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2021-06-18 6:13:10 AM  
That was my main gripe about the 1st season and it also wasn't great. Like the story was written and they just stuck Picard in.

Hopefully this one will be different.

One of the Q TNG novels was pretty good. Just do that please.
 
2021-06-18 6:20:26 AM  
And Q's having aged will be explained as showing empathy to Picard or to mock him?
 
2021-06-18 6:25:05 AM  
That first season completely put me off the whole story, including TNG. It was THAT bad.
 
2021-06-18 6:30:40 AM  
We just did this. The link to the prior thread is still sitting over to the right for me.
 
2021-06-18 6:32:30 AM  
{Insert joke about James Bond, Avenue Q, etc..}
 
2021-06-18 6:49:55 AM  
Q sucks.  "Hey, let's just throw out all pretense of this being scifi and throw in a trickster God so we can ignore  the genre entirely."
 
2021-06-18 6:51:50 AM  
I watched Picard and I only remember that the killed Icheb in a flashback. Otherwise it was not memorable for me and I don't care about anything they put out under that title. It's obvious they had no idea what the Picard character actually was. They treated it like Lost and it came out shiatty.
 
2021-06-18 7:06:53 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: I watched Picard and I only remember that the killed Icheb in a flashback. Otherwise it was not memorable for me and I don't care about anything they put out under that title. It's obvious they had no idea what the Picard character actually was. They treated it like Lost and it came out shiatty.


It was a complete betrayal of the optimism at the end of All Good Things. And for what (I'm not blaming the actors) another dystopian Moore BSG (I curse the day day that garbage ever went on the air) with shiatty "troubled" characters and grimmmmmnesss.
And what the f*ck was going on with the pervert siblings?
 
2021-06-18 7:27:14 AM  
Submittrr wins 1 internet

/can pick up at Drew's orifice
 
2021-06-18 7:29:06 AM  
Good sci if (and Trek is good sci-fi) always shines a light on the present. 60s Trek was all about the Cold War. 80s and 90s Trek was about building after a Cold War. Those were more hopeful Treks because they were more hopeful times.

Picard is all about what you do when order breaks down. When institutions you used to trust aren't trustworthy. When your heroes turn out to be flawed people - even weak. It's about what good people need to do when everything is falling apart.

I'd say it's exactly the right show for right now. If you dislike it, your fight likely isn't with the content, but the context.
 
2021-06-18 7:32:35 AM  

towatchoverme: Good sci if (and Trek is good sci-fi) always shines a light on the present. 60s Trek was all about the Cold War. 80s and 90s Trek was about building after a Cold War. Those were more hopeful Treks because they were more hopeful times.

Picard is all about what you do when order breaks down. When institutions you used to trust aren't trustworthy. When your heroes turn out to be flawed people - even weak. It's about what good people need to do when everything is falling apart.

I'd say it's exactly the right show for right now. If you dislike it, your fight likely isn't with the content, but the context.


Okay, Alex Kurtzman.
 
2021-06-18 7:40:53 AM  

towatchoverme: Good sci if (and Trek is good sci-fi) always shines a light on the present. 60s Trek was all about the Cold War. 80s and 90s Trek was about building after a Cold War. Those were more hopeful Treks because they were more hopeful times.

Picard is all about what you do when order breaks down. When institutions you used to trust aren't trustworthy. When your heroes turn out to be flawed people - even weak. It's about what good people need to do when everything is falling apart.

I'd say it's exactly the right show for right now. If you dislike it, your fight likely isn't with the content, but the context.


The very ending and stupid conceit of it was the problem.  Not to spoil, for the one interested person who hadn't seen it yet, but they do something elaborate with the actual self of Picard which is totally unnecessary, accomplishes nothing, and ultimately means nothing. It's made clear it won't make him function any different going forward, which is totally, stupidly unbelievable given what was actually done.
 
2021-06-18 7:40:58 AM  
Q is just lazy writing. The only worse episodes are Barclays.
 
2021-06-18 7:48:46 AM  

Bslim: That first season completely put me off the whole story, including TNG. It was THAT bad.


I liked the idea of Picard being on the outs with Starfleet and discovering that a lot of people treat him like an irrelevant sanctimonious windbag when there isn't a fleet of starships at his back.  I liked the idea of him getting over his own ego and trying to heroically do the right thing against all odds - and starting to see that when your options are limited, sometimes you have to compromise.

I didn't like the stupid 'the science only works for twins' part, or old man Picard getting thrown dozens of yards by an explosion and not being turned into inert jelly.  I didn't like copying the Mass Effect plot.  I didn't like throwing in a Borg cube and then discarding it like it was nothing (it would have been better to nerf it with some technobabble and then keep it, maybe just have Seven launch a smaller scout craft or something).  I didn't like killing Picard and then expecting the audience to accept an android with a Picard emulation running as the same person as their deus ex for having a 'dying' character and still having a second season.  And I really didn't like the 'easy' button that made the Big Bad retreat without complaint.

There was a solid core concept there, and then they went and tacked stupid on top of stupid and ended it with a big 'fark you'.  Now they're starting season 2 with 'no more sci fi, we're going with gods now'.

The start of the first season didn't put me off the whole thing, but if the way it ended wasn't enough to do it the start of the second would be.
 
2021-06-18 8:26:01 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Bslim: That first season completely put me off the whole story, including TNG. It was THAT bad.

I liked the idea of Picard being on the outs with Starfleet and discovering that a lot of people treat him like an irrelevant sanctimonious windbag when there isn't a fleet of starships at his back.  I liked the idea of him getting over his own ego and trying to heroically do the right thing against all odds - and starting to see that when your options are limited, sometimes you have to compromise.

I didn't like the stupid 'the science only works for twins' part, or old man Picard getting thrown dozens of yards by an explosion and not being turned into inert jelly.  I didn't like copying the Mass Effect plot.  I didn't like throwing in a Borg cube and then discarding it like it was nothing (it would have been better to nerf it with some technobabble and then keep it, maybe just have Seven launch a smaller scout craft or something).  I didn't like killing Picard and then expecting the audience to accept an android with a Picard emulation running as the same person as their deus ex for having a 'dying' character and still having a second season.  And I really didn't like the 'easy' button that made the Big Bad retreat without complaint.

There was a solid core concept there, and then they went and tacked stupid on top of stupid and ended it with a big 'fark you'.  Now they're starting season 2 with 'no more sci fi, we're going with gods now'.

The start of the first season didn't put me off the whole thing, but if the way it ended wasn't enough to do it the start of the second would be.


Between Picard and Disco I retroactively don't care about Trek as a storyline anymore. Like why am I going to watch the Pike show knowing how the galaxy turns out later?

The future in Picard wasn't worth the fight Kirk and Picard and Sisko and Janeway fought to get there. The future in Discovery wasn't worth Zephram Cochrane even opening a physics textbook for.

Same with Star Wars. The whole rebellion was for nothing now.
 
2021-06-18 8:34:43 AM  
I did notice in the Season 2 Trailer that the all-powerful Q harps on Picard getting old, and apparently not being omnipotent enough to realize the being he's talking too is actually chronologically a baby (after my last post, someone outright discussed what was done to Picard, so no sense in being coy about it now).

I'm wondering if the show in Season 2 actually intends to just act like Picard is just who and what he would have been if that inane, moronic thing had never happened.  Never sick. Never died. Never replaced.  Just an old fart with a long history and an annoying demigod harassing him.
 
2021-06-18 8:38:20 AM  

towatchoverme: Good sci if (and Trek is good sci-fi) always shines a light on the present. 60s Trek was all about the Cold War. 80s and 90s Trek was about building after a Cold War. Those were more hopeful Treks because they were more hopeful times.


The 60s were a more hopeful time? In the middle of the Cold War? In the middle of Vietnam? After the assassination of JFK?
 
2021-06-18 8:44:49 AM  

JerkStore: Q is just lazy writing. The only worse episodes are Barclays.


instead of what you said: if you don't like Q you aren't saying yes to life.
Q is silly, and silliness comes from having extra energy.  you don't feel silly when you hurt or are exhausted.  that energy, chaos, is the inertia that is the motive factor of all of life.
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//42 slashies!
 
2021-06-18 8:51:50 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Q sucks.  "Hey, let's just throw out all pretense of this being scifi and throw in a trickster God so we can ignore  the genre entirely."


How many the fark times did Kirk and Spock have to detail with a quasi-omnipotent, malevolent being? Bonus points if it was somehow related to a Terran concept of divinity. Was it five? I kind of think it was five. These things have been a part of most incarnations of Trek and sometimes they are handy to introduce a discussion of Big Ideas, or just to do something a little goofier than usual. Or both.

Q is more entertaining than 2/3rds of TNG's cast and has more of a claim to being on a show about Picard than Seven does.

Picard kind of petered out in its first season. I don't even remember the finale and I know I watched it. I don't have endless Riker and Troi nostalgia to buoy my enthusiasm and I felt like the "let's see how the old cast is doing" was the ONLY well they went back to during the first season.

But I generally enjoy Discovery (I kinda watch around Michael Burnham because the whole supporting cast is a joy) and I really like Lower Decks and the Short Treks. If Nostaglia-Trek needs to exist, at least we get some Q out of it. That'll tide me over until we can get the Quark-centric season that the fans deserve.
 
2021-06-18 8:53:48 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: towatchoverme: Good sci if (and Trek is good sci-fi) always shines a light on the present. 60s Trek was all about the Cold War. 80s and 90s Trek was about building after a Cold War. Those were more hopeful Treks because they were more hopeful times.

The 60s were a more hopeful time? In the middle of the Cold War? In the middle of Vietnam? After the assassination of JFK?


1966.

Although indirectly involved for years, direct US involvement in Vietnam was fresh and not yet driving the culture and in people's minds.

It is true a wave of assassinations were fresh in minds, but it didn't crystalize as cultural cynicism.

The Cold War is a hard one to describe. There was fear during that phase of it, but also a growing sense of American superiority (justified or not).

You didn't mention the Civil Rights movement, I noticed.  Probably because while it could be portrayed as another in that list of conflicts, it (and the accompanying counter-culture) was that source of optimism/hope. Pop culture DID start having sharper edges than in the 50s and early 60s though. You can actually see that inside Star Trek if you compare some of the messaging vs. almost any earlier show. So "hopeful" might be the wrong word.  But comparatively to the decades of those later shows?  Sure.
 
2021-06-18 8:59:42 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Q sucks.  "Hey, let's just throw out all pretense of this being scifi and throw in a trickster God so we can ignore the genre entirely."


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Disney(-plus) did/is doing it.
 
2021-06-18 9:00:36 AM  

likefunbutnot: How many the fark times did Kirk and Spock have to detail with a quasi-omnipotent, malevolent being?


Does that include the NBC suits?
 
2021-06-18 9:05:44 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Does that include the NBC suits?


For a minute I thought "Nuclear, Biological, Chemical what?" I was only counting in-continuity, but it's still good of you to check.
 
2021-06-18 9:18:56 AM  
Koodz:

Between Picard and Disco I retroactively don't care about Trek as a storyline anymore. Like why am I going to watch the Pike show knowing how the galaxy turns out later?


Sadly, that's where I'm at too. This Trek is no longer for me.
 
2021-06-18 9:21:48 AM  

Trik: And Q's having aged will be explained as showing empathy to Picard or to mock him?


Yes.
 
2021-06-18 9:23:53 AM  
NIce that Picard pt 2 is borrowing from BTTF pt 2.  I just wonder where the time split is.  It is obviously before Seven is assimilated, but that actually raises multiple problems:

IIRC she was really young when captured by the borg and had her maturation sped up.  Had she not be assimilated she would be 10 years (?) younger looking.
 
2021-06-18 9:28:52 AM  

towatchoverme: Good sci if (and Trek is good sci-fi) always shines a light on the present. 60s Trek was all about the Cold War. 80s and 90s Trek was about building after a Cold War. Those were more hopeful Treks because they were more hopeful times.

Picard is all about what you do when order breaks down. When institutions you used to trust aren't trustworthy. When your heroes turn out to be flawed people - even weak. It's about what good people need to do when everything is falling apart.

I'd say it's exactly the right show for right now. If you dislike it, your fight likely isn't with the content, but the context.


Counterpoint: A show shining light on the present doesn't necessarily make for good sci fi.

Crap is crap, no matter how culturally relevant and current it may be.
 
2021-06-18 9:30:57 AM  

whosits_112: Trik: And Q's having aged will be explained as showing empathy to Picard or to mock him?

Yes.


Are you SURE you don't want me to make you immortal jean luc?  I mean...this is DISGUSTING.
 
2021-06-18 9:37:18 AM  
My problem with S1 of Picard is that Jean-Luc is a McGuffin in his own show. It's not about him; it's about a girl who thinks she's human but discovers she's actually an android, and her quest to re-discover her humanity.
But nobody's going to watch a show called "Star Trek: Soji".

/also, what the fark is up with the names "Soji" and "Dahj" - are those the 24th Century equivalent of "Nevaeh" and "Abcde"?
//The Riker-Troi episode was pathetically blatant fanservice to pad out the series
///slashie factor 3
 
2021-06-18 9:43:10 AM  
Star Trek was never exactly hard sci-fi anyway.

And John de Lancie makes an excellent trickster god.
 
2021-06-18 9:43:43 AM  

puckrock2000: My problem with S1 of Picard is that Jean-Luc is a McGuffin in his own show. It's not about him; it's about a girl who thinks she's human but discovers she's actually an android, and her quest to re-discover her humanity.
But nobody's going to watch a show called "Star Trek: Soji".

/also, what the fark is up with the names "Soji" and "Dahj" - are those the 24th Century equivalent of "Nevaeh" and "Abcde"?
//The Riker-Troi episode was pathetically blatant fanservice to pad out the series
///slashie factor 3


That was another problem. I mean, what was the casting call for those characters?
Bland
Non-actors
Generic

How was anyone even supposed to give a sh*t about any of these creatures. They barley registered any interest. While the Pornhub siblings were doing another show entirely.
 
2021-06-18 9:58:37 AM  
I can't wait for the episode where Q has to fight Mister Mxyzptlk, Bat-mite, and The Great Gazoo for the title of  laziest plot device.
 
2021-06-18 9:59:40 AM  
If he eliminates the Kelvin timeline and the last season of Picard, erasing the garbage that the entire franchise has been buried under for more than a decade because Abrams doesn't know how to raise stakes without blowing everything up (thus allowing DS9 reboot to exist in the very interesting and dynamic galaxy it left behind), then that's cool.

/And maybe let Avery Brooks punch John Delancy in the face again
 
2021-06-18 10:05:40 AM  

Slybri: I can't wait for the episode where Q has to fight Mister Mxyzptlk, Bat-mite, and The Great Gazoo for the title of  laziest plot device.


They basically did that as a comic.

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2021-06-18 10:22:22 AM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: That was my main gripe about the 1st season and it also wasn't great. Like the story was written and they just stuck Picard in.

Hopefully this one will be different.

One of the Q TNG novels was pretty good. Just do that please.


Another high-stakes season arc is really not what they need. They've already demonstrated that they can't write those worth a damn, so they ought to stop. There are other ways to structure a season of TV.

/ both of the best current Treks are comedy series.
// And one of those is kinda bad.
/// WTF.
 
2021-06-18 10:22:57 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: towatchoverme: Good sci if (and Trek is good sci-fi) always shines a light on the present. 60s Trek was all about the Cold War. 80s and 90s Trek was about building after a Cold War. Those were more hopeful Treks because they were more hopeful times.

The 60s were a more hopeful time? In the middle of the Cold War? In the middle of Vietnam? After the assassination of JFK?


Crazy, isn't it? With all that, they still look like the Good Old Days compared to now.
 
2021-06-18 10:33:46 AM  

towatchoverme: Good sci if (and Trek is good sci-fi) always shines a light on the present. 60s Trek was all about the Cold War. 80s and 90s Trek was about building after a Cold War. Those were more hopeful Treks because they were more hopeful times.

Picard is all about what you do when order breaks down. When institutions you used to trust aren't trustworthy. When your heroes turn out to be flawed people - even weak. It's about what good people need to do when everything is falling apart.

I'd say it's exactly the right show for right now. If you dislike it, your fight likely isn't with the content, but the context.


I agree with your premise, but not your conclusion.  Picard started out interesting for me because it hit exactly on those themes for me in the first three episodes.  Picard was an idealist, perhaps to a fault because he seemed to have lost all his pragmatism of old, but that was ok because it fit the storyline and I liked the idea of him becoming more idealistic as he grew older instead of more bitter and cynical.

And I loved the fact that he had grown so out of touch living on his vineyard, he not only had failed to realize Starfleet had fundamentally changed for the worse by drawing inward, he thought he could just waltz back into HQ, demand a ship, and the only thing the brass would ask is "how big a ship do you need, Admiral?"  Instead he gets rebuked for what he is: an old man living in the past, who doesn't realize the world has long since moved on without him.  It was a terrific set up.

Then he went into space, and it became incoherent.  The promising premise was immediately jettisoned for cartoonish villains, space flowers, and ninja Romulans.  And in the last five minutes, the show jettisoned the entire idea about the moral conflict of creating an artificial race, not to mention the concept of human mortality, by resolving Picard's terminal medical condition by saying, "Oh yeah.  We put your brain in a robot somehow, or something.  But you aren't immortal because we designed you to die in a few years of something else.  Just don't think about it too much.  Hey look! Space flowers!"

Ugh.
 
2021-06-18 10:38:49 AM  

Rocket To Russia: Olympic Trolling Judge: towatchoverme: Good sci if (and Trek is good sci-fi) always shines a light on the present. 60s Trek was all about the Cold War. 80s and 90s Trek was about building after a Cold War. Those were more hopeful Treks because they were more hopeful times.

The 60s were a more hopeful time? In the middle of the Cold War? In the middle of Vietnam? After the assassination of JFK?

Crazy, isn't it? With all that, they still look like the Good Old Days compared to now.


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Aww, you poor snowflake...
 
2021-06-18 10:52:54 AM  

Rocket To Russia: Olympic Trolling Judge: towatchoverme: Good sci if (and Trek is good sci-fi) always shines a light on the present. 60s Trek was all about the Cold War. 80s and 90s Trek was about building after a Cold War. Those were more hopeful Treks because they were more hopeful times.

The 60s were a more hopeful time? In the middle of the Cold War? In the middle of Vietnam? After the assassination of JFK?

Crazy, isn't it? With all that, they still look like the Good Old Days compared to now.


This is a completely ludicrous statement.
 
2021-06-18 11:00:34 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Bslim: That first season completely put me off the whole story, including TNG. It was THAT bad.

I liked the idea of Picard being on the outs with Starfleet and discovering that a lot of people treat him like an irrelevant sanctimonious windbag when there isn't a fleet of starships at his back.  I liked the idea of him getting over his own ego and trying to heroically do the right thing against all odds - and starting to see that when your options are limited, sometimes you have to compromise.

I didn't like the stupid 'the science only works for twins' part, or old man Picard getting thrown dozens of yards by an explosion and not being turned into inert jelly.  I didn't like copying the Mass Effect plot. I didn't like throwing in a Borg cube and then discarding it like it was nothing (it would have been better to nerf it with some technobabble and then keep it, maybe just have Seven launch a smaller scout craft or something).  I didn't like killing Picard and then expecting the audience to accept an android with a Picard emulation running as the same person as their deus ex for having a 'dying' character and still having a second season.  And I really didn't like the 'easy' button that made the Big Bad retreat without complaint.

There was a solid core concept there, and then they went and tacked stupid on top of stupid and ended it with a big 'fark you'.  Now they're starting season 2 with 'no more sci fi, we're going with gods now'.

The start of the first season didn't put me off the whole thing, but if the way it ended wasn't enough to do it the start of the second would be.


Not even just copying Mass Effect, copying the really stupid turn the plot takes in the last 10 minutes of the trilogy.
 
2021-06-18 11:02:05 AM  

gilgigamesh: towatchoverme: Good sci if (and Trek is good sci-fi) always shines a light on the present. 60s Trek was all about the Cold War. 80s and 90s Trek was about building after a Cold War. Those were more hopeful Treks because they were more hopeful times.

Picard is all about what you do when order breaks down. When institutions you used to trust aren't trustworthy. When your heroes turn out to be flawed people - even weak. It's about what good people need to do when everything is falling apart.

I'd say it's exactly the right show for right now. If you dislike it, your fight likely isn't with the content, but the context.

I agree with your premise, but not your conclusion.  Picard started out interesting for me because it hit exactly on those themes for me in the first three episodes.  Picard was an idealist, perhaps to a fault because he seemed to have lost all his pragmatism of old, but that was ok because it fit the storyline and I liked the idea of him becoming more idealistic as he grew older instead of more bitter and cynical.

And I loved the fact that he had grown so out of touch living on his vineyard, he not only had failed to realize Starfleet had fundamentally changed for the worse by drawing inward, he thought he could just waltz back into HQ, demand a ship, and the only thing the brass would ask is "how big a ship do you need, Admiral?"  Instead he gets rebuked for what he is: an old man living in the past, who doesn't realize the world has long since moved on without him.  It was a terrific set up.

Then he went into space, and it became incoherent.  The promising premise was immediately jettisoned for cartoonish villains, space flowers, and ninja Romulans.  And in the last five minutes, the show jettisoned the entire idea about the moral conflict of creating an artificial race, not to mention the concept of human mortality, by resolving Picard's terminal medical condition by saying, "Oh yeah.  We put your brain in a robot somehow, or something.  But you aren't immortal because we designed you to die in a few years of something else.  Just don't think about it too much.  Hey look! Space flowers!"

Ugh.


Not to mention the whole Data/Not Data nonsense they couldn't exactly pull off coherently.
*A situation that was hilariously brought about because Spiner and Stewart  clowned with the Nemesis script.
 
2021-06-18 11:35:21 AM  
The "artificial creatures from beyond time" was pretty stupid, but it did explain why so many races in the galaxy are at a similar level of development. I appreciated that addition to the canon.

The rest was pretty stupid. Bringing back multiple characters from old series just to kill them felt very un-Trek.

And why give Picard a magic tumor(?) that 24th century medicine couldn't cure so that he could die but not actually kill  him?

Bslim: It was a complete betrayal of the optimism at the end of All Good Things. And for what (I'm not blaming the actors) another dystopian Moore BSG (I curse the day day that garbage ever went on the air) with shiatty "troubled" characters and grimmmmmnesss.


I enjoyed BSG (well, 3.5 seasons of it. They had a X Files/Lost problem). But it has inspired some really terrible copycats from other franchises that are not supposed to be dark and gritty and full of terrible people. I'm looking at you, SG:U.
 
2021-06-18 11:39:18 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Bslim: That first season completely put me off the whole story, including TNG. It was THAT bad.

I liked the idea of Picard being on the outs with Starfleet and discovering that a lot of people treat him like an irrelevant sanctimonious windbag when there isn't a fleet of starships at his back.  I liked the idea of him getting over his own ego and trying to heroically do the right thing against all odds - and starting to see that when your options are limited, sometimes you have to compromise.

I didn't like the stupid 'the science only works for twins' part, or old man Picard getting thrown dozens of yards by an explosion and not being turned into inert jelly.  I didn't like copying the Mass Effect plot.  I didn't like throwing in a Borg cube and then discarding it like it was nothing (it would have been better to nerf it with some technobabble and then keep it, maybe just have Seven launch a smaller scout craft or something).  I didn't like killing Picard and then expecting the audience to accept an android with a Picard emulation running as the same person as their deus ex for having a 'dying' character and still having a second season.  And I really didn't like the 'easy' button that made the Big Bad retreat without complaint.

There was a solid core concept there, and then they went and tacked stupid on top of stupid and ended it with a big 'fark you'.  Now they're starting season 2 with 'no more sci fi, we're going with gods now'.

The start of the first season didn't put me off the whole thing, but if the way it ended wasn't enough to do it the start of the second would be.


It took one concept from DS9, however, and ran with it:  the Federation is not perfect.  The people living in it are not perfect.  And I said this in the other thread, but after looking at that trailer, here's what I think the new season is about:

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2021-06-18 12:31:38 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Q sucks.  "Hey, let's just throw out all pretense of this being scifi and throw in a trickster God so we can ignore  the genre entirely."


Worked in the Flintstones

(Yes the Flintstones was clearly a post-apocalyptic future)
 
2021-06-18 1:02:37 PM  

fallingcow: White_Scarf_Syndrome: That was my main gripe about the 1st season and it also wasn't great. Like the story was written and they just stuck Picard in.

Hopefully this one will be different.

One of the Q TNG novels was pretty good. Just do that please.

Another high-stakes season arc is really not what they need. They've already demonstrated that they can't write those worth a damn, so they ought to stop. There are other ways to structure a season of TV.

/ both of the best current Treks are comedy series.
// And one of those is kinda bad.
/// WTF.


I dunno I spent 10 minutes on Lower Decks and turned it off. Seems geared for my 9 year old. He's into animatronic horror right now.

I kept asking myself why Picard would even care? And then Will shows up?

I'm just gonna come out and say it.

Garak vs Q

Total Assholes. It must be done.
 
2021-06-18 1:39:28 PM  
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Does he crash anything?
 
2021-06-18 4:37:29 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Unsung_Hero: Q sucks.  "Hey, let's just throw out all pretense of this being scifi and throw in a trickster God so we can ignore the genre entirely."

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Disney(-plus) did/is doing it.


Speaking of, I would love to see Loki and Q meet.
 
2021-06-18 4:51:11 PM  
I really enjoyed season 1 so I'm hyped for season 2. I also loved Lower Decks, Discovery, and Nemesis, so there's your calibration.
 
2021-06-18 6:01:14 PM  

LeftisRightisWrong: I would love to see Loki and Q meet.


Q outclasses Loki by orders of magnitude.  Loki's physically tough, a shapeshifter, and has some ability to create illusions and control magical artifacts.  Q can alter reality on vast scales in an instant.

What are they going to compare notes on if they're not fighting?  Loki would be boring to Q, but not boring enough to mess with like he does Picard.
 
2021-06-18 6:23:53 PM  
Awesome. Star Trek is best when the stories focus on time travel and in the end everything gets reset and nothing matters.
 
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