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(Science Magazine)   The NIH may not quite have been the hallowed place of academic science and discovery it's thought to be   (sciencemag.org) divider line
    More: Scary, Discrimination, Sexual harassment, Sexism, Gender, Racism, Pleading, Bullying, accused scientist's institution  
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2021-06-15 1:08:09 PM  
The NIH is as hallowed as ever. The article is about the institutions that receive NIH grants. NIH screens out about 15% of complaints. The rest get forwarded to the institution for resolution. Of those, about a third are sustained and some more result in the PI leaving the institution despite no finding of guilt.
 
2021-06-15 1:51:43 PM  
PIs don't work for the NIH.  They work in universities, research institutes, and private corporations, doing research funded in whole or in part by grants given out by the NIH.

News flash - there is sexual harassment, old-boy networks, etc. in those organizations.
 
2021-06-15 2:47:08 PM  
Being good at research doesn't make someone a good boss, manager, or teacher.  In my experience it's frequently the opposite. These numbers are way too small, especially the numbers for bullying.

PIs have more power over their grad students and postdocs than any employer I've encountered outside of the military, (or illegal immigrant exploitation) especially if the student or employee is not from the US.  There isn't a lot of outside oversight for grad students, and frequently none for postdocs. Yet speaking out against a PI can prevent graduation, ruin careers, and make it impossible to get another position in the field.... Or that's what they say, to keep people quiet and complacent.  That's also what it feels like in the moment.

I have friends in therapy for PTSD thanks to abuse in grad school and postdocs. I had my own encounters with bullies who tried to prevent me from graduating (mostly because I supported friends who were being emotionally and at least once physically abused by their advisors.... Can't count the number of times one girl hid in my office until she could stop crying, because if her advisor saw her crying he'd yell at her more and break things.  That man was terrifying.

I was fortunate enough that my own advisor and the rest of my committee had my back.  Both those bullies left the institution to take positions elsewhere before the investigations were closed, only black mark was "left before tenure granted". farkers.

TLDR: Academia is farked up and these numbers are way too low.
 
2021-06-15 3:00:36 PM  
Oh come on! Who didn't get up to boyish shenanigans in the lab?

Who among us didn't have some harmless laughs when the Principle Investigator came out of the shower dripping wet and snapped his towel at the bare butts of the lab assistants who were...

... wait ... it's possible I'm thinking about a bathhouse in San Francisco. My mistake.
 
2021-06-15 4:34:44 PM  
So the NIH finds harassment at some of its grantees, demands action, and gets called un-hallowed?

What impudent tommyrottery.
 
2021-06-15 5:09:30 PM  

ZAZ: The article is about the institutions that receive NIH grants.


That's... what the NIH is.

I mean, first-party NIH research teeeeechnically exists, but the organization is primarily a network of third-party labs working together via government grants, and that's where what we would refer to as "NIH studies" come from the vast, vast majority of the time.

Categorizing a widespread issue found in member labs as an issue with NIH as a whole is entirely valid.

Like... this is the reason that this action was taken through NIH, because they're part of the organization.  NIH has to deal with employee issues for the same reason it gets to take credit for their work output: they're essentially what would be called "employees of NIH" under a capitalist model.
 
2021-06-15 7:50:28 PM  
Wait until they find out about the escaped super-rats.
 
2021-06-15 9:00:13 PM  
The problem is not with the academic science, it's with the academic scientists.
 
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