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2021-06-11 7:25:03 AM  
For a couple so adamant about privacy, they seem to thrive on attention
 
2021-06-11 7:34:44 AM  
In any other family, a couple naming their child in honor of their great grandmother would be considered wonderful.
 
2021-06-11 7:39:05 AM  

Ambivalence: In any other family, a couple naming their child in honor of their great grandmother would be considered wonderful.


The Windsors are not a family.  They are a firm/business.
 
2021-06-11 8:09:20 AM  

Ambivalence: In any other family, a couple naming their child in honor of their great grandmother would be considered wonderful.


Actual name sure, but I don't think you are ever meant to name the child with their great grandmother's (or anyone's) nickname.
 
2021-06-11 8:23:22 AM  

Nidiot: Ambivalence: In any other family, a couple naming their child in honor of their great grandmother would be considered wonderful.

Actual name sure, but I don't think you are ever meant to name the child with their great grandmother's (or anyone's) nickname.


Why not?  Is there some Royalty rule about naming traditions?
 
2021-06-11 8:28:50 AM  
The fact that the Queen has now officially sided with the BBC does rather suggest Harry and Meghan's claim that she gave her blessing is somewhat economical with the truth.

If Harry hates the family and the way he was treated so much why would he want to name his own kid after the matriarch of that family?
 
2021-06-11 8:38:03 AM  

raerae1980: Nidiot: Ambivalence: In any other family, a couple naming their child in honor of their great grandmother would be considered wonderful.

Actual name sure, but I don't think you are ever meant to name the child with their great grandmother's (or anyone's) nickname.

Why not?  Is there some Royalty rule about naming traditions?


The issue here is Harry and his semi-official spokesman, the bloke who wrote their book, said the Queen had given her blessing. The Queen is now publicly backing the BBC who said she had not given her blessing.
If true then Harry lied.

Just like he lied about Archie being denied a Prince title, being denied security by the family, being married two days before the public ceremony, not telling Meghan she'd have to curtsey to the Queen, the lie about Meghan's passport being "taken away", not being able to get mental health care etc etc.
 
2021-06-11 8:45:25 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: raerae1980: Nidiot: Ambivalence: In any other family, a couple naming their child in honor of their great grandmother would be considered wonderful.

Actual name sure, but I don't think you are ever meant to name the child with their great grandmother's (or anyone's) nickname.

Why not?  Is there some Royalty rule about naming traditions?

The issue here is Harry and his semi-official spokesman, the bloke who wrote their book, said the Queen had given her blessing. The Queen is now publicly backing the BBC who said she had not given her blessing.
If true then Harry lied.

Just like he lied about Archie being denied a Prince title, being denied security by the family, being married two days before the public ceremony, not telling Meghan she'd have to curtsey to the Queen, the lie about Meghan's passport being "taken away", not being able to get mental health care etc etc.


What book?   There was a book written about this already?  And Harry doesnt have an official spokesperson?
 
2021-06-11 9:23:58 AM  
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2021-06-11 9:29:35 AM  
They copyrighted the name and registered domains using it.

This was about money and a dig at the Royals and Queen especially.

All because they wouldn't allow her to wear the tiara Diana wore.

Bet she's convinced him the Queen had his mother killed.
 
2021-06-11 9:30:08 AM  
Anyone know a way past that paywall?
 
2021-06-11 9:33:36 AM  
The Queen doesn't give opinions on anything. I imagine the conversation went something like this:

"We're going to name the babby after you grandmum!"
"Oh. I see."
"So I hope you're okay with that...?"
"How is the weather in America? It's been so dreadful here."

Technically she didn't say no, so that must mean she approved.
 
2021-06-11 9:37:28 AM  

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What I don't understand is that tons of people DO seem to care!

I don't care what you like, whether it's movies, or alcohol, or the royal family (shrug).
But I just don't understand fascination with the royal family.
Maybe if you're British, sure, but as an American, I just simply don't understand it, but whatever!
 
2021-06-11 9:51:15 AM  

Shaggy_C: The Queen doesn't give opinions on anything. I imagine the conversation went something like this:

"We're going to name the babby after you grandmum!"
"Oh. I see."
"So I hope you're okay with that...?"
"How is the weather in America? It's been so dreadful here."

Technically she didn't say no, so that must mean she approved.


Wait.  People are actually wasting time because they probably talked to a really old woman and she probably doesn't remember the conversation?  Really?   Come on.

As for whatever whatever with the BBC, again, she's super old. Her "people" probably responded back for her.  Or the guy with the big ears who seems to be at war with his son did.

I barely care, but certainly don't trust most of whatever comes out of that family, or the craven media in the UK. Everything is built up, interpreted, or both.
 
2021-06-11 9:54:22 AM  
Now for the usual suspects that'll tell us how Megan Markle is a manipulative harpy that's manipulating his simp of a husband

/Just leaving a comment for the notifications;
 
2021-06-11 10:05:34 AM  

padraig: Now for the usual suspects that'll tell us how Megan Markle is a manipulative harpy that's manipulating his simp of a husband

/Just leaving a comment for the notifications;


Meh, Megan's not a harpy, she's an actress. Well, briefcase model. Her job is being famous, or working toward being famous. She got that with her marriage and will now spend her time making sure they stay in the public eye. That's her career.

Harry's job was looking good in a uniform and opening supermarkets and such. It didn't fit in with her career. And since Harry has spent a lot of time demonstrating that he is absolutely, constitutionally incapable of thinking with anything other than his dick, she is going to be the brains of the operation. Is it any wonder their lives are focused on fame now?
 
2021-06-11 10:15:33 AM  

raerae1980: Carter Pewterschmidt: raerae1980: Nidiot: Ambivalence: In any other family, a couple naming their child in honor of their great grandmother would be considered wonderful.

Actual name sure, but I don't think you are ever meant to name the child with their great grandmother's (or anyone's) nickname.

Why not?  Is there some Royalty rule about naming traditions?

The issue here is Harry and his semi-official spokesman, the bloke who wrote their book, said the Queen had given her blessing. The Queen is now publicly backing the BBC who said she had not given her blessing.
If true then Harry lied.

Just like he lied about Archie being denied a Prince title, being denied security by the family, being married two days before the public ceremony, not telling Meghan she'd have to curtsey to the Queen, the lie about Meghan's passport being "taken away", not being able to get mental health care etc etc.

What book?   There was a book written about this already?  And Harry doesnt have an official spokesperson?


The book Omid Scobie wrote? That was supposed to be unofficial but had a lot of direct knowledge of Harry and Meghan's thoughts? The one Meghan denied helping?

And are you admitting that Harry did lie about Archies title? About his security? About Meghan's passport? About being denied mental health care?
 
2021-06-11 10:16:44 AM  
Babby's second name is "Bitteroldwoman."
 
2021-06-11 10:17:31 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: raerae1980: Carter Pewterschmidt: raerae1980: Nidiot: Ambivalence: In any other family, a couple naming their child in honor of their great grandmother would be considered wonderful.

Actual name sure, but I don't think you are ever meant to name the child with their great grandmother's (or anyone's) nickname.

Why not?  Is there some Royalty rule about naming traditions?

The issue here is Harry and his semi-official spokesman, the bloke who wrote their book, said the Queen had given her blessing. The Queen is now publicly backing the BBC who said she had not given her blessing.
If true then Harry lied.

Just like he lied about Archie being denied a Prince title, being denied security by the family, being married two days before the public ceremony, not telling Meghan she'd have to curtsey to the Queen, the lie about Meghan's passport being "taken away", not being able to get mental health care etc etc.

What book?   There was a book written about this already?  And Harry doesnt have an official spokesperson?

The book Omid Scobie wrote? That was supposed to be unofficial but had a lot of direct knowledge of Harry and Meghan's thoughts? The one Meghan denied helping?

And are you admitting that Harry did lie about Archies title? About his security? About Meghan's passport? About being denied mental health care?


I dont keep up with the Royals, thats why Im asking you these questions.   No idea there was a book written, so thanks for that info.
 
2021-06-11 10:19:45 AM  

Shaggy_C: The Queen doesn't give opinions on anything. I imagine the conversation went something like this:

"We're going to name the babby after you grandmum!"
"Oh. I see."
"So I hope you're okay with that...?"
"How is the weather in America? It's been so dreadful here."

Technically she didn't say no, so that must mean she approved.


Harry used the weasel word "supportive" rather than the more specific "approved". Supportive is a passive word more consistent with "We told her we're doing this and she didn't tell us we couldn't".

The fact that the official palace spokesperson is publicly backing the BBC makes this clear that that is their side of the story.
 
2021-06-11 10:22:02 AM  

Kris_Romm: Shaggy_C: The Queen doesn't give opinions on anything. I imagine the conversation went something like this:

"We're going to name the babby after you grandmum!"
"Oh. I see."
"So I hope you're okay with that...?"
"How is the weather in America? It's been so dreadful here."

Technically she didn't say no, so that must mean she approved.

Wait.  People are actually wasting time because they probably talked to a really old woman and she probably doesn't remember the conversation?  Really?   Come on.

As for whatever whatever with the BBC, again, she's super old. Her "people" probably responded back for her.  Or the guy with the big ears who seems to be at war with his son did.

I barely care, but certainly don't trust most of whatever comes out of that family, or the craven media in the UK. Everything is built up, interpreted, or both.


But everything Harry says must be the 100% gospel truth and utterly factual?

Remember, Harry is the one who has been already shown to have lied, again and again. About Archie's title, his security, their "private wedding", Meghan's passport, Meghan's healthcare etc.
 
2021-06-11 10:26:14 AM  

padraig: Now for the usual suspects that'll tell us how Megan Markle is a manipulative harpy that's manipulating his simp of a husband

/Just leaving a comment for the notifications;


Actually many articles called Meghan the sensible one and blame Harry. He, for example, is the one who would have known the rules laid down a hundred years ago would have meant Archie wouldn't be a prince, but he apparently didn't bother telling Meghan that.
He's the one who would have known Meghan would have to curtsey to the Queen, but didn't bother telling her that so that she only found out five minutes before meeting her and Fergie had to show her what to do.
He's the one who could have easily picked up the phone and got her an appointment for her mental health, but apparently didn't bother.

Meghan wouldn't know how the royal family works. Harry did, and yet clearly didn't bother telling his wife.
 
2021-06-11 10:29:46 AM  

raerae1980: I dont keep up with the Royals, thats why Im asking you these questions.   No idea there was a book written, so thanks for that info.


My apologies. It was a huge deal on Fark so I assumed everyone knew.
 
2021-06-11 10:30:04 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: If Harry hates the family and the way he was treated so much why would he want to name his own kid after the matriarch of that family?


Why, to win her blessing, of course.

How many blessings?

About twenty-eight billion blessings.
 
2021-06-11 10:42:58 AM  

Rent Party: Babby's second name is "Bitteroldwoman."


I've increasingly gotten the impression that Chuckie is the bitter one (and probably responsible for a lot of this nonsense). I mean he's waited forever for the old cow to die, and she just won't, and now it's been SO long what he's been waiting for is all Farked up and not as useful/fun/whatever.
 
2021-06-11 10:49:55 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Kris_Romm: Shaggy_C: The Queen doesn't give opinions on anything. I imagine the conversation went something like this:

"We're going to name the babby after you grandmum!"
"Oh. I see."
"So I hope you're okay with that...?"
"How is the weather in America? It's been so dreadful here."

Technically she didn't say no, so that must mean she approved.

Wait.  People are actually wasting time because they probably talked to a really old woman and she probably doesn't remember the conversation?  Really?   Come on.

As for whatever whatever with the BBC, again, she's super old. Her "people" probably responded back for her.  Or the guy with the big ears who seems to be at war with his son did.

I barely care, but certainly don't trust most of whatever comes out of that family, or the craven media in the UK. Everything is built up, interpreted, or both.

But everything Harry says must be the 100% gospel truth and utterly factual?

Remember, Harry is the one who has been already shown to have lied, again and again. About Archie's title, his security, their "private wedding", Meghan's passport, Meghan's healthcare etc.


You're very invested.

I will say, most of the things you're claiming he's lying about appear to be off the cuff or conditional statements who's importance were elevated more in endless hysterical retellings.  I mean seriously.  What thought process is attached towards thinking mischaracterizing a private meeting before the ceremony is some grand strategic thing?  At worst, it's a mangled anecdote.
 
2021-06-11 11:02:06 AM  

Kris_Romm: Rent Party: Babby's second name is "Bitteroldwoman."

I've increasingly gotten the impression that Chuckie is the bitter one (and probably responsible for a lot of this nonsense). I mean he's waited forever for the old cow to die, and she just won't, and now it's been SO long what he's been waiting for is all Farked up and not as useful/fun/whatever.


"I didn't want to be king anyway.  It's stupid.  STUPID!!!!"

/ It is stupid.
 
2021-06-11 11:37:15 AM  

TuckFrump: For a couple so adamant about privacy, they seem to thrive on attention


No shiat.  Before them, hearing about the Royals was a monthly sigh-inducing event.  Now it seems like it's every farking day.
 
2021-06-11 11:45:48 AM  

FLMountainMan: TuckFrump: For a couple so adamant about privacy, they seem to thrive on attention

No shiat.  Before them, hearing about the Royals was a monthly sigh-inducing event.  Now it seems like it's every farking day.


Realistically it was always a daily thing in the UK and even other Commonwealth countries. It avoided the US market because it didn't have a (pardon the phrase) dog in the race.
 
2021-06-11 12:03:36 PM  
I'd farking hate if I had to live my life in public.
 
2021-06-11 12:28:47 PM  
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Good looking woman. I wonder at what point she's going to say "fu*k it, I'm outta here",
leaving Prince Ginge to grovel back to his royal family.
 
2021-06-11 12:32:37 PM  
Did an actual human write this headline? Or did AdBot 2000? This is so stupid. Fark sucks.
 
2021-06-11 12:53:33 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: The Queen is now publicly backing the BBC who said she had not given her blessing.


That's not true. She simply is refusing to comment on the BBC article. That's not uncommon that the Queen is trying to stay out of a tabloid story. It's not backing the BBC, just keeping private stuff private.
 
2021-06-11 1:17:24 PM  

Rann Xerox: Ambivalence: In any other family, a couple naming their child in honor of their great grandmother would be considered wonderful.

The Windsors are not a family.  They are a firm/business.


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2021-06-11 1:42:27 PM  
I thought that said Harry and Meghan were in the Royal Rumble...

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Sure.  Why TF not at this point.
 
2021-06-11 3:22:23 PM  
You know the Royal Family has all these weird rules for how they have to act at all times, and they believe they are essential.  Ironically, when they actually mattered to the world, they didn't have to bother with any of them.   All the pomp, and intense focus on never letting down the façade of royalty, is just a big giant act to try to convince the British people they are still somehow important.  

It's kind of like religion, has no real place in the world, but makes a lot of noise about how important it is, and works like hell to put on a show, so you just accept that it is a part of life that is never going away.
 
2021-06-11 4:07:15 PM  

Trik: Anyone know a way past that paywall?


Money
 
2021-06-11 4:08:20 PM  

winedrinkingman: You know the Royal Family has all these weird rules for how they have to act at all times, and they believe they are essential.  Ironically, when they actually mattered to the world, they didn't have to bother with any of them.   All the pomp, and intense focus on never letting down the façade of royalty, is just a big giant act to try to convince the British people they are still somehow important.

It's kind of like religion, has no real place in the world, but makes a lot of noise about how important it is, and works like hell to put on a show, so you just accept that it is a part of life that is never going away.


As I understand it, much of the present-day image of the Royal Family dates to the early 20th century, when they saw what the Bolsheviks did to the Czar of Russia and his family, and engaged in a massive PR campaign to try to ensure the same thing would never happen in the U.K.
 
2021-06-11 4:31:44 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [Fark user image 640x361]

Good looking woman. I wonder at what point she's going to say "fu*k it, I'm outta here",
leaving Prince Ginge to grovel back to his royal family.


I'm doing all I can to entice her with obscurity, disappointment and poverty.
 
2021-06-11 4:43:00 PM  
They sure love their dear old queen


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2021-06-11 4:55:55 PM  

Odd Bird: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [Fark user image 640x361]

Good looking woman. I wonder at what point she's going to say "fu*k it, I'm outta here",
leaving Prince Ginge to grovel back to his royal family.

I'm doing all I can to entice her with obscurity, disappointment and poverty.


Didn't work for me. Maybe you'll have better luck.
 
2021-06-11 5:00:12 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [Fark user image image 640x361]

Good looking woman. I wonder at what point she's going to say "fu*k it, I'm outta here",
leaving Prince Ginge to grovel back to his royal family.


Like the pre-death version of Abe Vigoda, you are a man of good taste and distinction.   I know zero about her acting career, and have been all over the place on if I think certain things she's said are smart or not, but she is indeed a good looking woman.
 
2021-06-11 6:15:06 PM  

Kris_Romm: You're very invested.


No more than anyone else who posts in these threads insisting the UK is racist, everyone hates Meghan etc.

Kris_Romm: I will say, most of the things you're claiming he's lying about appear to be off the cuff or conditional statements who's importance were elevated more in endless hysterical retellings.  I mean seriously.  What thought process is attached towards thinking mischaracterizing a private meeting before the ceremony is some grand strategic thing?  At worst, it's a mangled anecdote.


Because they explicitly said they "got married" days before the public ceremony. That's not a slip of the tongue. That's a lie.

Blaming racism on Archie not getting a title? That's a lie. Blaming the family for him not getting security? That's a lie. Meghan saying her passport was "taken away and I didn't see it again until we quit"? That's a lie.
Meghan saying she didn't find out she'd have to curtsey to the Queen until five minutes before meeting her? Why didn't she blame Harry for that? What kind of idiot wouldn't  talk to his wife and tell her these things? Harry was apparently happy for her to walk in and embarrass herself because he didn't bother warning her.
Meghan claiming she was somehow prevented from getting mental health care? So what exactly stopped Harry, or Meghan herself, making a phone call? Lots of people have mental health worries, and they pick up the phone and make an appointment. So who exactly prevented Meghan from making such a call, and how? This isn't a Disney movie where the evil Queen keeps them locked up in the tower.

What you're doing her is taking comments she said and taking them as gospel truth when you want to believe them and when they're proved false suddenly saying "Well it was no big deal, she just misspoke....."
 
2021-06-11 6:22:44 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [Fark user image 640x361]

Good looking woman. I wonder at what point she's going to say "fu*k it, I'm outta here",
leaving Prince Ginge to grovel back to his royal family.


She's gorgeous, and Harry lucked out there, though I suppose being a multi millionaire Prince probably helped...
But the talk in the early days was that she was ideal because, unlike Diana, she already knew how to deal with publicity, the media etc. She would have already known the press can be good and bad. And she got a huge amount of great press. They loved her.

The turning point here seems to have been when she and Harry were called out for taking several private jet holidays while talking about how we must all fight climate change, and the press ran a few articles pointing out the hypocrisy.
Never mind that the exact same criticism had been made by the same press about Charles and Andrew taking private jet trips. Andy has even been called "Airmiles Andy" for years by the press. Charles was mocked for having his own Bentley shipped out to Vienna just so he could use it for a couple of miles at an event.
But Meghan and Harry decided that it can only be racism. There could be no other explanation.
 
2021-06-11 6:40:43 PM  

optikeye: Carter Pewterschmidt: The Queen is now publicly backing the BBC who said she had not given her blessing.

That's not true. She simply is refusing to comment on the BBC article. That's not uncommon that the Queen is trying to stay out of a tabloid story. It's not backing the BBC, just keeping private stuff private.


That's not how it is being reported. The Palace briefed the BBC, saying she was not consulted but informed.
The media is running with their briefing. If the Queen wasn't happy they would have another briefing to set the record straight. They're letting the story run and the BBC is confident enough to keep that story up.
 
2021-06-11 6:55:29 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Kris_Romm: You're very invested.

No more than anyone else who posts in these threads insisting the UK is racist, everyone hates Meghan etc.

Kris_Romm: I will say, most of the things you're claiming he's lying about appear to be off the cuff or conditional statements who's importance were elevated more in endless hysterical retellings.  I mean seriously.  What thought process is attached towards thinking mischaracterizing a private meeting before the ceremony is some grand strategic thing?  At worst, it's a mangled anecdote.

Because they explicitly said they "got married" days before the public ceremony. That's not a slip of the tongue. That's a lie.

Blaming racism on Archie not getting a title? That's a lie. Blaming the family for him not getting security? That's a lie. Meghan saying her passport was "taken away and I didn't see it again until we quit"? That's a lie.
Meghan saying she didn't find out she'd have to curtsey to the Queen until five minutes before meeting her? Why didn't she blame Harry for that? What kind of idiot wouldn't  talk to his wife and tell her these things? Harry was apparently happy for her to walk in and embarrass herself because he didn't bother warning her.
Meghan claiming she was somehow prevented from getting mental health care? So what exactly stopped Harry, or Meghan herself, making a phone call? Lots of people have mental health worries, and they pick up the phone and make an appointment. So who exactly prevented Meghan from making such a call, and how? This isn't a Disney movie where the evil Queen keeps them locked up in the tower.

What you're doing her is taking comments she said and taking them as gospel truth when you want to believe them and when they're proved false suddenly saying "Well it was no big deal, she just misspoke....."


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But anyway, as a good American, I want them to be right about everything and also if they just...went away, that'd be fine, as well.
 
2021-06-11 6:59:24 PM  

raerae1980: Nidiot: Ambivalence: In any other family, a couple naming their child in honor of their great grandmother would be considered wonderful.

Actual name sure, but I don't think you are ever meant to name the child with their great grandmother's (or anyone's) nickname.

Why not?  Is there some Royalty rule about naming traditions?


I don't mean just Royalty, I apply that to anyone.

If you are going to name people after nicknames, there is a kid somewhere whose official name will be Stinky.
 
2021-06-11 8:25:25 PM  
The two houses should have a shooting war.
Marshall their armies, and go marching over the British countryside shooting shiat and blowing shiat up like in the olden days.
Remind those inbred, drunken pie-eaters what their precious royalty are actually for.
 
2021-06-11 8:34:35 PM  
George Washington didn't kill 50 nazis at Gettysburg for me to give a rat's ass about the royal family!

Yeah, that sounds right!
 
2021-06-11 8:50:04 PM  
Carter Pewterschmidt:
Meghan claiming she was somehow prevented from getting mental health care? So what exactly stopped Harry, or Meghan herself, making a phone call? Lots of people have mental health worries, and they pick up the phone and make an appointment.

Do you think they just hop in the car and drive off to wherever when the mood takes them (and aren't followed by the press whenever they do leave?) Do you think the palace would be totally cool with one of the senior royals driving off to a shabby little office in London to spill their guts to an un-vetted person chosen at random from the phone book?

Alternately, how do you think the palace would feel if they asked the shrink to come have the appointment at the palace? You know, an un-vetted person strolling around the grounds of Windsor Palace, looking for Frogmore Cottage?
 
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