their hands and know how to get what they want.
 
2021-06-19 12:38:10 AM  
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I can just see the altercations now between the College kids & the Boomerz now......
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Yupperz I can just see it now.......then there's Merv the Perv too.......
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Yupperz, I can just see it now.........
 
2021-06-19 12:39:18 AM  

AlgaeRancher: You are doomed, retirees have lots of time on their hands and know how to get what they want.


CSB: It's hard to find an outdoor basketball court here in Japan because old people complain about the noise until whatever the municipality is shuts them down. A friend and I once drove like 90 minutes to a park with several courts and when we arrived it was all hoop-less backboards.

Old people suck.
 
2021-06-19 12:40:47 AM  
Ok, so people complained, city told em to stuff it, Fark outrage time.
 
2021-06-19 12:45:41 AM  
Sounds like prime real estate for the local GILFs.
 
2021-06-19 12:46:07 AM  
Like building a church beside a strip club
 
2021-06-19 12:48:19 AM  
Old people are so senile, they forget what it's like to be young.  Young people are so delusional, they think they'll never get old

/Gen-X
//skateboards in socks w/sandals
 
2021-06-19 12:56:53 AM  

AlgaeRancher: You are doomed, retirees have lots of time on their hands and know how to get what they want.


On the other hand, retirees vs. ASU in Tempe.  They kinda own the place, their students are the major source of money to the tune of 60m plus a year in spending.  GL matching that, retirees.
 
2021-06-19 12:57:26 AM  
So the old folks are gonna riot unless they play grunge?
 
2021-06-19 12:59:03 AM  
first thing you do when considering housing is taking a good long look up and down the block. there are real life 'Roseanne' families out there. it's like they advertise. if your new neighbor has Christmas decor up in July it's a hint.
 
2021-06-19 1:09:20 AM  
The sad part is they will probably be able to force changes
 
2021-06-19 1:12:49 AM  
Difficulty: 7:30pm is "late into the night" for some retirees.
 
2021-06-19 1:14:27 AM  

sinko swimo: first thing you do when considering housing is taking a good long look up and down the block. there are real life 'Roseanne' families out there. it's like they advertise. if your new neighbor has Christmas decor up in July it's a hint.


When I cut through some side neighborhoods on my commute home, there is a house on a corner by a busy intersection that has the 12 foot tall Home Depot skeleton in the yard. It's wearing changes of clothes to reflect the newest holiday. I suspect it's because an HOA requires only "seasonal" decorations or something similar.

Whoever lives in that house, I want to be their friend.
 
2021-06-19 1:15:52 AM  
The old people have a huge amount of time on their hands. Expect them to bring this up at every city council meeting, and even for them to run for city council.

It's kind of like many HOAs -- they are run by the people who have time to deal with it, and then it's run according to their whims.

/so glad I sold my property that was in an HOA.. those board meetings were a mess. Do we really now need a full board vote to give the cleaning guy a $100 Christmas bonus we've given him every year for the past 10 years?
 
2021-06-19 1:16:02 AM  
There shouldn't really be age-themed districts, at least not large ones.  Communities are much healthier when they're more varied.  Old people who can't stand the kids playing outside are ready for the Soylent Green treatment, young people who think older folks are nothing but an impediment should be smacked around until they smarten up.

Besides, it's nice not to have to move every couple of decades as you age
 
2021-06-19 1:18:09 AM  

AlgaeRancher: You are doomed, retirees have lots of time on their hands and know how to get what they want.


south park [clip]: old people get up too early
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2021-06-19 1:19:13 AM  
Other cities with this problem just end up renting out the condos/whatever to bartenders and other nighttime hospitality workers.
 
2021-06-19 1:19:15 AM  
I immediately thought that this was a good way to get your shiny new hi-rise vandalized, then I remembered that the emerging Gen Z are mostly good, well-intentioned kids and don't raise nearly enough hell.
 
2021-06-19 1:20:21 AM  
Guess I'd be considered old by some (im 44), but it seems almost shocking to me that I'm pushing 50 already.  In my head, I still feel 25.

Wonder when I'll hit the "get off my lawn" stage...
 
2021-06-19 1:21:43 AM  

ameeriklane: It's kind of like many HOAs -- they are run by the people who have time to deal with it, and then it's run according to their whims


My parents were in one before I was born.  My mother had the time, but fighting the busybodies to keep them from getting out of hand just exhausted her and they moved to a non-HOA home.  I'd heard the stories, but my first 'house' was a condo and the retired folks dominated the association and while I liked my neighbors and the super, I'm definitely glad we got out of there as soon as we could afford something else.

Never ever put yourself in a position where idle busybodies can mess with your life if you can help it, because they will.  Because that's what they do, it's how they measure their self-esteem.
 
2021-06-19 1:24:54 AM  
Seniors moving into condos just off Mill Ave near ASU?

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Let me guess, you moved there instead of Ocotillo, Sun City, or Apache Junction because you liked the atmosphere.  Now that you're there, you want a little less of it.  Good job, Boomers.
 
2021-06-19 1:29:00 AM  

Unsung_Hero: ameeriklane: It's kind of like many HOAs -- they are run by the people who have time to deal with it, and then it's run according to their whims

My parents were in one before I was born.  My mother had the time, but fighting the busybodies to keep them from getting out of hand just exhausted her and they moved to a non-HOA home.  I'd heard the stories, but my first 'house' was a condo and the retired folks dominated the association and while I liked my neighbors and the super, I'm definitely glad we got out of there as soon as we could afford something else.

Never ever put yourself in a position where idle busybodies can mess with your life if you can help it, because they will.  Because that's what they do, it's how they measure their self-esteem.


But HOA's are effective for keeping the poor's out.
 
2021-06-19 1:29:27 AM  

Dinjiin: Seniors moving into condos just off Mill Ave near ASU?

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Let me guess, you moved there instead of Ocotillo, Sun City, or Apache Junction because you liked the atmosphere.  Now that you're there, you want a little less of it.  Good job, Boomers.


Or those sugarbaby websites are about to get some serious business
 
2021-06-19 1:47:21 AM  
Can't they just turn off their hearing aids?
 
2021-06-19 1:53:49 AM  

Unsung_Hero: There shouldn't really be age-themed districts, at least not large ones.  Communities are much healthier when they're more varied.  Old people who can't stand the kids playing outside are ready for the Soylent Green treatment, young people who think older folks are nothing but an impediment should be smacked around until they smarten up.


There are serious tax benefits to not having kids around although, if you'd lived next to my neighbors with the little daughters that shrieked like steamwhistles, perhaps you'd be more favorable to the idea of not getting your ears pierced all day long.

And no, thanks, grandma and grandpa have already contributed plenty of taxes to provide schooling for your rugrats.
 
2021-06-19 1:55:41 AM  
Why build a retirement community?  You have any idea how much money there is renting to college kids?  Most student loans come with a generous allowance for housing and food, which is why kids get overcharged on those things.
 
2021-06-19 2:04:53 AM  

winedrinkingman: Why build a retirement community?  You have any idea how much money there is renting to college kids?  Most student loans come with a generous allowance for housing and food, which is why kids get overcharged on those things.


I mean I took out two small (5K each) student loans about 10 years apart from each other and I don't remember any "allowances." While it was listed things you can spend it on, the list was so long it basically boiled down to "don't blow this money on coke or a cruise or concert tickets or anything stupid like that, okay dummy?"
 
2021-06-19 2:27:57 AM  

WillofJ2: The sad part is they will probably be able to force changes


Different kind of changes, but so can the college students.
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2021-06-19 2:33:27 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Unsung_Hero: ameeriklane: It's kind of like many HOAs -- they are run by the people who have time to deal with it, and then it's run according to their whims

My parents were in one before I was born.  My mother had the time, but fighting the busybodies to keep them from getting out of hand just exhausted her and they moved to a non-HOA home.  I'd heard the stories, but my first 'house' was a condo and the retired folks dominated the association and while I liked my neighbors and the super, I'm definitely glad we got out of there as soon as we could afford something else.

Never ever put yourself in a position where idle busybodies can mess with your life if you can help it, because they will.  Because that's what they do, it's how they measure their self-esteem.

But HOA's are effective for keeping the poor's out.


they're not effective in keeping crime out. it's easy to see HOA fees are soon to spike as night time drive around security becomes more commonplace. lots of nice neighborhoods are being hit regularly and they are under the jurisdiction of don't give a damn ain't nothing we can do police stations.
 
2021-06-19 4:02:42 AM  
"To be clear," the post continued, "Shady Park has live music permits, and we have been operating under these permits since 2015. Those permits allow for live music, both indoor and outdoor, until 2 am seven days a week. This is what this is really about."

Not for long. 9pm limits are coming, thanks to a few shoeboxes of cash from the retirement community
 
2021-06-19 4:50:29 AM  
 This happens almost everywhere. The French Quarter, for example, has a lot of folks who make legal complaints against places that were blaring live music long before they moved in.

The city is full of very peaceful and gorgeous neighborhoods, but they chose to move into an infamously loud one, and then whine about it. Your real estate investment doesn't mean everyone else can't have a good time.  The height of selfishness. If something as zoned as a entertainment zone than maybe you should buy elsewhere.
 
2021-06-19 6:11:42 AM  
You want live music. They are old people. Easy solution.
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2021-06-19 6:11:57 AM  

ameeriklane: The old people have a huge amount of time on their hands. Expect them to bring this up at every city council meeting, and even for them to run for city council.

It's kind of like many HOAs -- they are run by the people who have time to deal with it, and then it's run according to their whims.

/so glad I sold my property that was in an HOA.. those board meetings were a mess. Do we really now need a full board vote to give the cleaning guy a $100 Christmas bonus we've given him every year for the past 10 years?


HOA Board members are usually made up of bored retirees and bored housewives. Keyword here is bored. In any of those meetings they could have set up a rule fir a repeating Christmas bonus of $100, to be given on a fixed date, unless otherwise specified. But then the fear of NOT being busy and LESS papers to sign scares them and reduces their feeling of power.
Which is sad, because if that energy was channeled into constant improvements and checking in on what people actually want would really improve things.
 
2021-06-19 7:08:44 AM  

AlgaeRancher: You are doomed, retirees have lots of time on their hands and know how to get what they want.


You are not FARKing kidding. My grandmother, RIP, back in the early 1970s called Ma Bell every day for like 2 years straight to get a telephone pole moved 3 feet away from the end of her driveway.

They moved it.
 
2021-06-19 7:10:28 AM  
My city has a similar problem. During the summer there are a number of festivals held in the downtown. There's also a lot of development and people moving downtown, particularly retirees and empty nesters. This has led to conflict and demands that the festivals be reduced or moved.

In response the city has started requiring (as a condition of a builder being issued a building permit) clauses in agreement of sales, leases, condo declarations, etc. regarding noise. Depending on location it could be about traffic noise, railways, parks, etc. but basically it's a statement that the purchaser or renter is aware that a certain type of noise is common in that area and if they're bothered by it they should buy or rent elsewhere.

For example one of my clients recently opened a building on a busy road. All leases must contain a clause stating that tenants should expect traffic noise and neither the landlord nor the city will be responsible for any noise mitigation.
 
2021-06-19 7:11:16 AM  
I need to go the the HOA office today because of a complaint.

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not looking forward to it.
 
2021-06-19 8:13:39 AM  
This is like the people who dream of moving out of the city rat race and into the country, build their dream home downwind of a working farm, and then try to get the farm shut down for odor and noise.
 
2021-06-19 8:15:05 AM  
And I am never, ever moving somewhere with an HOA. Screw that.
 
2021-06-19 8:33:53 AM  
The developer figured killing the entertainment district was cheaper than soundproofing.

They probably got the idea for "developing" the project at one of the local watering holes, shouting their brilliant ideas back and forth to each other above the noise.
 
2021-06-19 8:37:34 AM  

Watubi: Old people are so senile, they forget what it's like to be young.  Young people are so delusional, they think they'll never get old

/Gen-X
//skateboards in socks w/sandals


Black socks of course right?
 
2021-06-19 9:42:49 AM  
Not all HOAs are evil.  There has to be some sort of formal way to handle disputes between neighbors without resorting to litigation.

The HOA in my neighborhood tries to do as little as possible besides administering the $250K park maintenance budget.  Instead of requiring homeowners to apply for every damn thing just pass blanket rules that cover whatever people are already doing.  For example, they made a rule that houses must be painted a color from the Sherwin William house paint catalog, which only went on the books after someone painted their house a shade of neon that looked like shiat.

It's not total freedom but a good compromise when you're living in a neighborhood with houses right next to each other.
 
2021-06-19 10:32:29 AM  

czei: Not all HOAs are evil.  There has to be some sort of formal way to handle disputes between neighbors without resorting to litigation.

The HOA in my neighborhood tries to do as little as possible besides administering the $250K park maintenance budget.  Instead of requiring homeowners to apply for every damn thing just pass blanket rules that cover whatever people are already doing.  For example, they made a rule that houses must be painted a color from the Sherwin William house paint catalog, which only went on the books after someone painted their house a shade of neon that looked like shiat.

It's not total freedom but a good compromise when you're living in a neighborhood with houses right next to each other.


I can't believe paint stores are allowed to sell paint in colors other than grey.  That is an outrage!
 
2021-06-19 10:58:52 AM  
Welp, time to shut down the college entertainment district which brings in millions of dollars in tax revenue in favor of a retirement home which brings in thousands of dollars in tax revenue.
 
2021-06-19 11:17:43 AM  

sinko swimo: first thing you do when considering housing is taking a good long look up and down the block. there are real life 'Roseanne' families out there. it's like they advertise. if your new neighbor has Christmas decor up in July it's a hint.


Heh, you know, I didn't think Roseanne was real.  Like, I'd never met anyone like that - they seemed like a spoof, as deranged as Married with Children.  The hateful coarseness, the belittling, the fatalism.  Like, what family talked that way to one another?  I had no frame of reference.

Then I met my ex-inlaws.  Holy fark.  They're real, and they walk among us.  Glad I got untethered from that carnival... even the ones who seem to be rising above it get dragged back into the muck.  They're like crabs in a bucket.

Whenever I hear someone say "Roseanne was so relatable, they felt like real people!" I shudder.  I also immediately make some very real judgments about their family life, and am thankful for my parents and wife. 

Ditto for "Mare of Easttown,"(thanks to SNL, my wife and I called it "Murdur durdur.") or Hillbilly Elegy.
 
2021-06-19 11:21:17 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Guess I'd be considered old by some (im 44), but it seems almost shocking to me that I'm pushing 50 already.  In my head, I still feel 25.

Wonder when I'll hit the "get off my lawn" stage...


I'm 53 but still feel like I'm in my 20s. Then I hang around with some kids in their 20s.
 
2021-06-19 11:22:03 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Unsung_Hero:
My parents were in one before I was born.  My mother had the time, but fighting the busybodies to keep them from getting out of hand just exhausted her and they moved to a non-HOA home.  I'd heard the stories, but my first 'house' was a condo and the retired folks dominated the association and while I liked my neighbors and the super, I'm definitely glad we got out of thre as soon as we could afford something else.
Never ever put yourself in a position where idle busybodies can mess with your life if you can help it, because they will.  Because that's what they do, it's how they measure their self-esteem.
But HOA's are effective for keeping the poor's out.


If you're not a snob, why would you need to live in a "nice" neighborhood anyway? There's plenty of nice places where you don't have to be a clone.
That's part of the attraction--snobbery. Don't pretend like it isn't. Keeping other people away from you.
 
2021-06-19 11:26:39 AM  

czei: Not all HOAs are evil.  There has to be some sort of formal way to handle disputes between neighbors without resorting to litigation.

The HOA in my neighborhood tries to do as little as possible besides administering the $250K park maintenance budget.  Instead of requiring homeowners to apply for every damn thing just pass blanket rules that cover whatever people are already doing.  For example, they made a rule that houses must be painted a color from the Sherwin William house paint catalog, which only went on the books after someone painted their house a shade of neon that looked like shiat.

It's not total freedom but a good compromise when you're living in a neighborhood with houses right next to each other.


Yeah... people want to live in unincorporated areas to save money on taxes.  If you have an urban environment without no city government, no code enforcement, no parks & rec, etc., you'll have to have a homebrew alternative (and yes, I would consider house after house on <1 acre lots to be urban; most "urban" areas are just rows and rows of streets and houses).

I don't have an HOA, but everything that an HOA would do, from beautifying the parks and "parklets" (the small spaces that aren't quite parks, but are city owned spaces sprinkled throughout the neighborhood - medians with flowers, green spaces, etc.), permits for modifications and additions, citations for overgrown lawns, peeling paint, or parking work vehicles in driveways, etc., codes for general appearance of the lots (number of sheds, appearance of fences, and so on, that's all done by the city.  An HOA is just a hyperlocal government in lieu of city governments.  After all, the HOA fees stay in your neighborhood - wouldn't want some of your tax dollars going to "those people."
 
2021-06-19 11:40:17 AM  
Old people move in near a nightclub & are shocked it plays loud music at night? Good thing they didn't move somewhere close to an airport then.
 
2021-06-19 11:42:14 AM  
Sorry, boomers get what they want. May as well find somewhere else to enjoy your youth
 
2021-06-19 11:44:23 AM  
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