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2021-06-12 4:19:13 PM  
Microsoft calling Windows 10 the last version of Windows was the fail

There was no way they were to keep that promise
 
2021-06-12 4:19:27 PM  
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2021-06-12 4:28:00 PM  
They're bring back rounded corners?  Making the thing usable on the desktop again?  Those would be real innovations.  Bold.  Visionary.  I doubt they can pull it off.
 
2021-06-12 5:43:08 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: They're bring back rounded corners?  Making the thing usable on the desktop again?  Those would be real innovations.  Bold.  Visionary.  I doubt they can pull it off.


Or better yet: "Windows 11: The mandatory update we actually tested.(*)"
 
2021-06-12 5:43:12 PM  
Meh, I don't mind. Each new Windows brings a brevy of new improvements under the hood. As wonderful as 7 was, 8/10 brought a crapload of much needed improvements to take advantage of newer tech.

Microsoft saying they weren't going to make another windows was probably true at the time, but it's likely that there has been so many significant changes to the OS that a new version was inevitable
 
2021-06-12 6:16:29 PM  
I'm waiting for the second gen Surface Duo. I was thinking of getting one, but 4G and no NFC? If the second gen one has those then I would be sorely tempted to upgrade my M8 after six years.
 
2021-06-12 6:23:41 PM  

somedude210: Meh, I don't mind. Each new Windows brings a brevy of new improvements under the hood. As wonderful as 7 was, 8/10 brought a crapload of much needed improvements to take advantage of newer tech.


Yeah, it does the job and works great. Neat features like the paste clipboard ( press Windows and V ) that lets you copy a bunch of things and then paste them in whatever order you want. The Edge screenshot feature that takes a snapshot of an entire web page, not just the visible area. Having a Search function in Bookmarks so you can find the page you're looking for. And Power Toys that does things like let you resize a bunch of images in one go, or rename a bunch of documents in one go.
 
2021-06-12 6:39:56 PM  
Can I skip this one?

I'm ok with 10, and if MS sticks to protocol that means 11 is gonna be able to suck a bowling ball through a garden hose.
 
2021-06-12 6:55:57 PM  
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2021-06-12 6:58:28 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: somedude210: Meh, I don't mind. Each new Windows brings a brevy of new improvements under the hood. As wonderful as 7 was, 8/10 brought a crapload of much needed improvements to take advantage of newer tech.

Yeah, it does the job and works great. Neat features like the paste clipboard ( press Windows and V ) that lets you copy a bunch of things and then paste them in whatever order you want. The Edge screenshot feature that takes a snapshot of an entire web page, not just the visible area. Having a Search function in Bookmarks so you can find the page you're looking for. And Power Toys that does things like let you resize a bunch of images in one go, or rename a bunch of documents in one go.


Now if it only did windows!  I use a lot of overlapping terminal sessions to launch servers all day, and Microsoft took the borders and corners away from all the windows.  On a 4K monitor, you can't tell where one ends and the other one begins because the border is now 1 px wide.  And there's no God forsaken corners.  Why are there no corners?

Morons.
 
2021-06-12 6:59:21 PM  
They could make a lot of even more cash by making everyone pay to upgrade.  Bill's divorce is expensive you know.
 
2021-06-12 7:08:02 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Now if it only did windows!  I use a lot of overlapping terminal sessions to launch servers all day,


terminals.exe. Throw all your RDP sessions into a nice tabbed interface. You can also customize and scale the interfaces as you need, which is absurdly useful.
 
2021-06-12 7:16:16 PM  
I think they said that in 2015 because they were certain that everyone would prefer to use tablets and phones for everything and the traditional OS would just wither.

It's like they learned nothing from Windows 8.
 
2021-06-12 7:18:10 PM  

Dinjiin: [Fark user image 468x340]


I do

I am an ubergeek and love it when an OS gets updated in such a manner
 
2021-06-12 7:22:03 PM  
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2021-06-12 7:22:55 PM  
I would love to see a consistent, thorough, polished dark mode. I think MacOS did that pretty well.
$5.00 says that won't happen.
 
2021-06-12 7:28:53 PM  
Microsoft wants to sell you games, xbox pass etc through their store.

They want to close down windows a little bit more so that everything has to go through Microsoft store - like how the phones are. Easy with the stores but a pain with warnings otherwise.

Google, Apple makes boatloads with their app store. Microsoft wants that to happen on Windows.

Linux isn't ready for games sadly. Steam's efforts fizzled out with their steam-box.

Microsoft's plan to be spyware windows didn't pan out - but they're still trying. They put their news app right now in the taskbar. They want to monetize some other way.
 
2021-06-12 7:29:23 PM  
Windows XP and Windows 7 were perfect. They needed upgrades over time, but the core of the OS was amazing. Simple, efficient, and ran everything with out getting in the way or requiring massive customization. But nooooooo.... (I'll stop the rant before it starts).
 
2021-06-12 7:29:39 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Carter Pewterschmidt: somedude210: Meh, I don't mind. Each new Windows brings a brevy of new improvements under the hood. As wonderful as 7 was, 8/10 brought a crapload of much needed improvements to take advantage of newer tech.

Yeah, it does the job and works great. Neat features like the paste clipboard ( press Windows and V ) that lets you copy a bunch of things and then paste them in whatever order you want. The Edge screenshot feature that takes a snapshot of an entire web page, not just the visible area. Having a Search function in Bookmarks so you can find the page you're looking for. And Power Toys that does things like let you resize a bunch of images in one go, or rename a bunch of documents in one go.

Now if it only did windows!  I use a lot of overlapping terminal sessions to launch servers all day, and Microsoft took the borders and corners away from all the windows.  On a 4K monitor, you can't tell where one ends and the other one begins because the border is now 1 px wide.  And there's no God forsaken corners.  Why are there no corners?

Morons.


You can change the colours of the border if it makes them easier to see. And, though I have never tried it, you can apparently change the border size in the registry.
 
2021-06-12 7:30:56 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Marcus Aurelius: Carter Pewterschmidt: somedude210: Meh, I don't mind. Each new Windows brings a brevy of new improvements under the hood. As wonderful as 7 was, 8/10 brought a crapload of much needed improvements to take advantage of newer tech.

Yeah, it does the job and works great. Neat features like the paste clipboard ( press Windows and V ) that lets you copy a bunch of things and then paste them in whatever order you want. The Edge screenshot feature that takes a snapshot of an entire web page, not just the visible area. Having a Search function in Bookmarks so you can find the page you're looking for. And Power Toys that does things like let you resize a bunch of images in one go, or rename a bunch of documents in one go.

Now if it only did windows!  I use a lot of overlapping terminal sessions to launch servers all day, and Microsoft took the borders and corners away from all the windows.  On a 4K monitor, you can't tell where one ends and the other one begins because the border is now 1 px wide.  And there's no God forsaken corners.  Why are there no corners?

Morons.

You can change the colours of the border if it makes them easier to see. And, though I have never tried it, you can apparently change the border size in the registry.


Yeah. You have to tinker with it to make it function.
 
2021-06-12 7:51:08 PM  
Well hopefully it will be the Year of the Linux Desktop  and we won't have to.....I'm sorry I can't finish it.

Plus, run all the Linux you want under windows 10.
 
2021-06-12 7:51:34 PM  

KarmicDisaster: They could make a lot of even more cash by making everyone pay to upgrade.  Bill's divorce is expensive you know.


Charging 20 bucks to upgrade would be a great idea. That way the people that want to keep Windows 10, won't have an upgrade forced upon them.
 
2021-06-12 7:54:55 PM  
All I want right now from Microsoft is for them to stop deciding on what programs and apps i must have on my computers. Woke up yesterday with some dang weather widget/ bing news feed on the task bar. If I want news and interests I will launch firefox and type news and weather in the search bar. I don't want or need that adware garbage.
 
2021-06-12 7:58:02 PM  
I'm betting on so many UI and other changes for 21H2 that they're basically rebranding it, though I'd go with Windows 20, not 11. For the decade.
 
2021-06-12 8:11:29 PM  

entangl3d: All I want right now from Microsoft is for them to stop deciding on what programs and apps i must have on my computers. Woke up yesterday with some dang weather widget/ bing news feed on the task bar. If I want news and interests I will launch firefox and type news and weather in the search bar. I don't want or need that adware garbage.


How to remove the weather widget from the Windows 10 taskbar

To remove this News & Interests widget from our taskbar, simply follow these steps:
Right click on the Windows 10 taskbar. Place the mouse over the "News and interests" option. Select the "Disconnect" option.
 
2021-06-12 8:17:36 PM  

KarmicDisaster: They could make a lot of even more cash by making everyone pay to upgrade.  Bill's divorce is expensive you know.


The MS BOD forced Gates off the BOD on 3/13/20.  MS and Gates have no connection to each other now.
 
2021-06-12 8:18:04 PM  

entangl3d: All I want right now from Microsoft is for them to stop deciding on what programs and apps i must have on my computers. Woke up yesterday with some dang weather widget/ bing news feed on the task bar. If I want news and interests I will launch firefox and type news and weather in the search bar. I don't want or need that adware garbage.


In the next version of Windows, you will need to be a Certified Windows User, Gold Level, in order to adjust your own settings. Courseware starts at $1,299. The Certified Windows User Tests are $499 each. Testing sessions are held every other Saturday at the Des Moines Airport Hilton. Register in person or have a Certified Windows User, Platinum Level or above, register in person for you!
 
2021-06-12 8:19:49 PM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: entangl3d: All I want right now from Microsoft is for them to stop deciding on what programs and apps i must have on my computers. Woke up yesterday with some dang weather widget/ bing news feed on the task bar. If I want news and interests I will launch firefox and type news and weather in the search bar. I don't want or need that adware garbage.

How to remove the weather widget from the Windows 10 taskbar

To remove this News & Interests widget from our taskbar, simply follow these steps:
Right click on the Windows 10 taskbar. Place the mouse over the "News and interests" option. Select the "Disconnect" option.


Great! Now how do we make them stop installing ads on things we already paid good money for?
 
2021-06-12 8:32:16 PM  

somedude210: Meh, I don't mind. Each new Windows brings a brevy of new improvements under the hood. As wonderful as 7 was, 8/10 brought a crapload of much needed improvements to take advantage of newer tech.

Microsoft saying they weren't going to make another windows was probably true at the time, but it's likely that there has been so many significant changes to the OS that a new version was inevitable


I pretty much don't need the new tech and would appreciate that these assholes don't move everything to a new, hidden location.  I kind of know how to use the computer, its unlikely they can improve anything I already do, so any change is going to suck.
 
2021-06-12 8:57:36 PM  
Yesterday: "Microsoft is way behind! Their products are old and icky! Make new all the things!"

Today: "Microsoft is updating things! Don't change anything, I like it just the way it is!"

This gripe has been going on since, I dunno, Win 98?
 
2021-06-12 9:02:49 PM  
The really question is whether it will break the good/bad/good/bad cycle.  If they stick to the pattern, this one will suck.
 
2021-06-12 9:08:52 PM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: To remove this News & Interests widget from our taskbar, simply follow these steps:
Right click on the Windows 10 taskbar. Place the mouse over the "News and interests" option. Select the "Disconnect" option


No the real way to disable it is gpedit.msc > Administrative templates > Windows components > News and interests then edit it to disabled. This widget is tied to the windows search service and edge. When right clicking all you have done is hide it. You gotta stop it's service from running at all.
 
2021-06-12 9:21:23 PM  
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2021-06-12 9:23:10 PM  

entangl3d: Chief Superintendent Lookout: To remove this News & Interests widget from our taskbar, simply follow these steps:
Right click on the Windows 10 taskbar. Place the mouse over the "News and interests" option. Select the "Disconnect" option

No the real way to disable it is gpedit.msc > Administrative templates > Windows components > News and interests then edit it to disabled. This widget is tied to the windows search service and edge. When right clicking all you have done is hide it. You gotta stop it's service from running at all.


I think your suggestion is for those less squeamish about deep diving into Windows.  I have Win 10 Spy Disabler installed which probably needs to be updated and rerun again.  The list of things I turned off or disabled with it would make the average user freak.
 
2021-06-12 9:24:25 PM  
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2021-06-12 9:24:56 PM  
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2021-06-12 9:30:58 PM  

entangl3d: All I want right now from Microsoft is for them to stop deciding on what programs and apps i must have on my computers. Woke up yesterday with some dang weather widget/ bing news feed on the task bar. If I want news and interests I will launch firefox and type news and weather in the search bar. I don't want or need that adware garbage.


One, it's two clicks to remove it. Takes three seconds.
Two, some people will find it useful.
Three, I didn't see any ads in it.
 
2021-06-12 9:31:26 PM  

mr0x: Microsoft wants to sell you games, xbox pass etc through their store.

They want to close down windows a little bit more so that everything has to go through Microsoft store - like how the phones are. Easy with the stores but a pain with warnings otherwise.

Google, Apple makes boatloads with their app store. Microsoft wants that to happen on Windows.

Linux isn't ready for games sadly. Steam's efforts fizzled out with their steam-box.

Microsoft's plan to be spyware windows didn't pan out - but they're still trying. They put their news app right now in the taskbar. They want to monetize some other way.


Hey, you should know that the main rumor why they are launching 11 is the Microsoft Store is going to change drastically. Even letting 3rd parties use their own CDNs and payment gateway where Microsoft will take up 0% of the cut. The Store is going to become more of a gateway to getting you software.
 
2021-06-12 9:33:00 PM  

Unscratchable_Itch: Yesterday: "Microsoft is way behind! Their products are old and icky! Make new all the things!"

Today: "Microsoft is updating things! Don't change anything, I like it just the way it is!"

This gripe has been going on since, I dunno, Win 98?


One of those rare do I smart or funny posts.
 
2021-06-12 9:46:26 PM  

cman: Dinjiin: [Fark user image 468x340]

I do

I am an ubergeek and love it when an OS gets updated in such a manner


Except they did. Windows 10 combined both the greatness of the win8 tablet mode and the desktop functionality of 7.

They said they weren't going to make another OS version because they were going to try the OSX route and just keep the same OS going for two decades with periodic updates to the whole system.
 
2021-06-12 9:47:36 PM  

baron von doodle: Carter Pewterschmidt: Marcus Aurelius: Carter Pewterschmidt: somedude210: Meh, I don't mind. Each new Windows brings a brevy of new improvements under the hood. As wonderful as 7 was, 8/10 brought a crapload of much needed improvements to take advantage of newer tech.

Yeah, it does the job and works great. Neat features like the paste clipboard ( press Windows and V ) that lets you copy a bunch of things and then paste them in whatever order you want. The Edge screenshot feature that takes a snapshot of an entire web page, not just the visible area. Having a Search function in Bookmarks so you can find the page you're looking for. And Power Toys that does things like let you resize a bunch of images in one go, or rename a bunch of documents in one go.

Now if it only did windows!  I use a lot of overlapping terminal sessions to launch servers all day, and Microsoft took the borders and corners away from all the windows.  On a 4K monitor, you can't tell where one ends and the other one begins because the border is now 1 px wide.  And there's no God forsaken corners.  Why are there no corners?

Morons.

You can change the colours of the border if it makes them easier to see. And, though I have never tried it, you can apparently change the border size in the registry.

Yeah. You have to tinker with it to make it function.


That's the benefit of Windows. Power users who know what they're doing can do a thousand times more shiat in it than an OS that has to hold your hand the whole time.
 
2021-06-12 9:49:22 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: One, it's two clicks to remove it. Takes three seconds.
Two, some people will find it useful.
Three, I didn't see any ads in it.


The news tiles themselves are the ads. Microsoft is going to earn money from those publishers everytime someone interacts with them. Not to mention the ads you'll se when you go to those publishers pages. Right clicking and hiding that widget does not disable it, its process is tied in with multiple services running on your system. Process explorer shows it calling on windows search and edge even after it has been "disabled".

Don't even get me started on Microsoft using this to inflate its Edge and Bing usage statistics. The entire widget is to monetize you in some form or another.
 
2021-06-12 10:01:07 PM  
This only matters if they:

A.) charge for the upgrade
And/or
B.) majorly change the hardware requirements
B2.)... adding an end of support date to phased out hardware...
 
2021-06-12 10:06:08 PM  
Let me guess, upgrades will be blocked unless you sign into a MSFT account, local accounts be damned?
 
2021-06-12 10:43:07 PM  

cman: Microsoft calling Windows 10 the last version of Windows was the fail

There was no way they were to keep that promise


The intention was to make the OS a subscription service. This fell through pretty quickly... then they looked at monetizing through advertising, which doesn't really sustain much. Microsoft has really been built on Server profits. Windows Server OSes, Exchange, Sharepoint... in some ways, being in the home was just a gateway drug to get IT execs to buy in to their ecosystem in the server farms.

The world is changing, and Microsoft saw that, but picked the wrong horse. The abandoned their bread and butter, wasted time pursuing unifying mobile and desktop when desktop was rumored to soon be extinct (spoiler alert: it wasn't) and new blood in Microsoft wasn't finished flexing their stupid from the c-suite boardroom table.

In the end, the old model suits them, still. Upgrade the OS every couple of years, and collect new license fees. Drop gold coins into vault. It's a formula that has worked well for them.

On my earlier point - Microsoft used to offer some sweet MSDN packages for corporations, that made is simple stupid for devs like me to take advantage of the free software keys (and bonus: they updated the keys every year) for our home systems. This was pretty smart... it made devs beholden to the Windows OS and Microsoft Office. I think they've also gotten away from that, though Visual Studio's free Community Edition is impressively powerful and open source VS Code and .NET have pushed their ecosystem far and wide.

What Microsoft has done well in the past decade is Azure.  They anticipated "the cloud" along with Amazon and Google, and those three are the only real competitors in that space. Microsoft further leverages its own OSes in Azure, which helps IT departments migrate from Windows Server-based farms.

Once the subscription OS nonsense died the death it deserved, it was only natural Windows 11 would happen.
 
2021-06-12 10:45:08 PM  

cman: Microsoft calling Windows 10 the last version of Windows was the fail

There was no way they were to keep that promise


Indiana Jones and Microsoft as an Analogy
 
2021-06-12 11:03:32 PM  
I can take one of those things off the board.

Saying "There's an end date listed for Windows 10, therefore Microsoft is ending it" is wrong. Microsoft's support policy for recent versions of Windows has been "We promise to keep providing at least some form of support for at least one version of this for around ten years since launch." Windows 7 launched in 10/2009 and the normal support cutoff was 1/2020. Windows 8.1 launched in 11/2013 and the extended support cutoff is 1/2023. (Windows 8.0 cut off early, but that's because Microsoft's position was 'We're still supporting Windows 8, and the current version of it is Windows 8.1.") Heck, even Vista followed the pattern; it launched in 1/2007 and the end date was 4/2017.

Windows 10 launched in 7/2015. And the "at least 10 years" support commitment runs to 10/2025. There's nothing new there.
 
2021-06-12 11:05:20 PM  

entangl3d: Carter Pewterschmidt: One, it's two clicks to remove it. Takes three seconds.
Two, some people will find it useful.
Three, I didn't see any ads in it.

The news tiles themselves are the ads.

News isn't "ads".

Microsoft is going to earn money from those publishers everytime someone interacts with them.
MS apparently did not make any money from the "ads" for games etc that you could download from the app store. They made money if you bought a game, but not for running that actual "ad".

Not to mention the ads you'll se when you go to those publishers pages.
By that metric all computers connected to the internet have ads. That is not the same as saying "This OS has ads".

Right clicking and hiding that widget does not disable it, its process is tied in with multiple services running on your system. Process explorer shows it calling on windows search and edge even after it has been "disabled".
Such as? What are they listed as in Task manager?

Because if I run it and then close it on my taskbar I get this after a few seconds.
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Feeds is the process, and if you click it off the taskbar it shuts down. Zero CPU, zero memory, zero disc, zero network. Are any other processes running? Big whop. It's not like I'm hard pressed for processor time or hard drive space.
 
2021-06-12 11:10:45 PM  

LesserEvil: The intention was to make the OS a subscription service. This fell through pretty quickly...


Cite? People have been claiming this for years but when W10 launched they gave everyone a full licence. Sure they could offer a subscription (as they do for business users) but you're free to say no and just keep the full licence you already had, just as some people today still keep W7 or even XP. Same with Office where you can buy the subscription Office 365 if you want but you can still buy the one off purchase full licence, and they keep on producing and updating the full licence versions.

So what evidence do you have that they intended to make Windows a subscription service?
 
2021-06-12 11:20:48 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: LesserEvil: The intention was to make the OS a subscription service. This fell through pretty quickly...

Cite? People have been claiming this for years but when W10 launched they gave everyone a full licence. Sure they could offer a subscription (as they do for business users) but you're free to say no and just keep the full licence you already had, just as some people today still keep W7 or even XP. Same with Office where you can buy the subscription Office 365 if you want but you can still buy the one off purchase full licence, and they keep on producing and updating the full licence versions.

So what evidence do you have that they intended to make Windows a subscription service?


Everyone was talking about it last year:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microso​f​ts-new-business-model-for-windows-10-p​ay-to-play/
https://www.laptopmag.com/news/window​s​-10-could-soon-be-offered-as-a-subscri​ption-based-cloud-service
https://www.onmsft.com/news/windows-1​0​-could-soon-split-feature-experience-u​pdates-delivered-via-an-app-from-the-c​ore-os
 
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