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2021-06-14 1:58:16 PM  
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2021-06-14 2:25:23 PM  
Yeah, no. I'd be impressed if support for Windows 10 ends by 2030.
 
2021-06-14 2:32:41 PM  
More than four years away? Not relevant to me in the slightest.
 
2021-06-14 2:36:14 PM  

BafflerMeal: More than four years away? Not relevant to me in the slightest.


Maybe put out the cigarette and drop the doughnut, and you might be around in 2025.
 
2021-06-14 2:37:12 PM  
And 11 costs HOW much?
 
2021-06-14 3:04:40 PM  

Kris_Romm: And 11 costs HOW much?


Don't worry, they'll rent it to you for  just $9.99/mo for perpetuity.


/You know they want to
 
2021-06-14 3:05:06 PM  

LoneCoon: Yeah, no. I'd be impressed if support for Windows 10 ends by 2030.


Support for Windows 8.1 extends to 2023, I can't see support for 10 going away 2 years later.
 
2021-06-14 3:06:37 PM  
I'll just keep using linux. Citrix runs just fine on it.
 
2021-06-14 3:10:08 PM  
end-of-life being just 4 years away will present a problem for many corporations, where the desktop/laptop replacement cycle is longer than 4 years.

Historically Windows has had a "5 years full support, plus 5 years extended support during which you will only receive security/stability fixes but no new features". At this point, it sounds like any computer you buy TODAY will only be supported for another 4 years from now.

/Your grandma is pretty much guaranteed to be part of a crypto mining botnet the second her PC no longer receives updates
//I doubt that the update from Win10 to Win11 will be free, Microsoft sure likes its revenue streams
 
2021-06-14 3:20:34 PM  
It's just the end of it's lifecycle, they'll keep supporting it for years after. They're just releasing a new version of Windows, probably with the same mindset as 10, of bi-yearly or yearly updates. They apparently made the decision that they needed to fund their new GUI conversion instead of forcing it on 10 users.

As the employee of an MSP who has the role of migrating companies to newer OS's and is still moving corps off of 7 to 10, it's job security, but it is still a bad look for Microsoft. We'll see how they justify it here in 10 days.
 
2021-06-14 3:42:29 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: LoneCoon: Yeah, no. I'd be impressed if support for Windows 10 ends by 2030.

Support for Windows 8.1 extends to 2023, I can't see support for 10 going away 2 years later.


https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/life​c​ycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

Retirement October 14 2025. Each 'release' is supported for about 18 months, so yes, that would be about right.

Again, this is about Home and Pro, not Enterprise or their Long Term Support Release that are on different support timelines.
 
2021-06-14 3:44:03 PM  

Excelsior: end-of-life being just 4 years away will present a problem for many corporations, where the desktop/laptop replacement cycle is longer than 4 years.

Historically Windows has had a "5 years full support, plus 5 years extended support during which you will only receive security/stability fixes but no new features". At this point, it sounds like any computer you buy TODAY will only be supported for another 4 years from now.

/Your grandma is pretty much guaranteed to be part of a crypto mining botnet the second her PC no longer receives updates
//I doubt that the update from Win10 to Win11 will be free, Microsoft sure likes its revenue streams


1) Corporate / commercial EOL is always different than consumer EOL
2) I don't believe I've seen a 4+ year hardware refresh cycle in over a decade and that was specifically due to the great recession. Most places I've implemented HAM at use 3 year refresh cycles, some use 4. Most replace or issue new laptops to users every 2-3.

These are typically large corporations though and now VDI is playing its role too, so you're mileage may vary
 
2021-06-14 3:51:10 PM  
MacOS and iOS are based on BSD Unix. Android/FireOS/LineageOS/ChromeOS/Tize​n/HarmonyOS are all an abstraction layer that sits on top of Linux.

It's fair to say that *nix is just fine for consumer devices if not exactly desktops.

That being said, support EOL from Microsoft really doesn't mean much. Developers still target games at Windows 7 and it's been dead for years at this point.
 
2021-06-14 3:56:00 PM  

redmid17: Excelsior: end-of-life being just 4 years away will present a problem for many corporations, where the desktop/laptop replacement cycle is longer than 4 years.

Historically Windows has had a "5 years full support, plus 5 years extended support during which you will only receive security/stability fixes but no new features". At this point, it sounds like any computer you buy TODAY will only be supported for another 4 years from now.

/Your grandma is pretty much guaranteed to be part of a crypto mining botnet the second her PC no longer receives updates
//I doubt that the update from Win10 to Win11 will be free, Microsoft sure likes its revenue streams

1) Corporate / commercial EOL is always different than consumer EOL
2) I don't believe I've seen a 4+ year hardware refresh cycle in over a decade and that was specifically due to the great recession. Most places I've implemented HAM at use 3 year refresh cycles, some use 4. Most replace or issue new laptops to users every 2-3.

These are typically large corporations though and now VDI is playing its role too, so you're mileage may vary


I can definitely see some companies buying the extended warranty after this last year of having problems getting new PCs. OEMs are trying to keep up with demand and are sending out machines that haven't been QC'd -- we're getting lots of hardware failures as DOA or shortly thereafter.  4 year has been the sweet spot for companies prior to now, but Covid is going to change things.
 
2021-06-14 4:03:34 PM  

SMB2811: Mr. Eugenides: LoneCoon: Yeah, no. I'd be impressed if support for Windows 10 ends by 2030.

Support for Windows 8.1 extends to 2023, I can't see support for 10 going away 2 years later.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifec​ycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

Retirement October 14 2025. Each 'release' is supported for about 18 months, so yes, that would be about right.

Again, this is about Home and Pro, not Enterprise or their Long Term Support Release that are on different support timelines.


https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/life​c​ycle/products/windows-10-enterprise-an​d-education
 
2021-06-14 4:05:41 PM  
The joke here is that October 14, 2021 is the alleged release date of Windows 11.

/Or whatever Microsoft ends up calling this year's Apple lawsuit bait
//The smart money is on Windows 11 right now
///It's fun to see a different code name every time a new article comes out
 
2021-06-14 4:15:00 PM  

sforce: SMB2811: Mr. Eugenides: LoneCoon: Yeah, no. I'd be impressed if support for Windows 10 ends by 2030.

Support for Windows 8.1 extends to 2023, I can't see support for 10 going away 2 years later.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifec​ycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

Retirement October 14 2025. Each 'release' is supported for about 18 months, so yes, that would be about right.

Again, this is about Home and Pro, not Enterprise or their Long Term Support Release that are on different support timelines.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifec​ycle/products/windows-10-enterprise-an​d-education


Ok, so I really should have assumed that Microsoft would make this as clear as they always do - there are apparently two ways to get Enterprise

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/life​c​ycle/products/windows-10-2019-ltsc

So Enterprise is supported like Pro, but Enterprise Enterprise isn't.
 
2021-06-14 4:47:43 PM  
According to the actuarial tables there is a 27% chance I'll be dead by then.  Don't know which outcome I'm hoping for.

/ actually, tables be damned
// I'm a healthy old fart who excersizes and eats well
/// I'll prolly live to 90 (but run out of money at 80)
 
2021-06-14 4:57:02 PM  

SMB2811: sforce: SMB2811: Mr. Eugenides: LoneCoon: Yeah, no. I'd be impressed if support for Windows 10 ends by 2030.

Support for Windows 8.1 extends to 2023, I can't see support for 10 going away 2 years later.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifec​ycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

Retirement October 14 2025. Each 'release' is supported for about 18 months, so yes, that would be about right.

Again, this is about Home and Pro, not Enterprise or their Long Term Support Release that are on different support timelines.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifec​ycle/products/windows-10-enterprise-an​d-education

Ok, so I really should have assumed that Microsoft would make this as clear as they always do - there are apparently two ways to get Enterprise

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifec​ycle/products/windows-10-2019-ltsc

So Enterprise is supported like Pro, but Enterprise Enterprise isn't.


I understood what you meant, but what fun would that be.
 
2021-06-14 5:13:24 PM  
I'm assuming they just drop the number and it's called Windows forever more. In 50 years time, "Windows 10" won't make sense.

I also expect that it will be a free upgrade from Windows 10 without subscription. The platform design hinges on one development platform to rule them all, and not upgrading everyone like they did with Windows 7/8 will make the transition take a decade or more, with developers having to build for both Windows 10 and "Windows"[AAS]

They'll still charge for OEM and new builds, so collect revenue there, it's just the customers (read advertisement clickers) won't have to manually fork out cash.
 
2021-06-14 6:28:53 PM  
*clings to Windows 7 with both hands*

"My precious!"
 
2021-06-14 6:29:27 PM  

likefunbutnot: MacOS and iOS are based on BSD Unix. Android/FireOS/LineageOS/ChromeOS/Tize​n/HarmonyOS are all an abstraction layer that sits on top of Linux.

It's fair to say that *nix is just fine for consumer devices if not exactly desktops.

That being said, support EOL from Microsoft really doesn't mean much. Developers still target games at Windows 7 and it's been dead for years at this point.


To the user, the abstraction layer effectively is the OS. Nobody cares about the kernel.
 
2021-06-14 6:58:14 PM  

krispos42: *clings to Windows 7 with both hands*

"My precious!"


Running windows 7 is an absolute liability right now, given that there are a crapton of known security holes with active exploits available for it, and no patches to close them.

/Bad idea, unless you never connect to the internet at all.
 
2021-06-14 8:59:15 PM  

Excelsior: krispos42: *clings to Windows 7 with both hands*

"My precious!"

Running windows 7 is an absolute liability right now, given that there are a crapton of known security holes with active exploits available for it, and no patches to close them.

/Bad idea, unless you never connect to the internet at all.


Meh if he runs it in VM on a segmented VLAN or something similar, he's fine. easy enough to save snapshots
 
2021-06-14 10:29:47 PM  

redmid17: Excelsior: krispos42: *clings to Windows 7 with both hands*

"My precious!"

Running windows 7 is an absolute liability right now, given that there are a crapton of known security holes with active exploits available for it, and no patches to close them.

/Bad idea, unless you never connect to the internet at all.

Meh if he runs it in VM on a segmented VLAN or something similar, he's fine. easy enough to save snapshots


That's exactly what we did to operate an old Teammate install that would not run on Win10. We need it for legal retention and reference and the option was to upgrade to a compatible platform for tens of thousands more. NOTHING can get out of that VM. When you RDC in all you can do is turn on Teammate. Even Edge is removed. Nothing else is there. No command line. Nothing.
 
2021-06-14 10:34:54 PM  

madgonad: redmid17: Excelsior: krispos42: *clings to Windows 7 with both hands*

"My precious!"

Running windows 7 is an absolute liability right now, given that there are a crapton of known security holes with active exploits available for it, and no patches to close them.

/Bad idea, unless you never connect to the internet at all.

Meh if he runs it in VM on a segmented VLAN or something similar, he's fine. easy enough to save snapshots

That's exactly what we did to operate an old Teammate install that would not run on Win10. We need it for legal retention and reference and the option was to upgrade to a compatible platform for tens of thousands more. NOTHING can get out of that VM. When you RDC in all you can do is turn on Teammate. Even Edge is removed. Nothing else is there. No command line. Nothing.


Just like a Marlins or Heat game...
 
2021-06-14 11:09:47 PM  
It's getting ever-closer.  My house is now a Linux house save for my kids' gaming computer.  Maybe that's not so surprising once you know I'm an IT geek - a Windows IT geek, but an IT geek nonetheless.  And I have to say, as someone who runs their own mail server... MailInABox was set up in a tiny fraction of the time with an even smaller fraction of the effort.  I'd happily recommend it for a small business that doesn't feel like paying Microsoft, I'm certainly glad I ditched my Exchange server and I'm not depended on O365.  The calendar stuff ain't great, but I don't care.

But my parents (octogenarians) now also have a Linux household, and that's without any help from me.  You download a distribution, you install it, and it just works.  It's not even all that different any longer.  For a simple install you don't even need to use one of those horrible text editors like VI or figure out the logic of Linux file paths and folder structure... because it just works.

If you're browsing the web, reading email, and watching video, Linux is already there so long as you aren't cowed by MS marketing into thinking otherwise. Want NetFlix?  Use Chrome on Linux as your browser and you're done.   And there's not exactly a huge learning curve for switching to LibreOffice and dumping MSOffice.  It does all the same stuff, it's just a bit different... but MS changes their interface every few years anyway.  Take all that money you save not paying Microsoft and put a fraction of it into employee training for a net savings.

If you're gaming or using business apps written for Windows, then it isn't there yet.  But the gaming will presumably continue to improve, and most small to mid-size business apps are moving towards web-based solutions as they have been for years.  It won't take the holdouts long to realize they don't need MSSQL and MSIIS when they can use FOSS alternatives and pocket the savings.
 
2021-06-15 2:05:51 AM  

Unsung_Hero: It's getting ever-closer.


Uh-huh. Just as it has been for the last 20 years. Any... day... now....

Unless desktop computer OS get succesfully dumbed down to the same level as smart phones (unlikely, since doing actual work in such an environment farking sucks), possibly with the introduction of some radical new approach (similar to what Android did in phones), it's not happening. Especially when makers of professional software (Adobe? CAD?) are in no rush to support Linux.

No amount of screeching about how "iT aLrEaDy RuNs AlL tHe InTeRnEt StUfF" is going to change that.
 
2021-06-15 6:05:40 AM  

bisi: Unsung_Hero: It's getting ever-closer.

Uh-huh. Just as it has been for the last 20 years. Any... day... now....

Unless desktop computer OS get succesfully dumbed down to the same level as smart phones (unlikely, since doing actual work in such an environment farking sucks), possibly with the introduction of some radical new approach (similar to what Android did in phones), it's not happening. Especially when makers of professional software (Adobe? CAD?) are in no rush to support Linux.

No amount of screeching about how "iT aLrEaDy RuNs AlL tHe InTeRnEt StUfF" is going to change that.


Professional software is a niche market. Oh no, can't use AutoCAD! Can't use Adobe! Using Adobe to 99% of users is opening up a PDF.

I don't see how that becomes a barrier to widespread adoption of Linux.

The barrier will be that the machines don't come pre-loaded with Linux and so having to a) try to choose one brand over another and b) having to download it and install it. If it was a browser plug-in that crippled them with malware it could work but to actually install a new OS? I doubt consumers as a whole would do it.
 
2021-06-15 6:18:54 AM  

NoGodsButtMan: Professional software is a niche market.


Not sure if serious.
If anything, home PCs have become a niche market. Who even has an actual stationary PC at home, except gamers, computer nerds (those usually run Linux already) or photo/video hobbyists (hello Adobe!)?

People will use at home what they know from school/work. Which is 99.9% Windows, because that's what they have at the office. Maybe MacOS, because Apple.

And let's face it: it's been working fine for most of us. Why bother getting into the whole Linux mess?
 
2021-06-15 10:13:11 AM  

krispos42: *clings to Windows 7 with both hands*

"My precious!"


Running Win 7 on 4 systems.. so nice to not have to deal with untested updates, or updates at all.. have a .bat file that removed the telemetry that MS updated into 7, and everything just works.. no glitches, no bugs.. haven't used IE for years, as FF does an excellent job..   .net access is off unless using the system, so hacking 'ain't happening'...  I will try Win11 when it comes out, unless it requires a MS account : not going there.
 
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