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2021-06-12 6:58:56 PM  
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2021-06-12 8:35:43 PM  
Some stories are better left un told.

We can see how he returned the stones, and how he loved a long and happy life with Peggy in our imagination and it is hella better than any movie or tv show.
 
2021-06-12 8:47:14 PM  

BizarreMan: Some stories are better left un told.

We can see how he returned the stones, and how he loved a long and happy life with Peggy in our imagination and it is hella better than any movie or tv show.


Except the Loki series has Peggy getting hustled into the TVA.

I suspect the One True Timeline is gonna get noodled to Hells and back in the next phase, from Spiderman, and to Doctor Strange and more.
 
2021-06-12 8:54:38 PM  

BizarreMan: how he loved a long and happy life with Peggy in our imagination and it is hella better than any movie or tv show.


"Steve, have you met my sister and her daughter?"
 
2021-06-12 9:17:41 PM  
Mjolnir told me everything I need to know about Steve Rogers.
 
2021-06-12 10:30:15 PM  

BizarreMan: Some stories are better left un told.

We can see how he returned the stones, and how he loved a long and happy life with Peggy in our imagination and it is hella better than any movie or tv show.


You know what you get when you violate that tenet?

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2021-06-12 11:36:23 PM  
If only there were some way a comics company could tell these kinds of stories...
 
2021-06-12 11:38:45 PM  
Just skip to him returning to World War 2 with a resurrected Natasha since they saved the receipt. They go right to fighting in the war again, Natasha gets a dose of serum juice, they met a Canadian guy named Logan, and start noticing "wait, did we slightly alter things?" as they go along on whatever blankety McGuffiny adventure.
 
2021-06-12 11:52:24 PM  
I thought they did just fine. The end scene with Peggy Carter was quite perfect.
 
2021-06-13 12:01:17 AM  

hubiestubert: BizarreMan: Some stories are better left un told.

We can see how he returned the stones, and how he loved a long and happy life with Peggy in our imagination and it is hella better than any movie or tv show.

Except the Loki series has Peggy getting hustled into the TVA.

I suspect the One True Timeline is gonna get noodled to Hells and back in the next phase, from Spiderman, and to Doctor Strange and more.


Sounds like a great opportunity to replace all the favorite heroes with different actors.
 
2021-06-13 1:07:38 AM  
Too late. Give it up.

Chris Evans isn't going to go through all of that body torture to play Steve Rogers again.
 
2021-06-13 1:18:57 AM  

mofa: Mjolnir told me everything I need to know about Steve Rogers.


Listen. Strange men at parties distributing hammers is no basis for a system of morality.
 
2021-06-13 2:42:30 AM  
I think the main problem I'd have with such a story is that we already know the outcome. What's the point of watching him return the stones if we already know the stones get returned? Any tension or suspense in any of the episodes would be completely fake and worthless since we know he doesn't fail. WandaVision worked well for me because I didn't already know from watching the movies what was going to happen in that show.
 
2021-06-13 3:46:28 AM  
How It Should Have Ended already has it covered.
How Captain America Should Have Returned The Stones
Youtube 4vjs_0CoRs4
 
2021-06-13 5:42:58 AM  
A YouTuber by the handle "ItsJustSomeRandomGuy" has produced some remarkably well-written takes on the Marvel and DC Cinematic Universes using nothing but action figures. It's nowhere near as cringe as it sounds. He's done an entire series on Steve Rogers returning the Infinity Stones in his "The Man out of Time" series.

Start with this one, and if it intrigues you, keep going.

The Man Out Of Time: The Soul Stone (Part 1 of 6)
Youtube FWSy394I9DE
 
2021-06-13 8:05:53 AM  

Birnone: I think the main problem I'd have with such a story is that we already know the outcome. What's the point of watching him return the stones if we already know the stones get returned? Any tension or suspense in any of the episodes would be completely fake and worthless since we know he doesn't fail. WandaVision worked well for me because I didn't already know from watching the movies what was going to happen in that show.


That's part of what I hated about the Star Wars prequels.  We already knew that Obi Wan and Annakin made it all the way to the end.

I despise the use of flashbacks/flash forwards in story telling.  Starting a movie or tv show showing the protagonists in some type of jeopardy and then 40 hours earlier really frustrates me.  Don't spoil the drama at the end by telling me exactly what is coming.
 
2021-06-13 8:37:50 AM  

BizarreMan: Birnone: I think the main problem I'd have with such a story is that we already know the outcome. What's the point of watching him return the stones if we already know the stones get returned? Any tension or suspense in any of the episodes would be completely fake and worthless since we know he doesn't fail. WandaVision worked well for me because I didn't already know from watching the movies what was going to happen in that show.

That's part of what I hated about the Star Wars prequels.  We already knew that Obi Wan and Annakin made it all the way to the end.

I despise the use of flashbacks/flash forwards in story telling.  Starting a movie or tv show showing the protagonists in some type of jeopardy and then 40 hours earlier really frustrates me.  Don't spoil the drama at the end by telling me exactly what is coming.


I kind of like the way that the Clone Wars series, and movies showed the relationship with Anakin and Obi Wan. They went through adventures, they had close calls, they trusted and loved one another like brothers. To be fair, the series did that a lot better than the films, but that relationship, that trust only makes Anakin's fall the more tragic.
 
2021-06-13 8:47:06 AM  
Birnone:

What's the point of watching him return the stones if we already know the stones get returned?

I'd like to see him injecting the Reality Stone back into Jane Foster IYKWIMAITYD
 
2021-06-13 8:57:03 AM  

BizarreMan: Birnone: I think the main problem I'd have with such a story is that we already know the outcome. What's the point of watching him return the stones if we already know the stones get returned? Any tension or suspense in any of the episodes would be completely fake and worthless since we know he doesn't fail. WandaVision worked well for me because I didn't already know from watching the movies what was going to happen in that show.

That's part of what I hated about the Star Wars prequels.  We already knew that Obi Wan and Annakin made it all the way to the end.

I despise the use of flashbacks/flash forwards in story telling.  Starting a movie or tv show showing the protagonists in some type of jeopardy and then 40 hours earlier really frustrates me.  Don't spoil the drama at the end by telling me exactly what is coming.


You have good reasons to be frustrated. If we know the characters will live because we already saw them in the future, that dramatic cord is empty. They can't have their lives threatened since we know they can't die.

Prequels have to play on different parts of story telling to be interesting. The framing for Babylon 5's In the Beginning I thought was particularly effective. It was an old man telling a story to children. He'd already acknowledged the major outcome at the start. What the story worked to tell and hung it's dramatic moments on was the *how* and the *why* around the Earth-Minbari War far more than exactly what character lived or died.
 
2021-06-13 9:33:46 AM  

kyleaugustus: mofa: Mjolnir told me everything I need to know about Steve Rogers.

Listen. Strange men at parties distributing hammers is no basis for a system of morality.


Look, if I went around claiming I was an Asgardian, just because some baby oil moistened surfer lobbed a mace at me, they'd put me away.
 
2021-06-13 9:46:20 AM  

BizarreMan: Birnone: I think the main problem I'd have with such a story is that we already know the outcome. What's the point of watching him return the stones if we already know the stones get returned? Any tension or suspense in any of the episodes would be completely fake and worthless since we know he doesn't fail. WandaVision worked well for me because I didn't already know from watching the movies what was going to happen in that show.

That's part of what I hated about the Star Wars prequels.  We already knew that Obi Wan and Annakin made it all the way to the end.

I despise the use of flashbacks/flash forwards in story telling.  Starting a movie or tv show showing the protagonists in some type of jeopardy and then 40 hours earlier really frustrates me.  Don't spoil the drama at the end by telling me exactly what is coming.


I know.  That's why the Hobbit movies sucked total ass. It's 9+ hours of already knowing Bilbo makes it back to the Shire.
 
2021-06-13 9:57:51 AM  

hubiestubert: BizarreMan: Some stories are better left un told.

We can see how he returned the stones, and how he loved a long and happy life with Peggy in our imagination and it is hella better than any movie or tv show.

Except the Loki series has Peggy getting hustled into the TVA.

I suspect the One True Timeline is gonna get noodled to Hells and back in the next phase, from Spiderman, and to Doctor Strange and more.


Maybe Steve went to Peggy first.

When you have the ability to travel into the past, when you leave is irrelevant.  They could take years or decades to research the stones, then take them back to the moment they were taken.  Peggy could have used SHIELD resources to help return the stones in order to not disrupt the timeline.  Remember, Banner said Steve had "as long as it takes" to return the stones.

As for the actual how they're returned, it may not have been as interesting as you think.  The Time Stone would have been a quick "here ya go, thanks!" with the Ancient One.   And I'd guess that just bringing the Soul Stone to Vormir would be enough.  Red Skull never actually had the stone, just showed people where to perform the sacrifice.
 
2021-06-13 10:49:58 AM  

UNC_Samurai: BizarreMan: how he loved a long and happy life with Peggy in our imagination and it is hella better than any movie or tv show.

"Steve, have you met my sister and her daughter?"


GRANDdaughter.

How many times does it need to be explained? Peggy was Sharon's GREAT aunt. She's the granddaughter of Michael, Peggy's brother.

Steve would have been an old man by the time Sharon was born, because she was born in the mid 1980s and Steve would've been married to Peggy for about 40+ years before that. He would be long past remembering one kiss, which is all he and adult future Sharon ever shared.
 
2021-06-13 11:14:47 AM  
Fandom circles really can't resist leaving well enough alone and actually trying a new story, can they...
 
2021-06-13 11:25:56 AM  

hubiestubert: BizarreMan: Some stories are better left un told.

We can see how he returned the stones, and how he loved a long and happy life with Peggy in our imagination and it is hella better than any movie or tv show.

Except the Loki series has Peggy getting hustled into the TVA.

I suspect the One True Timeline is gonna get noodled to Hells and back in the next phase, from Spiderman, and to Doctor Strange and more.


They rescued the ass kicking Peggy from the TV universe, leaving Steve his happy ending. Can't argue with that.
 
2021-06-13 12:04:09 PM  

EdgeRunner: How It Should Have Ended already has it covered.
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This is exactly why they glossed it over, not for any bullshiat about emotional arc. It was way, way easier to handwave it away than film it.
 
2021-06-13 12:06:08 PM  
Thats fine. Actually, they need to stay away from the concept of time travel for the rest of human existence because this idea of a "golden timeline" managed by 3 ubergods destroying every alternate reality does not need to be given more life. Its a stupid and terrible concept and basically negates the entirety of Endgame by telling us that the ONLY timeline which they won in "just happened" to be the only one that the agency allows to exist
 
2021-06-13 12:36:25 PM  

lifeslammer: Thats fine. Actually, they need to stay away from the concept of time travel for the rest of human existence because this idea of a "golden timeline" managed by 3 ubergods destroying every alternate reality does not need to be given more life. Its a stupid and terrible concept and basically negates the entirety of Endgame by telling us that the ONLY timeline which they won in "just happened" to be the only one that the agency allows to exist


This comment is making me think of the Anthropic Principle, but I'm not clever enough to make it make sense with respect to any of the story arcs
 
2021-06-13 12:36:30 PM  

lifeslammer: Thats fine. Actually, they need to stay away from the concept of time travel for the rest of human existence because this idea of a "golden timeline" managed by 3 ubergods destroying every alternate reality does not need to be given more life. Its a stupid and terrible concept and basically negates the entirety of Endgame by telling us that the ONLY timeline which they won in "just happened" to be the only one that the agency allows to exist


I'm pretty certain that there's going to be a helleva lot more to the whole "golden timeline/3 ubergods" issue than what was revealed in one episode of Loki.
 
2021-06-13 12:48:08 PM  

MythDragon: BizarreMan: Birnone: I think the main problem I'd have with such a story is that we already know the outcome. What's the point of watching him return the stones if we already know the stones get returned? Any tension or suspense in any of the episodes would be completely fake and worthless since we know he doesn't fail. WandaVision worked well for me because I didn't already know from watching the movies what was going to happen in that show.

That's part of what I hated about the Star Wars prequels.  We already knew that Obi Wan and Annakin made it all the way to the end.

I despise the use of flashbacks/flash forwards in story telling.  Starting a movie or tv show showing the protagonists in some type of jeopardy and then 40 hours earlier really frustrates me.  Don't spoil the drama at the end by telling me exactly what is coming.

I know.  That's why the Hobbit movies sucked total ass. It's 9+ hours of already knowing Bilbo makes it back to the Shire.


There are many other reasons the Hobbit movies sucked total ass.
 
2021-06-13 12:48:27 PM  
Make a Synder cut
 
2021-06-13 12:51:25 PM  
drjekel_mrhyde:

Make a Synder cut

The first cut was merely snide.  Release the snider cut!
 
2021-06-13 12:59:20 PM  

WilderKWight: He would be long past remembering one kiss, which is all he and adult future Sharon ever shared.


Shannon was the name of the first girl I ever kissed. I couldn't have been more than 10 or 11. That was over 40 years ago. I still remember it.

She died recently.

my point is he knows he kissed Peggy's grand niece or whatever. I'm not saying it's going to haunt him daily for the rest of his life but he will certainly always remember it happened.
 
2021-06-13 1:17:36 PM  

BizarreMan: Some stories are better left un told.

We can see how he returned the stones, and how he loved a long and happy life with Peggy in our imagination and it is hella better than any movie or tv show.


Yeah, I don't need more than this. We know what happens, and it's his personal life. There also isn't much to tell from a superhero perspective. WV is the only thing that I can think about that focuses on the superhero at home, and that show was farked up. 😁 We don't need anything more from Cap, despite what the moron writing TFA thinks.
 
2021-06-13 1:18:06 PM  
Marvel doesn't know how to tell the Avengers story we all want.

I don't want to see it.
 
2021-06-13 1:21:08 PM  

PunkTiger: A YouTuber by the handle "ItsJustSomeRandomGuy" has produced some remarkably well-written takes on the Marvel and DC Cinematic Universes using nothing but action figures. It's nowhere near as cringe as it sounds. He's done an entire series on Steve Rogers returning the Infinity Stones in his "The Man out of Time" series.

Start with this one, and if it intrigues you, keep going.

[YouTube video: The Man Out Of Time: The Soul Stone (Part 1 of 6)]


OK, that was surprisingly cool...
 
2021-06-13 1:49:01 PM  
Home wrecking captain America = goat villain.
 
2021-06-13 2:32:30 PM  

Mikey1969: PunkTiger: A YouTuber by the handle "ItsJustSomeRandomGuy" has produced some remarkably well-written takes on the Marvel and DC Cinematic Universes using nothing but action figures. It's nowhere near as cringe as it sounds. He's done an entire series on Steve Rogers returning the Infinity Stones in his "The Man out of Time" series.

Start with this one, and if it intrigues you, keep going.

[YouTube video: The Man Out Of Time: The Soul Stone (Part 1 of 6)]

OK, that was surprisingly cool...


Agreed. I'll finish it.
 
2021-06-13 3:27:52 PM  

BizarreMan: Birnone: I think the main problem I'd have with such a story is that we already know the outcome. What's the point of watching him return the stones if we already know the stones get returned? Any tension or suspense in any of the episodes would be completely fake and worthless since we know he doesn't fail. WandaVision worked well for me because I didn't already know from watching the movies what was going to happen in that show.

That's part of what I hated about the Star Wars prequels.  We already knew that Obi Wan and Annakin made it all the way to the end.

I despise the use of flashbacks/flash forwards in story telling.  Starting a movie or tv show showing the protagonists in some type of jeopardy and then 40 hours earlier really frustrates me.  Don't spoil the drama at the end by telling me exactly what is coming.


Starting in the middle can be effective if there are other stakes besides whether the characters live. What else could they lose? How and why are they in this situation? Is this situation actually the protagonist's fault?

Good writing can actually make knowing how it ends more compelling because what's more interesting is how they got there and the stories behind the characters before we knew them. Sadly, too many prequels lack the ability to tell such a compelling story.
 
2021-06-13 3:42:05 PM  
BizarreMan:

That's part of what I hated about the Star Wars prequels.  We already knew that Obi Wan and Annakin made it all the way to the end.

This helped take away some of the distaste:

Obi-Wan Remembers The Truth
Youtube hN74bOubUug
 
2021-06-13 5:30:29 PM  

Great_Milenko: hubiestubert: BizarreMan: Some stories are better left un told.

We can see how he returned the stones, and how he loved a long and happy life with Peggy in our imagination and it is hella better than any movie or tv show.

Except the Loki series has Peggy getting hustled into the TVA.

I suspect the One True Timeline is gonna get noodled to Hells and back in the next phase, from Spiderman, and to Doctor Strange and more.

Maybe Steve went to Peggy first.

When you have the ability to travel into the past, when you leave is irrelevant.  They could take years or decades to research the stones, then take them back to the moment they were taken.  Peggy could have used SHIELD resources to help return the stones in order to not disrupt the timeline.  Remember, Banner said Steve had "as long as it takes" to return the stones.

As for the actual how they're returned, it may not have been as interesting as you think.  The Time Stone would have been a quick "here ya go, thanks!" with the Ancient One.   And I'd guess that just bringing the Soul Stone to Vormir would be enough.  Red Skull never actually had the stone, just showed people where to perform the sacrifice.


I always figured he returned the Time Stone first and The Ancient One restored the rest of the stones to their previous states.  And that the Soul Stone would have to be last, since finding the Red Skull there would have blown  Steve's mind.
 
2021-06-13 7:21:20 PM  
My take is that the time stone was the last one returned.  After all, the ancient one would have been around in the 40's, when Roger's took on the Captain America mantle. She may have invited him inside for a nice cup of tea and to discuss a few things.
I wonder if the sorcerer Supreme is aware of the TVA?
And Clint did mention "the red floaty guy".
 
2021-06-13 9:07:44 PM  

MythDragon: BizarreMan: Birnone: I think the main problem I'd have with such a story is that we already know the outcome. What's the point of watching him return the stones if we already know the stones get returned? Any tension or suspense in any of the episodes would be completely fake and worthless since we know he doesn't fail. WandaVision worked well for me because I didn't already know from watching the movies what was going to happen in that show.

That's part of what I hated about the Star Wars prequels.  We already knew that Obi Wan and Annakin made it all the way to the end.

I despise the use of flashbacks/flash forwards in story telling.  Starting a movie or tv show showing the protagonists in some type of jeopardy and then 40 hours earlier really frustrates me.  Don't spoil the drama at the end by telling me exactly what is coming.

I know.  That's why the Hobbit movies sucked total ass. It's 9+ hours of already knowing Bilbo makes it back to the Shire.


Yes because even children don't know that Bilbo's gonna make it back. *rolls eyes*

I remember the jackoffs that couldn't believe the spoiler of Endgame was they brought back Spider-Man. As though there was a single cretin in the audience that honestly believe Spider-man would be allowed to remain dead for any length of time, and that they only interest they could generate in their flaccid joy muscles was the idea he might die and stay dead.

I'm sure they are working overtime on a way to bring back Black Widow from her "totally reals, seriously guys, no backsies, only a real dirty birdie cop out could save her now"
 
2021-06-13 9:10:32 PM  

phaseolus: lifeslammer: Thats fine. Actually, they need to stay away from the concept of time travel for the rest of human existence because this idea of a "golden timeline" managed by 3 ubergods destroying every alternate reality does not need to be given more life. Its a stupid and terrible concept and basically negates the entirety of Endgame by telling us that the ONLY timeline which they won in "just happened" to be the only one that the agency allows to exist

This comment is making me think of the Anthropic Principle, but I'm not clever enough to make it make sense with respect to any of the story arcs


I'm sure Willingham could basically rewrite The End of Jack of Fables
 
2021-06-13 9:29:58 PM  

soporific: BizarreMan: Birnone: I think the main problem I'd have with such a story is that we already know the outcome. What's the point of watching him return the stones if we already know the stones get returned? Any tension or suspense in any of the episodes would be completely fake and worthless since we know he doesn't fail. WandaVision worked well for me because I didn't already know from watching the movies what was going to happen in that show.

That's part of what I hated about the Star Wars prequels.  We already knew that Obi Wan and Annakin made it all the way to the end.

I despise the use of flashbacks/flash forwards in story telling.  Starting a movie or tv show showing the protagonists in some type of jeopardy and then 40 hours earlier really frustrates me.  Don't spoil the drama at the end by telling me exactly what is coming.

Starting in the middle can be effective if there are other stakes besides whether the characters live. What else could they lose? How and why are they in this situation? Is this situation actually the protagonist's fault?

Good writing can actually make knowing how it ends more compelling because what's more interesting is how they got there and the stories behind the characters before we knew them. Sadly, too many prequels lack the ability to tell such a compelling story.


One of the big problems of prequels is that the characters cannot really do anything that surpasses what they do later. This includes character arcs. The best you can hope for is to inform something about the future.

Would anyone really like a Columbo prequel? Because what a waste that would be.
 
2021-06-13 9:32:27 PM  

Weird Hal: BizarreMan:

That's part of what I hated about the Star Wars prequels.  We already knew that Obi Wan and Annakin made it all the way to the end.

This helped take away some of the distaste:

[YouTube video: Obi-Wan Remembers The Truth]


Why didn't that video cut to young Annie saying "yippee" while blowing up the droid control ship when Obi Wan says he was a great pilot when he met him?
 
2021-06-13 9:34:16 PM  

mr intrepid: And Clint did mention "the red floaty guy".


You would think that a former SHIELD operative of all people would have known what the Red FARKING Skull would have looked like.
 
2021-06-13 9:40:22 PM  

Weird Hal: BizarreMan:

That's part of what I hated about the Star Wars prequels.  We already knew that Obi Wan and Annakin made it all the way to the end.

This helped take away some of the distaste:

[YouTube video: Obi-Wan Remembers The Truth]


Darth Vader's Redemption - With Flashbacks
Youtube jw8jUHtQy2s
I do appreciate a lot of the "Vader Remembers" edits people have done
 
2021-06-13 9:40:47 PM  

cretinbob: [Fark user image image 220x165]


It's always a shame when a one and done is not appreciated.

One show would have figured it out.
 
2021-06-13 10:30:54 PM  

soporific: BizarreMan: Birnone: I think the main problem I'd have with such a story is that we already know the outcome. What's the point of watching him return the stones if we already know the stones get returned? Any tension or suspense in any of the episodes would be completely fake and worthless since we know he doesn't fail. WandaVision worked well for me because I didn't already know from watching the movies what was going to happen in that show.

That's part of what I hated about the Star Wars prequels.  We already knew that Obi Wan and Annakin made it all the way to the end.

I despise the use of flashbacks/flash forwards in story telling.  Starting a movie or tv show showing the protagonists in some type of jeopardy and then 40 hours earlier really frustrates me.  Don't spoil the drama at the end by telling me exactly what is coming.

Starting in the middle can be effective if there are other stakes besides whether the characters live. What else could they lose? How and why are they in this situation? Is this situation actually the protagonist's fault?

Good writing can actually make knowing how it ends more compelling because what's more interesting is how they got there and the stories behind the characters before we knew them. Sadly, too many prequels lack the ability to tell such a compelling story.


Better Call Saul got that ecactly right with the "cut-to-current" black and white bits. Pre BB Saul is interesting and there's still room for what"s gonna happen to now Saul.
 
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