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(NYPost)   Not news: FBI raids business due to drug sales. News: seizes $86 million in cash and jewels. WTFark: majority of that were legitimate customers assets who were doing legitimate biz with the business, a lockbox facility   (nypost.com) divider line
    More: Asinine, Safe deposit box, safe deposit box business, Fourth Amendment, criminal activity, warrant US Magistrate Steve Kim, contents of the boxes, Joseph Ruiz, safe deposit boxes  
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2021-06-13 6:10:23 AM  
My god, you would think at this point in time people would be smart enough to understand that a bank deposit box has far more protecting it that a private company. Enough with the stupid excuse of "i dont trust the bankz" with large amounts of cash.


They have a hell of a lot more between your money and the world than a private lockbox company
 
2021-06-13 6:12:19 AM  
Asset forfeiture laws are bullshiat. No proof needed, no judgment required.
 
2021-06-13 6:16:54 AM  

mehhhhhh: Asset forfeiture laws are bullshiat. No proof needed, no judgment required.


This isn't even asset forfeiture. A judge said the FBI couldn't keep the contents, and didn't have a warrant for the contents of the lockboxes.

The FBI is trying to argue that the customers were engaged in criminal activity because the proprietor was. They don't even know who all the customers are.
 
2021-06-13 6:24:23 AM  

Discordulator: mehhhhhh: Asset forfeiture laws are bullshiat. No proof needed, no judgment required.

This isn't even asset forfeiture. A judge said the FBI couldn't keep the contents, and didn't have a warrant for the contents of the lockboxes.

The FBI is trying to argue that the customers were engaged in criminal activity because the proprietor was. They don't even know who all the customers are.


Oh shiat oh fark. My favorite local spot for pancakes got busted for selling cocaine. Am I a drug dealer now?
 
2021-06-13 6:30:33 AM  

Bowen: Oh shiat oh fark. My favorite local spot for pancakes got busted for selling cocaine. Am I a drug dealer now?


Just make sure you didn't drop any "icing sugar" off the pancakes on your clothes or in your car.
 
2021-06-13 6:30:52 AM  

Bowen: Discordulator: mehhhhhh: Asset forfeiture laws are bullshiat. No proof needed, no judgment required.

This isn't even asset forfeiture. A judge said the FBI couldn't keep the contents, and didn't have a warrant for the contents of the lockboxes.

The FBI is trying to argue that the customers were engaged in criminal activity because the proprietor was. They don't even know who all the customers are.

Oh shiat oh fark. My favorite local spot for pancakes got busted for selling cocaine. Am I a drug dealer now?


So their pancakes really were addictive.

It was the "powdered sugar."
 
2021-06-13 6:34:49 AM  

mehhhhhh: Asset forfeiture laws are bullshiat. No proof needed, no judgment required.


Sure, the FBI will be more than happy to help. They'll just require owners of property they're holding to turn up with ID (which they'll check carefully, no fake ID's accepted) and then I'm sure the owners of the property once identified will have no reason to believe they're under investigation for any number of other matters....
 
2021-06-13 6:36:53 AM  
You know how many AFVs the cops can buy with that? Or MRAPs? They just struck the mother lode! By the time they get those jewels "sorted out" they're going to have punisher logos on everything in their inventory.
 
2021-06-13 6:49:41 AM  
In other news, rando deposit box storefronts are a thing
 
2021-06-13 6:51:01 AM  
: |

/my shocked face
 
2021-06-13 7:17:43 AM  
Isn't it cute when the FBI tries to start up its own economy like the CIA?
 
2021-06-13 7:24:38 AM  
Who has jewels?
 
2021-06-13 7:27:49 AM  

casual disregard: Who has jewels?


anyone with a generator?
 
2021-06-13 7:32:53 AM  
this is why we can't have nice things that fit in a lock box
 
2021-06-13 7:35:39 AM  

olrasputin: Bowen: Discordulator: mehhhhhh: Asset forfeiture laws are bullshiat. No proof needed, no judgment required.

This isn't even asset forfeiture. A judge said the FBI couldn't keep the contents, and didn't have a warrant for the contents of the lockboxes.

The FBI is trying to argue that the customers were engaged in criminal activity because the proprietor was. They don't even know who all the customers are.

Oh shiat oh fark. My favorite local spot for pancakes got busted for selling cocaine. Am I a drug dealer now?

So their pancakes really were addictive.

It was the "powdered sugar."


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2021-06-13 7:37:01 AM  
Hard to get too het-up about the govt seizing stuff from a place that may as well have had a sign saying "DO CRIMES HERE" on the front.

Substantiate your ownership of the stuff you had there or get bent. There's a reason ~80-90% of the people who had stuff stored there haven't asked about it yet. You think they forgot or don't care about their valuables?
 
2021-06-13 7:49:42 AM  

Discordulator: mehhhhhh: Asset forfeiture laws are bullshiat. No proof needed, no judgment required.

This isn't even asset forfeiture. A judge said the FBI couldn't keep the contents, and didn't have a warrant for the contents of the lockboxes.

The FBI is trying to argue that the customers were engaged in criminal activity because the proprietor was. They don't even know who all the customers are.


It's even worse than THAT. The search warrant specifically said "do not touch the contents of safety deposit boxes" and they took all of it anyway. Now they wanna argue "but we had to keep it."
 
2021-06-13 7:52:35 AM  
This story again? And with the Post's take? Hell, the Fail did better.

Of course, the FBI would love to get rid of the Fourth Amendment.
 
2021-06-13 7:53:35 AM  

GregInIndy: Hard to get too het-up about the govt seizing stuff from a place that may as well have had a sign saying "DO CRIMES HERE" on the front.

Substantiate your ownership of the stuff you had there or get bent. There's a reason ~80-90% of the people who had stuff stored there haven't asked about it yet. You think they forgot or don't care about their valuables?


This is no different than the FBI cleaning out an entire rent-a-storage garage complex because the kid running the front end got caught dealing reefer.  I sure hope you're OK with that too.
 
2021-06-13 7:54:30 AM  

Another Government Employee: This story again? And with the Post's take? Hell, the Fail did better.

Of course, the FBI would love to get rid of the Fourth Amendment.


The Fourth Amendment is gone, in case you hadn't noticed.  Cops can just steal your stuff now, and keep it for themselves.
 
2021-06-13 7:54:34 AM  

jaytkay: In other news, rando deposit box storefronts are a thing


They've been around a while. I worked for one briefly in the 80s catching up on their books.

/ IIRC that place was busted for money laundering, too.
 
151 [OhFark]
2021-06-13 7:57:46 AM  
The storefront says "insured safe deposit boxes". Insured by... Whom, I wonder? And it's very clearly a hock shop, so... How in the actual fark did the usual customers of this place manage to keep that much cash in a place like that? Even if I was unable to open a bank account, or was doing very illegal things and had large amounts of cash on hand that I didn't legitimately earn, there's zero chance I'm putting more than a "get away fast few thousand bucks" in a place like that.

Reeks of money laundering. fark seizure laws just like everyone said, but... The feds might know something more than the farking NYP
 
2021-06-13 8:03:42 AM  
You mean the same seizure that they SPECIFICALLY violated the 4th amendment repeatedly, and exceeded their warrant signed by the judge? And in one case, opened a box and "lost" some of the gold coins inside because they claimed they were trying to find the owner, even though the owner had taped a COPY OF THEIR DRIVERS LICENSE to the outside of the box?

https://www.fark.com/comments/1145498​9​/Here-is-an-illegally-searched-safe-de​posit-box-Here-is-a-disappearing-gold-​coin-And-over-here-is-a-lawsuit#new

The FBI needs to be slapped hard for this one they botched, don't let them keep any of it. If no owner provides proof of claim, auction it for charity
 
2021-06-13 8:04:26 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: GregInIndy: Hard to get too het-up about the govt seizing stuff from a place that may as well have had a sign saying "DO CRIMES HERE" on the front.

Substantiate your ownership of the stuff you had there or get bent. There's a reason ~80-90% of the people who had stuff stored there haven't asked about it yet. You think they forgot or don't care about their valuables?

This is no different than the FBI cleaning out an entire rent-a-storage garage complex because the kid running the front end got caught dealing reefer.  I sure hope you're OK with that too.


If you look into this case you see this business actively & obviously sold itself as a front.

I definitely want any legal owners of stuff caught up in it to get their valuables back. All they have to do is step forward as people & show they own what was stored there.

That the vast majority of them haven't done so shows, kind of hilariously, that the right thing is being done here.
 
2021-06-13 8:06:14 AM  
Anybody asks you where you got, you got it in Vegas playing craps, all right.
 
2021-06-13 8:10:13 AM  

151: The storefront says "insured safe deposit boxes". Insured by... Whom, I wonder? And it's very clearly a hock shop, so... How in the actual fark did the usual customers of this place manage to keep that much cash in a place like that? Even if I was unable to open a bank account, or was doing very illegal things and had large amounts of cash on hand that I didn't legitimately earn, there's zero chance I'm putting more than a "get away fast few thousand bucks" in a place like that.

Reeks of money laundering. fark seizure laws just like everyone said, but... The feds might know something more than the farking NYP


There is still the small issue of the FBI grossly violating the stated terms of the search warrant, which specifically stated that the lock boxes were *not* to be opened and searched, thereby rendering the FBI opening and searching the lock boxes and seizing the contents an invalid search and seizure, which also means the FBI is *required* to return their illegally-seized contents to the rightful owners, no civil asset forfeiture for them.
 
151 [OhFark]
2021-06-13 8:30:48 AM  

ClavellBCMI: 151: The storefront says "insured safe deposit boxes". Insured by... Whom, I wonder? And it's very clearly a hock shop, so... How in the actual fark did the usual customers of this place manage to keep that much cash in a place like that? Even if I was unable to open a bank account, or was doing very illegal things and had large amounts of cash on hand that I didn't legitimately earn, there's zero chance I'm putting more than a "get away fast few thousand bucks" in a place like that.

Reeks of money laundering. fark seizure laws just like everyone said, but... The feds might know something more than the farking NYP

There is still the small issue of the FBI grossly violating the stated terms of the search warrant, which specifically stated that the lock boxes were *not* to be opened and searched, thereby rendering the FBI opening and searching the lock boxes and seizing the contents an invalid search and seizure, which also means the FBI is *required* to return their illegally-seized contents to the rightful owners, no civil asset forfeiture for them.


You're 100% correct. If they did that, then they farked up big time, and they don't get to seize shiat even if they have absolute proof the money was ill-gotten.

Yet all I see is "the search warrant said". Not a copy of said search warrant, and reporting by garbage journalism outlets. Show me an actual copy of the search warrant and I'm completely on your side.
 
2021-06-13 8:51:48 AM  

151: The storefront says "insured safe deposit boxes". Insured by... Whom, I wonder? And it's very clearly a hock shop, so... How in the actual fark did the usual customers of this place manage to keep that much cash in a place like that? Even if I was unable to open a bank account, or was doing very illegal things and had large amounts of cash on hand that I didn't legitimately earn, there's zero chance I'm putting more than a "get away fast few thousand bucks" in a place like that.

Reeks of money laundering. fark seizure laws just like everyone said, but... The feds might know something more than the farking NYP


So you're saying there are charges coming?
 
2021-06-15 5:39:57 PM  

151: ClavellBCMI: 151: The storefront says "insured safe deposit boxes". Insured by... Whom, I wonder? And it's very clearly a hock shop, so... How in the actual fark did the usual customers of this place manage to keep that much cash in a place like that? Even if I was unable to open a bank account, or was doing very illegal things and had large amounts of cash on hand that I didn't legitimately earn, there's zero chance I'm putting more than a "get away fast few thousand bucks" in a place like that.

Reeks of money laundering. fark seizure laws just like everyone said, but... The feds might know something more than the farking NYP

There is still the small issue of the FBI grossly violating the stated terms of the search warrant, which specifically stated that the lock boxes were *not* to be opened and searched, thereby rendering the FBI opening and searching the lock boxes and seizing the contents an invalid search and seizure, which also means the FBI is *required* to return their illegally-seized contents to the rightful owners, no civil asset forfeiture for them.

You're 100% correct. If they did that, then they farked up big time, and they don't get to seize shiat even if they have absolute proof the money was ill-gotten.

Yet all I see is "the search warrant said". Not a copy of said search warrant, and reporting by garbage journalism outlets. Show me an actual copy of the search warrant and I'm completely on your side.


Are federal search warrants publicly available documents?
 
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