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2021-06-11 8:49:51 AM  
There we go. Parties working together to get things fixed. Who on Fark wouldn't support that? 🙄
 
2021-06-11 9:11:08 AM  
It won't really be infrastructure week until the wealthy are made to pay for the infrastructure they used to get rich.
 
2021-06-11 10:16:24 AM  
The plan will be paid for without tax hikes.

HOW?
 
2021-06-11 10:34:23 AM  

GardenWeasel: The plan will be paid for without tax hikes.

HOW?


Money pinters go Brrrrrrr?
 
2021-06-11 10:35:28 AM  

GardenWeasel: The plan will be paid for without tax hikes.

HOW?



You know how...
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2021-06-11 10:35:53 AM  
It must mean something big is about to drop. I bet it will be Sunday at 730pm
 
2021-06-11 10:36:09 AM  

tfresh: There we go. Parties working together to get things fixed. Who on Fark wouldn't support that? 🙄


People who read the article.
 
2021-06-11 10:36:22 AM  
Huh, bipartisan must mean something different now because that looks like a group of republicans negotiating with themselves.
 
2021-06-11 10:37:17 AM  

GardenWeasel: The plan will be paid for without tax hikes.

HOW?


Congress reached out to some payday lenders. So don't worry about it.
 
2021-06-11 10:37:49 AM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: tfresh: There we go. Parties working together to get things fixed. Who on Fark wouldn't support that? 🙄

People who read the article.


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2021-06-11 10:37:51 AM  

GardenWeasel: The plan will be paid for without tax hikes.

HOW?


Spending cuts of course.

And I'm not talking about military spending.

I'm talking about things that help poor people meet their basic needs.
 
2021-06-11 10:38:35 AM  
So basically both Republicans and Democrats have finally added enough pork to the bill to buy everyone's vote and now billions of dollars will now go into the hands of innumerable Cousin Vinney's out there to start a plethora of long overdue infrastructure projects which will all somehow become bogged down within one month of starting, followed by the hand waving of many politicians about temporary delays while the crews all pack up and leave, never to be seen again, the money vanishes into the Bahamas and by 2022 we're back to wondering why our roads are still a disaster area and our bridges keep falling down.

Did I miss anything?
 
2021-06-11 10:39:46 AM  
Did 5 suddenly become 20? Did McConnell suddenly become a not colossal prick hell bent on stopping anything that might in any way be seen as a Democratic win?

Then no, this means nothing.
 
2021-06-11 10:40:28 AM  

NephilimNexus: So basically both Republicans and Democrats have finally added enough pork to the bill to buy everyone's vote and now billions of dollars will now go into the hands of innumerable Cousin Vinney's out there to start a plethora of long overdue infrastructure projects which will all somehow become bogged down within one month of starting, followed by the hand waving of many politicians about temporary delays while the crews all pack up and leave, never to be seen again, the money vanishes into the Bahamas and by 2022 we're back to wondering why our roads are still a disaster area and our bridges keep falling down.

Did I miss anything?


Yes, the "Democrats" involved in the negotiations are the same democrats who were eager to kill the minimum wage increase... that should give you some indication on how "bipartisan" and "paid for" these negotiations were.
 
2021-06-11 10:40:42 AM  

nmrsnr: Did 5 suddenly become 20?


Whoops, meant 10
 
2021-06-11 10:41:11 AM  

tfresh: There we go. Parties working together to get things fixed. Who on Fark wouldn't support that? 🙄


A farking selfish used car salesman rich capitalist looking out for number 1 and his taxes.
 
2021-06-11 10:41:27 AM  
The plan will be paid for without tax hikes.
Many of the specific details still need to be ironed out.


There is no way for the human body to make a jack-off motion large enough to properly express this.
 
2021-06-11 10:41:31 AM  
"...bipartisan bill...!"

*opens preview to see a photo of Susan Collins, Joe Manchin and Mitt Romney*

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2021-06-11 10:41:33 AM  

Miss5280: It won't really be infrastructure week until the wealthy are made to pay for the infrastructure they used to get rich.


Thank you

Thread over
 
2021-06-11 10:41:46 AM  

GardenWeasel: The plan will be paid for without tax hikes.

HOW?


by burrowing it against middle class payback of course.
 
2021-06-11 10:41:58 AM  
It will be paid for by magic because we couldn't possibly consider raising rich people's taxes.
 
2021-06-11 10:42:03 AM  
This investment would be fully paid for and not include tax increases," the senators said in a joint statement.

Mmhmm

I wonder which Democratic priorities they've defunded to get the stamp of bipartisanship?

It hardly matters because when it comes time to vote, the republicans will still vote against this and hint that they can be brought back to the table, they just need more time to negotiate. Should be ready to go some time after the midterms.
 
2021-06-11 10:45:43 AM  

Squid_for_Brains: "...bipartisan bill...!"

*opens preview to see a photo of Susan Collins, Joe Manchin and Mitt Romney*

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My objection isn't the republicans they included, let's face it the ones included in negotiations are probably the most sane or "concerned" republicans you can negotiate with. My issue is the team of democrats that were there to negotiate with them. They essentially started at a republicans position and made a few minor tweaks. This "bipartisan" group would probably agree to pass voting restriction laws that mirror those passed in red states over the last 6 months.
 
2021-06-11 10:46:44 AM  
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2021-06-11 10:47:23 AM  

GardenWeasel: The plan will be paid for without tax hikes.

HOW?


FTA:
$1.2 trillion of spending over eight years
$974 billion spent over the first five years
The plan calls for $579 billion dollars of new spending.
...raising the gas tax subject to inflation


More than half the money won't be spent (or need to be raised) until after Biden is out of office.

Less than half of it is new spending, so more than half is merely rearranging deck chairs on an already paid-for yacht.

Gas tax.

Which is why Dem legislators are already saying no.
 
2021-06-11 10:47:38 AM  
It's going to be paid for by raising the gas tax, which is something that probably needs to be done regardless, but if they're dumb enough to pass this Republicans will be screaming from the mountaintops that Biden broke his promises and raised taxes on the middle class.
 
2021-06-11 10:49:26 AM  

starwolf256: The plan will be paid for without tax hikes.
Many of the specific details still need to be ironed out.

There is no way for the human body to make a jack-off motion large enough to properly express this.


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2021-06-11 10:57:03 AM  
Anyway, not surprising, Republicans LOVE deficit spending (see TRUMP), and they want to portray the Dems as big deficit spenders. This way they get both, and it is all the Dems fault even though they proposed and voted for it.
 
2021-06-11 11:03:01 AM  
If this makes it to a vote, watch the 5 Republicans vote against it.
 
2021-06-11 11:04:37 AM  
I know the article says it's 5 Republicans and 5 Democrats, but, really, it's 5 Republicans, 2 Fark Independents, and 3 Democrats
 
2021-06-11 11:05:26 AM  
Shocking - ain't it?


Once you have a party actually interested in constructive governance (see what I did there?), laws actually get passed and life improves.
But we shouldn't get too used to it. The party of "no" will be back at the controls soon enough...

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2021-06-11 11:08:48 AM  

nmrsnr: Did 5 suddenly become 20? Did McConnell suddenly become a not colossal prick hell bent on stopping anything that might in any way be seen as a Democratic win?

Then no, this means nothing.


Very much this.

Wake me up when the 10th Republican yes materializes for anything Biden wants.
 
2021-06-11 11:09:50 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: GardenWeasel: The plan will be paid for without tax hikes.

HOW?

FTA:
$1.2 trillion of spending over eight years
$974 billion spent over the first five years
The plan calls for $579 billion dollars of new spending.
...raising the gas tax subject to inflation

More than half the money won't be spent (or need to be raised) until after Biden is out of office.

Less than half of it is new spending, so more than half is merely rearranging deck chairs on an already paid-for yacht.

Gas tax.

Which is why Dem legislators are already saying no.


As they should.  I'm glad these senators worked so hard to fark over lower and middle class Americans with this thing by making sure that the bill is completely watered down, the rich won't have to pay taxes, we increase the regressive gas tax, we grab a bunch of the money set aside for COVID, and who knows how else they plan on paying for this.  

Also, the main "Democratic" negotiators on this were Manchin and Sinema, so once again Democrats aren't meeting in the middle, they are being pulled way to the right of what they should be compromising on.
 
2021-06-11 11:10:39 AM  
is there at least a line-item about Captain Marvel?
 
2021-06-11 11:20:20 AM  

saywhonow: It must mean something big is about to drop. I bet it will be Sunday at 730pm


The only thing dropping here is a bipartisan turd like usual.
 
2021-06-11 11:26:12 AM  
It's a "bipartisan deal" in that 5 Rs and 5 Ds came up with it.  I fully expect the rest of the Republicans to try to insert some unrelated poison-pill provision about abortion or border wall funding so they have an excuse to filibuster it.
 
2021-06-11 11:27:39 AM  
McConnell will kill it and blame democrats.
 
2021-06-11 11:41:51 AM  

nmrsnr: nmrsnr: Did 5 suddenly become 20?

Whoops, meant 10


Nah, they made need twenty after losing the progressives
 
2021-06-11 11:43:41 AM  
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2021-06-11 11:50:54 AM  
Wake me up when something worthwhile passes. Until then it's all just pantomime.
 
2021-06-11 12:07:14 PM  
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2021-06-11 12:12:46 PM  
Let's see who is on the panel:

Democrats:

Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire
Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona
Sen. Jon Tester of Montana
Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia

Republicans:

Sen. Bill Cassidy of Louisiana
Sen. Susan Collins of Maine
Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio
Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah

Wow, that is literally the 10 most moderate/centrist Senators.  Which is a problem, because you need to pick up five more Republicans, and all of them will be less moderate/centrist and probably much less willing to compromise.
 
2021-06-11 12:14:04 PM  

Geotpf: Let's see who is on the panel:

Democrats:

Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire
Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona
Sen. Jon Tester of Montana
Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia

Republicans:

Sen. Bill Cassidy of Louisiana
Sen. Susan Collins of Maine
Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio
Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah

Wow, that is literally the 10 most moderate/centrist Senators.  Which is a problem, because you need to pick up five more Republicans, and all of them will be less moderate/centrist and probably much less willing to compromise.


You're assuming the Democrats are just going to fall in line over any spending plan and just vote yes?
 
2021-06-11 12:15:21 PM  
My 2 asshole D Senators will vote yes for it because that's what Coons and Carper do. Jesus christ they are the worst
 
2021-06-11 12:16:17 PM  
The fact that this passed in the absence of the earmark system is legitimately remarkable.  That's how borked things are everywhere, that you can "bring home the bacon" just by generally promising that some of this money will fix some of the borked shiat in their state eventually.
 
2021-06-11 12:18:29 PM  

eagles95: My 2 asshole D Senators will vote yes for it because that's what Coons and Carper do. Jesus christ they are the worst


Imagine feeling this way.
 
2021-06-11 12:27:31 PM  

Scythed: It's going to be paid for by raising the gas tax, which is something that probably needs to be done regardless, but if they're dumb enough to pass this Republicans will be screaming from the mountaintops that Biden broke his promises and raised taxes on the middle class.


Are they tripling the gas tax? I doubt it, so it won't be enough. It's currently 18.4 cents for gasoline and 24.4 cents for diesel.  A couple years ago, the CBO estimated the impact on revenue for each penny of fuel tax increase over the next ten years. It comes out to roughly $1.75 billion per penny per year.

The proposed legislation has $579 billion in new spending over eight years. That's $72.375 billion a year. $1.75 billion per penny. So... we just need to raise gas and desiel taxes by 41.3 cents. I'm sure that'll go over well. Oh, and that assumes that increasing the tax by that much won't lower the amount of fuel people use. It will. So it'll have to be raised by even more.
 
2021-06-11 12:58:01 PM  

tfresh: Geotpf: Let's see who is on the panel:

Democrats:

Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire
Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona
Sen. Jon Tester of Montana
Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia

Republicans:

Sen. Bill Cassidy of Louisiana
Sen. Susan Collins of Maine
Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio
Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah

Wow, that is literally the 10 most moderate/centrist Senators.  Which is a problem, because you need to pick up five more Republicans, and all of them will be less moderate/centrist and probably much less willing to compromise.

You're assuming the Democrats are just going to fall in line over any spending plan and just vote yes?


Yup.

See, in general, and this bill specifically, Democrats want stuff and Republicans want to block stuff.

So, any amount of stuff for most Democrats is better than nothing, which is what you will get with a no vote.

Now, I'm assuming there will be no actual poison pills here, but all but the weakest of those would have been rejected by the five moderate Democrats, so I think that's a good assumption.
 
2021-06-11 12:59:27 PM  
They want to pay for it by stealing the money allocated for coronavirus relief and then add gas taxes and tolls on the working class. They will call them user fees.
 
2021-06-11 1:00:30 PM  

patrick767: Scythed: It's going to be paid for by raising the gas tax, which is something that probably needs to be done regardless, but if they're dumb enough to pass this Republicans will be screaming from the mountaintops that Biden broke his promises and raised taxes on the middle class.

Are they tripling the gas tax? I doubt it, so it won't be enough. It's currently 18.4 cents for gasoline and 24.4 cents for diesel.  A couple years ago, the CBO estimated the impact on revenue for each penny of fuel tax increase over the next ten years. It comes out to roughly $1.75 billion per penny per year.

The proposed legislation has $579 billion in new spending over eight years. That's $72.375 billion a year. $1.75 billion per penny. So... we just need to raise gas and desiel taxes by 41.3 cents. I'm sure that'll go over well. Oh, and that assumes that increasing the tax by that much won't lower the amount of fuel people use. It will. So it'll have to be raised by even more.


Biden will veto any increase in the gas tax (and Congress knows this and will not put it in any bill).

He has sworn up and down he will not increase taxes on people making less than $400k a year.

People who make less than $400k a year frequently drive gas powered vehicles.

Therefore, any increase in the gas tax would break that pledge.
 
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