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2021-06-15 5:03:03 PM  
Not really a pivot. Essential workers were out there no matter what. They stayed on the job when others stayed at home. Those folks they respected, because they kept the wheels rolling.

The market is grim right now. Folks aren't returning to sh*tty jobs. And there is enough competition to GET workers that they can pick and choose. That's not lazy. That's just smart. What industries are moaning about is that they are going to have to increase wages and stop being sh*theels to their workers. That's got NOTHING to do with essential workers. It's got everything to do with businesses that are realizing that the labor market has changed, and folks don't HAVE to put up with your bullsh*t.

I want to, right now, on the strength of my resume, I can get a job damn near anywhere in the US. Likely looking at a rise in base pay as well. Dishwashers are getting a taste of that feeling now too. Bartenders are getting that feeling. Counter help are getting that too. And if businesses don't get it through their heads to stop blaming the workers and maybe look at their incentives and pay structures, they deserve everything that comes their way.

Most industries HATE the idea of workers who realize that they are 100% necessary to the model, and value themselves and their work. Best get used to it, fellas.
 
2021-06-15 6:25:06 PM  
I think a lot of people who had been so busy doing the daily survival grind got a little bit of a break. Just enough time to reassess if that paycheck was worth what you had to put up with to get it. And many people are saying no.
 
2021-06-15 6:28:33 PM  
With all of the other violence on the increase in this country, why aren't these dickhead managers getting assaulted on a regular basis?
 
2021-06-15 6:34:22 PM  
If the CEOs of various companies are getting millions of dollars, plus perks (and they are), that is where companies can look for the funds to raise wages. For starters.

And they're right, the "pay your dues" bullshiat IS a trap. Most people expect to work a full day. They don't expect to be available 24/7, plus weekends, and they shouldn't.

To be frank, this country is built on abuse. Abuse of people of color, literally slaving in the case of black people, then after the Civil War, working for shiatty wages because employers were allowed to pay them less. Abuse of women, whose labor is often free, for shiat like caring for children and disabled relatives and older relatives. Abuse of younger people, told that they have to put up with whatever a boss wants to dole out because they can always be replaced.

I'm not saying this will solve all the problems, but for fark's sake, vote. In every election. There are 330 million people in this country and most of them aren't bosses or business owners.
 
2021-06-15 6:37:24 PM  
"Essential workers are our heroes" was always code for "Expendable workers are our heroes". Pay didn't go up for front line workers then, and its not now. The key thing to remember is that the labor is essential, but the workers are expendable.
 
2021-06-15 6:55:28 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: for shiat like caring for children


Damn... you were doing pretty well up to that point, too
 
2021-06-15 7:12:34 PM  
Wait until Teen Vogue hears about the medical residency system.  Then shiat will really hit the fan.
 
2021-06-15 7:15:17 PM  
Got a couple of relatives about to finish college and enter the workforce.  They've been working part-time.  I do not want them to have to pay dues the way I did.  I couldn't research employers quite so easily when I left school.  Not like they can now.

/Ken Tuchman can kindly fark himself to death.
 
2021-06-15 7:42:30 PM  
The only lie more obvious than "essential workers are our heroes" was "united we stand" 20 years ago.
 
2021-06-15 7:48:53 PM  
It's a sad indictment of the state of journalism today that you can look to Teen Vogueto write an article more serious than anything Time or Newsweek published recently.
 
2021-06-15 7:58:49 PM  
Ending the additional $300 a week unemployment won't solve the worker shortage. While some collecting unemployment are smoking cigarettes and watching Captain Kangaroo, others took the opportunity to get training for a better job, or went and started their own businesses. Those people won't be coming back to the crap wage service jobs.

The fact of the matter remains that this is an economic problem. When there is a shortage of labor, pricing adjusts until a new equilibrium is reached. Until pricing adjusts, there is going to continue to be a labor shortage.
 
2021-06-15 8:05:04 PM  
I think a lot of employers, especially the large ones, thought they were going to get labor at fire sale prices even below the pittience they were paying pre-pandemic. Turns out people aren't willing to do that, and I'm enjoying drinking the tears of the owner class.
 
2021-06-15 8:06:39 PM  

hubiestubert: Not really a pivot. Essential workers were out there no matter what. They stayed on the job when others stayed at home. Those folks they respected, because they kept the wheels rolling.

The market is grim right now. Folks aren't returning to sh*tty jobs. And there is enough competition to GET workers that they can pick and choose. That's not lazy. That's just smart. What industries are moaning about is that they are going to have to increase wages and stop being sh*theels to their workers. That's got NOTHING to do with essential workers. It's got everything to do with businesses that are realizing that the labor market has changed, and folks don't HAVE to put up with your bullsh*t.

I want to, right now, on the strength of my resume, I can get a job damn near anywhere in the US. Likely looking at a rise in base pay as well. Dishwashers are getting a taste of that feeling now too. Bartenders are getting that feeling. Counter help are getting that too. And if businesses don't get it through their heads to stop blaming the workers and maybe look at their incentives and pay structures, they deserve everything that comes their way.

Most industries HATE the idea of workers who realize that they are 100% necessary to the model, and value themselves and their work. Best get used to it, fellas.


the laziest motherfarkers are the sit at home company stock owners.   they don't lift a finger and live off of the Labor that puts value into company stock.

how's that for irony.   its all about the stock owners in Murca, not Labor.

Labor creates wealth.  Labor came before wealth and deserves the higher regard.
---A. Lincoln
 
2021-06-15 8:07:08 PM  

hubiestubert: Not really a pivot. Essential workers were out there no matter what. They stayed on the job when others stayed at home. Those folks they respected, because they kept the wheels rolling.

The market is grim right now. Folks aren't returning to sh*tty jobs. And there is enough competition to GET workers that they can pick and choose. That's not lazy. That's just smart. What industries are moaning about is that they are going to have to increase wages and stop being sh*theels to their workers. That's got NOTHING to do with essential workers. It's got everything to do with businesses that are realizing that the labor market has changed, and folks don't HAVE to put up with your bullsh*t.

I want to, right now, on the strength of my resume, I can get a job damn near anywhere in the US. Likely looking at a rise in base pay as well. Dishwashers are getting a taste of that feeling now too. Bartenders are getting that feeling. Counter help are getting that too. And if businesses don't get it through their heads to stop blaming the workers and maybe look at their incentives and pay structures, they deserve everything that comes their way.

Most industries HATE the idea of workers who realize that they are 100% necessary to the model, and value themselves and their work. Best get used to it, fellas.


They won't get used to it.

This is a temporary situation created by increased unemployment benefits, stimulus checks, and renewed social acceptance of being unemployed.

Very very very few people involved in this type of labor pool has the option of retirement. Once they run out of cash and benefits, they will be in the same situation they were before. Again, very few people are going to elect being homeless and begging for food and change over a crappy job.

Right now, a lot of business don't just have fewer workers, they have more customers. But it is all going to be temporary too. People who social distanced will go out more, for a while, and then remember all the reasons they didn't do it before and do it less.

Nothing has changed. Not really.

I'm a software developer and I enjoy a lot of the nice things you mentioned. But if the market were flooded / companies embraced wide scale off-shoring.... Well, I'm a busy guy with a wife and kids. If my salary were cut and I couldn't find a higher paying job, so be it. I have no power either.

Individual employees are powerless against the market. Unless there is some massive union that springs up, or government regulation, that's the reality of it.
 
2021-06-15 8:27:07 PM  
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2021-06-15 8:27:57 PM  
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2021-06-15 8:32:42 PM  

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Why, they have been consistently writing fantastic articles... What do you read buddy boy? Newsmax or USA Today?
 
2021-06-15 8:44:17 PM  

Linux_Yes: hubiestubert: Not really a pivot. Essential workers were out there no matter what. They stayed on the job when others stayed at home. Those folks they respected, because they kept the wheels rolling.

The market is grim right now. Folks aren't returning to sh*tty jobs. And there is enough competition to GET workers that they can pick and choose. That's not lazy. That's just smart. What industries are moaning about is that they are going to have to increase wages and stop being sh*theels to their workers. That's got NOTHING to do with essential workers. It's got everything to do with businesses that are realizing that the labor market has changed, and folks don't HAVE to put up with your bullsh*t.

I want to, right now, on the strength of my resume, I can get a job damn near anywhere in the US. Likely looking at a rise in base pay as well. Dishwashers are getting a taste of that feeling now too. Bartenders are getting that feeling. Counter help are getting that too. And if businesses don't get it through their heads to stop blaming the workers and maybe look at their incentives and pay structures, they deserve everything that comes their way.

Most industries HATE the idea of workers who realize that they are 100% necessary to the model, and value themselves and their work. Best get used to it, fellas.

the laziest motherfarkers are the sit at home company stock owners.   they don't lift a finger and live off of the Labor that puts value into company stock.

how's that for irony.   its all about the stock owners in Murca, not Labor.

Labor creates wealth.  Labor came before wealth and deserves the higher regard.
---A. Lincoln


Wtf makes you think the stock owners are sitting at home? Working people with 401ks are stock owners.
 
2021-06-15 8:51:09 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: It's a sad indictment of the state of journalism today that you can look to Teen Vogueto write an article more serious than anything Time or Newsweek published recently.


If you can control both the medium and the message, the narrative known to the populace is yoours.
 
2021-06-15 9:15:02 PM  

duckpoopy: Wtf makes you think the stock owners are sitting at home? Working people with 401ks are stock owners.


This talking point needs to die. The pittience of (non voting) shares in a 401k mutual fund are nothing compared to the people the OP is referring to. You know, the top 10% that own over 80% of the stocks out there.
 
2021-06-15 9:21:28 PM  

dustman81: Ending the additional $300 a week unemployment won't solve the worker shortage. While some collecting unemployment are smoking cigarettes and watching Captain Kangaroo, others took the opportunity to get training for a better job, or went and started their own businesses. Those people won't be coming back to the crap wage service jobs.

The fact of the matter remains that this is an economic problem. When there is a shortage of labor, pricing adjusts until a new equilibrium is reached. Until pricing adjusts, there is going to continue to be a labor shortage.


Old school Statler brothers fan, I see.  Well done.
 
2021-06-15 9:45:00 PM  
Gather around, kiddies, and I will tell you about how my own mother stuck her head off the balcony of her country club condo and howled along with her neighbors in the early days of the first lockdown for COVID19 in the US. All those oldsters sacrificing for their nation, and their community. It was a beautiful time.

And people all clapped at 7 pm, the time of the shift change at the local hospital, just to show solidarity with health workers and to show the great public appreciation for dealing with the RONA, as we called it back then.

The term ESSENTIAL, which was already overused and hacked, was used to apply to, well, just about everyone because Americans came to learn, really, that all of us, regardless of race, color, or creed, were essential for each other. The RONA brought us all together and healed our differences.

It was a better time, you see. Not like today.
 
2021-06-15 10:18:31 PM  
I put a sign in my yard and I tip the pizza guy.  What the hell else do you want from me?
 
2021-06-15 10:30:28 PM  

Secret Troll Alt: "Essential workers are our heroes" was always code for "Expendable workers are our heroes". Pay didn't go up for front line workers then, and its not now. The key thing to remember is that the labor is essential, but the workers are expendable.


It wasn't even that. They knew that essential workers were pissed as hell that they were left out there to risk their health and most were getting paid peanuts. What the employers of these workers started to do was to put out commercials thanking these "heroes" to pacify them to keep a worker revolt from happening, and it started spreading, and for the most part it worked.

This is a fairly common strategy. Show your appreciation for somebody's hard work and sacrifice by giving them a pat on the back and an empty compliment, instead of giving them some of substance, like compensation for that hard work and sacrifice. And it seems to work most of the time.
 
2021-06-15 11:00:38 PM  

ongbok: Secret Troll Alt: "Essential workers are our heroes" was always code for "Expendable workers are our heroes". Pay didn't go up for front line workers then, and its not now. The key thing to remember is that the labor is essential, but the workers are expendable.

It wasn't even that. They knew that essential workers were pissed as hell that they were left out there to risk their health and most were getting paid peanuts. What the employers of these workers started to do was to put out commercials thanking these "heroes" to pacify them to keep a worker revolt from happening, and it started spreading, and for the most part it worked.

This is a fairly common strategy. Show your appreciation for somebody's hard work and sacrifice by giving them a pat on the back and an empty compliment, instead of giving them some of substance, like compensation for that hard work and sacrifice. And it seems to work most of the time.


I like the 'tip your cashiers' movement. I guess "movement" is probably too strong a word, but at any rate it was (is?) nice. The employer should be doing something in most cases, but it's good when people step up.
 
2021-06-15 11:13:25 PM  

ongbok: Secret Troll Alt: "Essential workers are our heroes" was always code for "Expendable workers are our heroes". Pay didn't go up for front line workers then, and its not now. The key thing to remember is that the labor is essential, but the workers are expendable.

It wasn't even that. They knew that essential workers were pissed as hell that they were left out there to risk their health and most were getting paid peanuts. What the employers of these workers started to do was to put out commercials thanking these "heroes" to pacify them to keep a worker revolt from happening, and it started spreading, and for the most part it worked.

This is a fairly common strategy. Show your appreciation for somebody's hard work and sacrifice by giving them a pat on the back and an empty compliment, instead of giving them some of substance, like compensation for that hard work and sacrifice. And it seems to work most of the time.


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2021-06-16 12:40:43 AM  

duckpoopy: Linux_Yes: hubiestubert: Not really a pivot. Essential workers were out there no matter what. They stayed on the job when others stayed at home. Those folks they respected, because they kept the wheels rolling.

The market is grim right now. Folks aren't returning to sh*tty jobs. And there is enough competition to GET workers that they can pick and choose. That's not lazy. That's just smart. What industries are moaning about is that they are going to have to increase wages and stop being sh*theels to their workers. That's got NOTHING to do with essential workers. It's got everything to do with businesses that are realizing that the labor market has changed, and folks don't HAVE to put up with your bullsh*t.

I want to, right now, on the strength of my resume, I can get a job damn near anywhere in the US. Likely looking at a rise in base pay as well. Dishwashers are getting a taste of that feeling now too. Bartenders are getting that feeling. Counter help are getting that too. And if businesses don't get it through their heads to stop blaming the workers and maybe look at their incentives and pay structures, they deserve everything that comes their way.

Most industries HATE the idea of workers who realize that they are 100% necessary to the model, and value themselves and their work. Best get used to it, fellas.

the laziest motherfarkers are the sit at home company stock owners.   they don't lift a finger and live off of the Labor that puts value into company stock.

how's that for irony.   its all about the stock owners in Murca, not Labor.

Labor creates wealth.  Labor came before wealth and deserves the higher regard.
---A. Lincoln

Wtf makes you think the stock owners are sitting at home? Working people with 401ks are stock owners.


Not the people who own most of the stock. And not most of the people.
 
2021-06-16 12:43:14 AM  

ongbok: Secret Troll Alt: "Essential workers are our heroes" was always code for "Expendable workers are our heroes". Pay didn't go up for front line workers then, and its not now. The key thing to remember is that the labor is essential, but the workers are expendable.

It wasn't even that. They knew that essential workers were pissed as hell that they were left out there to risk their health and most were getting paid peanuts. What the employers of these workers started to do was to put out commercials thanking these "heroes" to pacify them to keep a worker revolt from happening, and it started spreading, and for the most part it worked.

This is a fairly common strategy. Show your appreciation for somebody's hard work and sacrifice by giving them a pat on the back and an empty compliment, instead of giving them some of substance, like compensation for that hard work and sacrifice. And it seems to work most of the time.


A boss at my first "real" job that I was friends with told me one day that folks like me are the hardest to motivate.

Why?  It's because I realize there's no value in getting my name on a board or getting thanked in a morning meeting or even getting free promotional stuff that I knew the company had lying around anyways.

Want to motivate me? Give me a raise. Or a bonus. Or at least a multi-purpose gift card that I can use how I like.

People work to earn money. You can't spend half-hearted coworker applause.  The fact that people struggle to get that applause confuses me.
 
2021-06-16 1:39:19 AM  
I mean, we can have a seance and ask what the dead essential workers think about all this.
 
2021-06-16 2:27:48 AM  
Gotta say, I am consistently pleased with the quality of Teen Vogue articles. Teenage me would likely not believe it if I went back and told him so.
 
2021-06-16 2:45:28 AM  
Fark Israel.

It is not a modern Western Democracy, it is a religious, bigotted, ethno state.

What Israel has been doing to the Palestinians over the last 70 years, is on a par with what the farking Nazies did to the Jews!!!

Yes I said it, no fight me on it.  Sure they do not have factory death camps, but they control everything that goes on in the Palestinian Ghetto.
 
2021-06-16 6:17:28 AM  

Langdon_777: Fark Israel.

It is not a modern Western Democracy, it is a religious, bigotted, ethno state.

What Israel has been doing to the Palestinians over the last 70 years, is on a par with what the farking Nazies did to the Jews!!!

Yes I said it, no fight me on it.  Sure they do not have factory death camps, but they control everything that goes on in the Palestinian Ghetto.


new phone, who dis!?
 
2021-06-16 7:36:59 AM  

Langdon_777: Fark Israel.

It is not a modern Western Democracy, it is a religious, bigotted, ethno state.

What Israel has been doing to the Palestinians over the last 70 years, is on a par with what the farking Nazies did to the Jews!!!

Yes I said it, no fight me on it.  Sure they do not have factory death camps, but they control everything that goes on in the Palestinian Ghetto.


There is a woman who comes to our local city council meetings who says these exact same things in every discussion in the same level of context to the order at hand.
 
2021-06-16 8:31:22 AM  
The article is not about the pivot from praising essential workers to denigrating people who are not returning to work.
The teenVogue headline sums up the article: Toxic Work Environments Shouldn't Be a Rite of Passage
 
2021-06-16 8:44:26 AM  

ThoughtsofaFool: ongbok: Secret Troll Alt: "Essential workers are our heroes" was always code for "Expendable workers are our heroes". Pay didn't go up for front line workers then, and its not now. The key thing to remember is that the labor is essential, but the workers are expendable.

It wasn't even that. They knew that essential workers were pissed as hell that they were left out there to risk their health and most were getting paid peanuts. What the employers of these workers started to do was to put out commercials thanking these "heroes" to pacify them to keep a worker revolt from happening, and it started spreading, and for the most part it worked.

This is a fairly common strategy. Show your appreciation for somebody's hard work and sacrifice by giving them a pat on the back and an empty compliment, instead of giving them some of substance, like compensation for that hard work and sacrifice. And it seems to work most of the time.

A boss at my first "real" job that I was friends with told me one day that folks like me are the hardest to motivate.

Why?  It's because I realize there's no value in getting my name on a board or getting thanked in a morning meeting or even getting free promotional stuff that I knew the company had lying around anyways.

Want to motivate me? Give me a raise. Or a bonus. Or at least a multi-purpose gift card that I can use how I like.

People work to earn money. You can't spend half-hearted coworker applause.  The fact that people struggle to get that applause confuses me.


I remember when they first started implementing actual work-related pay rates someone in a meeting trying to tell us that the competition of trying to get to the top on a given day would make the magic happen or what have you, and one of my fellow supervisors (who has like 15 years experience more than me) just looking at him and saying, "No...no, it's not." The guy thought she was being cynical.

\funny part is, they FINALLY admitted it was a failure last year after like 7 or 8 years
\\I assume they got sued by someone for bumping their pay down
\\\corporate BS will always be corporate BS, why they bother with it is beyond me
 
2021-06-16 9:02:01 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: If the CEOs of various companies are getting millions of dollars, plus perks (and they are), that is where companies can look for the funds to raise wages. For starters.

And they're right, the "pay your dues" bullshiat IS a trap. Most people expect to work a full day. They don't expect to be available 24/7, plus weekends, and they shouldn't.

To be frank, this country is built on abuse. Abuse of people of color, literally slaving in the case of black people, then after the Civil War, working for shiatty wages because employers were allowed to pay them less. Abuse of women, whose labor is often free, for shiat like caring for children and disabled relatives and older relatives. Abuse of younger people, told that they have to put up with whatever a boss wants to dole out because they can always be replaced.

I'm not saying this will solve all the problems, but for fark's sake, vote. In every election. There are 330 million people in this country and most of them aren't bosses or business owners.


Bolded for emphasis...there are a certain number of women who were lower wage secretaries, etc. who had to drop out of the workforce to take care of their kids who were no longer in school. Even if one could find care, it was super-expensive and unreliable since they had to shut down every time a kid got a sniffle or had a case in their household.

Also, there were a lot of women who had to work full-time, take care of kids, do all the housework, and cook all the meals (now 3x day because of kids)...cough, cough...so their partners could keep working. Yes, I know this was reversed in certain households, but it was still mostly women's work in the vast majority of cases. At that point, you begin to look at whether you need to work that much, if the income is worth it, if there is any job fulfillment or if you're just doing it because it is what is now expected or they didn't want to fall behind in their careers.

For women who didn't have kids yet, it might have made them think twice about having them.
 
2021-06-16 4:07:45 PM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Langdon_777: Fark Israel.

It is not a modern Western Democracy, it is a religious, bigotted, ethno state.

What Israel has been doing to the Palestinians over the last 70 years, is on a par with what the farking Nazies did to the Jews!!!

Yes I said it, no fight me on it.  Sure they do not have factory death camps, but they control everything that goes on in the Palestinian Ghetto.

There is a woman who comes to our local city council meetings who says these exact same things in every discussion in the same level of context to the order at hand.


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