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2021-06-14 1:54:16 PM  
They're getting larger to meet the protester-killing needs of their Neo-Nazi customers.
 
2021-06-14 2:54:35 PM  
They keep getting larger, but the max load (by weight) doesn't change much at all.  Partly because they load the thing down with ;luxury; options.  And there's only so much you can carry without putting a lot more money into the chassis, bigger tires, better brakes, and most importantly doing something to get more torque out of the engine.

Electric trucks will be limited mostly by what the chassis and tires can handle, since DC electric motors have stupid high torque at low speeds.
 
2021-06-14 2:57:21 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: They're getting larger to meet the protester-killing needs of their Neo-Nazi customers.


Because only neo-nazis drive trucks?

/don't be an idiot
 
2021-06-14 2:58:12 PM  
and most importantly doing something to get more torque out of the engine.

LOL, modern trucks have far more power than they need as it is.
 
2021-06-14 2:58:28 PM  
I adjust my side mirrors for blind spot

works good
 
2021-06-14 2:59:17 PM  
if I want to look down the side of my vehicle I look into the convex mirrors
 
2021-06-14 3:00:01 PM  
Additions
 
2021-06-14 3:01:47 PM  
Aside from the obvious (hauling quantities of heavy/large/cumbersome items and materials), what use does one have for these nearly-monster trucks? At a glance, they have a very clear purpose, but it seems that they're seldom used that way.

Why is that?
 
2021-06-14 3:01:50 PM  
One of the things that bugs me a bit about the Ford F-150 Lightning is that the hood looks like a typical F-150. There's no engine or radiator up front that necessitates that kind of design. They could have improved the forward sight lines but didn't so it still "looked like a truck" so the common clay of the west would buy them.
 
2021-06-14 3:05:02 PM  
They seem a lot safer than the B2000 I had in high school. Looked something like this, had a 4-banger

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2021-06-14 3:11:33 PM  
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2021-06-14 3:16:05 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: They're getting larger to meet the protester-killing needs of their Neo-Nazi customers.


I'm 6'4" 290lbs. I drive a full size extended cab 4x4 truck because it's comfortable for me to drive farther than 30-40 miles. I'm a redneck from Arkansas but I'm a dirty librul too.

I'd love to have a 80s Lamborghini but I don't fit in them. Even a nice Toyota or Honda sedan is uncomfortable on my legs after having them jammed against the center console and door for an hour.

If they made a Toyota Prius big enough for me it would lose a majority of its advantages being small and light weight that gives it such efficiency after the battery is used up. Since I'm larger than average I have to drive what I fit comfortably in even if I don't need a huge truck/suv every time I go somewhere. Me having room to move my legs comfortably on the pedals is important. If your legs are crammed in a small space you aren't going to be able to react well in an emergency.
 
2021-06-14 3:21:43 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: One of the things that bugs me a bit about the Ford F-150 Lightning is that the hood looks like a typical F-150. There's no engine or radiator up front that necessitates that kind of design. They could have improved the forward sight lines but didn't so it still "looked like a truck" so the common clay of the west would buy them.


It also saves them the trouble of manufacturing a completely different front end for that one model.  Just pull the body panels out of the old parts bin and slap the right logos on it.
 
2021-06-14 3:23:58 PM  

Heamer: Aside from the obvious (hauling quantities of heavy/large/cumbersome items and materials), what use does one have for these nearly-monster trucks?


In a lot of the country, it's at least in part the exact same use a peacock has for its tail feathers and a deer does for its rack.  Mating display.  Get out to farmersonly-dot-com country and "drive a truck" and "looking for a man with a truck" are almost as cliche as "don't waste my time" and "my kids come first".
 
2021-06-14 3:28:30 PM  

Wesdog: I'd love to have a 80s Lamborghini


You mean your closest exotic car mechanic would love for you to have one.
 
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2021-06-14 3:28:51 PM  

FrancoFile: They keep getting larger, but the max load (by weight) doesn't change much at all.  Partly because they load the thing down with ;luxury; options.  And there's only so much you can carry without putting a lot more money into the chassis, bigger tires, better brakes, and most importantly doing something to get more torque out of the engine.


I remember when pickup trucks had two doors and the important part was the bed in back and the off-road capability underneath.

Then came Ford's SVT Lightning.
 
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2021-06-14 3:30:34 PM  

ZAZ: FrancoFile: They keep getting larger, but the max load (by weight) doesn't change much at all.  Partly because they load the thing down with ;luxury; options.  And there's only so much you can carry without putting a lot more money into the chassis, bigger tires, better brakes, and most importantly doing something to get more torque out of the engine.

I remember when pickup trucks had two doors and the important part was the bed in back and the off-road capability underneath.

Then came Ford's SVT Lightning.


I mean the 1990s Lightning, with reduced cargo capacity but sports car speed.  Not the new electric version.
 
2021-06-14 3:32:58 PM  

ZAZ: ZAZ: FrancoFile: They keep getting larger, but the max load (by weight) doesn't change much at all.  Partly because they load the thing down with ;luxury; options.  And there's only so much you can carry without putting a lot more money into the chassis, bigger tires, better brakes, and most importantly doing something to get more torque out of the engine.

I remember when pickup trucks had two doors and the important part was the bed in back and the off-road capability underneath.

Then came Ford's SVT Lightning.

I mean the 1990s Lightning, with reduced cargo capacity but sports car speed.  Not the new electric version.


And it handled waaay better than a solid axle and that Twin I-Beam suspension ever had a right to.  A friend let me take his for a spin to pick up some parts for a friend.  It was eye-opening.  The seats held you in place, and the chassis hardly rolled over in turns at all.
 
2021-06-14 3:42:21 PM  
Truck size growth observed to be inversely proportional to the square root of brain size

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2021-06-14 3:58:02 PM  

FrancoFile: They keep getting larger, but the max load (by weight) doesn't change much at all.  Partly because they load the thing down with ;luxury; options.  And there's only so much you can carry without putting a lot more money into the chassis, bigger tires, better brakes, and most importantly doing something to get more torque out of the engine.

Electric trucks will be limited mostly by what the chassis and tires can handle, since DC electric motors have stupid high torque at low speeds.


95% of commuter monster trucks are minivans for those insecure in their ability to signal their masculinity.
 
2021-06-14 4:17:43 PM  
I'm looking at a truck, but I can only justify it for heavy towing at least once a month, and offroading about the same frequency. Otherwise, our existing minivan does it all, including 4x8 sheets with the gate closed.

Not bragging that I can afford 4x8 sheets of anything right now. Or a pickup.

But there has never been a better time than right now to have a pickup as a single/primary vehicle if you space and budget allow. Go look at what a $70k RAM gives you -- it's insane. About on par with a $100k-$120k Mercedes SUV, with better capabilities. Not to mention, 33+mpg highway with the Diesel.
 
2021-06-14 4:25:37 PM  

NikolaiFarkoff: I'm looking at a truck, but I can only justify it for heavy towing at least once a month, and offroading about the same frequency. Otherwise, our existing minivan does it all, including 4x8 sheets with the gate closed.

Not bragging that I can afford 4x8 sheets of anything right now. Or a pickup.

But there has never been a better time than right now to have a pickup as a single/primary vehicle if you space and budget allow. Go look at what a $70k RAM gives you -- it's insane. About on par with a $100k-$120k Mercedes SUV, with better capabilities. Not to mention, 33+mpg highway with the Diesel.


We are looking at trucks now(what little are available).  And yes, the RAM we drove the other day was nicer inside than about every car I have ever been in including Acuras, BMWs and Lexuses (Lexi?).  Don't have much Mercedes experience so can't compare.
 
2021-06-14 4:30:07 PM  
stappawho:
We are looking at trucks now(what little are available).  And yes, the RAM we drove the other day was nicer inside than about every car I have ever been in including Acuras, BMWs and Lexuses (Lexi?).  Don't have much Mercedes experience so can't compare.

Yep, Mercedes just always pops in my head as consistently having the best sound deadening and ride quality across the board. I also think of them because so much of Chrysler's current lineup still owes a lot of its R&D to back when they were merged with Chrysler.

For example, the Jeep Grand Cherokee and Dodge Durango were co-developed with the Mercedes ML SUV (now called the GLE) and still have very similar platforms and suspensions to this day, over a decade later. It's interesting how you don't really change something that works.

Anyway, full-sized pickups may be expensive vehicles, but I can't fault them for what they offer. And most of them still have $30k-$40k work truck editions, so they really run the gamut.
 
2021-06-14 4:31:18 PM  
If the Gleewoman tried to drive one of the modern day monsters she'd need a booster seat to see over the 40 acre hood.

OTOH the Ford Maverick is looking right up our alley for a reasonably priced/sized and actually useful truck.
 
2021-06-14 4:34:15 PM  

AntonChigger: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: They're getting larger to meet the protester-killing needs of their Neo-Nazi customers.

Because only neo-nazis drive trucks?

/don't be an idiot


Nothing good is written on non-commercial pickup trucks.

I stand by the massive amount of evidence I see AND HEAR every damn day.
 
2021-06-14 4:35:10 PM  

Heamer: Aside from the obvious (hauling quantities of heavy/large/cumbersome items and materials), what use does one have for these nearly-monster trucks? At a glance, they have a very clear purpose, but it seems that they're seldom used that way.

Why is that?


Intimidation and compensation for small penises.
 
2021-06-14 4:36:51 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Wesdog: I'd love to have a 80s Lamborghini

You mean your closest exotic car mechanic would love for you to have one.


Nah that's all pretty easy stuff, especially the older ones. Unless they have mechanical fuel injection. I had several ASE certs as well as ASE parts certification (all expired) so that isn't an issue. Working on cars/motorcycles/lawnmowers is really pretty easy work. The real issue is that all of those cars were made for people 6' tall or ideally shorter. I can fix them just fine, I'd have to have someone else do the test drive after the repair though. I've sat in a few cars where even with the seat all the way back my legs were crammed in so tightly I couldn't pick my feet up off the firewall to put on the gas or brake pedal.

I had a poster of a 25th Anniversary Countach on my wall as a kid. I've since sat in one, I couldn't drive it if my life depended on it. Just can't physically operate the pedals safely.
 
2021-06-14 4:37:00 PM  

Wesdog: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: They're getting larger to meet the protester-killing needs of their Neo-Nazi customers.

I'm 6'4" 290lbs. I drive a full size extended cab 4x4 truck because it's comfortable for me to drive farther than 30-40 miles. I'm a redneck from Arkansas but I'm a dirty librul too.

I'd love to have a 80s Lamborghini but I don't fit in them. Even a nice Toyota or Honda sedan is uncomfortable on my legs after having them jammed against the center console and door for an hour.

If they made a Toyota Prius big enough for me it would lose a majority of its advantages being small and light weight that gives it such efficiency after the battery is used up. Since I'm larger than average I have to drive what I fit comfortably in even if I don't need a huge truck/suv every time I go somewhere. Me having room to move my legs comfortably on the pedals is important. If your legs are crammed in a small space you aren't going to be able to react well in an emergency.


Thanks for accelerating the end of the world.

At this point, I'm not even sarcastic. Let's get this death sprial over with.
 
2021-06-14 5:04:20 PM  
I've had a 2006 Jeep TJ since it was new.   Mileage sucks, but it's not used for long distances and gets 4-5k miles on the odometer every year.   That replaced a 1999 Ford Ranger that actually got pretty decent mileage with the 2.5 4 banger.

When I went to being a boat owner, I crunched the numbers and saw that it was cheaper to keep the small truck and keep a boat in a slip, than to get a truck large enough to tow a sailboat.

I've been thinking about the new Ford Maverick.   That hybrid engine would double my mileage as I use the Jeep.   I'd miss the open air thing, but the bike has that and incredible mileage
 
2021-06-14 5:36:19 PM  
And I've been on the other end of it, too. In 2017, I was crossing the street heading to class and was hit by a pickup truck that didn't see me.

I would bet even money the author of the article had their head buried in the phone as they were walking on autopilot to their destination. I say this because after taking a course at a local junior college a few years back, that behavior was far too common. This is not to suggest that the driver of the truck was not at fault (because from the description he was) but if you don't take responsibility for your own safety, it means you're totally relying on others, many who are complete idiots, so you don't get hurt.
 
2021-06-14 6:18:34 PM  
Not just pickups, I struggle getting used to my mom's Impala. Can't see crap behind me.
 
2021-06-14 6:52:21 PM  

Heamer: Aside from the obvious (hauling quantities of heavy/large/cumbersome items and materials), what use does one have for these nearly-monster trucks? At a glance, they have a very clear purpose, but it seems that they're seldom used that way.

Why is that?


Because America has subsidized gasoline and the production of oil for decades and decades. Our taxes pay for idiots to buy giant vehicles they don't need.
 
2021-06-14 6:53:33 PM  
Man... this thread is derpier than I thought. We need a carbon tax yesterday.
 
2021-06-14 6:54:26 PM  

Wesdog: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: They're getting larger to meet the protester-killing needs of their Neo-Nazi customers.

I'm 6'4" 290lbs. I drive a full size extended cab 4x4 truck because it's comfortable for me to drive farther than 30-40 miles. I'm a redneck from Arkansas but I'm a dirty librul too.

I'd love to have a 80s Lamborghini but I don't fit in them. Even a nice Toyota or Honda sedan is uncomfortable on my legs after having them jammed against the center console and door for an hour.

If they made a Toyota Prius big enough for me it would lose a majority of its advantages being small and light weight that gives it such efficiency after the battery is used up. Since I'm larger than average I have to drive what I fit comfortably in even if I don't need a huge truck/suv every time I go somewhere. Me having room to move my legs comfortably on the pedals is important. If your legs are crammed in a small space you aren't going to be able to react well in an emergency.


Have you tried not being 290lbs?
 
2021-06-14 7:04:05 PM  
I own what is now a small pickup in the form of a Nissan Frontier and a Honda Accord which is not a small car, though also not a large one either.  I was out in the Honda yesterday wanting to make a right turn, but the size of the new Chevy Silverado next to me in the through lane really blocked my view.  He wasn't over the crosswalk, stopped where he was supposed to, but it's just so tall.  I just don't know how it doesn't bug the hell out of them to try and maneuver them in parking lots.

I recently moved to a fairly modern residential neighborhood from one that was built in the 1950s.  Most of the homes built in 2015 or later.  We have folks here that bought the RV garage option on their homes just to have the space to park a modern full-size pickup or a super-duty type because they don't fit in a normal garage.  I know its terribly useful at times to have a pickup available.  I'm just wondering what pickup things they can't do in something similar to my Frontier that they can with larger ones?  These aren't people obviously in trades that would call for it, I do see those and I understand.  They may be in trades and not obvious.  Still...
 
2021-06-14 7:24:08 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Wesdog: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: They're getting larger to meet the protester-killing needs of their Neo-Nazi customers.

I'm 6'4" 290lbs. I drive a full size extended cab 4x4 truck because it's comfortable for me to drive farther than 30-40 miles. I'm a redneck from Arkansas but I'm a dirty librul too.

I'd love to have a 80s Lamborghini but I don't fit in them. Even a nice Toyota or Honda sedan is uncomfortable on my legs after having them jammed against the center console and door for an hour.

If they made a Toyota Prius big enough for me it would lose a majority of its advantages being small and light weight that gives it such efficiency after the battery is used up. Since I'm larger than average I have to drive what I fit comfortably in even if I don't need a huge truck/suv every time I go somewhere. Me having room to move my legs comfortably on the pedals is important. If your legs are crammed in a small space you aren't going to be able to react well in an emergency.

Thanks for accelerating the end of the world.

At this point, I'm not even sarcastic. Let's get this death sprial over with.


Someone get this guy his fainting couch.  Just look for the very-used one.
 
2021-06-14 7:32:44 PM  

NikolaiFarkoff: I'm looking at a truck, but I can only justify it for heavy towing at least once a month, and offroading about the same frequency. Otherwise, our existing minivan does it all, including 4x8 sheets with the gate closed.

Not bragging that I can afford 4x8 sheets of anything right now. Or a pickup.

But there has never been a better time than right now to have a pickup as a single/primary vehicle if you space and budget allow. Go look at what a $70k RAM gives you -- it's insane. About on par with a $100k-$120k Mercedes SUV, with better capabilities. Not to mention, 33+mpg highway with the Diesel.


It's also about on par with what a $40k Honda Odyssey or Toyota Sienna will get you. Including the MPG, especially the new Sienna (Although I pretty easily get over 30mpg on the highway in my Odyssey, and that's without having to option in a $10k diesel engine).

If you don't need the towing capacity or off-roading capability, which honestly many truck owners don't, it's silly to spend that much on a truck. People are allowed to spend that if they want, but I'm also allowed to mock their choices.
 
2021-06-14 8:13:44 PM  

Uncontrolled_Jibe: I've had a 2006 Jeep TJ since it was new.   Mileage sucks, but it's not used for long distances and gets 4-5k miles on the odometer every year.   That replaced a 1999 Ford Ranger that actually got pretty decent mileage with the 2.5 4 banger.

When I went to being a boat owner, I crunched the numbers and saw that it was cheaper to keep the small truck and keep a boat in a slip, than to get a truck large enough to tow a sailboat.

I've been thinking about the new Ford Maverick.   That hybrid engine would double my mileage as I use the Jeep.   I'd miss the open air thing, but the bike has that and incredible mileage


I think the new Maverick only has a tow rating of about 4,000lbs. I would guess that it uses the same drivetrain from the smaller SUV's. I think it'd make a good small truck if you don't need to tow or haul a lot.
 
2021-06-14 9:08:27 PM  
I'm about ready to start shooting the tire out, just on principle.

Likwit: Man... this thread is derpier than I thought. We need a carbon tax yesterday.


There;s too many ways around a carbon tax, and it would wind up being abused by businesses. A straight gas tax, now, like a couple dollars on every gallon, would help a lot.

Course now it's electric cars, so that would be a regressive tax like always, but on the other other hand, poor slobs could buy used cars for less.
We need to stop driving so much. Period. Start making it painful.
 
2021-06-14 9:16:16 PM  
My FIL traded in his older Ford Ranger for a new extended cab. Compared to the predecessor this thing is massive.

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2021-06-14 9:49:56 PM  

MLWS: My FIL traded in his older Ford Ranger for a new extended cab. Compared to the predecessor this thing is massive.


But fuel economy is the same or better with more than double the power. For $825 you can get the 320 horsepower upgrade that comes with premium unleaded fuel.
 
2021-06-14 9:51:59 PM  

NBSV: I think the new Maverick only has a tow rating of about 4,000lbs. I would guess that it uses the same drivetrain from the smaller SUV's.


Towing is also largely a function of cooling system capacity. Tou can have small turbocharged engines that deliver very good power ratings, but you better have a radiator big enough to dissipate enough heat to keep the engine working without overheating.
 
2021-06-14 10:14:32 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: They're getting larger to meet the protester-killing needs of their Neo-Nazi customers.


1/2" steel I-Beam homemade bumper, with skid plate made from old stop sign.
Made for resisting deer, but works great on domestic terrorist 'tards.
 
2021-06-14 10:37:45 PM  
are they really getting bigger?
My 85 f150,86 f350, 89 gmc 1500 were no smaller than my 98 f150 or my 2007 gmc 2500
If anything the turning radiuses are better and the blind spots are smaller (except for the damn A pillar. That is massive on my 2007 gmc).
The only thing that is larger, that I've noticed, is the size of the radiator and grille. Wheel sizes too.
 
2021-06-14 10:56:35 PM  
You know, vive la difference and all that, but someone driving an 18 wheeler needs a special license. Someone driving a bus or a limo needs a special license.

Have the dimensions of these vehicles created conditions whereby the operators or people around them face special hazards? And if not, well, when will that be? Between vehicles that people are not-driving from the back seat, cars made from Lear Jet bodies, triple sized semi-trailers, and now military vehicles sold as commuters, are US roadways becoming one big bumper car selfie?

It is obvious now that public transportation failed. Too bad. But roadways, as a KIND OF public transportation, should not become a tragedy of the commons.
 
2021-06-14 11:02:46 PM  

mrmopar5287: NBSV: I think the new Maverick only has a tow rating of about 4,000lbs. I would guess that it uses the same drivetrain from the smaller SUV's.

Towing is also largely a function of cooling system capacity. Tou can have small turbocharged engines that deliver very good power ratings, but you better have a radiator big enough to dissipate enough heat to keep the engine working without overheating.


turn on the heater

works on the rare occasion you're overheating
 
2021-06-15 12:19:33 AM  

SumoJeb: are they really getting bigger?
My 85 f150,86 f350, 89 gmc 1500 were no smaller than my 98 f150 or my 2007 gmc 2500
If anything the turning radiuses are better and the blind spots are smaller (except for the damn A pillar. That is massive on my 2007 gmc).
The only thing that is larger, that I've noticed, is the size of the radiator and grille. Wheel sizes too.


Dodge got wider in 94, and again in the 2010's.  Chevy got bigger in about 2008.  Ford....hmm maybe around same time as GM.  Are they a lot bigger?  No, D.O.T. regulations restrict that pretty much.  The Hummer H1 was widest at 8 feet, pretty much the limit for "sensible" vehicles.  No pickup is close to that.  But, they are better on gas. Even with the added weight from technical requirements (airbags, bigger brakes, larger transmissions, etc.).  Direct injection, turbos, diesels, etc make these larger vehicles just as, or even more, efficient.
 
2021-06-15 12:21:54 AM  

zepillin: mrmopar5287: NBSV: I think the new Maverick only has a tow rating of about 4,000lbs. I would guess that it uses the same drivetrain from the smaller SUV's.

Towing is also largely a function of cooling system capacity. Tou can have small turbocharged engines that deliver very good power ratings, but you better have a radiator big enough to dissipate enough heat to keep the engine working without overheating.

turn on the heater

works on the rare occasion you're overheating


Proper maintenance also works.  Just don't overload the vehicle and you're good.
 
2021-06-15 12:32:59 AM  

Wesdog: Dr Jack Badofsky: Wesdog: I'd love to have a 80s Lamborghini

You mean your closest exotic car mechanic would love for you to have one.

Nah that's all pretty easy stuff, especially the older ones. Unless they have mechanical fuel injection. I had several ASE certs as well as ASE parts certification (all expired) so that isn't an issue. Working on cars/motorcycles/lawnmowers is really pretty easy work. The real issue is that all of those cars were made for people 6' tall or ideally shorter. I can fix them just fine, I'd have to have someone else do the test drive after the repair though. I've sat in a few cars where even with the seat all the way back my legs were crammed in so tightly I couldn't pick my feet up off the firewall to put on the gas or brake pedal.

I had a poster of a 25th Anniversary Countach on my wall as a kid. I've since sat in one, I couldn't drive it if my life depended on it. Just can't physically operate the pedals safely.


I had a pre-25th on my wall.  No grates on the air intakes.  Red. Sexy as hell.
 
2021-06-15 2:48:26 AM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Wesdog:
I had a poster of a 25th Anniversary Countach on my wall as a kid. I've since sat in one, I couldn't drive it if my life depended on it. Just can't physically operate the pedals safely.

I had a pre-25th on my wall.  No grates on the air intakes.  Red. Sexy as hell.


I had this poster
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