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2021-06-18 2:20:11 PM  
"The lead officer was trying to catch addresses on the house. Eric was lying in the street," Graf said. "This was an accident. It doesn't mean it's OK. It was an accident. This was not an intentional act on the part of the officer. I am sure of that."

I'm fairly certain that if I ran over someone while trying to find a house number that I'd be sitting in jail right now.
 
2021-06-18 2:20:49 PM  
Hate to say it, but there might be some truth in the fact she was trying to read house numbers.
Ask anybody who has delevered food, it's hard enough in the daytime, after dark, who knows.
 
2021-06-18 2:47:39 PM  
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2021-06-18 2:47:51 PM  

baka-san: Hate to say it, but there might be some truth in the fact she was trying to read house numbers.
Ask anybody who has delevered food, it's hard enough in the daytime, after dark, who knows.


If a delivery person ran over someone, they sure as shiat would get more than a paid vacation.
 
2021-06-18 2:49:23 PM  

baka-san: Hate to say it, but there might be some truth in the fact she was trying to read house numbers.
Ask anybody who has delevered food, it's hard enough in the daytime, after dark, who knows.


The issue is, would those people walk ?????????? That's the farking point!
 
2021-06-18 2:51:21 PM  
Jeez, women drivers. Amirite?

/tip the veal
 
2021-06-18 2:52:06 PM  
there was an incident that resulted in a pool of blood on my porch about 4 feet wide. the cops visited 3 times before they noticed it.
 
2021-06-18 2:52:11 PM  

ArkAngel: "The lead officer was trying to catch addresses on the house. Eric was lying in the street," Graf said. "This was an accident. It doesn't mean it's OK. It was an accident. This was not an intentional act on the part of the officer. I am sure of that."

I'm fairly certain that if I ran over someone while trying to find a house number that I'd be sitting in jail right now.


No, you probably wouldn't be.
 
2021-06-18 2:52:25 PM  
Impressive that he could get laid after being shot.  I'd probably just be lying there.
 
2021-06-18 2:52:50 PM  

ArkAngel: "The lead officer was trying to catch addresses on the house. Eric was lying in the street," Graf said. "This was an accident. It doesn't mean it's OK. It was an accident. This was not an intentional act on the part of the officer. I am sure of that."

I'm fairly certain that if I ran over someone while trying to find a house number that I'd be sitting in jail right now.


At the very least that would be unintentional manslaughter, and yes you would be in jail right now. But I presume you don't have a badge. 'Murica.
 
2021-06-18 2:52:52 PM  
Something something something distracted driving kills something something
 
2021-06-18 2:57:50 PM  
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2021-06-18 2:58:42 PM  
If the dude lying in the road was an unbelted driver or an air freshener hanging from the mirror she would've seen him.
 
2021-06-18 2:58:56 PM  
Accidentally killing someone is still a crime, and doing it with a car has its own category: vehicular manslaughter. It probably wasn't intentional but it was still negligent. When you are driving, the lowest bar you have is to pay close farking attention, because a car can easily be deadly.

I worked as a pizza driver when I was younger. Yes, it can be hard to see. But if you're on a residential street, there can be people out. You stop and check where you are if you need to.

Just cause you're a cop doesn't mean the laws don't apply to you. How often do we have to do this?
 
2021-06-18 3:00:56 PM  
Overzealous gas pedal.
 
2021-06-18 3:01:30 PM  
I do believe it was an accident. However. If I'm working at a Wendy's and I accidentally leave the frosty machine running and it spills all over the floor, I'd be fired. Cop needs to be fired, but doesn't deserve jail time.
 
2021-06-18 3:02:19 PM  

baka-san: Hate to say it, but there might be some truth in the fact she was trying to read house numbers.
Ask anybody who has delevered food, it's hard enough in the daytime, after dark, who knows.


I should point out since I forgot to, since am at work, that this in no way removes culpability,
 
2021-06-18 3:03:02 PM  

adamatari: Just cause you're a cop doesn't mean the laws don't apply to you. How often do we have to do this?


Given how often cops get away with killings and beatings, that bolded part needs to be repeated a hell of a lot more.
 
2021-06-18 3:03:07 PM  
Graf stressed that the view from a dashcam is not always indicative of what a driving officer sees, noting that the camera is stable and that motorists tend to move inside vehicles while driving.

The camera is pointed at the road, which is where your eyes are supposed to be when you're driving.
 
2021-06-18 3:03:19 PM  
If you can't see a person lying in the road because you're too busy doing something else, then you shouldn't be driving.

What would happen if I hit a cop because I was too busy reading house numbers?

/Cops should be held to a higher standard than everybody else.
//A much higher standard.
 
2021-06-18 3:05:28 PM  
Running over someone standing up on the road, walking across and such is different from someone face down on the road. Not that I'm letting the cop entirely off the hook. Just seems like a somewhat solid relevant factor. Having said that... looked like a white shirt on dark pavement. That should have stood out if paying even a little bit of attention to road.
 
2021-06-18 3:06:49 PM  
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2021-06-18 3:07:12 PM  
Obviously she was just trying to apply direct pressure to the wound.

kmgenesis23: ArkAngel: "The lead officer was trying to catch addresses on the house. Eric was lying in the street," Graf said. "This was an accident. It doesn't mean it's OK. It was an accident. This was not an intentional act on the part of the officer. I am sure of that."

I'm fairly certain that if I ran over someone while trying to find a house number that I'd be sitting in jail right now.

At the very least that would be unintentional manslaughter, and yes you would be in jail right now. But I presume you don't have a badge. 'Murica.


That would depend on the autopsy.  It will come down to whether the gunshot was the cause of death or being run over was.  The fact that he was still alive when the car hit him would tend to suggest the car at least finished him off.

As for whether you would be in jail... I think that would depend on several factors, including your ties to the community and any priors.  It doesn't look intentional.  They would do an investigation and you probably would end up in jail, but might be released on your own recognizance or on bail as long as your tox screen came back clean.  The cop would obviously be more likely to beat the charges later on, but in this situation I actually think the cop shouldn't be in jail while waiting for trial.  If you are responding to a shooting I suspect you are paying attention to a lot of things as you approach the scene.  If you are driving, obviously the road should be one of those things.  

I'd like hear the audio between the officer and dispatch and hear any dialogue that might shed light on what the officer was paying attention to at the time.
 
2021-06-18 3:08:51 PM  

baka-san: Hate to say it, but there might be some truth in the fact she was trying to read house numbers.
Ask anybody who has delevered food, it's hard enough in the daytime, after dark, who knows.


I delivered pizzas for a bit.  It was before cell phones, GPS and Android Auto.  I was always able to find the house and I never ran anyone over.
 
2021-06-18 3:08:53 PM  
"You see, it's not that bad because the officer was looking for the address of where to find him."

How much of Podunk town is this to not have GPS?
 
2021-06-18 3:09:45 PM  

SecondaryControl: If you can't see a person lying in the road because you're too busy doing something else, then you shouldn't be driving.

What would happen if I hit a cop because I was too busy reading house numbers?

/Cops should be held to a higher standard than everybody else.
//A much higher standard.


What if the person that was hit was a police officer following a suspect?  Do they shoot each other?  I think they have to shoot each other.
 
2021-06-18 3:09:54 PM  

SecondaryControl: If you can't see a person lying in the road because you're too busy doing something else, then you shouldn't be driving.


Nor should they be a police officer.
 
2021-06-18 3:10:49 PM  
I mean ... they haven't yet blamed being run over by a police car on the guy who got run over. So ... progress!
 
2021-06-18 3:10:50 PM  

Muta: baka-san: Hate to say it, but there might be some truth in the fact she was trying to read house numbers.
Ask anybody who has delevered food, it's hard enough in the daytime, after dark, who knows.

I delivered pizzas for a bit.  It was before cell phones, GPS and Android Auto.  I was always able to find the house and I never ran anyone over.


How many people laying in the road did you avoid while doing it?
 
2021-06-18 3:17:44 PM  

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2021-06-18 3:20:03 PM  
And the cop couldnt stop on the side of the road, get out of the car and walk around to find out the right house? Oh right that would have needed walking and we all know cops hate walking.
 
2021-06-18 3:20:05 PM  

HoratioGates: Obviously she was just trying to apply direct pressure to the wound.

kmgenesis23: ArkAngel: "The lead officer was trying to catch addresses on the house. Eric was lying in the street," Graf said. "This was an accident. It doesn't mean it's OK. It was an accident. This was not an intentional act on the part of the officer. I am sure of that."

I'm fairly certain that if I ran over someone while trying to find a house number that I'd be sitting in jail right now.

At the very least that would be unintentional manslaughter, and yes you would be in jail right now. But I presume you don't have a badge. 'Murica.

That would depend on the autopsy.  It will come down to whether the gunshot was the cause of death or being run over was.  The fact that he was still alive when the car hit him would tend to suggest the car at least finished him off.

As for whether you would be in jail... I think that would depend on several factors, including your ties to the community and any priors.  It doesn't look intentional.  They would do an investigation and you probably would end up in jail, but might be released on your own recognizance or on bail as long as your tox screen came back clean.  The cop would obviously be more likely to beat the charges later on, but in this situation I actually think the cop shouldn't be in jail while waiting for trial.  If you are responding to a shooting I suspect you are paying attention to a lot of things as you approach the scene.  If you are driving, obviously the road should be one of those things.  

I'd like hear the audio between the officer and dispatch and hear any dialogue that might shed light on what the officer was paying attention to at the time.


You don't run over someone in the road who then dies without at least being arrested and held on probable cause. I'm a criminal defense attorney and I think I can assert that with a high degree of confidence.
 
2021-06-18 3:21:56 PM  

nburghmatt: there was an incident that resulted in a pool of blood on my porch about 4 feet wide. the cops visited 3 times before they noticed it.


Did Christian Bale live with you before shooting the movie?
 
2021-06-18 3:23:42 PM  
In the cop's defense, it was a black guy in a bright white T-shirt. If he hadn't run him over, he would have shot him twelve times for resisting arrest.
 
2021-06-18 3:24:39 PM  

NotARocketScientist: I do believe it was an accident. However. If I'm working at a Wendy's and I accidentally leave the frosty machine running and it spills all over the floor, I'd be fired. Cop needs to be fired, but doesn't deserve jail time.


The bad news is that you equated a black life with $5 worth of corn syrup and guar gum. The good news is that it's still higher than the cop's estimate.
 
2021-06-18 3:25:33 PM  

Lambskincoat: In the cop's defense, it was a black guy in a bright white T-shirt. If he hadn't run him over, he would have shot him twelve times for resisting arrest.


The cop is a she.

/read the article? Never!
 
2021-06-18 3:28:06 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Muta: baka-san: Hate to say it, but there might be some truth in the fact she was trying to read house numbers.
Ask anybody who has delevered food, it's hard enough in the daytime, after dark, who knows.

I delivered pizzas for a bit.  It was before cell phones, GPS and Android Auto.  I was always able to find the house and I never ran anyone over.

How many people laying in the road did you avoid while doing it?


I can't speak for Muta, but people laying in the road, is one of the reasons I watch where I'm driving. I also have never run over a street layer.
 
2021-06-18 3:28:41 PM  

Peki: Lambskincoat: In the cop's defense, it was a black guy in a bright white T-shirt. If he hadn't run him over, he would have shot him twelve times for resisting arrest.

The cop is a she.

/read the article? Never!


Well, that changes everything?
 
2021-06-18 3:30:22 PM  

Lambskincoat: Peki: Lambskincoat: In the cop's defense, it was a black guy in a bright white T-shirt. If he hadn't run him over, he would have shot him twelve times for resisting arrest.

The cop is a she.

/read the article? Never!

Well, that changes everything?


No, but it's 2021. Can we at least check before resorting to standard gender tropes? Guys are nurses, women are cops, and the mail person is non-binary. This is not hard.
 
2021-06-18 3:30:42 PM  

kbronsito: Running over someone standing up on the road, walking across and such is different from someone face down on the road. Not that I'm letting the cop entirely off the hook. Just seems like a somewhat solid relevant factor. Having said that... looked like a white shirt on dark pavement. That should have stood out if paying even a little bit of attention to road.


Yeah, I have run over exactly zero people lying on roads. And it's not because I haven't encountered any. It's because I'm not a pig who doesn't deserve their job.
 
2021-06-18 3:31:32 PM  
Abolish the police.
 
2021-06-18 3:36:10 PM  
Police and city officials were also criticized Wednesday because an incident report did not mention the cruiser's running over Cole. Officials said that was because they were hoping no one would notice, ha ha, gulp.
 
2021-06-18 3:36:42 PM  

HoratioGates: Obviously she was just trying to apply direct pressure to the wound.

kmgenesis23: ArkAngel: "The lead officer was trying to catch addresses on the house. Eric was lying in the street," Graf said. "This was an accident. It doesn't mean it's OK. It was an accident. This was not an intentional act on the part of the officer. I am sure of that."

I'm fairly certain that if I ran over someone while trying to find a house number that I'd be sitting in jail right now.

At the very least that would be unintentional manslaughter, and yes you would be in jail right now. But I presume you don't have a badge. 'Murica.

That would depend on the autopsy.  It will come down to whether the gunshot was the cause of death or being run over was.  The fact that he was still alive when the car hit him would tend to suggest the car at least finished him off.

As for whether you would be in jail... I think that would depend on several factors, including your ties to the community and any priors.  It doesn't look intentional.  They would do an investigation and you probably would end up in jail, but might be released on your own recognizance or on bail as long as your tox screen came back clean.  The cop would obviously be more likely to beat the charges later on, but in this situation I actually think the cop shouldn't be in jail while waiting for trial.  If you are responding to a shooting I suspect you are paying attention to a lot of things as you approach the scene.  If you are driving, obviously the road should be one of those things.  

I'd like hear the audio between the officer and dispatch and hear any dialogue that might shed light on what the officer was paying attention to at the time.


whether or not you are a black person.

 
2021-06-18 3:39:35 PM  

kmgenesis23: HoratioGates: Obviously she was just trying to apply direct pressure to the wound.

kmgenesis23: ArkAngel: "The lead officer was trying to catch addresses on the house. Eric was lying in the street," Graf said. "This was an accident. It doesn't mean it's OK. It was an accident. This was not an intentional act on the part of the officer. I am sure of that."

I'm fairly certain that if I ran over someone while trying to find a house number that I'd be sitting in jail right now.

At the very least that would be unintentional manslaughter, and yes you would be in jail right now. But I presume you don't have a badge. 'Murica.

That would depend on the autopsy.  It will come down to whether the gunshot was the cause of death or being run over was.  The fact that he was still alive when the car hit him would tend to suggest the car at least finished him off.

As for whether you would be in jail... I think that would depend on several factors, including your ties to the community and any priors.  It doesn't look intentional.  They would do an investigation and you probably would end up in jail, but might be released on your own recognizance or on bail as long as your tox screen came back clean.  The cop would obviously be more likely to beat the charges later on, but in this situation I actually think the cop shouldn't be in jail while waiting for trial.  If you are responding to a shooting I suspect you are paying attention to a lot of things as you approach the scene.  If you are driving, obviously the road should be one of those things.  

I'd like hear the audio between the officer and dispatch and hear any dialogue that might shed light on what the officer was paying attention to at the time.

You don't run over someone in the road who then dies without at least being arrested and held on probable cause. I'm a criminal defense attorney and I think I can assert that with a high degree of confidence.


Unless you are the Secretary of State of South Dakota.
 
2021-06-18 3:40:53 PM  

Lambskincoat: Jeebus Saves: Muta: baka-san: Hate to say it, but there might be some truth in the fact she was trying to read house numbers.
Ask anybody who has delevered food, it's hard enough in the daytime, after dark, who knows.

I delivered pizzas for a bit.  It was before cell phones, GPS and Android Auto.  I was always able to find the house and I never ran anyone over.

How many people laying in the road did you avoid while doing it?

I can't speak for Muta, but people laying in the road, is one of the reasons I watch where I'm driving. I also have never run over a street layer.


There is a large body of research demonstrating the effect of peripheral attention. Basically the more you fixate on a specific task the less your brain processes.  So yes, it is totally understandable if your attention is focused on something other than the road you will be working on rote response (car stays on road).  And yes, you can train yourself to be more attentive to nonfocal stimuli.  It's still shiat but meh.

See the gorilla costume task

The issue really is negligence, which is up to a court to decide.  Perfect situational awareness doesn't exist while you are doing any other task.
 
2021-06-18 3:42:11 PM  

LordJiro: baka-san: Hate to say it, but there might be some truth in the fact she was trying to read house numbers.
Ask anybody who has delevered food, it's hard enough in the daytime, after dark, who knows.

If a delivery person ran over someone, they sure as shiat would get more than a paid vacation.


As a former firefighter and eventually fire engineer (the driver), it was constantly pounded into us that any mistake we make or damage we do with the rigs, it could leave not only the city/department open to civil and criminal proceedings, but also that citizens could come after us as personally as well. The fact this is never applied to cops is complete bullshiat.
 
2021-06-18 3:46:05 PM  

Karma Chameleon: LordJiro: baka-san: Hate to say it, but there might be some truth in the fact she was trying to read house numbers.
Ask anybody who has delevered food, it's hard enough in the daytime, after dark, who knows.

If a delivery person ran over someone, they sure as shiat would get more than a paid vacation.

As a former firefighter and eventually fire engineer (the driver), it was constantly pounded into us that any mistake we make or damage we do with the rigs, it could leave not only the city/department open to civil and criminal proceedings, but also that citizens could come after us as personally as well. The fact this is never applied to cops is complete bullshiat.


Which is why the people cheer when the fire fighters show up, but they only dance with the officer when it is ordered.
 
2021-06-18 3:48:03 PM  

Irisclara: kmgenesis23: 

You don't run over someone in the road who then dies without at least being arrested and held on probable cause. I'm a criminal defense attorney and I think I can assert that with a high degree of confidence.

Unless you are the Secretary of State of South Dakota.


True. Or have a badge. Unelected civilians generally don't get to run people over and kill them without spending at least a couple nights in the slam.
 
2021-06-18 3:50:27 PM  

SecondaryControl: If you can't see a person lying in the road because you're too busy doing something else, then you shouldn't be driving.

What would happen if I hit a cop because I was too busy reading house numbers?

/Cops should be held to a higher standard than everybody else.
//A much higher standard.


In many jurisdictions if you run over someone while searching for a number on your cell phone, well, that is going to end badly for you.
 
2021-06-18 3:57:47 PM  

ArkAngel: "The lead officer was trying to catch addresses on the house. Eric was lying in the street," Graf said. "This was an accident. It doesn't mean it's OK. It was an accident. This was not an intentional act on the part of the officer. I am sure of that."

I'm fairly certain that if I ran over someone while trying to find a house number that I'd be sitting in jail right now.


Imma not so sure you would be

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