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(BBC)   You might want to sit down for this one, but it seems Kim Kardashian has failed her first year law exam - again. I know, the woman who married Kanye West. It just beggars belief   (bbc.co.uk) divider line
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2021-06-11 11:07:42 AM  
She must thought Legally Blonde was a documentary.

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2021-06-11 11:31:22 AM  
I prefer the pidgin one.

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2021-06-11 11:54:12 AM  
I bet she misspelled her name.
 
2021-06-11 11:54:28 AM  
I have zero time for Kardashians, but are we mocking people for trying to learn now? That seems uncool.
 
2021-06-11 11:55:19 AM  
Hey, man, you try studying in between a full day selfies and trips to the plastic surgeon while nannies raise your kids. It ain't easy.
 
2021-06-11 11:58:16 AM  

drewogatory: I have zero time for Kardashians, but are we mocking people for trying to learn now? That seems uncool.


No, we're mocking attention whores who sell information like this to the public for a quick buck.

If Joe Schmo failed the Bar in private, it'd be inappropriate.  But this is just more product the Kardashians are selling.  Every aspect of their lives is for sale, so we're mocking the lowest hanging fruit.

I have zero empathy for anyone in that family.
 
amb
2021-06-11 11:59:41 AM  
I looked into what the Baby Bar test is when I heard about it. It has a very high failure rate, but really it is designed to see with your self directed education, or your law school program that isn't recognized by the CA Bar, that you are learning what you would have in the first year of law school. Something like 20-25% will pass, and bad news for Kim, people that retake it continue to fail at a very high rate (like 10-15% will pass on the retry).

Baby Bar is kind of like if we made home schoolers take a standardized test to see that they are getting and learning the state's curriculum.
 
2021-06-11 12:00:10 PM  

drewogatory: I have zero time for Kardashians, but are we mocking people for trying to learn now? That seems uncool.


"Trying to learn"
 
2021-06-11 12:00:48 PM  
How long does it take to learn that the verdict is always known before the trial begins, and it's always the same?
 
2021-06-11 12:04:07 PM  

scotchcrotch: drewogatory: I have zero time for Kardashians, but are we mocking people for trying to learn now? That seems uncool.

No, we're mocking attention whores who sell information like this to the public for a quick buck.

If Joe Schmo failed the Bar in private, it'd be inappropriate.  But this is just more product the Kardashians are selling.  Every aspect of their lives is for sale, so we're mocking the lowest hanging fruit.

I have zero empathy for anyone in that family.


It's impossible to tell what is real here. She is selling some kind of professional bimbo lifestyle thing, feeding the meaningless low gossip rags. The story that she failed her law exam again is so perfectlybalanced on the knife edge between "pay attention to me as a victim" and "pay attention to me as a hero" it's impossible to take without a huge grain of salt. It should really be ignored, but for our own benefit, not for hers.
 
2021-06-11 12:04:20 PM  
I'm kinda conflicted on these people. Don't get me wrong, the whole family is full of vapid pieces of shiat, who are just awful people. But they built an empire from the tiniest amount of name recognition a person can have. They realized people would buy what they had to sell, and made a brand that's a household name after it. And sure, Kim is a media-grabbing asshole who is probably only in law school for attention and Instagram likes, but I also don't really like knocking people who are trying to learn, better themselves, or becoming a contributing aspect to society. 

I guess it's a wash.
 
2021-06-11 12:05:14 PM  

drewogatory: I have zero time for Kardashians, but are we mocking people for trying to learn now? That seems uncool.


She didn't even finish a Bachelor's degree, much less graduate law school.

She's just trying to a grind the Bar Exam like it's a video game boss.
 
2021-06-11 12:11:01 PM  

AnotherBluesStringer: I'm kinda conflicted on these people. Don't get me wrong, the whole family is full of vapid pieces of shiat, who are just awful people. But they built an empire from the tiniest amount of name recognition a person can have. They realized people would buy what they had to sell, and made a brand that's a household name after it. And sure, Kim is a media-grabbing asshole who is probably only in law school for attention and Instagram likes, but I also don't really like knocking people who are trying to learn, better themselves, or becoming a contributing aspect to society. 

I guess it's a wash.


We might have never heard of them if O.J. didn't..... well you know.
 
2021-06-11 12:11:54 PM  

drewogatory: I have zero time for Kardashians, but are we mocking people for trying to learn now? That seems uncool.


it isn't that

it's that even with the justice reform efforts and the Armenia thing and this, she/that family are still not interesting or compelling.  they're the second most useless family in the country.
 
2021-06-11 12:16:45 PM  
This isn't some nonsense test, it's a proper, rigorous exam.

It has a first time pass rate in the low 20%s.

There is no shame in not passing it first time, 80% don't. It absolutely does not mean she is stupid.

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2021-06-11 12:18:46 PM  
/oh God, I'm defending a Kardashian.
 
2021-06-11 12:19:13 PM  
I give her full credit for even trying to pass this exam.  I hope she keeps trying.
 
2021-06-11 12:23:12 PM  

Bungles: /oh God, I'm defending a Kardashian.


Yup.
 
2021-06-11 12:23:18 PM  
So this is sort of the reason why people pay to go to regular accredited law schools.

It all sounds nice the idea in theory that one doesn't have to pay for admittedly overpriced tuition, do full time sitting in classes and studying outside of class... and instead just work as an intern in a law firm and learn real world practical stuff.

Certainly every law school student in a state that has the option of doing an apprenticeship instead of attending law school has thought about the appeal of this.  But reality is the bar exam (including California's "baby bar") test a lot of stuff that is only really taught in law school.  Largely useless stuff that most lawyers do a memory dump of the minute they get a letter saying they passed the bar and can practice.  But there you have it.
 
2021-06-11 12:29:09 PM  

SirEattonHogg: So this is sort of the reason why people pay to go to regular accredited law schools.

It all sounds nice the idea in theory that one doesn't have to pay for admittedly overpriced tuition, do full time sitting in classes and studying outside of class... and instead just work as an intern in a law firm and learn real world practical stuff.

Certainly every law school student in a state that has the option of doing an apprenticeship instead of attending law school has thought about the appeal of this.  But reality is the bar exam (including California's "baby bar") test a lot of stuff that is only really taught in law school.  Largely useless stuff that most lawyers do a memory dump of the minute they get a letter saying they passed the bar and can practice.  But there you have it.


Weirdly though, the highest pass rate seems to be in the cohort of unaccredited distance learners.
 
2021-06-11 12:31:55 PM  

covfefe: scotchcrotch: drewogatory: I have zero time for Kardashians, but are we mocking people for trying to learn now? That seems uncool.

No, we're mocking attention whores who sell information like this to the public for a quick buck.

If Joe Schmo failed the Bar in private, it'd be inappropriate.  But this is just more product the Kardashians are selling.  Every aspect of their lives is for sale, so we're mocking the lowest hanging fruit.

I have zero empathy for anyone in that family.

It's impossible to tell what is real here. She is selling some kind of professional bimbo lifestyle thing, feeding the meaningless low gossip rags. The story that she failed her law exam again is so perfectlybalanced on the knife edge between "pay attention to me as a victim" and "pay attention to me as a hero" it's impossible to take without a huge grain of salt. It should really be ignored, but for our own benefit, not for hers.


The odd thing of this is that, in theory, it's kind of the family business (her dad was on OJ's "dream team", although I think he wasn't really much of a practicing lawyer at that point and was more a friend of the family).  So it's not completely out of the left field.  Still kinda weird, though.
 
2021-06-11 12:36:33 PM  

Marcos P: AnotherBluesStringer: I'm kinda conflicted on these people. Don't get me wrong, the whole family is full of vapid pieces of shiat, who are just awful people. But they built an empire from the tiniest amount of name recognition a person can have. They realized people would buy what they had to sell, and made a brand that's a household name after it. And sure, Kim is a media-grabbing asshole who is probably only in law school for attention and Instagram likes, but I also don't really like knocking people who are trying to learn, better themselves, or becoming a contributing aspect to society. 

I guess it's a wash.

We might have never heard of them if O.J. didn't..... well you know.


Wait...do you think he did it?
 
2021-06-11 12:36:54 PM  
Kanye's rebounding with Irina Shayk. Crazy, I know.
 
2021-06-11 12:40:43 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: Hey, man, you try studying in between a full day selfies and trips to the plastic surgeon while nannies raise your kids. It ain't easy.


I would but I'm always on fark.

I'd rather spooge with superheroes than real people.
 
2021-06-11 12:42:27 PM  

covfefe: scotchcrotch: drewogatory: I have zero time for Kardashians, but are we mocking people for trying to learn now? That seems uncool.

No, we're mocking attention whores who sell information like this to the public for a quick buck.

If Joe Schmo failed the Bar in private, it'd be inappropriate.  But this is just more product the Kardashians are selling.  Every aspect of their lives is for sale, so we're mocking the lowest hanging fruit.

I have zero empathy for anyone in that family.

It's impossible to tell what is real here. She is selling some kind of professional bimbo lifestyle thing, feeding the meaningless low gossip rags. The story that she failed her law exam again is so perfectlybalanced on the knife edge between "pay attention to me as a victim" and "pay attention to me as a hero" it's impossible to take without a huge grain of salt. It should really be ignored, but for our own benefit, not for hers.


.... Y'all are special.
 
2021-06-11 12:43:23 PM  

Bungles: This isn't some nonsense test, it's a proper, rigorous exam.

It has a first time pass rate in the low 20%s.

There is no shame in not passing it first time, 80% don't. It absolutely does not mean she is stupid.

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Thanks for the clarification, Kim.
 
2021-06-11 12:45:09 PM  

SirEattonHogg: But reality is the bar exam (including California's "baby bar") test a lot of stuff that is only really taught in law school.

bar prep classes.

/FTFY
 
2021-06-11 12:51:07 PM  
Everything I know about the Kardashians I learned against my will
 
2021-06-11 12:53:02 PM  

Bungles: This isn't some nonsense test, it's a proper, rigorous exam.

It has a first time pass rate in the low 20%s.

There is no shame in not passing it first time, 80% don't. It absolutely does not mean she is stupid.

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She's not going to sleep with you

/I also agree with you
 
2021-06-11 12:58:12 PM  

HighOnCraic: How long does it take to learn that the verdict is always known before the trial begins, and it's always the same?



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2021-06-11 12:58:48 PM  
Study more hard

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2021-06-11 1:00:40 PM  
Kim ain't stupid. Even her alliance with Kanye had logical promotion purposes if you don't believe anyone could actually love that maniac.

I equally admire her and am disgusted by her.  The Kardashians are a cancer.  But making the magnitude they have out of your Dad representing a murdering piece of crap, screwing a marginally famous person and the tape, whoops, getting out, and having a huge back porch, is utterly amazing.

I actually think this law school thing is one of her few huge misteps. There's no way this wasn't always going to go south. Her failures actually seem to indicate maybe her desire to be a lawyer is actually real, because it certainly wasn't needed as a crappy plot point on that icky show.  Caitlyn Jenner is taking care of giving them more than enough material now. Kim failing is off-brand.

For the first time in awhile I'm marginally sorry for her.  Marginally.  She's still richer than a Rockefeller.  Actually I was sorry for her having to put up with Kanye. All the money involved, but it couldn't have been worth it to actually have to listen to that farkhole every morning.
 
2021-06-11 1:01:07 PM  

amb: I looked into what the Baby Bar test is when I heard about it. It has a very high failure rate, but really it is designed to see with your self directed education, or your law school program that isn't recognized by the CA Bar, that you are learning what you would have in the first year of law school. Something like 20-25% will pass, and bad news for Kim, people that retake it continue to fail at a very high rate (like 10-15% will pass on the retry).

Baby Bar is kind of like if we made home schoolers take a standardized test to see that they are getting and learning the state's curriculum.


a high failure rate doesn't mean the test is hard.  i could be that a bunch of wealthy, self-important morons think they can be lawyers because they think is just about verbose courtroom speeches and they lack any real ability or intelligence.
 
2021-06-11 1:03:05 PM  
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2021-06-11 1:08:50 PM  

AnotherBluesStringer: I'm kinda conflicted on these people. Don't get me wrong, the whole family is full of vapid pieces of shiat, who are just awful people. But they built an empire from the tiniest amount of name recognition a person can have. They realized people would buy what they had to sell, and made a brand that's a household name after it. And sure, Kim is a media-grabbing asshole who is probably only in law school for attention and Instagram likes, but I also don't really like knocking people who are trying to learn, better themselves, or becoming a contributing aspect to society. 

I guess it's a wash.


hopefully one day she will use her name recognition to gain support for Project Innocence scenarios. at least i hope so. we'll see.
 
2021-06-11 1:17:28 PM  
Far be it from to take up for a Kardashian but it's my understanding that the "baby bar" is intentionally difficult (in 2019 something like 19% passed it) to discourage people from trying to shortcut their way into the legal profession.
 
2021-06-11 1:22:28 PM  

amb: I looked into what the Baby Bar test is when I heard about it. It has a very high failure rate, but really it is designed to see with your self directed education, or your law school program that isn't recognized by the CA Bar, that you are learning what you would have in the first year of law school. Something like 20-25% will pass, and bad news for Kim, people that retake it continue to fail at a very high rate (like 10-15% will pass on the retry).

Baby Bar is kind of like if we made home schoolers take a standardized test to see that they are getting and learning the state's curriculum.


As a product of public and private education, I am certified to give standardized tests. I homeschooled my oldest for 2 years. She passed with her highest scores ever (throughout her life) mainly because she was allowed to work at her own pass and flew through certain subjects. I put her back in school when her mom couldn't help anymore.

Home schooling is not all bad. The community was a bunch of religious nutters, but hey just because they love it doesn't mean it's all bad. It works really well if the teacher is educated.
 
2021-06-11 1:33:41 PM  

Sgt Otter: drewogatory: I have zero time for Kardashians, but are we mocking people for trying to learn now? That seems uncool.

She didn't even finish a Bachelor's degree, much less graduate law school.

She's just trying to a grind the Bar Exam like it's a video game boss.


I would have gone with "men until she found a sugar daddy"
 
2021-06-11 1:56:45 PM  

drewogatory: I have zero time for Kardashians, but are we mocking people for trying to learn now? That seems uncool.


I figured it was so she could be Kanye's First Lady and they would reasonably claim to understand law. Which is more effort than any of the Orange children put into it, so good on her.
 
2021-06-11 1:57:16 PM  

Drearyx: covfefe: scotchcrotch: drewogatory: I have zero time for Kardashians, but are we mocking people for trying to learn now? That seems uncool.

No, we're mocking attention whores who sell information like this to the public for a quick buck.

If Joe Schmo failed the Bar in private, it'd be inappropriate.  But this is just more product the Kardashians are selling.  Every aspect of their lives is for sale, so we're mocking the lowest hanging fruit.

I have zero empathy for anyone in that family.

It's impossible to tell what is real here. She is selling some kind of professional bimbo lifestyle thing, feeding the meaningless low gossip rags. The story that she failed her law exam again is so perfectlybalanced on the knife edge between "pay attention to me as a victim" and "pay attention to me as a hero" it's impossible to take without a huge grain of salt. It should really be ignored, but for our own benefit, not for hers.

.... Y'all are special.


Thank you!
 
2021-06-11 2:15:19 PM  

Bungles: SirEattonHogg: So this is sort of the reason why people pay to go to regular accredited law schools.

It all sounds nice the idea in theory that one doesn't have to pay for admittedly overpriced tuition, do full time sitting in classes and studying outside of class... and instead just work as an intern in a law firm and learn real world practical stuff.

Certainly every law school student in a state that has the option of doing an apprenticeship instead of attending law school has thought about the appeal of this.  But reality is the bar exam (including California's "baby bar") test a lot of stuff that is only really taught in law school.  Largely useless stuff that most lawyers do a memory dump of the minute they get a letter saying they passed the bar and can practice.  But there you have it.

Weirdly though, the highest pass rate seems to be in the cohort of unaccredited distance learners.


Probably international students. Many of them may already have a law degree from their own country and so don't feel the need to pay full tuition to an in-person law school in the US.
 
amb
2021-06-11 2:16:10 PM  

tom baker's scarf: amb: I looked into what the Baby Bar test is when I heard about it. It has a very high failure rate, but really it is designed to see with your self directed education, or your law school program that isn't recognized by the CA Bar, that you are learning what you would have in the first year of law school. Something like 20-25% will pass, and bad news for Kim, people that retake it continue to fail at a very high rate (like 10-15% will pass on the retry).

Baby Bar is kind of like if we made home schoolers take a standardized test to see that they are getting and learning the state's curriculum.

a high failure rate doesn't mean the test is hard.  i could be that a bunch of wealthy, self-important morons think they can be lawyers because they think is just about verbose courtroom speeches and they lack any real ability or intelligence.


I think the difficulty is in indepedently learning what an accredited law school teaches. Not having the structure and responsibility to produce regular work and have feedback, assessments, and the practice. Interesting in the numbers that the students in at least some kind of school/education program pass at a higher rate than the other tracks.

Now the regular state bar exams, some states set a limit on the pass rate. In "My Cousin Vinnie", he took the bar exam 6 times. Maybe he scored the same or similarly each time, but it wasn't until the 6th that he was in the percentile that passes. When my sister took the bar exam, he testing site didn't have enough computers working, so a portion of the students had to do the test the old fashioned way on paper. She was pretty peeved about not being able to edit her essays without having to rewrite them in longhand. She passed. I wonder though if the paper test takers passed at the same rate as those who were able to use the computers.
 
2021-06-11 2:19:26 PM  

Bungles: SirEattonHogg: So this is sort of the reason why people pay to go to regular accredited law schools.

It all sounds nice the idea in theory that one doesn't have to pay for admittedly overpriced tuition, do full time sitting in classes and studying outside of class... and instead just work as an intern in a law firm and learn real world practical stuff.

Certainly every law school student in a state that has the option of doing an apprenticeship instead of attending law school has thought about the appeal of this.  But reality is the bar exam (including California's "baby bar") test a lot of stuff that is only really taught in law school.  Largely useless stuff that most lawyers do a memory dump of the minute they get a letter saying they passed the bar and can practice.  But there you have it.

Weirdly though, the highest pass rate seems to be in the cohort of unaccredited distance learners.


The point is they studied which I suspect Ms. Kardashian didn't.
 
amb
2021-06-11 2:22:21 PM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: amb: I looked into what the Baby Bar test is when I heard about it. It has a very high failure rate, but really it is designed to see with your self directed education, or your law school program that isn't recognized by the CA Bar, that you are learning what you would have in the first year of law school. Something like 20-25% will pass, and bad news for Kim, people that retake it continue to fail at a very high rate (like 10-15% will pass on the retry).

Baby Bar is kind of like if we made home schoolers take a standardized test to see that they are getting and learning the state's curriculum.

As a product of public and private education, I am certified to give standardized tests. I homeschooled my oldest for 2 years. She passed with her highest scores ever (throughout her life) mainly because she was allowed to work at her own pass and flew through certain subjects. I put her back in school when her mom couldn't help anymore.

Home schooling is not all bad. The community was a bunch of religious nutters, but hey just because they love it doesn't mean it's all bad. It works really well if the teacher is educated.


There are many examples of well educated home schoolers. It is just too often you hear about the nutters. Also, from this last year, one thing I know is if I had to home school my daughter, I couldn't also work full time.

One example of a person well educated through home schooling is Felicia Day. She was mostly home schooled until university. I can't remember the interview or podcast where I heard her talk about it. Maybe on Smodcast.
 
2021-06-11 2:29:58 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: drewogatory: I have zero time for Kardashians, but are we mocking people for trying to learn now? That seems uncool.

I figured it was so she could be Kanye's First Lady and they would reasonably claim to understand law. Which is more effort than any of the Orange children put into it, so good on her.


Are you suggesting Ivanka doesn't know how to science?

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2021-06-11 2:38:32 PM  

sinko swimo: AnotherBluesStringer: I'm kinda conflicted on these people. Don't get me wrong, the whole family is full of vapid pieces of shiat, who are just awful people. But they built an empire from the tiniest amount of name recognition a person can have. They realized people would buy what they had to sell, and made a brand that's a household name after it. And sure, Kim is a media-grabbing asshole who is probably only in law school for attention and Instagram likes, but I also don't really like knocking people who are trying to learn, better themselves, or becoming a contributing aspect to society. 

I guess it's a wash.

hopefully one day she will use her name recognition to gain support for Project Innocence scenarios. at least i hope so. we'll see.


She's already done that. I don't care if she's only doing it to further her brand, she's actually helping people. She gets a pass from me on this topic, and I'm not going to mock her for failing a test with a high failure rate.
 
2021-06-11 2:40:45 PM  

Sgt Otter: drewogatory: I have zero time for Kardashians, but are we mocking people for trying to learn now? That seems uncool.

She didn't even finish a Bachelor's degree, much less graduate law school.

She's just trying to a grind the Bar Exam like it's a video game boss.


This is a FAMILY establishment!  We do NOT allow grinding HERE!
(gets note from gamer)
Well, STILL.
 
2021-06-11 3:18:00 PM  

Bungles: There is no shame in not passing it first time, 80% don't. It absolutely does not mean she is stupid.


Doesn't mean that she isn't.
 
2021-06-11 3:22:10 PM  

covfefe: : drewogatory:
If Joe Schmo failed the Bar in private, it'd be inappropriate.  But this is just more product the Kardashians are selling.  Every aspect of their lives is for sale, so we're mocking the lowest hanging fruit.
I have zero empathy for anyone in that family.
It's impossible to tell what is real here. She is selling some kind of professional bimbo lifestyle thing, feeding the meaningless low gossip rags. The story that she failed her law exam again is so perfectlybalanced on the knife edge between "pay attention to me as a victim" and "pay attention to me as a hero" it's impossible to take without a huge grain of salt. It should really be ignored, but for our own benefit, not for hers.


They're influencers.  There's no lower form of life on earth.
biatch is selling herself as some kind of social justice warrior, and she didn't even go to law school.

She can be any farking thing she wants, she's rich enough.  She should have thought of that before she turned herself into a media whore for 20 years.
Now you want respect?  Break out another porno.  You know how the game works.
 
2021-06-11 3:27:10 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Bungles: There is no shame in not passing it first time, 80% don't. It absolutely does not mean she is stupid.

Doesn't mean that she isn't.


I think she's long past proved she's not stupid.

Now "annoying" and "bad for our society" are totally different questions.
 
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