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2021-06-12 9:40:52 AM  
Doesn't seem all that street legal. And with a $130k price tag, methinks the average "Plaid" owner may not have the F1 superlicence necessary to handle such torque.

Newbie motorcycle owners crashing half a block from the dealership come to mind.

/ And Musk should send Mel Brooks a residual check
// And George Lucas, too
/// And what's the top-end speed of this thing?
 
2021-06-12 9:53:43 AM  
Why so fast? "We've got to show that an electric car is the best car, hands down," Musk said at Thursday night's event. "It's got to be clear [that] sustainable energy cars can be the fastest cars, the safest cars, [and] can be the most kick-ass cars in every way."


Well, no, Elon. What you have to show is that EVs get comparable range as a gas-powered vehicle, and that they can charge their EV at stations that are almost as ubiquitous as gas stations, and that they are as affordable to the common driver as Ford's Model-T was. Building super fast, super expensive EVs just feeds your rockstar ego.
 
2021-06-12 10:17:53 AM  
You need to go no faster than an emergency response vehicle, and as far as one can drive before needing sleep
 
2021-06-12 10:25:58 AM  

Badmoodman: Why so fast? "We've got to show that an electric car is the best car, hands down," Musk said at Thursday night's event. "It's got to be clear [that] sustainable energy cars can be the fastest cars, the safest cars, [and] can be the most kick-ass cars in every way."


Well, no, Elon. What you have to show is that EVs get comparable range as a gas-powered vehicle, and that they can charge their EV at stations that are almost as ubiquitous as gas stations, and that they are as affordable to the common driver as Ford's Model-T was. Building super fast, super expensive EVs just feeds your rockstar ego.


The Tesla Roadster and Model S (and maybe the X, but that's a weird-ass minivan) are all basically halo cars. I don't think their plan was ever to make big money on them, but just to showcase the tech that would eventually make its way into the 3 and Y.

But my long-term belief is that carmaking is nuts and they're just doing it to establish a brand name while they pivot to solar and home batteries, plus charging, etc. Then they'll license the battery tech to everyone and be making money hand over fist.

At least, that's the only possible explanation I have for their stock price.
 
2021-06-12 10:28:30 AM  
And the second 0-60 run will be double or more of that, and the third about equal with my Prius

For the money, the Taycan is a better bet, better looking too.
 
2021-06-12 10:47:46 AM  
Plaid?

Ooooh, Elon's so cool and hip with his 90s comedy movie callbacks!  Get's me SO MOIST!

:-/
 
2021-06-12 10:50:11 AM  
"This car crushes," he said.

A testament to its safety record, I'm sure.
 
2021-06-12 11:06:03 AM  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: Doesn't seem all that street legal. And with a $130k price tag, methinks the average "Plaid" owner may not have the F1 superlicence necessary to handle such torque.

/// And what's the top-end speed of this thing?


Top speed is 200 mph.
 
2021-06-12 11:07:12 AM  

NikolaiFarkoff: Then they'll license the battery tech to everyone and be making money hand over fist.


Tesla loses money like crazy selling cars.  Their profit comes from selling carbon credits and pump-and-dumping Bitcoin.
 
2021-06-12 11:08:12 AM  
 
2021-06-12 11:12:53 AM  

baka-san: And the second 0-60 run will be double or more of that, and the third about equal with my Prius

For the money, the Taycan is a better bet, better looking too.


That's supposedly fixed in the new version:

...Tesla's EVs have long been criticized for their noticeable performance drop-off. But Musk says that won't be a problem with the Plaid. The updated Model S has a new heat pump and the radiator is twice as big. "You'll actually be able to do back-to-back 0-to-60s, go on the track, just haul ass," Musk said. "This car can do it over and over again and it doesn't get winded."

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/te​s​la-model-s-plaid-performance-cold-weat​her-ev/
 
2021-06-12 11:17:34 AM  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: Doesn't seem all that street legal. And with a $130k price tag, methinks the average "Plaid" owner may not have the F1 superlicence necessary to handle such torque.

Newbie motorcycle owners crashing half a block from the dealership come to mind.

/ And Musk should send Mel Brooks a residual check
// And George Lucas, too
/// And what's the top-end speed of this thing?


What's going to really hilarious is the first time that one of them guesses wrong about which way the driver wants to go, and the driver accidentally floors it in reverse. You just know the car deciding if you should be in forward or reverse is just going to go off the rails spectacularly.

The other annoying thing is that as expensive as this car is, they still haven't implemented a HUD on the windscreen to make up for the lack of a speedo behind the steering wheel.
 
2021-06-12 11:30:20 AM  
I can't wait to accelerate at 1.3Gs into pedestrians.
 
2021-06-12 11:33:48 AM  
No, Tesla Can't Hit 60 MPH In Under 2 Seconds (Model S Plaid)
Youtube i7yigpPSu_o
 
2021-06-12 11:46:21 AM  
Oh and he is a serious idiot if he actually thinks that no one can go 400+ miles without a stop for anything. Going 400 miles in a go is easy. The only limiting factor is gas mileage.

Or does he really believe that no one is capable of driving the width of Kansas without a stop
 
2021-06-12 11:46:22 AM  

Badmoodman: Why so fast? "We've got to show that an electric car is the best car, hands down," Musk said at Thursday night's event. "It's got to be clear [that] sustainable energy cars can be the fastest cars, the safest cars, [and] can be the most kick-ass cars in every way."


Well, no, Elon. What you have to show is that EVs get comparable range as a gas-powered vehicle, and that they can charge their EV at stations that are almost as ubiquitous as gas stations, and that they are as affordable to the common driver as Ford's Model-T was. Building super fast, super expensive EVs just feeds your rockstar ego.


The goal of a halo car like the Model S is to show that EV can be better than ICE vehicles and that you don't have to compromise.  They have had longer rages than most typical ICE cars for a while.   They're still ramping up their charging stations - something no other EV maker is doing, to my knowledge. Most charging stations are not associated with the vehicle brand itself.  As for affordable to the average consumer, they're getting there.  The Model 3 has a comparable total cost of ownership to cars like the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry when you add in maintenance and depreciation.  The initial purchase price is still higher, but the cost to operate it is lower.

Building super fast, super expensive EVs generates buzz and publicity for the brand, like the Ford GT, Chevy Corvette ZR-1, or the Dodge Challenger Hellcat Redeye.  None of those cars are bought by the "typical" consumer, but they all generate excitement for their brand that benefits the lower priced models in their lines.

They're not there yet, but we've had over a century to build ICE infrastructure.  EV won't surpass that overnight, or even in a decade or two.  But it's heading in the right direction.
 
2021-06-12 11:47:07 AM  

Badmoodman: Why so fast? "We've got to show that an electric car is the best car, hands down," Musk said at Thursday night's event. "It's got to be clear [that] sustainable energy cars can be the fastest cars, the safest cars, [and] can be the most kick-ass cars in every way."


Well, no, Elon. What you have to show is that EVs get comparable range as a gas-powered vehicle, and that they can charge their EV at stations that are almost as ubiquitous as gas stations, and that they are as affordable to the common driver as Ford's Model-T was. Building super fast, super expensive EVs just feeds your rockstar ego.


And when he does that...you will have to move your stinky and loud gas powered goal posts AGAIN.
 
2021-06-12 11:52:21 AM  

lifeslammer: Oh and he is a serious idiot if he actually thinks that no one can go 400+ miles without a stop for anything. Going 400 miles in a go is easy. The only limiting factor is gas mileage.

Or does he really believe that no one is capable of driving the width of Kansas without a stop


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2021-06-12 12:00:24 PM  

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Jump ahead to about 10:22 where he says, "I believe today a production car could hit 60 mile per hour in under two seconds." He's making some assumptions in his calculations, which is fine, but as you get closer and closer to that threshold, those assumptions may become less and less accurate.   I'm not trying to take anything away from his video. I've followed his channel for a while and he knows his stuff. The math is sound, but any engineer will tell you modeling a real world situation is far more complicated than the math he's showing, which is where those assumptions come in.

Everything is impossible until someone does it.
 
2021-06-12 12:03:08 PM  

syrynxx: NikolaiFarkoff: Then they'll license the battery tech to everyone and be making money hand over fist.

Tesla loses money like crazy selling cars.  Their profit comes from selling carbon credits and pump-and-dumping Bitcoin.


They really need to move towards a more sustainable business model like most manufacturers and start taking government bailouts every so often.
 
2021-06-12 12:03:23 PM  

lifeslammer: Oh and he is a serious idiot if he actually thinks that no one can go 400+ miles without a stop for anything. Going 400 miles in a go is easy. The only limiting factor is gas mileage.

Or does he really believe that no one is capable of driving the width of Kansas without a stop


Sure there are some people who do that to themselves, but most people tend to work in a stop about every 200 miles or so to give themselves a break to piss, get some coffee, and stretch their legs. Plus most tunes people just want to stop and see stuff along the way, and want driving to be about the journey and not the destination.
 
2021-06-12 12:05:19 PM  
I'm rather surprised that vehicles with this sort of power-to-weight ratio are street legal or that they do not require a special license classification to operate on public roads.
 
2021-06-12 12:22:48 PM  

lifeslammer: Oh and he is a serious idiot if he actually thinks that no one can go 400+ miles without a stop for anything. Going 400 miles in a go is easy. The only limiting factor is gas mileage.

Or does he really believe that no one is capable of driving the width of Kansas without a stop


Five-plus hours of continuous driving is pushing it for most people when it comes to needing to take a piss.  Stopping also gives you a chance to thoroughly clean off your windshield properly.  When I drive across neighboring Nebraska, there are times where my wipers make an effort, but the bugs eventually turn into one giant smear across my windshield.

If I can recharge at a rate of 15 miles/minute when my battery is below half capacity, I can double that 400 mile range with just a couple of short pit stops.
 
2021-06-12 12:45:24 PM  
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Plaid car missing plaid seats
 
2021-06-12 12:47:17 PM  
The fact that Elon can brick it on whim next time it connects to the internet is still problematic

/of course it's basically always connected to the internet via cellular
 
2021-06-12 12:59:06 PM  
That's a guy who's mixing weed, blow, and alcohol. That's not an accusation. If I had his money, I'd do just the same.
 
2021-06-12 1:06:38 PM  

Mad_Radhu: lifeslammer: Oh and he is a serious idiot if he actually thinks that no one can go 400+ miles without a stop for anything. Going 400 miles in a go is easy. The only limiting factor is gas mileage.

Or does he really believe that no one is capable of driving the width of Kansas without a stop

Sure there are some people who do that to themselves, but most people tend to work in a stop about every 200 miles or so to give themselves a break to piss, get some coffee, and stretch their legs. Plus most tunes people just want to stop and see stuff along the way, and want driving to be about the journey and not the destination.


I see you haven't met my dad. The family summer road trip when I was a kid was driving past Super Happy Fun Land and overnighting at a dusty Holiday Inn in the middle of nowhere, or stopping at the house of college friends of my parents on our way to my grandparent's farmhouse in northern Vermont.

/one of them had a giant trampoline though
//so we ended up with one a year or so later
 
2021-06-12 1:30:15 PM  

Mad_Radhu: lifeslammer: Oh and he is a serious idiot if he actually thinks that no one can go 400+ miles without a stop for anything. Going 400 miles in a go is easy. The only limiting factor is gas mileage.

Or does he really believe that no one is capable of driving the width of Kansas without a stop

Sure there are some people who do that to themselves, but most people tend to work in a stop about every 200 miles or so to give themselves a break to piss, get some coffee, and stretch their legs. Plus most tunes people just want to stop and see stuff along the way, and want driving to be about the journey and not the destination.


You stop every 200 miles and spend around 20 min gassing up and pissing
Not 30-40 recharging
 
2021-06-12 1:36:29 PM  
So which steering wheel is on this thing?  The standard round wheel or the yoke?
 
2021-06-12 2:00:08 PM  

baka-san: Mad_Radhu: lifeslammer: Oh and he is a serious idiot if he actually thinks that no one can go 400+ miles without a stop for anything. Going 400 miles in a go is easy. The only limiting factor is gas mileage.

Or does he really believe that no one is capable of driving the width of Kansas without a stop

Sure there are some people who do that to themselves, but most people tend to work in a stop about every 200 miles or so to give themselves a break to piss, get some coffee, and stretch their legs. Plus most tunes people just want to stop and see stuff along the way, and want driving to be about the journey and not the destination.

You stop every 200 miles and spend around 20 min gassing up and pissing
Not 30-40 recharging


If we're on a drive like that, we're usually not counting the seconds we're at the rest stop. We dick around for about that long anyway before we get going again. Biggest difference to how wifey and I travel would be I'm not standing there the whole time while the gas fills my current vehicle. I could just plug in, and spend the whole time, rather than just most of the time, deciding which of the 12 different sodas I've had 3000 times before is the one I'm going to overpay for this time.
 
2021-06-12 2:00:41 PM  

Mad_Radhu: The other annoying thing is that as expensive as this car is, they still haven't implemented a HUD on the windscreen to make up for the lack of a speedo behind the steering wheel.


I think there are a lot of valid criticisms to be made of the minimalist interior and lack of physical buttons, but I still don't get the complaint of not having a guage or two directly behind the steering wheel. It takes no additional effort to look slightly to the right.
 
2021-06-12 2:33:26 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Mad_Radhu: The other annoying thing is that as expensive as this car is, they still haven't implemented a HUD on the windscreen to make up for the lack of a speedo behind the steering wheel.

I think there are a lot of valid criticisms to be made of the minimalist interior and lack of physical buttons, but I still don't get the complaint of not having a guage or two directly behind the steering wheel. It takes no additional effort to look slightly to the right.


Your eyes come off the road more for longer, more than enough to represent a significant safety issue when traveling even at modest speeds.
 
2021-06-12 2:40:06 PM  

Mad_Radhu: YabbaDabbaDouchebag: Doesn't seem all that street legal. And with a $130k price tag, methinks the average "Plaid" owner may not have the F1 superlicence necessary to handle such torque.

Newbie motorcycle owners crashing half a block from the dealership come to mind.

/ And Musk should send Mel Brooks a residual check
// And George Lucas, too
/// And what's the top-end speed of this thing?

What's going to really hilarious is the first time that one of them guesses wrong about which way the driver wants to go, and the driver accidentally floors it in reverse. You just know the car deciding if you should be in forward or reverse is just going to go off the rails spectacularly.

The other annoying thing is that as expensive as this car is, they still haven't implemented a HUD on the windscreen to make up for the lack of a speedo behind the steering wheel.


Wait. Where is the speedo then?
 
2021-06-12 2:49:28 PM  

Beta Tested: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Mad_Radhu: The other annoying thing is that as expensive as this car is, they still haven't implemented a HUD on the windscreen to make up for the lack of a speedo behind the steering wheel.

I think there are a lot of valid criticisms to be made of the minimalist interior and lack of physical buttons, but I still don't get the complaint of not having a guage or two directly behind the steering wheel. It takes no additional effort to look slightly to the right.

Your eyes come off the road more for longer, more than enough to represent a significant safety issue when traveling even at modest speeds.


No they don't. Show some data where looking several inches to the right is significantly longer than straight down.
 
2021-06-12 2:51:17 PM  

Badmoodman: Why so fast? "We've got to show that an electric car is the best car, hands down," Musk said at Thursday night's event. "It's got to be clear [that] sustainable energy cars can be the fastest cars, the safest cars, [and] can be the most kick-ass cars in every way."


Well, no, Elon. What you have to show is that EVs get comparable range as a gas-powered vehicle, and that they can charge their EV at stations that are almost as ubiquitous as gas stations, and that they are as affordable to the common driver as Ford's Model-T was. Building super fast, super expensive EVs just feeds your rockstar ego.


The speed is a byproduct of the battery pack.  A big battery pack that can be quickly charged can be quickly DIScharged.

You want long range and five minute refills, you gonna get a blindingly quick car.
 
2021-06-12 2:56:56 PM  

baka-san: Mad_Radhu: lifeslammer: Oh and he is a serious idiot if he actually thinks that no one can go 400+ miles without a stop for anything. Going 400 miles in a go is easy. The only limiting factor is gas mileage.

Or does he really believe that no one is capable of driving the width of Kansas without a stop

Sure there are some people who do that to themselves, but most people tend to work in a stop about every 200 miles or so to give themselves a break to piss, get some coffee, and stretch their legs. Plus most tunes people just want to stop and see stuff along the way, and want driving to be about the journey and not the destination.

You stop every 200 miles and spend around 20 min gassing up and pissing
Not 30-40 recharging


Well.... not really.

I'll try to find it, but last year someone documented a Colorado-NY trip they made with their Tesla.
Short version:  They could easily cover 750mi a day, which was more the limit of themselves than the limit of the car.

Driving to the limit of their bladders then spending 20 minutes at a Supercharger while they ate and used the facilities then getting back on the road again.

They key is you do not need to FILL UP, it is fast to get to 80%, the last 20% takes time.  And you don't even need to get to 80%, really.

The end result is that you show up to your hotel/motel and get that 100% charge while you are sleeping, fresh and ready for another 12-14 hours behind the wheel.
 
2021-06-12 2:58:56 PM  
"There are essentially zero trips above 400 miles where the driver doesn't need to stop for restroom, food, coffee, etc. anyway," he said."

Wanna bet?

I have woken up in winter hell in Minneapolis and said "nope I feel like I need summer" and driven to Austin Texas in a day.

I moved to Montana from Texas in less than 2 days all possession packed in the car.

I have hauled ass from Stanford Conneticut to Cleveland in an afternoon/evening.

Left Phoenix and been on site in San Diego the next morning.

The list can go on. But bullshiat "400 miles is good enough, zero road trips over that"
 
2021-06-12 3:02:56 PM  
Found it.  I was wrong, it was California to NY, and the longest day was 870 miles.

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/for​u​m/grm/cross-country-ev-roadtrip/175507​/page1/

They were also eating while driving to minimize time while stopped.  Charging was by and large not a time limiting factor.
 
2021-06-12 3:03:20 PM  

Ragin' Asian: That's a guy who's mixing weed, blow, and alcohol. That's not an accusation. If I had his money, I'd do just the same.


None of those things are particularly expensive. Your dreams can come true, my friend.
 
2021-06-12 3:47:34 PM  

Beta Tested: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Mad_Radhu: The other annoying thing is that as expensive as this car is, they still haven't implemented a HUD on the windscreen to make up for the lack of a speedo behind the steering wheel.

I think there are a lot of valid criticisms to be made of the minimalist interior and lack of physical buttons, but I still don't get the complaint of not having a guage or two directly behind the steering wheel. It takes no additional effort to look slightly to the right.

Your eyes come off the road more for longer, more than enough to represent a significant safety issue when traveling even at modest speeds.


Toyota echo.  Center console.  The reason for it was they didn't study and determined that it was safer to glance right then down and back up.
 
2021-06-12 3:52:07 PM  
"Musk claims the new Model S will be safer than most other cars on the road based on Tesla's internal data"


Hah, now I KNOW it's a rolling deathtrap.
 
2021-06-12 3:54:45 PM  
Ooh, if you didn't RTTFE/ you missed the best quote.

"I think, generally, all input is error," Musk said Thursday night.

A man with this opinion is developing AI.

Yep.  We're boned.

/read to the farking end
 
2021-06-12 4:12:40 PM  
If Tesla hasn't gotten rid of this shonky setup with a 12V battery that won't stay charged even when the car is plugged in, they should be ashamed and embarrassed.  It's crap like this that ruins the user experience, regardless of how damn fast the car is.

James May's Tesla Model S has failed!
Youtube NsKwMryKqRE
 
2021-06-12 4:14:59 PM  

Axeofjudgement: "There are essentially zero trips above 400 miles where the driver doesn't need to stop for restroom, food, coffee, etc. anyway," he said."

Wanna bet?

I have woken up in winter hell in Minneapolis and said "nope I feel like I need summer" and driven to Austin Texas in a day.

I moved to Montana from Texas in less than 2 days all possession packed in the car.

I have hauled ass from Stanford Conneticut to Cleveland in an afternoon/evening.

Left Phoenix and been on site in San Diego the next morning.

The list can go on. But bullshiat "400 miles is good enough, zero road trips over that"


Good points.  They'll be even better points if you didn't stop for gas or rest breaks during the trip.
 
2021-06-12 4:18:38 PM  

xanadian: Plaid?

Ooooh, Elon's so cool and hip with his 90s comedy movie callbacks!  Get's me SO MOIST!

:-/


Zoomers and Millennials can't afford it, so he's marketing to his demographic, mostly Boomer and Gen-X with disposable income.
 
2021-06-12 4:26:40 PM  

Saturn5: Axeofjudgement: "There are essentially zero trips above 400 miles where the driver doesn't need to stop for restroom, food, coffee, etc. anyway," he said."

Wanna bet?

I have woken up in winter hell in Minneapolis and said "nope I feel like I need summer" and driven to Austin Texas in a day.

I moved to Montana from Texas in less than 2 days all possession packed in the car.

I have hauled ass from Stanford Conneticut to Cleveland in an afternoon/evening.

Left Phoenix and been on site in San Diego the next morning.

The list can go on. But bullshiat "400 miles is good enough, zero road trips over that"

Good points.  They'll be even better points if you didn't stop for gas or rest breaks during the trip.


Yes. To fill up, maybe use a restroom. 15 minutes tops. Not 45-60 minutes.

No rest breaks, when I go. I go.

Maybe tesla drivers lack the fortitude to hit the road and really hit it. But at anytime given up to 3 days I can mysteriously end up anywhere in America.

Hell had sushi with my family one night, got a call the next evening about when we were doing it next "ummm when I said goodbye and ill see you eventually? I seriously did just move to Texas"

Then spent 2 years down there. Things happen, I do things, and I keep my life very minimalist so I can go find the next adventure.

4 hours of driving equals stop for gas and piss, never eat on the road. Power through with caffeine and a goal.

Having a range to limit what I can do or where I can go? Doesn't work for me.
 
2021-06-12 4:31:02 PM  

Axeofjudgement: Saturn5: Axeofjudgement: "There are essentially zero trips above 400 miles where the driver doesn't need to stop for restroom, food, coffee, etc. anyway," he said."

Wanna bet?

I have woken up in winter hell in Minneapolis and said "nope I feel like I need summer" and driven to Austin Texas in a day.

I moved to Montana from Texas in less than 2 days all possession packed in the car.

I have hauled ass from Stanford Conneticut to Cleveland in an afternoon/evening.

Left Phoenix and been on site in San Diego the next morning.

The list can go on. But bullshiat "400 miles is good enough, zero road trips over that"

Good points.  They'll be even better points if you didn't stop for gas or rest breaks during the trip.

Yes. To fill up, maybe use a restroom. 15 minutes tops. Not 45-60 minutes.

No rest breaks, when I go. I go.

Maybe tesla drivers lack the fortitude to hit the road and really hit it. But at anytime given up to 3 days I can mysteriously end up anywhere in America.

Hell had sushi with my family one night, got a call the next evening about when we were doing it next "ummm when I said goodbye and ill see you eventually? I seriously did just move to Texas"

Then spent 2 years down there. Things happen, I do things, and I keep my life very minimalist so I can go find the next adventure.

4 hours of driving equals stop for gas and piss, never eat on the road. Power through with caffeine and a goal.

Having a range to limit what I can do or where I can go? Doesn't work for me.


Do you think it is possible that you are an extreme edge case? No EV will fit your lifestyle, but for the other 99% of people, they are generally fine.
 
2021-06-12 4:37:50 PM  

Mad_Radhu: .

Do you think it is possible that you are an extreme edge case? No EV will fit your lifestyle, but for the other 99% of people, they are generally fine.


It's a nice counter argument to "everyone needs to go EV"

Also I have replaced hybrid battery cells. shiat scares me. That's the possibility to discharge a whole lot of amperage into yourself very quickly. But 200 bucks on eBay vs 4k dollars at the Toyota dealer before labor. Damn Skippy I'm replacing individual cells myself.

I discovered Subaru. Until they get fast charging down or we get a better way to store electricity, it's decent MPG lots of room in the wagon and their AWD system is phenomenal.

Get those 2 things done right and I'm not stuck in a forest fire in Montana or "oh shiat it's all flooding and I needs to go!" And I don't worry about how far and long I have to drive? I'm in.
 
2021-06-12 4:40:07 PM  

Axeofjudgement: Yes. To fill up, maybe use a restroom. 15 minutes tops. Not 45-60 minutes.

No rest breaks, when I go. I go.
...
4 hours of driving equals stop for gas and piss, never eat on the road. Power through with caffeine and a goal.


The key to road tripping in a Tesla is to not use the complete battery range.  Between 20% and 80% the battery charges it's fastest, so you're better off making a 30 minute stop every 300 or so miles instead of stretching the range as far as possible between charges. 

It's still not as quick as you can do with a ICE vehicle, for sure, but it's getting a whole lot closer to being functionally comparable for the vast majority of drivers.

I routinely take a road trip that's just over 600 miles.  My car gets about 300mi per full tank.  In theory I can make that trip with a single stop, and if I were pushing it, I could.  But invariably I'll stop at least 1 or 2 times that I don't need fuel, even if only for a 5-10 minute rest stop.
 
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2021-06-12 4:42:53 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Beta Tested: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Mad_Radhu: The other annoying thing is that as expensive as this car is, they still haven't implemented a HUD on the windscreen to make up for the lack of a speedo behind the steering wheel.

I think there are a lot of valid criticisms to be made of the minimalist interior and lack of physical buttons, but I still don't get the complaint of not having a guage or two directly behind the steering wheel. It takes no additional effort to look slightly to the right.

Your eyes come off the road more for longer, more than enough to represent a significant safety issue when traveling even at modest speeds.

No they don't. Show some data where looking several inches to the right is significantly longer than straight down.


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I'm one that would prefer a quick eyeball down and up again to get my speed/fuel/temp information, rather than off to a side and back again.  But I'm also one that wants tactile knobs, buttons and levers so that I don't have to look anywhere to do anything.  I'm all kinds of paranoid about taking my eyes off of the road.

/don't call me on the phone while I'm driving if you need me to pick up now.  I pull over before I talk to someone on the phone.
//had the privilege of watching a texting driver zoom through a red, but happily he didn't kill anyone... that time.
///I can haz a 2022 Ford Ranger for $20k?
 
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