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(Al Jazeera)   Pro tip: when you're buying marble to be the foundation of your uranium centrifuges at your Natanz nuke facility, make sure the guy selling those blocks isn't pre-loading them with LOTS of explosives   (aljazeera.com) divider line
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5 days ago  
That was a good read.

Thank you subby
 
4 days ago  
That's genius.
 
4 days ago  
Better luck next time, Iran.

Seriously. Since the world looks the other way with Israel's not-so-secret nukes then Iran sure as hell has the right to them.
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  
...and used pinball machine parts.
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  
Yeah, I doubt that.

Its a good way to make the Iranians nervous though.
 
4 days ago  

NuclearPenguins: Better luck next time, Iran.

Seriously. Since the world looks the other way with Israel's not-so-secret nukes then Iran sure as hell has the right to them.


As shiatty as the Israelis can be, I do trust them to not use their nukes as anything but leverage and a weapon of very last resort.

I can't say the same for Iran.
 
4 days ago  
It still amazes me that a technology developed more than 75 yeas ago is still so difficult to produce/obtain by a government.

Can't you just buy a dozen from Russia and call it done?
 
4 days ago  
You didn't see nothin'.
 
4 days ago  

Sasquach: It still amazes me that a technology developed more than 75 yeas ago is still so difficult to produce/obtain by a government.

Can't you just buy a dozen from Russia and call it done?


Like they'd work.
And not at a bad time.
 
4 days ago  

AntonChigger: NuclearPenguins: Better luck next time, Iran.

Seriously. Since the world looks the other way with Israel's not-so-secret nukes then Iran sure as hell has the right to them.

As shiatty as the Israelis can be, I do trust them to not use their nukes as anything but leverage and a weapon of very last resort.

I can't say the same for Iran.


I disagree. Iran is at least a signatory to the NPT, Israel is not. A pox on both of their governments, of course, but I am more upset at Israel, as my tax dollars support their useless asses.
 
4 days ago  
Talk about playing the long ball. While I don't doubt how far in advance espionage is sometimes planned, to be running a ground game 5 years in advance seems pretty unlikely.
 
4 days ago  
I doubt that is what happened, but it's a good story.
 
4 days ago  
Given Iran is under siege from foreign powers, and has no history of invading its neighbors, what really separates their nuke ambitions from Israel's?

And what do you think would happen if they, or anyone else, did this sort of thing to Israel?  Could you imagine the reaction to someone taking out Israeli Nike scientists or equipment?
 
4 days ago  
Ok so we need a plan to disable the Iran nuclear processing facility.

Abraham takes a huge hit of coke, Why don't we just make the floors out of explosives?
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  

Antimatter: Given Iran is under siege from foreign powers, and has no history of invading its neighbors, what really separates their nuke ambitions from Israel's?

And what do you think would happen if they, or anyone else, did this sort of thing to Israel?  Could you imagine the reaction to someone taking out Israeli Nike scientists or equipment?


Because Israel wouldn't lend one to Hezbollah, Hamas, or various other terrorist organizations.
 
TWX
4 days ago  
Assuming that this is true, that the plinths were tampered with as stated, that's both a pretty massive feat of engineering in its own right and a pretty significant failure on the part of those that used the doctored parts.  I can only assume that explosives are lighter mass per volume than marble, meaning that to make-up the difference it would have been necessary to incorporate other denser materials.  The interior structure of these plinths should have reacted differently to testing procedures than merely cut marble would, and might have even had different center-of-mass.

As for engineering the doctored slabs themselves, this would have required care and planning to ensure that removed material didn't result in cracking in the process of drilling and setting anchors at the site, or breakage in the process of transporting and positioning, with possibly no way of predicting exactly how they'd be underslung by any cranes or other construction equipment used.

It's kind of surprising that a plot element of the movie True Lies managed to be incorporated into a real espionage effort:

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4 days ago  

dionysusaur: Sasquach: It still amazes me that a technology developed more than 75 yeas ago is still so difficult to produce/obtain by a government.

Can't you just buy a dozen from Russia and call it done?

Like they'd work.
And not at a bad time.


As long as the core still contains enough fissionable/fusable material, you can rebuild the rest of the bomb around it.
 
4 days ago  

Farkin Charlie: Talk about playing the long ball. While I don't doubt how far in advance espionage is sometimes planned, to be running a ground game 5 years in advance seems pretty unlikely.


Often these things go pretty long...if they managed to infiltrate the Iranian requisitions chain, why not provide them with sabotaged material?  Makes sense.

Recently the DoD and many other federal agencies had to rip out a bunch of servers after realizing that the Chinese had added in nearly microscopic hardware chips.

Sasquach: It still amazes me that a technology developed more than 75 yeas ago is still so difficult to produce/obtain by a government.

Can't you just buy a dozen from Russia and call it done?


Anyone who can produce nukes tends to try and keep them under their control as much as possible. Most governments understand that getting into the "handing out nukes like thongs at a bachelor party" is probably not the best way to avoid a nuclear war.

If Russia sells nukes to Iran, what's to stop the US from selling them to Ukraine? Nothing, except precedent and probably treaties. No one wants to go down the road where we end up with an assload of nuclear armed states on either side, most of whom never actually developed the things and just bought them from somewhere else.
 
TWX
4 days ago  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Ok so we need a plan to disable the Iran nuclear processing facility.

Abraham takes a huge hit of coke, Why don't we just make the floors out of explosives?


You're saying that he had the chutzpah to do that?
 
TWX
4 days ago  

khatores: Farkin Charlie: Talk about playing the long ball. While I don't doubt how far in advance espionage is sometimes planned, to be running a ground game 5 years in advance seems pretty unlikely.

Often these things go pretty long...if they managed to infiltrate the Iranian requisitions chain, why not provide them with sabotaged material?  Makes sense.

Recently the DoD and many other federal agencies had to rip out a bunch of servers after realizing that the Chinese had added in nearly microscopic hardware chips.

Sasquach: It still amazes me that a technology developed more than 75 yeas ago is still so difficult to produce/obtain by a government.

Can't you just buy a dozen from Russia and call it done?

Anyone who can produce nukes tends to try and keep them under their control as much as possible. Most governments understand that getting into the "handing out nukes like thongs at a bachelor party" is probably not the best way to avoid a nuclear war.

If Russia sells nukes to Iran, what's to stop the US from selling them to Ukraine? Nothing, except precedent and probably treaties. No one wants to go down the road where we end up with an assload of nuclear armed states on either side, most of whom never actually developed the things and just bought them from somewhere else.


If Russia sells nukes, Russia has already broken the treaty and now there's not a lot of incentive for anyone else to uphold it either.
 
4 days ago  

khatores: Farkin Charlie: Talk about playing the long ball. While I don't doubt how far in advance espionage is sometimes planned, to be running a ground game 5 years in advance seems pretty unlikely.

Often these things go pretty long...if they managed to infiltrate the Iranian requisitions chain, why not provide them with sabotaged material?  Makes sense.

Recently the DoD and many other federal agencies had to rip out a bunch of servers after realizing that the Chinese had added in nearly microscopic hardware chips.

Sasquach: It still amazes me that a technology developed more than 75 yeas ago is still so difficult to produce/obtain by a government.

Can't you just buy a dozen from Russia and call it done?

Anyone who can produce nukes tends to try and keep them under their control as much as possible. Most governments understand that getting into the "handing out nukes like thongs at a bachelor party" is probably not the best way to avoid a nuclear war.

If Russia sells nukes to Iran, what's to stop the US from selling them to Ukraine? Nothing, except precedent and probably treaties. No one wants to go down the road where we end up with an assload of nuclear armed states on either side, most of whom never actually developed the things and just bought them from somewhere else.


In a saner world, I'd agree with you.
 
4 days ago  
The Mossad is the gold standard of intelligence services for playing hard ball.
Team Putin is a close second.
 
4 days ago  

Antimatter: Given Iran is under siege from foreign powers, and has no history of invading its neighbors, what really separates their nuke ambitions from Israel's?

And what do you think would happen if they, or anyone else, did this sort of thing to Israel?  Could you imagine the reaction to someone taking out Israeli Nike scientists or equipment?


Perhaps you're not aware that we, the US, were fighting Iranians in Iraq.

Iran isn't innocent.
 
4 days ago  
Interesting.  I wonder if the marble was shipped in on the same airliner seats that held all that cash after the Obama administration signed its nuclear deal with Iran.

:-{p  It's Friday.
 
4 days ago  

TWX: khatores: Farkin Charlie: Talk about playing the long ball. While I don't doubt how far in advance espionage is sometimes planned, to be running a ground game 5 years in advance seems pretty unlikely.

Often these things go pretty long...if they managed to infiltrate the Iranian requisitions chain, why not provide them with sabotaged material?  Makes sense.

Recently the DoD and many other federal agencies had to rip out a bunch of servers after realizing that the Chinese had added in nearly microscopic hardware chips.

Sasquach: It still amazes me that a technology developed more than 75 yeas ago is still so difficult to produce/obtain by a government.

Can't you just buy a dozen from Russia and call it done?

Anyone who can produce nukes tends to try and keep them under their control as much as possible. Most governments understand that getting into the "handing out nukes like thongs at a bachelor party" is probably not the best way to avoid a nuclear war.

If Russia sells nukes to Iran, what's to stop the US from selling them to Ukraine? Nothing, except precedent and probably treaties. No one wants to go down the road where we end up with an assload of nuclear armed states on either side, most of whom never actually developed the things and just bought them from somewhere else.

If Russia sells nukes, Russia has already broken the treaty and now there's not a lot of incentive for anyone else to uphold it either.


That's a simpler way of saying it.
 
4 days ago  

NuclearPenguins: Better luck next time, Iran.

Seriously. Since the world looks the other way with Israel's not-so-secret nukes then Iran sure as hell has the right to them.


I could give a flying fark about anyone's "right" to have nuclear weapons.  Just look at the U.S. and see the carnage that has resulted from people having "rights" to weapons.  The more weapons there are, the more likely they will be used.  The notion of equity in this circumstance is childish and obscenely absurd.
 
4 days ago  

Sasquach: khatores: Farkin Charlie: Talk about playing the long ball. While I don't doubt how far in advance espionage is sometimes planned, to be running a ground game 5 years in advance seems pretty unlikely.

Often these things go pretty long...if they managed to infiltrate the Iranian requisitions chain, why not provide them with sabotaged material?  Makes sense.

Recently the DoD and many other federal agencies had to rip out a bunch of servers after realizing that the Chinese had added in nearly microscopic hardware chips.

Sasquach: It still amazes me that a technology developed more than 75 yeas ago is still so difficult to produce/obtain by a government.

Can't you just buy a dozen from Russia and call it done?

Anyone who can produce nukes tends to try and keep them under their control as much as possible. Most governments understand that getting into the "handing out nukes like thongs at a bachelor party" is probably not the best way to avoid a nuclear war.

If Russia sells nukes to Iran, what's to stop the US from selling them to Ukraine? Nothing, except precedent and probably treaties. No one wants to go down the road where we end up with an assload of nuclear armed states on either side, most of whom never actually developed the things and just bought them from somewhere else.

In a saner world, I'd agree with you.


Well, we might one day get to a situation of out-of-control nuclear proliferation, and then we'd shortly be one of those alien civilizations that isn't sending out signals any longer because we destroyed ourselves.
 
4 days ago  

Senseless_drivel: Antimatter: Given Iran is under siege from foreign powers, and has no history of invading its neighbors, what really separates their nuke ambitions from Israel's?

And what do you think would happen if they, or anyone else, did this sort of thing to Israel?  Could you imagine the reaction to someone taking out Israeli Nike scientists or equipment?

Perhaps you're not aware that we, the US, were fighting Iranians in Iraq.

Iran isn't innocent.


Gosh.  How did we happen to be there?
 
4 days ago  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Antimatter: Given Iran is under siege from foreign powers, and has no history of invading its neighbors, what really separates their nuke ambitions from Israel's?

And what do you think would happen if they, or anyone else, did this sort of thing to Israel?  Could you imagine the reaction to someone taking out Israeli Nike scientists or equipment?

Because Israel wouldn't lend one to Hezbollah, Hamas, or various other terrorist organizations.


Given that Israel already has a history of providing assistance to apartheid South Africa's nuclear weapons program, I'm not sure how much you can trust their non-proliferation stance.
 
4 days ago  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Antimatter: Given Iran is under siege from foreign powers, and has no history of invading its neighbors, what really separates their nuke ambitions from Israel's?

And what do you think would happen if they, or anyone else, did this sort of thing to Israel?  Could you imagine the reaction to someone taking out Israeli Nike scientists or equipment?

Because Israel wouldn't lend one to Hezbollah, Hamas, or various other terrorist organizations.


And what makes you think Iran would, given it would be easily traced to them and result in their annihilation?
 
4 days ago  

Senseless_drivel: Antimatter: Given Iran is under siege from foreign powers, and has no history of invading its neighbors, what really separates their nuke ambitions from Israel's?

And what do you think would happen if they, or anyone else, did this sort of thing to Israel?  Could you imagine the reaction to someone taking out Israeli Nike scientists or equipment?

Perhaps you're not aware that we, the US, were fighting Iranians in Iraq.

Iran isn't innocent.


Remind me again, why were we these in the first place, and which groups in that region are using weapons we supplied them against others?

I mean whats good for the goose is good for the gander when it comes to proxy wars.  IF we can wage them, so can they.
 
4 days ago  
I'd like to know how the explosives were detonated.  I suppose a simple timer measured in months or a year would be easiest, but I wonder if there wasn't some secret squirrel method for someone to set them off manually.
 
4 days ago  

NuclearPenguins: Better luck next time, Iran.

Seriously. Since the world looks the other way with Israel's not-so-secret nukes then Iran sure as hell has the right to them.


No they don't. You can criticize Israel for the heinous shiat they do, but Iran having nukes is bad for the world. Yes, there are double standards.
 
4 days ago  
Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel's Targeted Assassinations

Israel does not intend to give her enemies the first shot or for it to be a fair fight, nor should she.

Politics make strange bedfellows and all of that good stuff acknowledged, that Iran and Israel teamed up to take out an Iraqi nuclear reactor is still quite difficult to fathom.
 
4 days ago  

Antimatter: Senseless_drivel: Antimatter: Given Iran is under siege from foreign powers, and has no history of invading its neighbors, what really separates their nuke ambitions from Israel's?

And what do you think would happen if they, or anyone else, did this sort of thing to Israel?  Could you imagine the reaction to someone taking out Israeli Nike scientists or equipment?

Perhaps you're not aware that we, the US, were fighting Iranians in Iraq.

Iran isn't innocent.

Remind me again, why were we these in the first place, and which groups in that region are using weapons we supplied them against others?

I mean whats good for the goose is good for the gander when it comes to proxy wars.  IF we can wage them, so can they.


And so can we. Again. And so can our proxies. Again. And so can they. Again.

Maybe we've hit on the plot for the "it's a wonderful life*" sequel.

* unless you're standing on oil
 
4 days ago  

Senseless_drivel: Antimatter: Given Iran is under siege from foreign powers, and has no history of invading its neighbors, what really separates their nuke ambitions from Israel's?

And what do you think would happen if they, or anyone else, did this sort of thing to Israel?  Could you imagine the reaction to someone taking out Israeli Nike scientists or equipment?

Perhaps you're not aware that we, the US, were fighting Iranians in Iraq.

Iran isn't innocent.


I wasn't aware of that, probably because it not's really true. Iran has been a huge supporter of the US-installed Shia government which replaced Saddam's Sunni government. The majority of the Iraqi insurgency has been Sunni, not Shia. Iran has been providing aide to Shia militia's in Iraq, but the main goal of this was the fight against ISIS. Iran has also been providing arms and funding to the Kurdish Peshmerga, which were US allies before Trump sold them out.

Given that the Iraq War actually helped Iran by removing a Sunni enemy from their borders and gave them a Shia ally instead, why would they have fought against it?
 
4 days ago  
I wonder if any Iranian museum found that the base under a statue had evaporated recently.
 
4 days ago  
It's more likely they just want to Fark with Iran who is now doing to be remodeling all their floors and walls for the next year or 2 looking for bombs
 
4 days ago  
NuclearPenguins img.fark.net    Smartest (3)   Funniest (7)  1 hour ago
Better luck next time, Iran.

Seriously. Since the world looks the other way with Israel's not-so-secret nukes then Iran sure as hell has the right to them

Antimatter: Given Iran is under siege from foreign powers, and has no history of invading its neighbors, what really separates their nuke ambitions from Israel's?

And what do you think would happen if they, or anyone else, did this sort of thing to Israel?  Could you imagine the reaction to someone taking out Israeli Nike scientists or equipment?


Wow, white-knighting Iran?  Fark really gets down in the mud sometimes, but holy shiate.
 
4 days ago  

AntonChigger: NuclearPenguins: Better luck next time, Iran.

Seriously. Since the world looks the other way with Israel's not-so-secret nukes then Iran sure as hell has the right to them.

As shiatty as the Israelis can be, I do trust them to not use their nukes as anything but leverage and a weapon of very last resort.

I can't say the same for Iran.


The Israelis have had *several* plans to detonate nukes if they ever seemed to be losing their wars against the local Arabs.
 
4 days ago  
Israel spy on Iran nuclear scientists: 'We offer them a way out'

They also discussed the November killing of Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, an Iranian scientist

Asked by the interviewer if the scientists understood the implications if they did not stop, Cohen said: "They see their friends."


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I'm impressed.  Most of the world's villains and thugs don't just wear it openly on their sleeve like that.
 
4 days ago  
This is misinformation.

Kinda like the "UFO" videos the Navy has been dropping lately which are almost definitely top to bottom Hollywood productions intended to make the Russians and Chinese think we have developed some kid of super plane or unstoppable missile technology.
 
4 days ago  

Magnus: NuclearPenguins [img.fark.net image 54x11]    Smartest (3)   Funniest (7)  1 hour ago
Better luck next time, Iran.

Seriously. Since the world looks the other way with Israel's not-so-secret nukes then Iran sure as hell has the right to them

Antimatter: Given Iran is under siege from foreign powers, and has no history of invading its neighbors, what really separates their nuke ambitions from Israel's?

And what do you think would happen if they, or anyone else, did this sort of thing to Israel?  Could you imagine the reaction to someone taking out Israeli Nike scientists or equipment?

Wow, white-knighting Iran?  Fark really gets down in the mud sometimes, but holy shiate.


More like pointing out the hypocrisy in forign policy and whom we protect.  You could replace Iran with any other nation and it woudl still be true.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  If we back Nation A doing something, we can't complain when nation B does the same.
 
4 days ago  

NightSteel: I'd like to know how the explosives were detonated.  I suppose a simple timer measured in months or a year would be easiest, but I wonder if there wasn't some secret squirrel method for someone to set them off manually.


I'm thinking hooking them to a geiger counter set to go off at a set radiation level.  That way they go off only after an extensive amount of time had been spent building the site but before any useful amount of material had been produced.
 
4 days ago  

cardex: I'm thinking hooking them to a geiger counter set to go off at a set radiation level.  That way they go off only after an extensive amount of time had been spent building the site but before any useful amount of material had been produced.


I'm not sure that a geiger counter would work very well encased in solid marble.  You'd have to have some pretty precise calculations of how much radiation can pass through a given thickness of marble, while still giving a safety margin to ensure background radiation doesn't set it off, and it would be really difficult to account for variations between slabs.  A timer ensures they all go off at the same time, or nearly so, with a lot less potential for failure or premature detonation.
 
4 days ago  

khatores: Recently the DoD and many other federal agencies had to rip out a bunch of servers after realizing that the Chinese had added in nearly microscopic hardware chips.


This was a false story.
 
4 days ago  

cardex: NightSteel: I'd like to know how the explosives were detonated.  I suppose a simple timer measured in months or a year would be easiest, but I wonder if there wasn't some secret squirrel method for someone to set them off manually.

I'm thinking hooking them to a geiger counter set to go off at a set radiation level.  That way they go off only after an extensive amount of time had been spent building the site but before any useful amount of material had been produced.


That might be too obvious a solution, so Iranian security staff might have bombarded construction materials in an attempt to set off such devices... or to ensure that materials wouldn't become radioactive while in use (so the security staff would check for induced radioactivity after irradiation).
 
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