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(Guardian)   EU: It is the Summer of Love. We've been vaccinated and cases are dropping everywhere and people have been cooped up and EVERYONE IS WELCOME. Well, except for UK, where cases are rising   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2021-06-16 6:13:15 PM  
Hey everybody!  We're all gonna get laid!
 
2021-06-16 6:15:27 PM  
Given how well the UK was doing, compared to how poorly the EU was doing, what changed?
 
2021-06-16 6:24:24 PM  
I've been keeping my eyes on Italy and Romania and both are having issues getting their rural populations vaccinated.   Romania is also dealing with a culture that is still superstitious.   They've been very slow with their rollouts, too -- both countries.
 
2021-06-16 6:26:54 PM  
The UK rather famously disinvited itself from the EU.
 
2021-06-16 6:28:31 PM  

Gubbo: Given how well the UK was doing, compared to how poorly the EU was doing, what changed?


Good question.
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2021-06-16 6:28:55 PM  

syrynxx: Hey everybody!  We're all gonna get laid!


Heh... almost a PCU reference. Enough so that I think I'll revisit that flick out later. Thanks dude - a nice cure for a bout of depression!
 
2021-06-16 6:29:00 PM  

Gubbo: Given how well the UK was doing, compared to how poorly the EU was doing, what changed?


The UK was focused on first doses, and the Delta variant's rapid growth has everybody worried. When you compare to same time last year (when cases fell off during the summer despite nobody being vaccinated) the current growth in cases is worrisome as heck.

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2021-06-16 6:29:11 PM  

raerae1980: I've been keeping my eyes on Italy and Romania and both are having issues getting their rural populations vaccinated.   Romania is also dealing with a culture that is still superstitious.   They've been very slow with their rollouts, too -- both countries.


'Superstitious' is a little unfair.  They're only a little stitious.

/his cap was detated!
 
2021-06-16 6:34:25 PM  

raerae1980: I've been keeping my eyes on Italy and Romania and both are having issues getting their rural populations vaccinated.   Romania is also dealing with a culture that is still superstitious.   They've been very slow with their rollouts, too -- both countries.


No problem, just tell them the vaccine also repels vampires, werewolves, and goth tourists.
 
2021-06-16 6:35:49 PM  

VOCSL5: syrynxx: Hey everybody!  We're all gonna get laid!

Heh... almost a PCU reference. Enough so that I think I'll revisit that flick out later. Thanks dude - a nice cure for a bout of depression!


Might wanna throw on Caddyshack first.
We're All Gonna Get Laid
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2021-06-16 6:36:06 PM  
wxboy - The UK rather famously disinvited itself from the EU.

I was about to say. There is no 'except', subby, the UK is no longer part of the EU.

/do you think the EU version of Campbell's Alphabet soup had those letters removed?
 
2021-06-16 6:36:19 PM  

VOCSL5: syrynxx: Hey everybody!  We're all gonna get laid!

Heh... almost a PCU reference. Enough so that I think I'll revisit that flick out later. Thanks dude - a nice cure for a bout of depression!


Or maybe a Caddyshack reference
 
2021-06-16 6:37:16 PM  

VOCSL5: syrynxx: Hey everybody!  We're all gonna get laid!

Heh... almost a PCU reference. Enough so that I think I'll revisit that flick out later. Thanks dude - a nice cure for a bout of depression!


Now I know why tigers eat their young.
 
2021-06-16 6:38:10 PM  

Gubbo: Given how well the UK was doing, compared to how poorly the EU was doing, what changed?


Not sure about other places in Europe but here in Switzerland COVID is pretty much gone.
 
2021-06-16 6:51:47 PM  

minorshan: Gubbo: Given how well the UK was doing, compared to how poorly the EU was doing, what changed?

Good question.
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I'd think it would come down to the quality of the vaccine.  You could have a high vaccine rate, but used the Russian or Chinese vaccine, so you're screwed.
 
2021-06-16 6:52:53 PM  
I mentioned the other day that the UK is still not offering vaccines to everyone age 12 and above.Plus they are prioritizing  1st doses only.

/The USA is doing a much better job at involving multiple avenues to get a covid vaccine.
//Was called a liar when I pointed out the UK's pathetic vaccination campaign.
 
2021-06-16 6:56:18 PM  

Gubbo: Given how well the UK was doing, compared to how poorly the EU was doing, what changed?


Delta variant from India and opening up just a tiny bit too early.

I'm looking forward to going out a little bit the variants are worrying me.
 
2021-06-16 7:01:11 PM  

AllCatsAreBeautiful: I mentioned the other day that the UK is still not offering vaccines to everyone age 12 and above.Plus they are prioritizing  1st doses only.

/The USA is doing a much better job at involving multiple avenues to get a covid vaccine.
//Was called a liar when I pointed out the UK's pathetic vaccination campaign.


Yup. I said a couple of months ago that you can't compare the vaccination rates in the uk to other places because they're focusing on first shots and people are missing they're second shot in the required timeframe.  The usual suspect said I was wrong.

Compare it to Switzerland where they have been slow but methodical, practically hunting down old people using dart gins before opening up the next tiers.  No one missed their second dose despite younger people having to wait for their first dose.

Things are almost fully open here. Can't wait to go to the opera. Went to a restaurant last week.
 
2021-06-16 7:02:44 PM  

AllCatsAreBeautiful: I mentioned the other day that the UK is still not offering vaccines to everyone age 12 and above.Plus they are prioritizing  1st doses only.

/The USA is doing a much better job at involving multiple avenues to get a covid vaccine.
//Was called a liar when I pointed out the UK's pathetic vaccination campaign.


Except at this point in the US everyone that wants one has one, except kids.  All the vaccination sites near me have been walk-up for weeks now and I haven't seen anyone but the staff there any time I've walked or driven by.
 
2021-06-16 7:03:19 PM  
It's nice that they've readded the USA, but not all of the states here are doing equally better, or getting everyone vaccinated.
 
2021-06-16 7:04:23 PM  

comrade: AllCatsAreBeautiful: I mentioned the other day that the UK is still not offering vaccines to everyone age 12 and above.Plus they are prioritizing  1st doses only.

/The USA is doing a much better job at involving multiple avenues to get a covid vaccine.
//Was called a liar when I pointed out the UK's pathetic vaccination campaign.

Yup. I said a couple of months ago that you can't compare the vaccination rates in the uk to other places because they're focusing on first shots and people are missing they're second shot in the required timeframe.  The usual suspect said I was wrong.

Compare it to Switzerland where they have been slow but methodical, practically hunting down old people using dart gins before opening up the next tiers.  No one missed their second dose despite younger people having to wait for their first dose.

Things are almost fully open here. Can't wait to go to the opera. Went to a restaurant last week.


I had a hell of a time scheduling my vaccination (I'm in California), but I was automatically scheduled for the second shot when I got the first one.

I'm going to go visit family next week.  I haven't seen them in over a year.  Then I'm going to a casino to play some blackjack and drink too much.
 
2021-06-16 7:11:34 PM  

OgreMagi: comrade: AllCatsAreBeautiful: I mentioned the other day that the UK is still not offering vaccines to everyone age 12 and above.Plus they are prioritizing  1st doses only.

/The USA is doing a much better job at involving multiple avenues to get a covid vaccine.
//Was called a liar when I pointed out the UK's pathetic vaccination campaign.

Yup. I said a couple of months ago that you can't compare the vaccination rates in the uk to other places because they're focusing on first shots and people are missing they're second shot in the required timeframe.  The usual suspect said I was wrong.

Compare it to Switzerland where they have been slow but methodical, practically hunting down old people using dart gins before opening up the next tiers.  No one missed their second dose despite younger people having to wait for their first dose.

Things are almost fully open here. Can't wait to go to the opera. Went to a restaurant last week.

I had a hell of a time scheduling my vaccination (I'm in California), but I was automatically scheduled for the second shot when I got the first one.

I'm going to go visit family next week.  I haven't seen them in over a year.  Then I'm going to a casino to play some blackjack and drink too much.


not too much.
 
2021-06-16 7:18:38 PM  

comrade: AllCatsAreBeautiful: I mentioned the other day that the UK is still not offering vaccines to everyone age 12 and above.Plus they are prioritizing  1st doses only.

/The USA is doing a much better job at involving multiple avenues to get a covid vaccine.
//Was called a liar when I pointed out the UK's pathetic vaccination campaign.

Yup. I said a couple of months ago that you can't compare the vaccination rates in the uk to other places because they're focusing on first shots and people are missing they're second shot in the required timeframe.  The usual suspect said I was wrong.

Compare it to Switzerland where they have been slow but methodical, practically hunting down old people using dart gins before opening up the next tiers.  No one missed their second dose despite younger people having to wait for their first dose.

Things are almost fully open here. Can't wait to go to the opera. Went to a restaurant last week.


Heh. Dart gins.
 
2021-06-16 7:20:18 PM  

AllCatsAreBeautiful: I mentioned the other day that the UK is still not offering vaccines to everyone age 12 and above.Plus they are prioritizing  1st doses only.

/The USA is doing a much better job at involving multiple avenues to get a covid vaccine.
//Was called a liar when I pointed out the UK's pathetic vaccination campaign.


The UK has been prioritizing second doses since the beginning of April. Pro rata we've given more second doses than the US. We have yet to approve a vaccine for children.

Our increase in cases is due to the Delta variant. Thankfully deaths are very low.
 
2021-06-16 7:21:41 PM  

haknudsen: AllCatsAreBeautiful: I mentioned the other day that the UK is still not offering vaccines to everyone age 12 and above.Plus they are prioritizing  1st doses only.

/The USA is doing a much better job at involving multiple avenues to get a covid vaccine.
//Was called a liar when I pointed out the UK's pathetic vaccination campaign.

Except at this point in the US everyone that wants one has one, except kids.  All the vaccination sites near me have been walk-up for weeks now and I haven't seen anyone but the staff there any time I've walked or driven by.


It took try number three to get my second jab. Clinics kept closing down early, changing hours shorter and shorter and no updating websites.
 
2021-06-16 7:31:16 PM  
They did the Brexit, so they don't get to Sexit.
 
2021-06-16 7:36:40 PM  

AllCatsAreBeautiful: I mentioned the other day that the UK is still not offering vaccines to everyone age 12 and above.Plus they are prioritizing  1st doses only.

/The USA is doing a much better job at involving multiple avenues to get a covid vaccine.
//Was called a liar when I pointed out the UK's pathetic vaccination campaign.


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The UK overtook the US for fully vaccinated a week ago, and is way ahead of the EU average.

The Delta strain is mainly behind the surge, but the vaccines we use, AstraZeica and Pfizer mainly, are both still very effective at preventing serious illness, hospitalisation and death. "Cases" are rising, deaths are not.

Yesterday the UK had ten deaths. France had 80, Italy 63, Germany 111 and the USA 352. So the vaccines are working very well, but the rise in cases is worrying as the more cases the more chance of deaths, the more chance of mutations etc.
 
2021-06-16 7:40:17 PM  

comrade: Yup. I said a couple of months ago that you can't compare the vaccination rates in the uk to other places because they're focusing on first shots and people are missing they're second shot in the required timeframe.  The usual suspect said I was wrong.

Compare it to Switzerland where they have been slow but methodical, practically hunting down old people using dart gins before opening up the next tiers.  No one missed their second dose despite younger people having to wait for their first dose.


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Well, you are slightly ahead of the EU average....

comrade: The usual suspect said I was wrong.


Looks like they were right....

/Was in Geneva last February, just as this was all kicking off.
 
2021-06-16 7:41:56 PM  

cyberspacedout: It's nice that they've readded the USA, but not all of the states here are doing equally better, or getting everyone vaccinated.


We've learned lately that certain States (Texas and Missouri to start, but they won't be the last ones in this showdown... ) want to be treated like they're independent nations?  Fine.  Tell other countries they can start allowing or disallowing American tourists BY STATE of residence.
 
2021-06-16 7:49:06 PM  

Gubbo: Given how well the UK was doing, compared to how poorly the EU was doing, what changed?


Astra Zenica not working really well against the Delta variant from India.

Mean while, no one is really pissed off about Denmark going "OMG kill it with Fire!" about all its 20 million minks.
 
2021-06-16 7:50:46 PM  

minorshan: Gubbo: Given how well the UK was doing, compared to how poorly the EU was doing, what changed?

Good question.
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Astra Zenica.
 
2021-06-16 8:05:36 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: Gubbo: Given how well the UK was doing, compared to how poorly the EU was doing, what changed?

Astra Zenica not working really well against the Delta variant from India.

Mean while, no one is really pissed off about Denmark going "OMG kill it with Fire!" about all its 20 million minks.


AstraZeneca has a vaccine effectiveness of 92% for hospitalisations against the Delta variant.
 
2021-06-16 8:08:05 PM  
Pakistan and Bangladesh had lower Delta variant infection numbers than India, yet the UK red-flagged them two weeks before India, all the while Johnson was on the brink of signing a trade agreement** with India. Those two weeks are making UK people incredibly angry.

// **Not really a trade agreement.
 
2021-06-16 8:13:15 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: Astra Zenica not working really well against the Delta variant from India.


On the other hand, AstraZenica is very good at giving people nasty blood clots.

However, it's cheap, so plenty of governments don't care that it could potentially harm you and provide less protection from covid variants. Which is going to hurt in the long run when all it does is breed more variants with immunity to vaccines.
 
2021-06-16 8:14:52 PM  

Scaley: Ketchuponsteak: Gubbo: Given how well the UK was doing, compared to how poorly the EU was doing, what changed?

Astra Zenica not working really well against the Delta variant from India.

Mean while, no one is really pissed off about Denmark going "OMG kill it with Fire!" about all its 20 million minks.

AstraZeneca has a vaccine effectiveness of 92% for hospitalisations against the Delta variant.


More specifics about vaccine effectiveness against the Delta variant:

"At the end of May, researchers at Public Health England posted data (which had not been peer-reviewed) indicating that two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were 88 percent effective at preventing a symptomatic infection with the Delta variant. Meanwhile, the data said, two doses of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine were 60 percent effective. (Notably, just one shot of either vaccine was not protective, offering only 33 percent efficacy against symptomatic Delta infections. Experts emphasized the importance of not skipping the second dose.)
Data out of Scotland Monday likewise suggested that two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were 79 percent effective against the Delta variant, while two doses of Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine were again 60 percent effective."
 
2021-06-16 8:22:41 PM  

Nidiot: Ketchuponsteak: Astra Zenica not working really well against the Delta variant from India.

On the other hand, AstraZenica is very good at giving people nasty blood clots.

However, it's cheap, so plenty of governments don't care that it could potentially harm you and provide less protection from covid variants. Which is going to hurt in the long run when all it does is breed more variants with immunity to vaccines.


By spreading misinformation like this, you are causing more harm than the AstraZeneca vaccine does.
 
2021-06-16 8:23:53 PM  

evilsofa: Scaley: Ketchuponsteak: Gubbo: Given how well the UK was doing, compared to how poorly the EU was doing, what changed?

Astra Zenica not working really well against the Delta variant from India.

Mean while, no one is really pissed off about Denmark going "OMG kill it with Fire!" about all its 20 million minks.

AstraZeneca has a vaccine effectiveness of 92% for hospitalisations against the Delta variant.

More specifics about vaccine effectiveness against the Delta variant:

"At the end of May, researchers at Public Health England posted data (which had not been peer-reviewed) indicating that two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were 88 percent effective at preventing a symptomatic infection with the Delta variant. Meanwhile, the data said, two doses of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine were 60 percent effective. (Notably, just one shot of either vaccine was not protective, offering only 33 percent efficacy against symptomatic Delta infections. Experts emphasized the importance of not skipping the second dose.)
Data out of Scotland Monday likewise suggested that two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were 79 percent effective against the Delta variant, while two doses of Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine were again 60 percent effective."


And the AstraZenica supporters will say "eh, close enough".

I say you do you, all I want is to be given the choice so that I can decide which level of risk/protection I would like for myself.

/also, well done Denmark
 
2021-06-16 8:25:32 PM  

Gubbo: Given how well the UK was doing, compared to how poorly the EU was doing, what changed?


Delta variant.

When India was so badly hit that they were running out of oxygen, the UK didn't ban travel to India because the government was in the process of negotiating a trade deal and didn't want to upset the Indian government.

Apparently, they decided that "please sign a deal, we're so desperate we'll kill thousands of our own citizens rather than turn you away" was a strong negotiating stance.

I disagree.

By the time they added India to the red list for travel the delta variant was thoroughly established in some of the most vulnerable and least vaccinated communities in the UK.

Now the delta variant is out of control and, as one dose of vaccine won't protect against it, the strategy of maximising first-dose recipients which worked well against the original and the Kent variant isn't helping any more.

TL;DR Boris Johnson has finally run out of luck and his bad decisions have caught up with him and all of us.
 
2021-06-16 8:29:34 PM  

BarryJV: Gubbo: Given how well the UK was doing, compared to how poorly the EU was doing, what changed?

Delta variant.

When India was so badly hit that they were running out of oxygen, the UK didn't ban travel to India because the government was in the process of negotiating a trade deal and didn't want to upset the Indian government.

Apparently, they decided that "please sign a deal, we're so desperate we'll kill thousands of our own citizens rather than turn you away" was a strong negotiating stance.

I disagree.

By the time they added India to the red list for travel the delta variant was thoroughly established in some of the most vulnerable and least vaccinated communities in the UK.

Now the delta variant is out of control and, as one dose of vaccine won't protect against it, the strategy of maximising first-dose recipients which worked well against the original and the Kent variant isn't helping any more.

TL;DR Boris Johnson has finally run out of luck and his bad decisions have caught up with him and all of us.


And nothing will happen, the UK press will blame Labour and Remainers, and nothing will change.
 
2021-06-16 8:36:02 PM  

evilsofa: Nidiot: Ketchuponsteak: Astra Zenica not working really well against the Delta variant from India.

On the other hand, AstraZenica is very good at giving people nasty blood clots.

However, it's cheap, so plenty of governments don't care that it could potentially harm you and provide less protection from covid variants. Which is going to hurt in the long run when all it does is breed more variants with immunity to vaccines.

By spreading misinformation like this, you are causing more harm than the AstraZeneca vaccine does.


AstraZenica linked to clotting syndrome TTS - true.

AstraZenica has lower efficacy against covid infection - true.

Greater number of covid infections leads to greater potential for mutations, (any problem with that?)  which could lead to variants with greater immunity to vaccines. Okay I can't prove that last bit, I just drew that conclusion myself, mea culpa.
 
2021-06-16 8:41:51 PM  

evilsofa: Scaley: Ketchuponsteak: Gubbo: Given how well the UK was doing, compared to how poorly the EU was doing, what changed?

Astra Zenica not working really well against the Delta variant from India.

Mean while, no one is really pissed off about Denmark going "OMG kill it with Fire!" about all its 20 million minks.

AstraZeneca has a vaccine effectiveness of 92% for hospitalisations against the Delta variant.

More specifics about vaccine effectiveness against the Delta variant:

"At the end of May, researchers at Public Health England posted data (which had not been peer-reviewed) indicating that two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were 88 percent effective at preventing a symptomatic infection with the Delta variant. Meanwhile, the data said, two doses of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine were 60 percent effective. (Notably, just one shot of either vaccine was not protective, offering only 33 percent efficacy against symptomatic Delta infections. Experts emphasized the importance of not skipping the second dose.)
Data out of Scotland Monday likewise suggested that two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were 79 percent effective against the Delta variant, while two doses of Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine were again 60 percent effective."


Yeah, and it reduces hospitalisations by 92% with regard to the Delta variant.
 
2021-06-16 8:42:10 PM  

Gubbo: Given how well the UK was doing, compared to how poorly the EU was doing, what changed?


The weak get sick no matter what. A culling was inevitable. "Doing well" just means inflicting economic harm so the same deadwood of society will get sick later. That's why NYC cases dropped off so fast in the US, the disease progressed very efficiently early on.
 
2021-06-16 8:48:22 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: Gubbo: Given how well the UK was doing, compared to how poorly the EU was doing, what changed?

Astra Zenica not working really well against the Delta variant from India.

Mean while, no one is really pissed off about Denmark going "OMG kill it with Fire!" about all its 20 million minks.


It's working very well. "Cases" are rising. Deaths are not.
 
2021-06-16 8:54:41 PM  

Nidiot: AstraZenica linked to clotting syndrome TTS - true.

AstraZenica has lower efficacy against covid infection - true.


A lower effectiveness against catching Covid. But still very effective at preventing hospitalisation, ventilation and death. If a vaccine turns a deadly disease into a bit of a bad cold then I'd class that as very effective.

The UKs rise in cases but not a rise in deaths clearly supports that.

I already mentioned that the rise in cases is still worrying because it will still allow mutations etc so it's not all hugs and puppies, but to just say the AZ vaccine is useless is simply wrong. It is saving lives.
 
2021-06-16 9:01:02 PM  

BarryJV: Now the delta variant is out of control and, as one dose of vaccine won't protect against it, the strategy of maximising first-dose recipients which worked well against the original and the Kent variant isn't helping any more.


But we overtook the USA a week ago for fully vaccinated, and are way way ahead of the EU. We overtook the EU for fully vaccinated in March. Why are you pushing the one dose policy now that that is ancient history and which worked very well at the time?
 
2021-06-16 9:24:18 PM  

stevesporn2000: Gubbo: Given how well the UK was doing, compared to how poorly the EU was doing, what changed?

The weak get sick no matter what. A culling was inevitable. "Doing well" just means inflicting economic harm so the same deadwood of society will get sick later. That's why NYC cases dropped off so fast in the US, the disease progressed very efficiently early on.


Careful of that edge
 
2021-06-16 9:41:57 PM  
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2021-06-16 11:05:15 PM  

TheSwizz: raerae1980: I've been keeping my eyes on Italy and Romania and both are having issues getting their rural populations vaccinated.   Romania is also dealing with a culture that is still superstitious.   They've been very slow with their rollouts, too -- both countries.

'Superstitious' is a little unfair.  They're only a little stitious.

/his cap was detated!


After watching this, I was like, "Nope, never going to Romania." Doesn't exactly sound very queer-friendly.

/yikes, this movie

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2021-06-16 11:08:56 PM  

Nidiot: evilsofa: Nidiot: Ketchuponsteak: Astra Zenica not working really well against the Delta variant from India.

On the other hand, AstraZenica is very good at giving people nasty blood clots.

However, it's cheap, so plenty of governments don't care that it could potentially harm you and provide less protection from covid variants. Which is going to hurt in the long run when all it does is breed more variants with immunity to vaccines.

By spreading misinformation like this, you are causing more harm than the AstraZeneca vaccine does.

AstraZenica linked to clotting syndrome TTS - true.

AstraZenica has lower efficacy against covid infection - true.

Greater number of covid infections leads to greater potential for mutations, (any problem with that?)  which could lead to variants with greater immunity to vaccines. Okay I can't prove that last bit, I just drew that conclusion myself, mea culpa.


You said, "AstraZenica is very good at giving people nasty blood clots." That is not true, and that is not the same statement as "AstraZenica linked to clotting syndrome TTS." So stop lying.
 
2021-06-16 11:26:42 PM  
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