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(Yahoo)   Conventional wisdom, and conservative talking point, says that cutting jobless benefits will encourage the unemployed to get back to work. I'll take More Things Conservatives are Wrong About for $300   (money.yahoo.com) divider line
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‘’ 1 day ago  
Conservatives are desperate to believe than any bad thing that comes your way was earned via your moral shortcomings. Then, handily, all the good things that come their way are due to their moral superiority.

Which makes all those white people talking about how they unknowingly got addicted to opioid ads somewhat amusing.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
Thanks, Captain Obvious.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
Conservatives are idiots, assholes, and idiotic assholes.

Same as it always was.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
Scumbag Republicans want cheap, desperate labor. People seem to care a lot less about what they want these days than they used to. Being exploited by the people who instigated a failed white nationalist coup isn't attractive to most of us.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  

TofuTheAlmighty: Conservatives are idiots, assholes, and idiotic assholes.

Same as it always was.


You forgot the terms: Sociopaths, sadists, and greedy.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
Being cruel to poor people is the whole point. Getting people back to work is just a convenient excuse that sells well with the "I got mine" crowd.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
It just makes me sick that these assholes are literally taking away money from their people just because the Democrats want to give it to them. It doesnvt even cost the state anything extra! It's just a big fark you.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
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‘’ 1 day ago  

edmo: Conservatives are desperate to believe than any bad thing that comes your way was earned via your moral shortcomings.


While conservative voters have certainly started believing in their parties endless bullshiat, GQP pols see this very differently.  Their major concern is that their "job creator" myth is crumbling.  People are starting to learn that they don't need to accept starvation wages. The right is terrified that what we're seeing now is the beginnings of a new labor movement that forces businesses to start reversing decades of labor cutbacks in order to retain the workers they need.

Taking away the enhanced benefits is 100% an attempt to force people back into those low wage jobs, before businesses are forced to start raising wages to attract workers.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
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‘’ 1 day ago  
The volumes of things that conservatives are wrong about:
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The volumes of things that conservatives are right about:
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‘’ 1 day ago  
I think I see a flaw. "Job searches" are not a good measurement.

With all the "Help Wanted" signs out there, the people whose benefits were cut did not have to do a "job search." They simply went out and got a job. Perhaps they got a job at the place they worked before the epidemic, which is now back open for business.

Not to say that cutting the benefits is a good thing. Clearly some people who weren't on their toes are still "searching," and may not find anything.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  

Malenfant: Scumbag Republicans want cheap, desperate labor.


The same people who are keeping a supply of cheap, desperate labor locked up at the boarder?  Those republicans?  The republicans that are doing their best to deport the cheap desperate labor that is already here?  Time for a new talking point.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
Republicans always lie.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
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‘’ 1 day ago  
Its not that people don't want to work. Its that people can't afford to work.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
That data doesn't say what the headline imagines it does.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
The frustrating thing is that they don't care that they're wrong.

Just like with sex education objectively REDUCING teen pregnancy, STDs, and abortions while conservatives claim the exact opposite.  They don't care what IS, just what they think SHOULD BE.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  

anfrind: Republicans always lie.


That depends on what the definition of "is" is.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
When I was on UI between jobs, you HAD to show at least 3 job searches per week to keep receiving your weekly UI cheque.

When...a friend...told their caseworker there was literally nothing available for their education, experience, and income expectations, she told them just to apply for something you're completely unqualified for to keep yourself in good standing.

I'm presuming a lot of this is people no longer going through the motions just to keep getting paid.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
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‘’ 1 day ago  
I can't figure it out. Obviously the evidence shows that cutting UI benefits doesn't work. What WILL work, though?

I've had postings up for 2 front desk staff and 2 housekeepers, 1 head housekeeper, and 1 maintenance position for months now, with no inquiries at all even though we're offering well above minimum wage. At this point I'd hire a ham sandwich if it could hand out room keys. We're handing out overtime like candy, but you can't make people work 7 days a week for months at a time.

The fast food restaurants down the street have had signs up offering $15 an hour for prep and register positions for just as long. They're also still short-handed.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  

Jeebus Saves: Malenfant: Scumbag Republicans want cheap, desperate labor.

The same people who are keeping a supply of cheap, desperate labor locked up at the boarder?  Those republicans?  The republicans that are doing their best to deport the cheap desperate labor that is already here?  Time for a new talking point.


That was just bullshiat to make their ignorant base happy, until Trump and his wall came along. Ask the farmers in the South who watched their crops rot on the ground when that cheap labor decided to stay away how they really feel about deporting that labor source.

That crap was never meant to be acted upon it was just something for the racists to masturbate to.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
"We're not seeing an increase in relative search activity in states where those opt-outs begin to take effect," Jed Kolko, Indeed's chief economist, told Yahoo Money.

While I'm not in favor of cutting unemployment benefits, online job search activity is really not a great metric for measuring what effect cutting benefits had on the jobless. Did unemployment stay static, or did more people become employed? If more people found jobs, than I think online job search activity would fall.

Like I said, I think there should be no cuts made to unemployment.
If you want to entice people to come back to work, start paying them a living wage.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
Serious question - can anyone name an issue that conservatives turned out to be right about?
 
‘’ 1 day ago  

Jgok: I can't figure it out. Obviously the evidence shows that cutting UI benefits doesn't work. What WILL work, though?

I've had postings up for 2 front desk staff and 2 housekeepers, 1 head housekeeper, and 1 maintenance position for months now, with no inquiries at all even though we're offering well above minimum wage. At this point I'd hire a ham sandwich if it could hand out room keys. We're handing out overtime like candy, but you can't make people work 7 days a week for months at a time.

The fast food restaurants down the street have had signs up offering $15 an hour for prep and register positions for just as long. They're also still short-handed.


Well, what is your starting wage? Is it enough to cover the costs of daycare?
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
There are three possible outcomes to giving the unemployed 300 extra dollars a week, and the red states canceling that.

1.  Nothing of significance.  Blue states still get the extra money, so they win.
2.  It works for the better, blue states win.
3.  It crashes the entire world economy, and we have to become a one world government based on the betterment of the collective.  Blue team wins.

So, in conclusion, blue team wins.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  

Cache: Serious question - can anyone name an issue that conservatives turned out to be right about?



They didn't like Kennedy because he was Catholic. They were worried about the Pope/Church having influence at a high level of our government.

So while they were wrong about him they were right to be worried...
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
While I believe that most modern conservatives should be installed alongside highways on pikes, there is a good chance that this is related to the fact that you are required to at least play at making a job search while on UI benefits.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
While the idea may not be completely faulty, the execution is.  As someone in the very gutted foodservice industry, there are quite a few people from kitchens who decided to try and take a break while they can and still get paid, perhaps actually able to participate in the lives of their friends and family for once.  However, the teat of unemployment prevents them from weening off the free money and they don't want to do the job anymore, but aren't qualified for much else.  I've been going on 50+ hour weeks for some time because these very same people dont want to come back, and on one hand, I can't blame them. People have realized most industries don't care about workers and their problems and lives, the industry just wants to use you as ling as it can and move on to the next warm body.

A quick CSB that exemplifies this mentality-
A decade or so ago, I was looking at renting out restaurant space from this couple who couldn't keep their cafe running so they had to shut it down, but were looking for ways to keep bringing income in to pay the bills.  I was asking about the place when it was open and how many people they had working for them and the lady answered they really only had one solid guy who worked for them almost every day, but she said his work started to taper off, and they felt he was just getting lazy.  Then she said, "but I guess he actually had gotten pretty sick, because he died". And Ill remember that always- you can be literally the only good worker, but when Your work fluctuates, thats all the companies care about.  Thanks for your life, Next!
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  

Jgok: I can't figure it out. Obviously the evidence shows that cutting UI benefits doesn't work. What WILL work, though?

I've had postings up for 2 front desk staff and 2 housekeepers, 1 head housekeeper, and 1 maintenance position for months now, with no inquiries at all even though we're offering well above minimum wage. At this point I'd hire a ham sandwich if it could hand out room keys. We're handing out overtime like candy, but you can't make people work 7 days a week for months at a time.

The fast food restaurants down the street have had signs up offering $15 an hour for prep and register positions for just as long. They're also still short-handed.


What other perks are you offering? Paid time off? Low-cost health insurance? Subsidized daycare? If you can't attract employees, the solution is not to cut their benefits. The solution is to offer more than they can get while not working.

The VA is kicking me off of healthcare because I made too much money last year. The reason I made so much money is because we had to offer a ton of remedial classes, weekend classes, and summer school for all of the students who did not pass. It's an anomaly, but I'm being kicked out of my health care during a pandemic because I had the audacity to take extra work. I will never make as a teacher in AZ what I made last year, but good luck convincing the gubmint of that.
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  

lincoln65: Jgok: I can't figure it out. Obviously the evidence shows that cutting UI benefits doesn't work. What WILL work, though?

I've had postings up for 2 front desk staff and 2 housekeepers, 1 head housekeeper, and 1 maintenance position for months now, with no inquiries at all even though we're offering well above minimum wage. At this point I'd hire a ham sandwich if it could hand out room keys. We're handing out overtime like candy, but you can't make people work 7 days a week for months at a time.

The fast food restaurants down the street have had signs up offering $15 an hour for prep and register positions for just as long. They're also still short-handed.

Well, what is your starting wage? Is it enough to cover the costs of daycare?


No kids, so I don't know how much daycare costs. Most hotel workers are either younger (20's) or older (post-40), though. The scheduling doesn't work too well for someone who has young children.

If daycare is the reason, apparently $15 isn't enough.
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  

Jgok: I can't figure it out. Obviously the evidence shows that cutting UI benefits doesn't work. What WILL work, though?

I've had postings up for 2 front desk staff and 2 housekeepers, 1 head housekeeper, and 1 maintenance position for months now, with no inquiries at all even though we're offering well above minimum wage. At this point I'd hire a ham sandwich if it could hand out room keys. We're handing out overtime like candy, but you can't make people work 7 days a week for months at a time.

The fast food restaurants down the street have had signs up offering $15 an hour for prep and register positions for just as long. They're also still short-handed.


My company has expanded significantly, having just bought out another, even larger company, so our workloads have more than doubled, we're all wearing multiple hats right now, and we need to hire more staff.  Yet nobody seems to be responding to our ads.  I don't understand why -- and we also offer higher than minimum wage.  But then here in Canada we have government assistance amounting to $2k/mo (before taxes; recipients are expected to hold some back to pay their taxes next tax year) for those who are out of work due to the pandemic, and there are probably more than a few who are just coasting on that.
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  

Sgt Otter: When I was on UI between jobs, you HAD to show at least 3 job searches per week to keep receiving your weekly UI cheque.

When...a friend...told their caseworker there was literally nothing available for their education, experience, and income expectations, she told them just to apply for something you're completely unqualified for to keep yourself in good standing.

I'm presuming a lot of this is people no longer going through the motions just to keep getting paid.


Many states dropped that requirement during the pandemic

There have been a fair number of people arguing that it would've made more sense to put that requirement back in, or slowly reduce the $300, rather than the way most states are just cutting benefits
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  

Jgok: I can't figure it out. Obviously the evidence shows that cutting UI benefits doesn't work. What WILL work, though?

I've had postings up for 2 front desk staff and 2 housekeepers, 1 head housekeeper, and 1 maintenance position for months now, with no inquiries at all even though we're offering well above minimum wage. At this point I'd hire a ham sandwich if it could hand out room keys. We're handing out overtime like candy, but you can't make people work 7 days a week for months at a time.

The fast food restaurants down the street have had signs up offering $15 an hour for prep and register positions for just as long. They're also still short-handed.


How much above minimum? What's your local minimum wage? How much leeway do your employees have in dealing with raging asshole customers? Customer service jobs are among the most soul-destroying jobs there are in the States, and that's some pretty tough competition. Quite frankly, there's no wage that would ever get me into a customer facing position working for someone else anymore.
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  

Cache: Serious question - can anyone name an issue that conservatives turned out to be right about?


All attempts at Communism have failed and resulted in around 100 million people being murdered by their government.
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  
If anything, it's pushed the people that worked in the affected industries to new domains.  The same states that cut unemployment benefits are the same states that make you work on the same building with Covid spreaders.
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  

Jgok: lincoln65: Jgok: I can't figure it out. Obviously the evidence shows that cutting UI benefits doesn't work. What WILL work, though?

I've had postings up for 2 front desk staff and 2 housekeepers, 1 head housekeeper, and 1 maintenance position for months now, with no inquiries at all even though we're offering well above minimum wage. At this point I'd hire a ham sandwich if it could hand out room keys. We're handing out overtime like candy, but you can't make people work 7 days a week for months at a time.

The fast food restaurants down the street have had signs up offering $15 an hour for prep and register positions for just as long. They're also still short-handed.

Well, what is your starting wage? Is it enough to cover the costs of daycare?

No kids, so I don't know how much daycare costs. Most hotel workers are either younger (20's) or older (post-40), though. The scheduling doesn't work too well for someone who has young children.

If daycare is the reason, apparently $15 isn't enough.


It isn't.

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‘’ 22 hours ago  

Gin Buddy: Cache: Serious question - can anyone name an issue that conservatives turned out to be right about?


They didn't like Kennedy because he was Catholic. They were worried about the Pope/Church having influence at a high level of our government.

So while they were wrong about him they were right to be worried...


They were only worried because it's a church with a foreign leader.  They are perfectly fine with violating the separation of church and state when it's a domestic church.

Although in this day and age, I suspect that most GQP members would be fine with declaring the Russian Orthodox Church to be America's state religion.
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  
Usual conservative strategy here is cutting benefits didn't work only because they were not cut far enough.... Therefore there needs to be deeper and steeper cuts.
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  

TheGreatGazoo: Cache: Serious question - can anyone name an issue that conservatives turned out to be right about?

All attempts at Communism have failed and resulted in around 100 million people being murdered by their government.


Sloppy Joe thinks it's a good idea.
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‘’ 22 hours ago  
I'm pretty sure only Republicans are calling that conventional wisdom.
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  

Jgok: I can't figure it out. Obviously the evidence shows that cutting UI benefits doesn't work. What WILL work, though?

I've had postings up for 2 front desk staff and 2 housekeepers, 1 head housekeeper, and 1 maintenance position for months now, with no inquiries at all even though we're offering well above minimum wage. At this point I'd hire a ham sandwich if it could hand out room keys. We're handing out overtime like candy, but you can't make people work 7 days a week for months at a time.

The fast food restaurants down the street have had signs up offering $15 an hour for prep and register positions for just as long. They're also still short-handed.


The 7-11 down the road from me is offering a $200.00 hiring bonus. They actually had to close for a few days. Have you ever seen a closed 7-11? Nobody wants to work graveyard for $11.00 an hour. Especially in a service job.
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  
Hahahahahahahahaha "christians"
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  

Jgok: I can't figure it out. Obviously the evidence shows that cutting UI benefits doesn't work. What WILL work, though?

I've had postings up for 2 front desk staff and 2 housekeepers, 1 head housekeeper, and 1 maintenance position for months now, with no inquiries at all even though we're offering well above minimum wage. At this point I'd hire a ham sandwich if it could hand out room keys. We're handing out overtime like candy, but you can't make people work 7 days a week for months at a time.

The fast food restaurants down the street have had signs up offering $15 an hour for prep and register positions for just as long. They're also still short-handed.


No intention of snark here...

What is the average rent for a 1 bedroom apartment where you are at?  You can be several dollars of minimum wage... but still be flat short on cost of living wage.  If a 1 bedroom cost 1k a month tho rent... that is 18 an hour the people on the lease need to make to afford and/or be considered qualified.

Also:  alot of customer service employees experienced (in general) a distilled Karen-effect with the economic pause.  Also... many had time to fi ish education... or find other jobs that pay more or offer a work home balance that works for them.

Child care is also damned racketeer level expensive.

After 20years of record profit, record cash on hand, record executive bonuses, record stock prices, but need to lay people off, cut hours, cut benefits, (You are probably collateral damage here, no snark meant) people are done with it.

Cost of living has far out stripped pay.  Even if one subscribes to "the world needs ditch diggers too, but they dont deserve to live decent (roof, food, health care, maybe a used car that is reliable) and are expected to have families.  People are fed up with it

Just some thoughts.
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  
I would assume this is a mix of two things:
1. People are no longer doing the required X job searches to get un-employment benefits*
2. People doing the job searches, but then accepting a job

That it ramped up directly before the end of benefits before plunging back down, to me, points to at least some of it being 2.

*Now, what I don't know, and am too lazy to look up, is if the states canceling the extended stuff, is just the extra money, or being eligible for unemployment at all.  If it's just the extra money, I wouldn't expect people to stop doing their searches.
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  

TheGreatGazoo: Cache: Serious question - can anyone name an issue that conservatives turned out to be right about?

All attempts at Communism have failed and resulted in around 100 million people being murdered by their government.


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*and stop smarting your own posts
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  
A unionized employee, a Conservative voter and a CEO are sitting at a table. In the middle of the table is a plate with a dozen cookies. The CEO reaches across and takes 11 cookies, turns to the Conservative and says, "Look out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie.
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  
Very well, subby. Send me my $300.
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  
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