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(The US Sun)   "All passengers were required to show proof of vaccination along with a negative Covid-19 test within 72-hours before the ship departed." So... people used fake vaccination cards and at least two of those people tested false negative? Inconceivable   (the-sun.com) divider line
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2021-06-11 6:32:11 AM  
Cruise departed Saturday. Five days sounds like a pretty good head start for Covid. On the packed, cattle-car shared-a/c conditions on a cruise ship, this will be a nice controlled "test under fire" of how well the vaccines actually work.

I hope they work really well, because Covid Deniers and Antivaxxers are guaranteeing that Covid will be with us for at least another decade.
 
2021-06-11 9:19:52 AM  

Harlee: Cruise departed Saturday. Five days sounds like a pretty good head start for Covid. On the packed, cattle-car shared-a/c conditions on a cruise ship, this will be a nice controlled "test under fire" of how well the vaccines actually work.

I hope they work really well, because Covid Deniers and Antivaxxers are guaranteeing that Covid will be with us for at least another decade.


Covid may well be with us that long, but on the bright side a number of the deniers and anti-vaxxers won't be.
 
2021-06-11 10:05:03 AM  
that's what you get for going on a cruise
 
2021-06-11 10:06:10 AM  
Cruise ships are just giant swingers clubs for people that never got past that stage in college right?
/is that right?
 
2021-06-11 10:07:49 AM  
Vaccinated people can still become infected; no vaccine is 100% effective. Among 600 passengers plus crew, it's not really a surprise that a few will test positive; the only suspect thing is that both positive tests were sharing a room.
 
2021-06-11 10:08:59 AM  
2 out of 600 isn't bad.
FTA: "The individuals are asymptomatic and currently in isolation and being monitored by our medical team"

You will get positive results when you test a large sample of vaccinated people even if none of them ever get sick. Meh.
 
2021-06-11 10:09:40 AM  

wxboy: Vaccinated people can still become infected; no vaccine is 100% effective. Among 600 passengers plus crew, it's not really a surprise that a few will test positive; the only suspect thing is that both positive tests were sharing a room.


Like the girl that went the virgin islands with a fake covid test, maybe.

Or they got covid. If nobody else on the boat gets covid, this is proof of the vaccine working.
 
2021-06-11 10:10:57 AM  
4 possibilities that are not mutually exclusive:

1.) People lied, as subby pointed out
2.) Positive tests onboard were incorrect (my guess is that they used rapid tests and will now be following up with PCR)
3.) Negative tests beforehand were incorrect
4.) Vaccines don't provide 100% protection against catching the virus.

If everybody actually was vaccinated, then to have 2 asymptomatic cases out of 600+ shows the vaccines work pretty damn well, which is good news since there are too many plague rats to begin with.
 
2021-06-11 10:12:17 AM  

nemisonic: Cruise ships are just giant swingers clubs for people that never got past that stage in college right?
/is that right?


I've only taken 1 cruise and the only woman who would have sex with me was my wife and I had to get her drunk.
 
2021-06-11 10:14:09 AM  
If only there were criminal and civil penalties for basic fraud.
 
2021-06-11 10:14:23 AM  

wxboy: Vaccinated people can still become infected; no vaccine is 100% effective. Among 600 passengers plus crew, it's not really a surprise that a few will test positive; the only suspect thing is that both positive tests were sharing a room.


I go back and forth on that. On the one hand, sharing a room means increased exposure. On the other hand, if one (or both) individuals were unvaccinated, then the odds of a correct positive test go way up.
 
2021-06-11 10:14:43 AM  

nemisonic: Cruise ships are just giant swingers clubs for people that never got past that stage in college right?
/is that right?


You've never been on a cruise have you... trust me, there is practically 0 individuals on most cruises that you'd want to "swing" with.
 
2021-06-11 10:16:57 AM  
Read up on these vaccines, they don't necessarily keep you from getting infected - they keep you from exhibiting the symptoms that are likely to lead to hospitalizations and deaths and minimize reproduction of the virus to minimize viral loading.

All of the producers have been saying this since day 1.
 
2021-06-11 10:17:25 AM  
If the tests were the ID Now rapid NAAT test, it's more likely to get a false negative than a false positive. That may have been the case.
 
2021-06-11 10:17:36 AM  

Harlee: Cruise departed Saturday. Five days sounds like a pretty good head start for Covid. On the packed, cattle-car shared-a/c conditions on a cruise ship, this will be a nice controlled "test under fire" of how well the vaccines actually work.

I hope they work really well, because Covid Deniers and Antivaxxers are guaranteeing that Covid will be with us for at least another decade.


Eh, think of it as a loose clinical trial. You & I benefit from the experience of a bunch of tourists willing to put their health in the hands of a few trumpers smart enough to work a copier for stigginit. Here's hoping the vax does its unexplainable-evil-gates-Democrat-magi​c of keeping the smart people healthy.
 
2021-06-11 10:17:51 AM  
Simple answer. Everyone who tests positive is thrown overboard.
 
2021-06-11 10:17:55 AM  
If you had to be tested regularly for other diseases we've been vaccinated against it wouldn't be shocking to see an occasional positive. Vaccines do not prevent a virus from entering the body, they allow the body to react quickly enough such that you don't get sick and rapidly expel the disease, and it's far less likely to transmit it.

If these two actually were legit vaccinated, and simply tested positive (perhaps being exposed before leaving, or in a port), and asymptomatic, and the contact tracing allowed testing of other vaccinated people and found they tested negative, then to me that says that the vaccines are *working*.
 
2021-06-11 10:19:22 AM  
Somebody's cruisin' for a bruisin'.

/And a ventilator
 
2021-06-11 10:20:59 AM  
where did the article state they used fake vax cards?
 
2021-06-11 10:23:01 AM  
Note this was the end-of-cruise test. You had 600 people on a cruise ship with 2 people who had the SARS-CoV-2 virus in their system and NO ONE ELSE caught it. Yes, this absolutely is huge evidence that the vaccines are very, very effective.
 
2021-06-11 10:23:11 AM  
Of all the things repeating from history I did not anticipate pirates and plague ships.

Train robberies next?  Gladiatorial combat (to the death)?  Armies attacking while riding elephants?
 
2021-06-11 10:24:42 AM  
A better result than I expected, but you still won't find me on a cruise.

I work with a woman that thinks she's going to win a lawsuit against a cruise line for telling her she isn't getting on board without proof of vaccination. Once she gives up on that fantasy, I'm positive she's going to try to get fake credentials.
 
2021-06-11 10:25:23 AM  

RogueWallEnthusiast: Of all the things repeating from history I did not anticipate pirates and plague ships.

Train robberies next?  Gladiatorial combat (to the death)?  Armies attacking while riding elephants?


...and only 2 people caught it, so wow.  GO VACCINNES!
 
2021-06-11 10:26:32 AM  
Just give everyone who boards the J&J vaccine and refuse boarding to anyone who refuses the shot.

\ Then give them a free beer for getting vaccinated.
 
2021-06-11 10:26:33 AM  
"people used fake vaccination cards"

wxboy: Vaccinated people can still become infected; no vaccine is 100% effective. Among 600 passengers plus crew, it's not really a surprise that a few will test positive; the only suspect thing is that both positive tests were sharing a room.


If the two are genetically related, it's also possible that they share a genetic trait that prevents the COVID vaccine from working for them.
 
2021-06-11 10:27:21 AM  
Presenting false immunization records should be a felony.
 
2021-06-11 10:28:35 AM  
What are their names?
 
2021-06-11 10:28:56 AM  

nemisonic: Cruise ships are just giant swingers clubs for people that never got past that stage in college right?
/is that right?


No. Cruise ships are full of senior citizens that were alive during the disco era, getting around on walkers and wheelchairs by families because they are on their last days on this earth, while " Staying Alive " is playing all over the ship.
 
2021-06-11 10:29:06 AM  
The two should keel hauled, then turned into chum.

I'm not a fan of cruises, so even going on one of those plague boats with trump worshipers still alive is just plain stupid.
 
2021-06-11 10:29:41 AM  

grokca: nemisonic: Cruise ships are just giant swingers clubs for people that never got past that stage in college right?
/is that right?

I've only taken 1 cruise and the only woman who would have sex with me was my wife and I had to get her drunk.


Well as a married person I would suggest "that's your mistake right there."
 
2021-06-11 10:29:50 AM  

hershy799: 4 possibilities that are not mutually exclusive:

1.) People lied, as subby pointed out
2.) Positive tests onboard were incorrect (my guess is that they used rapid tests and will now be following up with PCR)
3.) Negative tests beforehand were incorrect
4.) Vaccines don't provide 100% protection against catching the virus.

If everybody actually was vaccinated, then to have 2 asymptomatic cases out of 600+ shows the vaccines work pretty damn well, which is good news since there are too many plague rats to begin with.


It's worth remembering that if you test 600 people with a test that has a 1% false positive rate, your expectation is to get something like 6 positives even if no one has the virus. As actual infection goes down, the likelihood that any given positive is false goes up.

/ Had a false positive rapid test a little while back.
 
2021-06-11 10:30:19 AM  

nemisonic: Cruise ships are just giant swingers clubs for people that never got past that stage in college right?
/is that right?


That and floating labs useful for experimentation in disease spread and vaccine effectiveness.
 
2021-06-11 10:31:32 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: where did the article state they used fake vax cards?


It doesn't.  But it will get clicks because a lot of people want to believe such a story which even the shiatty tabloid article wouldn't substantiate.  Subby is a liar, and the submission got the green light.  Is Fark still a news aggregator site, or is it just Facebook, without the stalking?
 
2021-06-11 10:33:22 AM  
Vaccinated people can still get Covid.
 
2021-06-11 10:33:57 AM  
Keelhauling (Dutch kielhalen;[1] "to drag along the keel") is a form of punishment and potential execution once meted out to sailors at sea. The sailor was tied to a line looped beneath the vessel, thrown overboard on one side of the ship, and dragged under the ship's keel, either from one side of the ship to the other, or the length of the ship (from bow to stern).
The common supposition is that keelhauling amounted to a sentence of either death by extreme torture, or minimally a physical trauma likely to permanently maim. The hull of the ship was usually covered in barnacles and other marine growth, and thus, keelhauling would typically result in serious lacerations, of which the victim could later suffer infection and scarring. If the victim was dragged slowly, his weight might lower him sufficiently to miss the barnacles, but this method would frequently result in his drowning. There was also a risk of head trauma from colliding against the hull or keel, especially if the ship was in motion. Additionally, if sailing through shark-infested waters, there was a risk of the victim suffering a fatal shark attack.
 
2021-06-11 10:40:08 AM  

BigKaboom: nemisonic: Cruise ships are just giant swingers clubs for people that never got past that stage in college right?
/is that right?

No. Cruise ships are full of senior citizens that were alive during the disco era, getting around on walkers and wheelchairs by families because they are on their last days on this earth, while " Staying Alive " is playing all over the ship.


GIS for disco ship

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2021-06-11 10:41:07 AM  
Vaccine engendered antibody titers are finite and ablate through neutralization.  They allow you to tolerate a much higher aggregate infectious dose before infection is established.

Once those antibodies are exhausted/ablated, Memory B cells may or may not decrease the severity of the resultant infection dependent upon strain and vaccine make. Just because an antibody neutralizes a variant doesn't necessarily mean that the APC's that secreted that antibody will be stimulated to produce more antibodies by the presence of the offending variant--neutralizing capacity does not guarantee B cell cross reactivity.
 
2021-06-11 10:42:17 AM  
Never understood a vacation where you're mostly stuck on a boat with strangers just eating, drinking, and farting around.

I'd go nuts. I like to go do things. Usually away from other people.
 
2021-06-11 10:47:20 AM  

wxboy: Vaccinated people can still become infected; no vaccine is 100% effective. Among 600 passengers plus crew, it's not really a surprise that a few will test positive; the only suspect thing is that both positive tests were sharing a room.



Why is that suspect?  It's it normal that complete strangers share rooms on these things?

They are probably related and spend lots of time together and pick it from else where at the same time or gave it to each other.
 
2021-06-11 10:49:51 AM  

OrangeSnapper: What_Would_Jimi_Do: where did the article state they used fake vax cards?

It doesn't.  But it will get clicks because a lot of people want to believe such a story which even the shiatty tabloid article wouldn't substantiate.  Subby is a liar, and the submission got the green light.  Is Fark still a news aggregator site, or is it just Facebook, without the stalking?


Fark was never a news site. It is the least it has ever been now.
 
2021-06-11 10:50:39 AM  

GregInIndy: Never understood a vacation where you're mostly stuck on a boat with strangers


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If you get ship wrecked, I guess it could be interesting.
 
2021-06-11 10:55:17 AM  
"Everybody lies."  -  G. House
 
2021-06-11 10:56:31 AM  
When I think of people on cruise ships, I'm reminded of idiots.

Idiots with too much money, little taste, and a deathwish. Blithering, gibbering idiots.
 
2021-06-11 10:57:01 AM  

thurstonxhowell: hershy799: 4 possibilities that are not mutually exclusive:

1.) People lied, as subby pointed out
2.) Positive tests onboard were incorrect (my guess is that they used rapid tests and will now be following up with PCR)
3.) Negative tests beforehand were incorrect
4.) Vaccines don't provide 100% protection against catching the virus.

If everybody actually was vaccinated, then to have 2 asymptomatic cases out of 600+ shows the vaccines work pretty damn well, which is good news since there are too many plague rats to begin with.

It's worth remembering that if you test 600 people with a test that has a 1% false positive rate, your expectation is to get something like 6 positives even if no one has the virus. As actual infection goes down, the likelihood that any given positive is false goes up.

/ Had a false positive rapid test a little while back.


Awesome, now do false negatives.

/early rapid tests were really bad about that and haven't heard anything about it in the past year
//unless you are doing rapid tests every other day, the cracks are wide enough to drop a cruise ship through
 
2021-06-11 10:57:42 AM  

hershy799: 4 possibilities that are not mutually exclusive:

1.) People lied, as subby pointed out
2.) Positive tests onboard were incorrect (my guess is that they used rapid tests and will now be following up with PCR)
3.) Negative tests beforehand were incorrect
4.) Vaccines don't provide 100% protection against catching the virus.

If everybody actually was vaccinated, then to have 2 asymptomatic cases out of 600+ shows the vaccines work pretty damn well, which is good news since there are too many plague rats to begin with.


My money is on option 4, especially since they're asymptomatic. It a combination of 3 and 4.
 
2021-06-11 10:58:53 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: GregInIndy: Never understood a vacation where you're mostly stuck on a boat with strangers

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If you get ship wrecked, I guess it could be interesting.


Ginger had heavy hangers?
 
2021-06-11 11:00:53 AM  
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Ready for trip up the Denial river.
 
2021-06-11 11:02:34 AM  

dennysgod: wxboy: Vaccinated people can still become infected; no vaccine is 100% effective. Among 600 passengers plus crew, it's not really a surprise that a few will test positive; the only suspect thing is that both positive tests were sharing a room.


Why is that suspect?  It's it normal that complete strangers share rooms on these things?

They are probably related and spend lots of time together and pick it from else where at the same time or gave it to each other.


That's going to be true of a lot of people on the ship.  From there, a few assumptions:

- Vaccinated people can catch the virus, but should test positive at a lower rate.
- Positive tests from vaccinated people shouldn't be concentrated.
- I find it unlikely that these two (yes, likely related, or in a relationship) were the only ones on board to have been exposed prior to boarding.

So if they both were vaccinated, I see it as unlikely that they should both test positive AND that nobody else on the ship also managed to test positive, out of hundreds of people.

But there are certainly lots of other explanations for why this could have occurred, as others in this thread have pointed out.  I meant that statement only as the only piece of evidence that would make Subby's accusatory headline plausibly accurate.
 
2021-06-11 11:07:24 AM  
Haven't we been told all along that a vaccination is no guarantee that you can't get infected, but that it definitely keeps you from being hospitalized?
 
2021-06-11 11:09:56 AM  

GregInIndy: Never understood a vacation where you're mostly stuck on a boat with strangers just eating, drinking, and farting around.

I'd go nuts. I like to go do things. Usually away from other people.


Did it once with my family, as my grandfather wanted to do it after multiple rounds of chemotherapy had failed and he only had a few months to live

It's basically a floating hotel, so you can see multiple interesting places while not losing tons of time in transit, as that's when you're eating and sleeping

You could probably do it even better plotting out routes with sleeper trains so you could actually catch dinner at the various places before moving on, if you planned out the route yourself

But this way you get vetted your guides and translators, and buses to see interesting places

Yes, there's a bit too much time at sea (and getting stuck with your family), but if you splurge for the side trips, you can see a lot of interesting things.  And only some of it's being forced to go to a carpet store in Turkey

(Don't get me wrong, the carpets were amazing... but telling someone in their 20s that this carpet too someone a year to make, and then asking them what they'd be willing to pay for it just made me question what a year of someone's life is worth and if I had that sort of disposable income)

There are lots of arguments about over-touristed places, and cruise ships likely contribute (busses drop off people to shop for an hour, almost all at the same few places, while other places get little in the way of tourist dollars), but in some ways it's like hitting a buffet- you get to sample a lot of things that might not be the absolute best, and good for people with a limited amount of time

(Not that I'd do it again, but I see how it could appeal to some people)
 
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