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3 days ago  
"They don't have enough money," Neeson joked

Using reverse psychology on The Mouse.  It's daring, a long shot, I like it.
 
3 days ago  
Honestly he didn't cause the genocide of the Jedi. They brought it on themselves by their own actions. If he wouldn't have died Anikin might have never turned to the dark side like he did because of how differently he could have been trained. Quigon wasn't exactly the standard Jedi at the time.
 
3 days ago  
Yoda?

*checks article*

Oh, him.
 
3 days ago  

Nimbull: Honestly he didn't cause the genocide of the Jedi. They brought it on themselves by their own actions. If he wouldn't have died Anikin might have never turned to the dark side like he did because of how differently he could have been trained. Quigon wasn't exactly the standard Jedi at the time.


Apart from Qui Gon, I think Mace Windu would have been the ideal teacher for Anakin.  He knew how to skirt the Dark side without being controlled by it.
 
3 days ago  

Nimbull: Honestly he didn't cause the genocide of the Jedi. They brought it on themselves by their own actions. If he wouldn't have died Anikin might have never turned to the dark side like he did because of how differently he could have been trained. Quigon wasn't exactly the standard Jedi at the time.


No shiat.  Blame Yoda if anyone.    He knew the clones had problematic inhibitor chips in their heads, and he knew the clones were produced by Dooku.   And instead of saying "Figure this shiat out, let us.  Trap it must be, unless dumb-ass you are..." he went "No biggie.  Let's cover it up!"
 
3 days ago  

Snapper Carr: I think Mace Windu would have been the ideal teacher for Anakin.  He knew how to skirt the Dark side without being controlled by it.


Except that Mace Windu took one look at Anakin and said "get that creepy kid outta here" and wanted nothing to do with him. He propbably wouldn't have trained him at all.
 
3 days ago  
Neeson will definitely be in it. He probably (no definitely) signed an NDA.
 
3 days ago  

strangeguitar: Neeson will definitely be in it. He probably (no definitely) signed an NDA.


Has he ever turned a role down?
 
3 days ago  

nakmuay: strangeguitar: Neeson will definitely be in it. He probably (no definitely) signed an NDA.

Has he ever turned a role down?


He refused to participate in 2 Schindler 2 List.

(also Darkman 2)
 
3 days ago  

nakmuay: strangeguitar: Neeson will definitely be in it. He probably (no definitely) signed an NDA.

Has he ever turned a role down?


When his wife died he threw himself into his work completely to distract himself from the grief.  That's the main reason he was in so many middling action movies for a while.
 
3 days ago  
Oh, when you said "Jedi genocide" I thought you meant something else...


5 Genocides the JEDI ORDER Took Part In
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3 days ago  
Jar jar?
 
3 days ago  
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3 days ago  

Snapper Carr: nakmuay: strangeguitar: Neeson will definitely be in it. He probably (no definitely) signed an NDA.

Has he ever turned a role down?

When his wife died he threw himself into his work completely to distract himself from the grief.  That's the main reason he was in so many middling action movies for a while.


He did that while saying America has a gun violence problem due to the number of violent movies we produce/watch. He'll take a payday.
 
3 days ago  

Rent Party: Nimbull: Honestly he didn't cause the genocide of the Jedi. They brought it on themselves by their own actions. If he wouldn't have died Anikin might have never turned to the dark side like he did because of how differently he could have been trained. Quigon wasn't exactly the standard Jedi at the time.

No shiat.  Blame Yoda if anyone.    He knew the clones had problematic inhibitor chips in their heads, and he knew the clones were produced by Dooku.   And instead of saying "Figure this shiat out, let us.  Trap it must be, unless dumb-ass you are..." he went "No biggie.  Let's cover it up!"


Problematic inhibitor chips?  I thought they were genetically altered to be less independent than the original host.
 
3 days ago  
And it all comes back to the moment when he abuses his jedi power to dark side cheat the game of chance.

If he had been calm, at peace, then he would have known not to use his powers for attack or personally emotionally motivated desires.
If the child was meant to be taught the way, he would not have had to Force it.

While i think it is all a steamy pile of pointless to know the full unabridged history of a fake world. this one hinge of, he uses force power to literally cheat a legit roll of the dice, and that one act of power abuse, brings us to mass child murder.
Works for me.
 
3 days ago  

Great_Milenko: Rent Party: Nimbull: Honestly he didn't cause the genocide of the Jedi. They brought it on themselves by their own actions. If he wouldn't have died Anikin might have never turned to the dark side like he did because of how differently he could have been trained. Quigon wasn't exactly the standard Jedi at the time.

No shiat.  Blame Yoda if anyone.    He knew the clones had problematic inhibitor chips in their heads, and he knew the clones were produced by Dooku.   And instead of saying "Figure this shiat out, let us.  Trap it must be, unless dumb-ass you are..." he went "No biggie.  Let's cover it up!"

Problematic inhibitor chips?  I thought they were genetically altered to be less independent than the original host.


It's a bit of both.  They were genetically engineered to enhance traits that favored loyalty and discipline but they also had a chip implanted in their brains which made them easier to control (and also had the instructions for "Order 66" - without which they would have never turned on their Jedi superiors).
 
3 days ago  
No subby, it was the jedi themselves at fault. They insisted that the universe was black and white and slowly removed every aspect of being a living person who EXPERIENCES LIFE and instead decided on some weird mystical wise man above the world thing. If the jedi and sith had always been one order they would have been perfectly balanced and functioned far better
 
3 days ago  
"They don't have enough money," Neeson joked during an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live!

From what I've seen from his past few movies, I don't think it would take a lot of money to sign him to a series.
 
3 days ago  

lifeslammer: No subby, it was the jedi themselves at fault. They insisted that the universe was black and white and slowly removed every aspect of being a living person who EXPERIENCES LIFE and instead decided on some weird mystical wise man above the world thing. If the jedi and sith had always been one order they would have been perfectly balanced and functioned far better



No, it was George's fault for introducing the Force as a wooly woo-woo concept that helped resolve the plot of the first film, sensibly avoiding using it for anything outside of Luke/Vader's personal arcs in the next two movies, then making the prequels all about the Jedi/Sith conflict with only a half arsed attempt to develop a cohesive philosophy for either position, culminating with Disney diving right off the farking deep end for the sequels with even less of a plan and the belief that only very special people matter but that everybody is special (except the black guy who doesn't sell well in China).
 
3 days ago  

palelizard: Snapper Carr: nakmuay: strangeguitar: Neeson will definitely be in it. He probably (no definitely) signed an NDA.

Has he ever turned a role down?

When his wife died he threw himself into his work completely to distract himself from the grief.  That's the main reason he was in so many middling action movies for a while.

He did that while saying America has a gun violence problem due to the number of violent movies we produce/watch. He'll take a payday.


This.  It's nuts to me that we act like misrepresentation of historically oppressed groups in media perpetuates systemic racism, but watching Criminal Minds marathons or playing a shooting game for 14 hours a day has no effect whatsoever.
 
3 days ago  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: lifeslammer: No subby, it was the jedi themselves at fault. They insisted that the universe was black and white and slowly removed every aspect of being a living person who EXPERIENCES LIFE and instead decided on some weird mystical wise man above the world thing. If the jedi and sith had always been one order they would have been perfectly balanced and functioned far better


No, it was George's fault for introducing the Force as a wooly woo-woo concept that helped resolve the plot of the first film, sensibly avoiding using it for anything outside of Luke/Vader's personal arcs in the next two movies, then making the prequels all about the Jedi/Sith conflict with only a half arsed attempt to develop a cohesive philosophy for either position, culminating with Disney diving right off the farking deep end for the sequels with even less of a plan and the belief that only very special people matter but that everybody is special (except the black guy who doesn't sell well in China).


It's the consumer. That never stops biatching and throwing in their advise and vision. Blah, blah, blah.

Look at how you guys admire The Mandalorian.. Yet it's farking garbage.
 
3 days ago  
this is all wrong. everyone knows it's Spock's fault
 
3 days ago  
Not enough Jedi contempt in this thread.

Stewards of peace and justice in the galaxy? More like protectors of Republic interests of the core worlds. The rest of the galaxy suffered heavily from the unchained scum and villainy. Raids. Piracy. Murder.

One the greatest intellectual pleasures of my adult life is the expansion of my SW literary repertoire and now seeing how many worlds would have cheered an imperial battle group parked in orbit.

Kenobi is my favorite Jedi, but he personifies the arrogance of the later Jedi order. Luminara as well.

/so looking forward to Kenobi
 
3 days ago  
The Jedi were brought down by their own stupidity and for being straight-up shiatbags voluntarily willing to serve as a Praetorian guard for corrupt politicians. They got everything they deserved.
 
2 days ago  
I would say Jar Jar.  He's the one who brought up the vote to give emergency powers to Palpatine.  The senate, controlled by Palpatine, voted in agreement with him.
Jar Jar was tricked into it, but it's still his fault.

To quote a recent, dead meme:  It's an oversimplification of things, but basically true
 
2 days ago  

Rent Party: Nimbull: Honestly he didn't cause the genocide of the Jedi. They brought it on themselves by their own actions. If he wouldn't have died Anikin might have never turned to the dark side like he did because of how differently he could have been trained. Quigon wasn't exactly the standard Jedi at the time.

No shiat.  Blame Yoda if anyone.    He knew the clones had problematic inhibitor chips in their heads, and he knew the clones were produced by Dooku.   And instead of saying "Figure this shiat out, let us.  Trap it must be, unless dumb-ass you are..." he went "No biggie.  Let's cover it up!"


" Not a wartime consigliere, I am. Wars not make one great."
 
2 days ago  
"Hayden Christensen returns as Darth Vader"

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2 days ago  

buntz: I would say Jar Jar.  He's the one who brought up the vote to give emergency powers to Palpatine.  The senate, controlled by Palpatine, voted in agreement with him.
Jar Jar was tricked into it, but it's still his fault.

To quote a recent, dead meme:  It's an oversimplification of things, but basically true


If it hadn't been Jar Jar, it would have been someone else. Jar Jar just made it easier.
 
2 days ago  

palelizard: buntz: I would say Jar Jar.  He's the one who brought up the vote to give emergency powers to Palpatine.  The senate, controlled by Palpatine, voted in agreement with him.
Jar Jar was tricked into it, but it's still his fault.

To quote a recent, dead meme:  It's an oversimplification of things, but basically true

If it hadn't been Jar Jar, it would have been someone else. Jar Jar just made it easier.


But it was Jar Jar.  HE was responsible.
 
2 days ago  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: No, it was George's fault for introducing the Force as a wooly woo-woo concept that helped resolve the plot of the first film,


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Disapproves of 'woo-woo concepts'.
 
2 days ago  

Nimbull: Honestly he didn't cause the genocide of the Jedi. They brought it on themselves by their own actions. If he wouldn't have died Anikin might have never turned to the dark side like he did because of how differently he could have been trained. Quigon wasn't exactly the standard Jedi at the time.


I'm not sure. His shiat training of Obiwan led to further shiat training of Anakin.

Then again, Qui Gon was trained by Dooku, so maybe it was always the plan to train shiat Jedi, all the way down.
 
2 days ago  

lifeslammer: No subby, it was the jedi themselves at fault. They insisted that the universe was black and white and slowly removed every aspect of being a living person who EXPERIENCES LIFE and instead decided on some weird mystical wise man above the world thing. If the jedi and sith had always been one order they would have been perfectly balanced and functioned far better


George Lucas was a weeb before being a weeb was a thing. This type of narrative is very prevalent in the east Asia region.

If taken literally, 1000 years of peace it is quite the achievement for the Galactive Empire. Entropy is inevitable, all governments fall. I suppose if you look at KOTOR, the increasing purity tests was the Jedi downfall. Allowing more flexibility would have saved them.

Story gonna story, however.
 
2 days ago  
I miss when good guys could be good guys.
 
2 days ago  
And while we are at it, bringing Hayden back is not something I would consider a positive by any stretch of the imagination. He's a shiat actor who did nothing for Anakin as a character it took Matt Lantern years to rehabilitate the dude and make him into someone who could believably become Darth Vader.
He's the one I picture as Anakin, not Hayden.
 
2 days ago  

Nimbull: Honestly he didn't cause the genocide of the Jedi. They brought it on themselves by their own actions. If he wouldn't have died Anikin might have never turned to the dark side like he did because of how differently he could have been trained. Quigon wasn't exactly the standard Jedi at the time.


Even then, he couldn't fathom that leaving Anakins mom behind to be a slave might not pan out well

and none of the Jedi could see Palpatine for the sith he really was

maybe all that force stuff ain't as powerful as we thought
 
2 days ago  
The wisest Jedi were Grey.

Qui-gon  Bindo, Luke eventually
 
2 days ago  

MurphyMurphy: The wisest Jedi were Grey.

Qui-gon  Bindo, Luke eventually


Qui-gon wasn't Grey, he was very Light-Side, he just didn't always stick to the Jedi Order code when he thought it conflicted with the Force.
 
2 days ago  

palelizard: MurphyMurphy: The wisest Jedi were Grey.

Qui-gon  Bindo, Luke eventually

Qui-gon wasn't Grey, he was very Light-Side, he just didn't always stick to the Jedi Order code when he thought it conflicted with the Force.


Fight me
 
2 days ago  
Apparently, the Jedi do NOT have a particular set of skills.
 
2 days ago  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: lifeslammer: No subby, it was the jedi themselves at fault. They insisted that the universe was black and white and slowly removed every aspect of being a living person who EXPERIENCES LIFE and instead decided on some weird mystical wise man above the world thing. If the jedi and sith had always been one order they would have been perfectly balanced and functioned far better


No, it was George's fault for introducing the Force as a wooly woo-woo concept that helped resolve the plot of the first film, sensibly avoiding using it for anything outside of Luke/Vader's personal arcs in the next two movies, then making the prequels all about the Jedi/Sith conflict with only a half arsed attempt to develop a cohesive philosophy for either position, culminating with Disney diving right off the farking deep end for the sequels with even less of a plan and the belief that only very special people matter but that everybody is special (except the black guy who doesn't sell well in China).


I was really bummed when I realized Finn wasn't going to become a Jedi. It would have been a fun story if all 3 main characters became a ragtag Jedi troupe.
 
TWX
2 days ago  

flucto: this is all wrong. everyone knows it's Spock's fault


It's like he was brainless at that moment.
 
2 days ago  
Qui Gon turned them from Zen Buddhists into Judeo-Christians.

What is the metaphysical wisdom that you're trying to express. And the metaphysical wisdom from something like Episodes 4, 5, and 6 of "Star Wars" is very different from the metaphysical wisdom behind, I don't know, Frank Herbert's "Dune", is very different from the metaphysical wisdom behind Middle-earth. And so when you understand that, then you can look at episodes 1, 2, and 3 of "Star Wars" and go 'why don't these feel right? Oh! Because they contradict the cosmology of 4, 5, and 6.'

When Luke is running through Dagobah with Yoda on his back, and he asks Yoda in "Empire Strikes Back" 'is the Dark Side stronger?' and Yoda says 'no, not stronger. Easier, quicker, faster because you can use hate, but not stronger than the light side.' Okay? Fast forward to Episode II, you listen to the commentary track of George Lucas, and George Lucas says: 'well, clearly Anakin chose the Dark Side because the Dark Side is stronger.' George, George! Listen to Yoda, he knows what he's talking about, right? You're contradicting yourself. The whole cosmology of 4, 5, and 6 is sort of Taoism and Zen Buddhism. The stuff that's coming out of Yoda's mouth is classic Zen Buddhism. Then everything that's coming out of Qui-Gon's mouth is Abrahamic. It's all about virgin births, and the will of the Force, it's all biblical.

"It is possible to find a way to synchronize those things, too. "The Matrix" does it really well. But it takes a lot of work and George didn't put in that work, so it doesn't fit. So people go 'I don't know, it just feels wrong.' I go: I know EXACTLY why this feels wrong, this is why.
 
2 days ago  

AppleOptionEsc: lifeslammer: No subby, it was the jedi themselves at fault. They insisted that the universe was black and white and slowly removed every aspect of being a living person who EXPERIENCES LIFE and instead decided on some weird mystical wise man above the world thing. If the jedi and sith had always been one order they would have been perfectly balanced and functioned far better

George Lucas was a weeb before being a weeb was a thing. This type of narrative is very prevalent in the east Asia region.

If taken literally, 1000 years of peace it is quite the achievement for the Galactive Empire. Entropy is inevitable, all governments fall. I suppose if you look at KOTOR, the increasing purity tests was the Jedi downfall. Allowing more flexibility would have saved them.

Story gonna story, however.


No, it was the Sith.

Palpatine tricked them with the poison pill army, but what were they going to fight the Separatists with otherwise?

But yeah, I agree, the story did force them to fail.
 
2 days ago  

MurphyMurphy: The wisest Jedi were Grey.

Qui-gon  Bindo, Luke eventually


Grey Jedi is bullshiat for Munchkin Muppets who want their characters to force choke and shoot lightning bolts but still be "good enough guys."
 
2 days ago  

ViciousX: Qui Gon turned them from Zen Buddhists into Judeo-Christians.

What is the metaphysical wisdom that you're trying to express. And the metaphysical wisdom from something like Episodes 4, 5, and 6 of "Star Wars" is very different from the metaphysical wisdom behind, I don't know, Frank Herbert's "Dune", is very different from the metaphysical wisdom behind Middle-earth. And so when you understand that, then you can look at episodes 1, 2, and 3 of "Star Wars" and go 'why don't these feel right? Oh! Because they contradict the cosmology of 4, 5, and 6.'

When Luke is running through Dagobah with Yoda on his back, and he asks Yoda in "Empire Strikes Back" 'is the Dark Side stronger?' and Yoda says 'no, not stronger. Easier, quicker, faster because you can use hate, but not stronger than the light side.' Okay? Fast forward to Episode II, you listen to the commentary track of George Lucas, and George Lucas says: 'well, clearly Anakin chose the Dark Side because the Dark Side is stronger.' George, George! Listen to Yoda, he knows what he's talking about, right? You're contradicting yourself. The whole cosmology of 4, 5, and 6 is sort of Taoism and Zen Buddhism. The stuff that's coming out of Yoda's mouth is classic Zen Buddhism. Then everything that's coming out of Qui-Gon's mouth is Abrahamic. It's all about virgin births, and the will of the Force, it's all biblical.

"It is possible to find a way to synchronize those things, too. "The Matrix" does it really well. But it takes a lot of work and George didn't put in that work, so it doesn't fit. So people go 'I don't know, it just feels wrong.' I go: I know EXACTLY why this feels wrong, this is why.


The prequels take a big dump on everything Yoda taught. But fark it let's have a Christ Allegory for no reason
 
2 days ago  
My theory is that QGJ, in violation of his vows yet inexplicably unable to not ejaculate into the mother of one Anakin Skywalker, is the boy's father.

Years later he finds himself back on a dusty sh*thole with two moons. The boys mother? Just another slave. Surprise! It looks just like him. The so-called midichlorian test? Just a quick DNA comparison, covered up by a lie.

So he drags him back to the temple, has him tested. He's crazy with the force, because he has two force-sensitive parents. Yoda knows, but is too polite to say. Happen often, these things do. Really. Often.

But, QGJ dies. (Spoilers!) Now, Anakin has no parents and is just an angry young man, stuck in an order based on lies, doomed to tread the same path as his father.
 
2 days ago  
"Darth Maul's Lament," by Peter David in his "But I Digress..." column in Comics Buyers Guide, not long after Episode Ⅰ: The Phantom Menace came out:

♪♫ Yes-ter-day__|_, ♫♪
♫♪ Both my low-er limbs were | here to stay__|_, ♪♫
♪♫ Now it looks as though they're | far a-way, ♫♪
♫♪ Oh | I be-lieve in | Yes-ter-day. ♪♫

♪♫ Sud-den-ly__|_, ♫♪
♫♪ I'm just half the man I | used to be__|_. ♪♫
♪♫ 'T'was a Jed-i dang-ling | un-der me, ♫♪
♫♪ But the | ta-bles turned so | sud-den-ly. ♪♫

♪♫ Why_ he_ | sliced me so, ♫♪
♫♪ I don't | know, ♪♫
♪♫ He did-n't | say___. ♫♪
♫♪ I_ killed_ | ol' Qui-Gon, ♪♫
♪♫ Now I | long, ♫♪
♫♪ For Yes-ter-|-day-hay-hay-hay. ♪♫

♪♫ Yes-ter-day__|_, ♫♪
♫♪ I could run and dance and | walk and play__|_, ♪♫
♪♫ Now I need a cart to | get a-way, ♫♪
♫♪ Oh | I be-lieve in | Yes-ter-day. ♪♫
 
2 days ago  

Snapper Carr: nakmuay: strangeguitar: Neeson will definitely be in it. He probably (no definitely) signed an NDA.

Has he ever turned a role down?

When his wife died he threw himself into his work completely to distract himself from the grief.  That's the main reason he was in so many middling action movies for a while.


Weird how well this also describes Vader.
 
2 days ago  
The prequel writing never really supported Anakin's turn to the darkside. No real reason for Anakin to make tough but correct decisions be at odds with the Jedi Council.

So ultimately all you get is a Catholic Church ban against marriages gives you child diddlers. An analogy, if you will. If you accept Anakin's penis is a lightsaber. 😐
 
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