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2021-06-14 11:28:35 AM  
It's a hoax sponsored by Subaru...

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2021-06-14 12:21:21 PM  
Belief before knowledge leads to deeply flawed understanding. Let's observe something first, and then we can easily believe it.
 
2021-06-14 1:07:20 PM  
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2021-06-14 1:14:25 PM  
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2021-06-14 1:17:03 PM  
Mathematically, does extraterrestrial life exist?   Definitely.

Probability, are technically advanced aliens visiting Earth? I don't think so.
 
2021-06-14 1:59:46 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: Mathematically, does extraterrestrial life exist?   Definitely.

Probability, are technically advanced aliens visiting Earth? I don't think so.


This. There are two explanations for UFO sightings. One involves people making bank on UFO stories by grabbing eyeballs for their website/supermarket tabloid, and the other involves aliens following some hopelessly altruistic "prime directive" kind of thing. I'll go with the people making bank theory.
 
2021-06-14 2:39:07 PM  

steve_wmn: brainlordmesomorph: Mathematically, does extraterrestrial life exist?   Definitely.

Probability, are technically advanced aliens visiting Earth? I don't think so.

This. There are two explanations for UFO sightings. One involves people making bank on UFO stories by grabbing eyeballs for their website/supermarket tabloid, and the other involves aliens following some hopelessly altruistic "prime directive" kind of thing. I'll go with the people making bank theory.


- or-

1. They've been here forever.
2. We've known since the 50's.
3. All of Star Trek has been a government propaganda project to prepare us for the inevitable announcement.
4. Its basically "now or never" if we're going to avoid wiping ourselves out.

/ That would be the last step in turning my life into a sci fi novel.
// in a post-pandemic, post-Trump, self-driving car world
/// where we have strange rituals  with forward slashes
 
2021-06-14 2:52:40 PM  

steve_wmn: brainlordmesomorph: Mathematically, does extraterrestrial life exist?   Definitely.

Probability, are technically advanced aliens visiting Earth? I don't think so.

This. There are two explanations for UFO sightings. One involves people making bank on UFO stories by grabbing eyeballs for their website/supermarket tabloid, and the other involves aliens following some hopelessly altruistic "prime directive" kind of thing. I'll go with the people making bank theory.


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2021-06-14 2:53:28 PM  
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2021-06-14 3:14:34 PM  
Given the absolutely ridiculous solar systems in our galaxy it is all but guaranteed that there is alien life.

The real question is whether or not any of it will be more advanced than pond scum

/Earth included
 
2021-06-14 3:15:19 PM  
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2021-06-14 3:34:13 PM  
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2021-06-14 4:02:06 PM  

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Good, because building a space wall could be a tad tricky.
 
2021-06-14 5:29:41 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: steve_wmn: brainlordmesomorph: Mathematically, does extraterrestrial life exist?   Definitely.

Probability, are technically advanced aliens visiting Earth? I don't think so.

This. There are two explanations for UFO sightings. One involves people making bank on UFO stories by grabbing eyeballs for their website/supermarket tabloid, and the other involves aliens following some hopelessly altruistic "prime directive" kind of thing. I'll go with the people making bank theory.

- or-

1. They've been here forever.
2. We've known since the 50's.
3. All of Star Trek has been a government propaganda project to prepare us for the inevitable announcement.
4. Its basically "now or never" if we're going to avoid wiping ourselves out.

/ That would be the last step in turning my life into a sci fi novel.
// in a post-pandemic, post-Trump, self-driving car world
/// where we have strange rituals  with forward slashes


Or the Plot to the movie "Paul" where he has advised many US governments and higher folks such as hollywood directors. :)
 
2021-06-14 7:10:16 PM  
"Earth is still quarantined. We gotta be in stealth-mode when we do visit, since we're bending-the-rules. Someday you might even join 'the federation' but you gotta stop killing your planet and each other"

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2021-06-14 9:22:27 PM  

SurfaceTension: Belief before knowledge leads to deeply flawed understanding. Let's observe something first, and then we can easily believe it.


No belief leads to no knowledge. The entirety of science is "Theory" - that is "Belief".

Well, one other person here at least spoke up. We see who knows what by these few protests of, "aliens are not real", here. Aliens are here. Whether or not they will do anything we will see. Right now the world is on the edge of a lot of things, and we very well could end up in Evolution's garbage bin. I regretfully (as in I really don't want to think this) think that the aliens are not going to step in, and we are going to destroy ourselves. I really don't have a logical clue to this, it is gut feeling.
 
2021-06-14 10:08:26 PM  

johnphantom: SurfaceTension: Belief before knowledge leads to deeply flawed understanding. Let's observe something first, and then we can easily believe it.

No belief leads to no knowledge. The entirety of science is "Theory" - that is "Belief".

Well, one other person here at least spoke up. We see who knows what by these few protests of, "aliens are not real", here. Aliens are here. Whether or not they will do anything we will see. Right now the world is on the edge of a lot of things, and we very well could end up in Evolution's garbage bin. I regretfully (as in I really don't want to think this) think that the aliens are not going to step in, and we are going to destroy ourselves. I really don't have a logical clue to this, it is gut feeling.


The colloquial use of the word "theory" can veer into belief, sure.

But, a Scientific Theory is the best possible explanation of all the available evidence, and subjected to repeated testing in an attempt to falsify it. To that end, there just isn't enough available evidence to say "aliens are here" in any productive way.

I'm open if there is positive evidence you'd like to present. But, because my belief follows knowledge, I'm not going to take innuendo, conspiracy theories, shaky or grainy video, or unsubstantiated eyewitness accounts as that evidence.

You may want to believe. I want to know.
 
2021-06-14 10:52:47 PM  

SurfaceTension: johnphantom: SurfaceTension: Belief before knowledge leads to deeply flawed understanding. Let's observe something first, and then we can easily believe it.

No belief leads to no knowledge. The entirety of science is "Theory" - that is "Belief".

Well, one other person here at least spoke up. We see who knows what by these few protests of, "aliens are not real", here. Aliens are here. Whether or not they will do anything we will see. Right now the world is on the edge of a lot of things, and we very well could end up in Evolution's garbage bin. I regretfully (as in I really don't want to think this) think that the aliens are not going to step in, and we are going to destroy ourselves. I really don't have a logical clue to this, it is gut feeling.

The colloquial use of the word "theory" can veer into belief, sure.

But, a Scientific Theory is the best possible explanation of all the available evidence, and subjected to repeated testing in an attempt to falsify it. To that end, there just isn't enough available evidence to say "aliens are here" in any productive way.

I'm open if there is positive evidence you'd like to present. But, because my belief follows knowledge, I'm not going to take innuendo, conspiracy theories, shaky or grainy video, or unsubstantiated eyewitness accounts as that evidence.

You may want to believe. I want to know.


There is good evidence going back 50 years. I can't help it if you want to ignore reality.
 
2021-06-14 11:38:11 PM  

johnphantom: SurfaceTension: johnphantom: SurfaceTension: Belief before knowledge leads to deeply flawed understanding. Let's observe something first, and then we can easily believe it.

No belief leads to no knowledge. The entirety of science is "Theory" - that is "Belief".

Well, one other person here at least spoke up. We see who knows what by these few protests of, "aliens are not real", here. Aliens are here. Whether or not they will do anything we will see. Right now the world is on the edge of a lot of things, and we very well could end up in Evolution's garbage bin. I regretfully (as in I really don't want to think this) think that the aliens are not going to step in, and we are going to destroy ourselves. I really don't have a logical clue to this, it is gut feeling.

The colloquial use of the word "theory" can veer into belief, sure.

But, a Scientific Theory is the best possible explanation of all the available evidence, and subjected to repeated testing in an attempt to falsify it. To that end, there just isn't enough available evidence to say "aliens are here" in any productive way.

I'm open if there is positive evidence you'd like to present. But, because my belief follows knowledge, I'm not going to take innuendo, conspiracy theories, shaky or grainy video, or unsubstantiated eyewitness accounts as that evidence.

You may want to believe. I want to know.

There is good evidence going back 50 years. I can't help it if you want to ignore reality.


There really isn't. I've been looking at these claims since I was in elementary school (much of that 50 years you're talking about), and nothing new or interesting has come along that passes the smell test.
 
2021-06-15 12:18:36 AM  
I saw something that I could not explain in broad daylight near Elgin AFB. No fins, no wings, no engines. Super shiny, almost invisible looked like a long cylinder. I had a really great look at it for 30 seconds or more in flight.

Of this world or some other...it was there, in flight here in daylight. How it achieved flight was the question I had on my mind while watching it. What was it came later.
 
2021-06-15 12:26:06 AM  

SurfaceTension: johnphantom: SurfaceTension: johnphantom: SurfaceTension: Belief before knowledge leads to deeply flawed understanding. Let's observe something first, and then we can easily believe it.

No belief leads to no knowledge. The entirety of science is "Theory" - that is "Belief".

Well, one other person here at least spoke up. We see who knows what by these few protests of, "aliens are not real", here. Aliens are here. Whether or not they will do anything we will see. Right now the world is on the edge of a lot of things, and we very well could end up in Evolution's garbage bin. I regretfully (as in I really don't want to think this) think that the aliens are not going to step in, and we are going to destroy ourselves. I really don't have a logical clue to this, it is gut feeling.

The colloquial use of the word "theory" can veer into belief, sure.

But, a Scientific Theory is the best possible explanation of all the available evidence, and subjected to repeated testing in an attempt to falsify it. To that end, there just isn't enough available evidence to say "aliens are here" in any productive way.

I'm open if there is positive evidence you'd like to present. But, because my belief follows knowledge, I'm not going to take innuendo, conspiracy theories, shaky or grainy video, or unsubstantiated eyewitness accounts as that evidence.

You may want to believe. I want to know.

There is good evidence going back 50 years. I can't help it if you want to ignore reality.

There really isn't. I've been looking at these claims since I was in elementary school (much of that 50 years you're talking about), and nothing new or interesting has come along that passes the smell test.


Yeah, go ahead, stick your head in the sand.
 
2021-06-15 12:27:55 AM  

SurfaceTension: looking at these claims...50 years you're talking about), and nothing new or interesting has come along that passes the smell test.


This is clearly bullshiat
 
2021-06-15 8:02:46 AM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: I saw something that I could not explain in broad daylight near Elgin AFB. No fins, no wings, no engines. Super shiny, almost invisible looked like a long cylinder. I had a really great look at it for 30 seconds or more in flight.

Of this world or some other...it was there, in flight here in daylight. How it achieved flight was the question I had on my mind while watching it. What was it came later.


Yet no cell phone video of it.

Hmm.
 
2021-06-15 8:08:21 AM  
ITT:

"Well, OBVIOUSLY FTL travel is possible and advanced civilizations would make a beeline to a penultimate galactic blackwater because WE'RE JUST THAT IMPORTANT."
 
2021-06-15 8:16:59 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: ITT:

"Well, OBVIOUSLY FTL travel is possible and advanced civilizations would make a beeline to a penultimate galactic blackwater because WE'RE JUST THAT IMPORTANT."


Yeah you are going to feel so dumb when they do announce it. We go to the bottom of the ocean and to dead planets like Mars, why wouldn't they study a planet with intelligent life on it?

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: I saw something that I could not explain in broad daylight near Elgin AFB. No fins, no wings, no engines. Super shiny, almost invisible looked like a long cylinder. I had a really great look at it for 30 seconds or more in flight.

Of this world or some other...it was there, in flight here in daylight. How it achieved flight was the question I had on my mind while watching it. What was it came later.

Yet no cell phone video of it.

Hmm.


Yeah, you are disengenously pointing to one incident where yago doesn't know if there is video when there are thousands if not tens of thousands of video.

//I swear Sagan and Rogers did a horrible thing telling people they were all special and "smart".
 
2021-06-15 8:55:31 AM  
ITT: A whole lot of dudes that think their incredulity at how big the universe is equals a guarantee of intelligent alien life.  Farking LOL.

Truth be told the universe is so young and the *very* large number of circumstances required to bring we humans to sentience adds up to us very possibly being the first intelligences in this whole fiasco.  Hell, the importance of the creation of Panama to our intelligence is something few understand but take for granted simply because there's a whole fark-ton of stars in the sky.
 
2021-06-15 8:57:29 AM  
Shiat, y'all; we just discovered atmostpheric sprites like 10years ago and y'all want to say every light in the sky is a space pervert wanting to probe ass.
 
2021-06-15 9:33:47 AM  
This is a good place to point out an observation I made years ago.

The "Gray" alien, as described in books like "Communion" and the Asgard of Stargate SG1, is not at all alien. AAMOF, its closer to human being than any other animal on Earth.

Terrestrial evolution has produced everything from viruses and jellyfish, to arachnids, elephants, dinosaurs and the duck-billed platypus. But only humans have a small clustered face under a large cranial vault. All other animals, even other primates, have a brain BEHIND their faces. Only humans have foreheads. "Grays "have even larger foreheads and larger cranial vaults.

Only humans walk fully upright, with our shoulders over our feet.The strutting of birds and knuckle walking of apes is different. Only humans have flat feet with heel bones. Other primates have hands down there and other mammals walk on what would be tiptoe for humans, and have a dew claw, or something where we have a heel.The "Gray" has flat feet and walks like we do.

And I haven't done this, but I'm pretty sure that if you did a photographic "morph" between the face of an ape and that of a "Gray" about halfway through, i think you'd have a modern human.

Taken together, these observations indicate that the "Gray" is simply a more (or differently) evolved human, or perhaps just a different ethnicity.

And if they human, then that would explain WHY they are HERE (of all places). The question then becomes; where are they from?

Are they from the future? Further evolution would indicate so.

Are we "the lost colony"? That is the plot of Battlestar Galactica.

Two-thirds of Earth is water, most of it STILL unexplored. Are they from the oceans? That is the plot of "The Little Mermaid," "The Man from Atlantis," and Aquaman.

But; IF the "Grays" exist, the odds of that particular very human shape being the product of alien evolution in an alien biosphere seems highly unlikely.
 
2021-06-15 9:59:45 AM  

johnphantom: SurfaceTension: looking at these claims...50 years you're talking about), and nothing new or interesting has come along that passes the smell test.

This is clearly bullshiat


As a kid I used to check out books on UFOs and ghosts and other stuff like that from our school library. Always struck me that something about the stories was off. It wasn't until later that I learned what skepticism was and all that. I've just had a knack for it since I was little.

But if you need to believe I'm full of it, so be it. That's the end of this dialog, though. Have a great day!
 
2021-06-15 10:07:27 AM  

SurfaceTension: johnphantom: SurfaceTension: looking at these claims...50 years you're talking about), and nothing new or interesting has come along that passes the smell test.

This is clearly bullshiat

As a kid I used to check out books on UFOs and ghosts and other stuff like that from our school library. Always struck me that something about the stories was off. It wasn't until later that I learned what skepticism was and all that. I've just had a knack for it since I was little.

But if you need to believe I'm full of it, so be it. That's the end of this dialog, though. Have a great day!


Ok good I get the last say. "50 years you're talking about), and nothing new or interesting has come along" < you have done ZERO investigation then, in the face of what the government is saying now and the videos from the government.

You are full of shiat.
 
2021-06-15 10:11:35 AM  

AdrienVeidt: ITT: A whole lot of dudes that think their incredulity at how big the universe is equals a guarantee of intelligent alien life.  Farking LOL.

Truth be told the universe is so young and the *very* large number of circumstances required to bring we humans to sentience adds up to us very possibly being the first intelligences in this whole fiasco.  Hell, the importance of the creation of Panama to our intelligence is something few understand but take for granted simply because there's a whole fark-ton of stars in the sky.


Name one real scientist that says alien life is not possible to back your bullshiat claim up.
 
2021-06-15 10:25:52 AM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: I saw something that I could not explain in broad daylight near Elgin AFB. No fins, no wings, no engines. Super shiny, almost invisible looked like a long cylinder. I had a really great look at it for 30 seconds or more in flight.

Of this world or some other...it was there, in flight here in daylight. How it achieved flight was the question I had on my mind while watching it. What was it came later.


We've all seen things in the sky we couldn't identify, which is technically a UFO.

I'd like to point out that you were near an AFB.  They fly things with tail fins you might not recognize. Things high enough don't make noise, sunlight is brighter up there, and wings pointed directly at you disappear.

Questions:

How close was it? How fast was it? How did it move?
Did it just slide along like an airplane? or did it defy the laws of physics?
 
2021-06-15 11:44:59 AM  

AdrienVeidt: ITT: A whole lot of dudes that think their incredulity at how big the universe is equals a guarantee of intelligent alien life.  Farking LOL.

Truth be told the universe is so young and the *very* large number of circumstances required to bring we humans to sentience adds up to us very possibly being the first intelligences in this whole fiasco.  Hell, the importance of the creation of Panama to our intelligence is something few understand but take for granted simply because there's a whole fark-ton of stars in the sky.


There are approximately 200 billion stars in our galaxy. Each one of those is a sun, which can have multiple planets around it. There are 125 billion galaxies in our universe.
That's 2.5x1022, or 25,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 solar systems in the universe.

By comparison, there are an estimated 7.5x1018 grains of sand on earth, with all beaches and deserts combined. That means that there are more than 3,000 times as many solar systems in the universe as grains of sand on earth.

We have a sample size of literally ONE at this point, and we KNOW first hand that "life" itself is possible.

Saying we are the oldest/most advanced beings in the universe is to walk up to any random beach, pick up a single grain of sand and claiming that IT ALONE is special, and obviously the most advanced one out there.

It's pretty much the ultimate survivor bias in play here. The only reason you nominated "earth" to fill that position is because it literally happened to be the closest grain of sand at hand from where you were standing. Just because the odds are likely REALLY, REALLY small for intelligent life to develop in the first place means nothing when you're dealing with such astronomical numbers.

Does intelligent extraterrestrial life exist? It's almost a mathematical certainty.
Are they visiting earth without making official contact just so they can scare some backwater hillbillies?  Extremely unlikely, thanks in no part to the literally astronomical distances between solarsystems.
 
2021-06-15 11:59:26 AM  

Excelsior: AdrienVeidt: ITT: A whole lot of dudes that think their incredulity at how big the universe is equals a guarantee of intelligent alien life.  Farking LOL.

Truth be told the universe is so young and the *very* large number of circumstances required to bring we humans to sentience adds up to us very possibly being the first intelligences in this whole fiasco.  Hell, the importance of the creation of Panama to our intelligence is something few understand but take for granted simply because there's a whole fark-ton of stars in the sky.

There are approximately 200 billion stars in our galaxy. Each one of those is a sun, which can have multiple planets around it. There are 125 billion galaxies in our universe.
That's 2.5x1022, or 25,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 solar systems in the universe.

By comparison, there are an estimated 7.5x1018 grains of sand on earth, with all beaches and deserts combined. That means that there are more than 3,000 times as many solar systems in the universe as grains of sand on earth.

We have a sample size of literally ONE at this point, and we KNOW first hand that "life" itself is possible.

Saying we are the oldest/most advanced beings in the universe is to walk up to any random beach, pick up a single grain of sand and claiming that IT ALONE is special, and obviously the most advanced one out there.

It's pretty much the ultimate survivor bias in play here. The only reason you nominated "earth" to fill that position is because it literally happened to be the closest grain of sand at hand from where you were standing. Just because the odds are likely REALLY, REALLY small for intelligent life to develop in the first place means nothing when you're dealing with such astronomical numbers.

Does intelligent extraterrestrial life exist? It's almost a mathematical certainty.
Are they visiting earth without making official contact just so they can scare some backwater hillbillies?  Extremely unlikely, thanks in no part to the literally astronomic ...


Can I copy this and use it? Credit to "Excelsior"?
 
2021-06-15 12:01:27 PM  
Except I will disagree it is extremely unlikely that they will come, I will leave that in but say I disagree with it.
 
2021-06-15 12:07:02 PM  

Excelsior: There are approximately 200 billion stars in our galaxy. Each one of those is a sun, which can have multiple planets around it. There are 125 billion galaxies in our universe.
That's 2.5x1022, or 25,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 solar systems in the universe.


Your math is a tiny bit off there. Not every star system can support habitable planets.

Many/most are binary, that eats a lot of planets.

Many many more near galactic centers, where we expect that stars passing by would be bad of planet forming, and radiation of near starts bad for life.

But still, LOTS!!!
 
2021-06-15 12:09:56 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: Excelsior: There are approximately 200 billion stars in our galaxy. Each one of those is a sun, which can have multiple planets around it. There are 125 billion galaxies in our universe.
That's 2.5x1022, or 25,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 solar systems in the universe.

Your math is a tiny bit off there. Not every star system can support habitable planets.

Many/most are binary, that eats a lot of planets.

Many many more near galactic centers, where we expect that stars passing by would be bad of planet forming, and radiation of near starts bad for life.

But still, LOTS!!!


Well if we are the only life in the universe, then God definitely exists. That is the only way possible.
 
2021-06-15 12:13:41 PM  

johnphantom: Well if we are the only life in the universe, then God definitely exists. That is the only way possible.


Okay sure.  I guess those things make equal sense.   0 == 0

/ and where does the tortoise come in?
 
2021-06-15 12:16:08 PM  

Excelsior: AdrienVeidt: ITT: A whole lot of dudes that think their incredulity at how big the universe is equals a guarantee of intelligent alien life.  Farking LOL.

Truth be told the universe is so young and the *very* large number of circumstances required to bring we humans to sentience adds up to us very possibly being the first intelligences in this whole fiasco.  Hell, the importance of the creation of Panama to our intelligence is something few understand but take for granted simply because there's a whole fark-ton of stars in the sky.

There are approximately 200 billion stars in our galaxy. Each one of those is a sun, which can have multiple planets around it. There are 125 billion galaxies in our universe.
That's 2.5x1022, or 25,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 solar systems in the universe.

By comparison, there are an estimated 7.5x1018 grains of sand on earth, with all beaches and deserts combined. That means that there are more than 3,000 times as many solar systems in the universe as grains of sand on earth.

We have a sample size of literally ONE at this point, and we KNOW first hand that "life" itself is possible.

Saying we are the oldest/most advanced beings in the universe is to walk up to any random beach, pick up a single grain of sand and claiming that IT ALONE is special, and obviously the most advanced one out there.

It's pretty much the ultimate survivor bias in play here. The only reason you nominated "earth" to fill that position is because it literally happened to be the closest grain of sand at hand from where you were standing. Just because the odds are likely REALLY, REALLY small for intelligent life to develop in the first place means nothing when you're dealing with such astronomical numbers.

Does intelligent extraterrestrial life exist? It's almost a mathematical certainty.
Are they visiting earth without making official contact just so they can scare some backwater hillbillies?  Extremely unlikely, thanks in no part to the literally astronomic ...


Look at all this horseshiat.  A LOT OF STARS MEAN INTELLIGENT ALIENS.

How many of those stars are second or third generation?  First generation stars and any associated planets wouldn't have any higher elements and thus 'life' would be impossible.

That rules out at least half of the universe's lifetime for this stuff to happen.

How many of those planets fall into their star's Goldilocks zone?

How many of those planets in said G-zone are actually double planet systems with a very large satellite to block an excess of asteroid impacts?

How many of those planets have tectonics to cycle elements necessary for life through the planet so they're mixed up enough to combine into complex chemistry?

How many have liquid water to act as a matrix for said complex chemistry?

How many have Panama to block the El Nino so Africa dries out the same time a species adapted for grasping tree branches has to move into an environment without continuous tree cover?

You keep giving all these numbers that open up the possibilities but don't acknowledge any of the numbers that limit them; because you like your incredulity.

OOGA-BOOGA BIG NUMBERS MEAN ALIENS ARE HERE TO PROBE OUR ASSES, Y'ALL.
 
2021-06-15 12:18:02 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: johnphantom: Well if we are the only life in the universe, then God definitely exists. That is the only way possible.

Okay sure.  I guess those things make equal sense.   0 == 0

/ and where does the tortoise come in?


Yeah I know Rogers and Sagan told you that you were "special" and "unique". Try to get over the indoctrination that Christianity has had on society that you are "The One".

Clearly, if we are the only life in the universe, then we were purposefully created.
 
2021-06-15 12:20:03 PM  

AdrienVeidt: Look at all this horseshiat.  A LOT OF STARS MEAN INTELLIGENT ALIENS.

How many of those stars are second or third generation?  First generation stars and any associated planets wouldn't have any higher elements and thus 'life' would be impossible.

That rules out at least half of the universe's lifetime for this stuff to happen.

How many of those planets fall into their star's Goldilocks zone?

How many of those planets in said G-zone are actually double planet systems with a very large satellite to block an excess of asteroid impacts?

How many of those planets have tectonics to cycle elements necessary for life through the planet so they're mixed up enough to combine into complex chemistry?

How many have liquid water to act as a matrix for said complex chemistry?

How many have Panama to block the El Nino so Africa dries out the same time a species adapted for grasping tree branches has to move into an environment without continuous tree cover?

You keep giving all these numbers that open up the possibilities but don't acknowledge any of the numbers that limit them; because you like your incredulity.

OOGA-BOOGA BIG NUMBERS MEAN ALIENS ARE HERE TO PROBE OUR ASSES, Y'ALL.


So you are a God botherer then?
 
2021-06-15 12:26:07 PM  

johnphantom: brainlordmesomorph: johnphantom: Well if we are the only life in the universe, then God definitely exists. That is the only way possible.

Okay sure.  I guess those things make equal sense.   0 == 0

/ and where does the tortoise come in?

Yeah I know Rogers and Sagan told you that you were "special" and "unique". Try to get over the indoctrination that Christianity has had on society that you are "The One". WHAT????

Clearly, if we are the only life in the universe, then we were purposefully created.


(And you think I've been indoctrinated?)

Yes IF.  And IF my mother had wheels....

Human brains cannot fathom the size of the galaxy. We use numbers, look at pictures but we don't comprehend.

And that's one galaxy, the size of the universe (which is larger than the observable universe) is billions of times beyond human comprehension.

And you think "God" "made" all of that, just for us??
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2021-06-15 12:37:39 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: johnphantom: brainlordmesomorph: johnphantom: Well if we are the only life in the universe, then God definitely exists. That is the only way possible.

Okay sure.  I guess those things make equal sense.   0 == 0

/ and where does the tortoise come in?

Yeah I know Rogers and Sagan told you that you were "special" and "unique". Try to get over the indoctrination that Christianity has had on society that you are "The One". WHAT????

Clearly, if we are the only life in the universe, then we were purposefully created.

(And you think I've been indoctrinated?)

Yes IF.  And IF my mother had wheels....

Human brains cannot fathom the size of the galaxy. We use numbers, look at pictures but we don't comprehend.

And that's one galaxy, the size of the universe (which is larger than the observable universe) is billions of times beyond human comprehension.

And you think "God" "made" all of that, just for us??
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No, I am saying if you don't think there is multitudes of intelligent life out there, then you have to believe in God.
 
2021-06-15 12:42:33 PM  

johnphantom: No, I am saying if you don't think there is multitudes of intelligent life out there, then you have to believe in God.

You're saying that if you're wrong about one thing you must be wrong about the other?I'm sure there are people wrong about both things, but there also must be some people only wrong about one of them.
 
2021-06-15 12:45:07 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: johnphantom: No, I am saying if you don't think there is multitudes of intelligent life out there, then you have to believe in God.
You're saying that if you're wrong about one thing you must be wrong about the other?I'm sure there are people wrong about both things, but there also must be some people only wrong about one of them.


Argue with this logic: If we are the only life in the universe, then due to how nature works (look around you) where would we have come from? The only answer is: We were purposefully made.
 
2021-06-15 12:47:49 PM  

johnphantom: brainlordmesomorph: johnphantom: No, I am saying if you don't think there is multitudes of intelligent life out there, then you have to believe in God.
You're saying that if you're wrong about one thing you must be wrong about the other?I'm sure there are people wrong about both things, but there also must be some people only wrong about one of them.

Argue with this logic: If we are the only life in the universe, then due to how nature works (look around you) where would we have come from? The only answer is: We were purposefully made.


Sure; If one preposterous thing is true, then some other preposterous thing have caused it.
 
2021-06-15 12:51:16 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: johnphantom: brainlordmesomorph: johnphantom: No, I am saying if you don't think there is multitudes of intelligent life out there, then you have to believe in God.
You're saying that if you're wrong about one thing you must be wrong about the other?I'm sure there are people wrong about both things, but there also must be some people only wrong about one of them.

Argue with this logic: If we are the only life in the universe, then due to how nature works (look around you) where would we have come from? The only answer is: We were purposefully made.

Sure; If one preposterous thing is true, then some other preposterous thing have caused it.


I said to argue with the logic. Obviously you can't.
 
2021-06-15 12:53:35 PM  
I love this I've got an atheist alien denier going in circles.
 
2021-06-15 1:04:23 PM  

johnphantom: brainlordmesomorph: johnphantom: brainlordmesomorph: johnphantom: No, I am saying if you don't think there is multitudes of intelligent life out there, then you have to believe in God.
You're saying that if you're wrong about one thing you must be wrong about the other?I'm sure there are people wrong about both things, but there also must be some people only wrong about one of them.

Argue with this logic: If we are the only life in the universe, then due to how nature works (look around you) where would we have come from? The only answer is: We were purposefully made.

Sure; If one preposterous thing is true, then some other preposterous thing have caused it.

I said to argue with the logic. Obviously you can't.


OK, I will:

While ridiculously and ludicrously improbable, it is certainly possible that life evolved naturally through evolution and natural selection (how nature works) here on Earth and no where else at all without a "god" having anything to do with it.
Why would god be required for that?*  We know how nature works here on Earth, we assume it will work that way throughout the universe. But it is possible that we are wrong, and we are totally alone. You still don't need god for any of that.*That's a rhetorical question. I don't want an answer.
 
2021-06-15 3:12:10 PM  

johnphantom: brainlordmesomorph: Excelsior: There are approximately 200 billion stars in our galaxy. Each one of those is a sun, which can have multiple planets around it. There are 125 billion galaxies in our universe.
That's 2.5x1022, or 25,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 solar systems in the universe.

Your math is a tiny bit off there. Not every star system can support habitable planets.

Many/most are binary, that eats a lot of planets.

Many many more near galactic centers, where we expect that stars passing by would be bad of planet forming, and radiation of near starts bad for life.

But still, LOTS!!!

Well if we are the only life in the universe, then God definitely exists. That is the only way possible.


Thanks to the massive distances involved, there would be no way to know for certain 

johnphantom: brainlordmesomorph: johnphantom: No, I am saying if you don't think there is multitudes of intelligent life out there, then you have to believe in God.
You're saying that if you're wrong about one thing you must be wrong about the other?I'm sure there are people wrong about both things, but there also must be some people only wrong about one of them.

Argue with this logic: If we are the only life in the universe, then due to how nature works (look around you) where would we have come from? The only answer is: We were purposefully made.


Although the chances are Infinitesimally small, someone still has to be first, and there has to be no purpose for it.

But the thing is, we'll never know. There could be a billion other planets with life in our own galactic backyard, and we may never know it. much of it may not be self-aware, or sapient, or technologically advanced enough to detect. Hell, a two centuries ago we wouldn't have been able to detect if if there was another earth-level civilization thriving on Mars, and when you're dealing with spans of time covering literally billions of years, centuries are absolutely nothing.

"purposefully made" would also infer that a magical omnipotent/omniscient/omnipresent being popped up out of nowhere, which seems far less likely than a bunch of primordial hydrogen coalescing into clumps big enough to ignite and form the first stars and set the entire train in motion.

If you believe that a being with god-like powers could have spontaneously sprung into existence (or always HAS existed), then why couldn't the same thing apply to a bunch of boring old hydrogen?  Adding a god into the mix doesn't solve any problem, it just makes it much bigger because now you require TWO events of spontaneous creation, one of which creates a being with super powers out of nowhere.
That does not explain anything, it just makes it even less likely.
 
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