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2021-06-18 1:18:44 AM  
fark DeSantis and every anti-vaxxer.
 
2021-06-18 8:20:03 AM  
Get your vaccine and stop worrying and whining. Actual science supports this.

Antivaxxers need a swift introduction to Charles. Charles Darwin.

You need to show ID to buy beer. You can and should be forced to show your vax card to leave your house.
 
2021-06-18 8:43:52 AM  

zgrizz: Get your vaccine and stop worrying and whining. Actual science supports this.


It's amazing. I was listening to the radio and they were doing "man/woman on the street" interviews about the lifting of the remaining restrictions. Most people were feeling somewhat celebratory. Then they had some lady going on about how it was way too soon and it was so scary being out with everyone taking off their masks and how worried she was, then she casually slips in oh yeah, I'm not vaccinated yet because I've been too busy. I turned the radio off right there. Yeah, you're SO concerned about the virus yet you haven't bothered to get the free vaccine that's been widely available for months.
 
2021-06-18 8:50:50 AM  
What is Disney supposed to do here in excess of anyone else?  Every person over 12 who wants a vaccine can get one.  Transmission rates are extremely low right now (according to the Covid planning tool, in Orange county the chance that a single person in a group of 100 has Covid is <1%).  Covid is not a serious disease in young children.  It's not actually worse than the flu for children (unlike for adults) and long flu is a real thing.

We did all the things we did for a good reason - because Covid was good at killing old people.  That problem has mostly been solved now for those who choose to solve it.  If people are voluntarily choosing to put their kids and drive them in a car to Disney World (car accident being a higher risk to children than Covid) then I'm not seeing the value in fretting over the remaining (and much smaller) risk.

You can pursue risk to zero, but there are a lot of diminishing returns there.  Parents who wish to lower the risk further than what Disney allows can opt out and not go to Disney World.
 
2021-06-18 8:57:18 AM  
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2021-06-18 8:59:55 AM  

Rapmaster2000: What is Disney supposed to do here in excess of anyone else?  Every person over 12 who wants a vaccine can get one.  Transmission rates are extremely low right now (according to the Covid planning tool, in Orange county the chance that a single person in a group of 100 has Covid is <1%).  Covid is not a serious disease in young children.  It's not actually worse than the flu for children (unlike for adults) and long flu is a real thing.

We did all the things we did for a good reason - because Covid was good at killing old people.  That problem has mostly been solved now for those who choose to solve it.  If people are voluntarily choosing to put their kids and drive them in a car to Disney World (car accident being a higher risk to children than Covid) then I'm not seeing the value in fretting over the remaining (and much smaller) risk.

You can pursue risk to zero, but there are a lot of diminishing returns there.  Parents who wish to lower the risk further than what Disney allows can opt out and not go to Disney World.


Let's take a look at the UK and see what a variant can do when you open up just a little bit before you were really ready to do it.

Anyway, Florida's gonna do what Florida does.
 
2021-06-18 9:03:24 AM  

Rapmaster2000: What is Disney supposed to do here in excess of anyone else?  Every person over 12 who wants a vaccine can get one.  Transmission rates are extremely low right now (according to the Covid planning tool, in Orange county the chance that a single person in a group of 100 has Covid is <1%).  Covid is not a serious disease in young children.  It's not actually worse than the flu for children (unlike for adults) and long flu is a real thing.

We did all the things we did for a good reason - because Covid was good at killing old people.  That problem has mostly been solved now for those who choose to solve it.  If people are voluntarily choosing to put their kids and drive them in a car to Disney World (car accident being a higher risk to children than Covid) then I'm not seeing the value in fretting over the remaining (and much smaller) risk.

You can pursue risk to zero, but there are a lot of diminishing returns there.  Parents who wish to lower the risk further than what Disney allows can opt out and not go to Disney World.


You just dont understand the vaccine technology.
 
2021-06-18 9:10:53 AM  

Gubbo: Rapmaster2000: What is Disney supposed to do here in excess of anyone else?  Every person over 12 who wants a vaccine can get one.  Transmission rates are extremely low right now (according to the Covid planning tool, in Orange county the chance that a single person in a group of 100 has Covid is <1%).  Covid is not a serious disease in young children.  It's not actually worse than the flu for children (unlike for adults) and long flu is a real thing.

We did all the things we did for a good reason - because Covid was good at killing old people.  That problem has mostly been solved now for those who choose to solve it.  If people are voluntarily choosing to put their kids and drive them in a car to Disney World (car accident being a higher risk to children than Covid) then I'm not seeing the value in fretting over the remaining (and much smaller) risk.

You can pursue risk to zero, but there are a lot of diminishing returns there.  Parents who wish to lower the risk further than what Disney allows can opt out and not go to Disney World.

Let's take a look at the UK and see what a variant can do when you open up just a little bit before you were really ready to do it.

Anyway, Florida's gonna do what Florida does.


Delta is more transmissible and more serious, but it doesn't evade the vaccine (like every variant before it) and it's still not killing children off.  In total in the UK for Covid, child deaths are:

2 deaths in children aged 1 year and under.
1 death in children aged 1-4 years old.
3 deaths in children aged 5-9 years old.
6 deaths in children aged 10-14 years old.


Those are flu numbers.  All deaths are tragic, but we've gotten very good at dealing with much higher death rates from things we deal with every day.  This is classic availability heuristic - fearing sharks at the beach and not the car ride to the beach, the cancer from the sunscreen we don't put on at the beach, and possibly drowning at the beach.  Covid was a real thing to worry about, but it's not much of a worry anymore for the vaccinated and for children.  We can celebrate that.

As a side note, I'm realizing that we now expect corporations like Delta, Disney, and Carnival to be the arbiters of our own safety because we've given up on government fulfilling that role.
 
2021-06-18 9:40:18 AM  
Trust the guests?? The only trust involved is whether you trust the science involved with the vaccine. You either do or you don't.

If you're vaccinated, you're protected. Nothing else matters.
 
2021-06-18 9:41:29 AM  

AsparagusFTW: You just dont understand the vaccine technology.


Blockchain?
 
2021-06-18 9:44:49 AM  

AsparagusFTW: Rapmaster2000: What is Disney supposed to do here in excess of anyone else?  Every person over 12 who wants a vaccine can get one.  Transmission rates are extremely low right now (according to the Covid planning tool, in Orange county the chance that a single person in a group of 100 has Covid is <1%).  Covid is not a serious disease in young children.  It's not actually worse than the flu for children (unlike for adults) and long flu is a real thing.

We did all the things we did for a good reason - because Covid was good at killing old people.  That problem has mostly been solved now for those who choose to solve it.  If people are voluntarily choosing to put their kids and drive them in a car to Disney World (car accident being a higher risk to children than Covid) then I'm not seeing the value in fretting over the remaining (and much smaller) risk.

You can pursue risk to zero, but there are a lot of diminishing returns there.  Parents who wish to lower the risk further than what Disney allows can opt out and not go to Disney World.

You just dont understand the vaccine technology.


Notice the empty, meaningless response, without data or facts, to a well thought out post. You sure showed em, rapmaster.
 
2021-06-18 9:45:47 AM  

Corn_Fed: AsparagusFTW: Rapmaster2000: What is Disney supposed to do here in excess of anyone else?  Every person over 12 who wants a vaccine can get one.  Transmission rates are extremely low right now (according to the Covid planning tool, in Orange county the chance that a single person in a group of 100 has Covid is <1%).  Covid is not a serious disease in young children.  It's not actually worse than the flu for children (unlike for adults) and long flu is a real thing.

We did all the things we did for a good reason - because Covid was good at killing old people.  That problem has mostly been solved now for those who choose to solve it.  If people are voluntarily choosing to put their kids and drive them in a car to Disney World (car accident being a higher risk to children than Covid) then I'm not seeing the value in fretting over the remaining (and much smaller) risk.

You can pursue risk to zero, but there are a lot of diminishing returns there.  Parents who wish to lower the risk further than what Disney allows can opt out and not go to Disney World.

You just dont understand the vaccine technology.

Notice the empty, meaningless response, without data or facts, to a well thought out post. You sure showed em, rapmaster.


Sorry, meant Asparagus.
 
2021-06-18 10:32:48 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Gubbo: Rapmaster2000: What is Disney supposed to do here in excess of anyone else?  Every person over 12 who wants a vaccine can get one.  Transmission rates are extremely low right now (according to the Covid planning tool, in Orange county the chance that a single person in a group of 100 has Covid is <1%).  Covid is not a serious disease in young children.  It's not actually worse than the flu for children (unlike for adults) and long flu is a real thing.

We did all the things we did for a good reason - because Covid was good at killing old people.  That problem has mostly been solved now for those who choose to solve it.  If people are voluntarily choosing to put their kids and drive them in a car to Disney World (car accident being a higher risk to children than Covid) then I'm not seeing the value in fretting over the remaining (and much smaller) risk.

You can pursue risk to zero, but there are a lot of diminishing returns there.  Parents who wish to lower the risk further than what Disney allows can opt out and not go to Disney World.

Let's take a look at the UK and see what a variant can do when you open up just a little bit before you were really ready to do it.

Anyway, Florida's gonna do what Florida does.

Delta is more transmissible and more serious, but it doesn't evade the vaccine (like every variant before it) and it's still not killing children off.  In total in the UK for Covid, child deaths are:

2 deaths in children aged 1 year and under.
1 death in children aged 1-4 years old.
3 deaths in children aged 5-9 years old.
6 deaths in children aged 10-14 years old.

Those are flu numbers.  All deaths are tragic, but we've gotten very good at dealing with much higher death rates from things we deal with every day.  This is classic availability heuristic - fearing sharks at the beach and not the car ride to the beach, the cancer from the sunscreen we don't put on at the beach, and possibly drowning at the beach.  Covid was a real thing to worry ab ...


No I agree. We're definitely on the back end of Covid (in the 1st world at least). I just don't trust people to actually be vaccinated.

Not that it matters, I still can't go anywhere and I'm stuck down here on this island paradise for at least a few more months.

/dear god I just want to go somewhere different
//anywhere different
///ugh even Florida would do
 
2021-06-18 10:48:17 AM  

Gubbo: Rapmaster2000: What is Disney supposed to do here in excess of anyone else?  Every person over 12 who wants a vaccine can get one.  Transmission rates are extremely low right now (according to the Covid planning tool, in Orange county the chance that a single person in a group of 100 has Covid is <1%).  Covid is not a serious disease in young children.  It's not actually worse than the flu for children (unlike for adults) and long flu is a real thing.

We did all the things we did for a good reason - because Covid was good at killing old people.  That problem has mostly been solved now for those who choose to solve it.  If people are voluntarily choosing to put their kids and drive them in a car to Disney World (car accident being a higher risk to children than Covid) then I'm not seeing the value in fretting over the remaining (and much smaller) risk.

You can pursue risk to zero, but there are a lot of diminishing returns there.  Parents who wish to lower the risk further than what Disney allows can opt out and not go to Disney World.

Let's take a look at the UK and see what a variant can do when you open up just a little bit before you were really ready to do it.

Anyway, Florida's gonna do what Florida does.


Isn't California Disney doing the same thing?

https://abc7.com/disneyland-mask-requ​i​rement-policy/10788964/
 
2021-06-18 11:01:48 AM  

Eightballjacket: Gubbo: Rapmaster2000: What is Disney supposed to do here in excess of anyone else?  Every person over 12 who wants a vaccine can get one.  Transmission rates are extremely low right now (according to the Covid planning tool, in Orange county the chance that a single person in a group of 100 has Covid is <1%).  Covid is not a serious disease in young children.  It's not actually worse than the flu for children (unlike for adults) and long flu is a real thing.

We did all the things we did for a good reason - because Covid was good at killing old people.  That problem has mostly been solved now for those who choose to solve it.  If people are voluntarily choosing to put their kids and drive them in a car to Disney World (car accident being a higher risk to children than Covid) then I'm not seeing the value in fretting over the remaining (and much smaller) risk.

You can pursue risk to zero, but there are a lot of diminishing returns there.  Parents who wish to lower the risk further than what Disney allows can opt out and not go to Disney World.

Let's take a look at the UK and see what a variant can do when you open up just a little bit before you were really ready to do it.

Anyway, Florida's gonna do what Florida does.

Isn't California Disney doing the same thing?

https://abc7.com/disneyland-mask-requi​rement-policy/10788964/


Florida did it earlier, but yeah.

I think Newsom, through luck or science or intelligence or whatever got the timing pretty much exactly right.  Right now seems to be the time that we can start to really lay off the restrictions.  We aren't quite in the "getting struck by lighting" low level of risk yet, but we are damned close, and the politics of the thing wouldn't hold up much longer.  By picking June 15th, and by doing it a couple months ago, a lot of the hatred of the masks and stuff went away from the general public.  Having a date to shoot for was a good idea.

The opposite way of doing things, having the restrictions come and go is confusing to the point where people start to ignore them and also get pissed off and do stupid things (violence, but also start recalls of Newsom).  Stating a firm date was a good thing.  He also managed to get Cal OSHA on board, which wanted to extend the mask requirements for longer for workers.

It's also important to note that the vaccination rate of the really vulnerable portion of the population (old people) is much, much higher than from those who are younger.  And the fact that small kids still can't get vaccinated is fairly meaningless since they barely get the disease at all.

California did this right.  Not perfectly, but well done.
 
2021-06-18 11:43:29 AM  
Whatever that dude is getting paid, it's not enough.
 
2021-06-18 11:58:20 AM  

Catlenfell: Whatever that dude is getting paid, it's not enough.


If Disney finds out who he is, he's not gonna get paid by them any more tho.
 
2021-06-19 10:10:42 AM  
I grew up at Disneyland and Dworld, my folks were Disney Ambassadors, and original employees. It's always been our version if the city park.

It is very likely I will never see inside again. Exorbitant prices, overcrowding, and scrambling to get any attraction reservation is too difficult. One is very likely not getting one for Star Wars or Cars land as the reservations are all grabbed in a few stressful minutes by  thousands of hotel guests who have preference, thus making sure my $200 is wasted,

I am not going to pay them to have nothing but a terrible, stressful experience.
 
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