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(National Review)   General Mark Milley warns China and Russia underreport their military defense spending and if you combine his estimate for both countries, it might turn out to be higher than the military defense spending of the United States. EVERYBODY PANIC   (nationalreview.com) divider line
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2021-06-11 6:34:12 AM  
They outa bullets too?
 
2021-06-11 11:58:35 AM  
Maybe they're spending that money...but they ain't spending it on equipment

I wonder where all that money could be going in two countries famous for their graft and opacity?

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2021-06-11 12:00:24 PM  
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2021-06-11 12:00:31 PM  
In Russia you don't fund military. Military - nvm, doesn't make any sense.
 
2021-06-11 12:02:20 PM  
"Fiscal conservatives" never met a raise on military spending they didn't like.
 
2021-06-11 12:03:42 PM  
Well china unlike us can afford to spend the money. Russia use to sell helos and guns to drug dealers so, I wouldn't say they budget well.
 
2021-06-11 12:04:12 PM  
I'm disinclined to buy it
 
2021-06-11 12:05:32 PM  
'"We could cut the Pentagon budget by more than ten percent and still spend more than the next ten largest militaries combined." That wasn't true then, and it's even more evidently false today. '

He says after providing no evidence for his own claims above.
 
2021-06-11 12:05:47 PM  
Like prescription drugs, Americans pay for the R&D while Russia and China steal it at a discount?
 
2021-06-11 12:06:26 PM  
Then we should just lie about our spending and inflate it about 200%.

And spend that money on shiat we need to survive as a country. Like making the Nintendo Powerglove actually work like we all know it should.
 
2021-06-11 12:06:47 PM  
>General Mark Milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, warned that China and Russia together spend more on defense than the United States does "if they put all their cards on the table" during a Senate Armed Services Committee this morning.

And what happens if we put all of our cards on the table?  Hmm?

Are they hiding their nuclear-powered aircraft carrier task forces, too?

Say....Just how many aircraft carriers do I need to protect my student debt and medical bills from the Chinese communists?  ...and why am I paying to do that? Shouldn't the wealthy--who have ever-so-much-more to lose--be happily ponying up the lions share of their incomes to protect that golden goose?

/If the Chinese take over, many of our tax-paying citizens will notice few changes, except they may get cheaper health care and an affordable education.
 
2021-06-11 12:07:47 PM  

ElecricalPast: Maybe they're spending that money...but they ain't spending it on equipment

I wonder where all that money could be going in two countries famous for their graft and opacity?

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It's a scrapyard, do you think the US doesn't scrap old equipment?
 
2021-06-11 12:08:08 PM  
That's an awfully big "might"
 
2021-06-11 12:08:55 PM  
All I'm hearing is "WHAAAAAAAA I WANT MORE TOYS!"

Someone get the general his binkie.
 
2021-06-11 12:11:06 PM  

ElecricalPast: Maybe they're spending that money...but they ain't spending it on equipment

I wonder where all that money could be going in two countries famous for their graft and opacity?

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I mean, make that three countries - isn't there still like 1 to 3 billion dollars or so gone missing from whichever one of the Iraq wars?

not to mention the figurative $500 hammers and $6000 terlet seats.
 
2021-06-11 12:13:31 PM  
How many aircraft carriers do they have? and how many do we have?
 
2021-06-11 12:13:48 PM  
"For FYs 1998-2010 the Department of Defense's financial statements were either unauditable or such that no audit opinion could be expressed."

But I'm sure everything's hunky-dory now.
 
2021-06-11 12:15:17 PM  
Yes, we already have the most powerful military in the world by far - let's just continue to spend more and more on military spending. Never-ending budget increases for that. Let's just go ahead and bankrupt our country, continue to abdicate our responsibilities towards our citizens, and continue being one of the chief global belligerents who supplies arms for regimes around the world to murder and oppress their own people and others.

Surely that's a recipe for success in the future. That's so much better than stopping our destabilizing military actions and subsidies, engaging others and solving problems through diplomacy, and being a responsible nation which provides for it's own citizens - while protected by our already overwhelming military might. Nah, better just keep killing brown people and launching wars every couple years on behalf of American companies and racists. The only way to ever solve problems is through military action, after all.

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2021-06-11 12:15:26 PM  
If that's true, that's a lot of money to spend on one used aircraft carrier without any planes.
 
2021-06-11 12:16:59 PM  
Well all military budgets are not calculated the same. A lot of stuff that is in every US defense bill isnt counted as military budget in China. China's military budget is probably at least 50% of the US budget if not 75% but you can get a lot more from every dollar in China that you can get from Boeing and all those others grifters.

In China, a top defense contractor get paid what? $40 000 a year? A top defense contractor in the US gets paid what? $500 000?

On a money paid vs what you get, China and the US are probably equal or soon to be... but the chinese stuff quality is subpar... for now.
 
2021-06-11 12:20:28 PM  
Why would Russia buy one tank when they can get two thousand Republicans to do what they want with a free meme?
 
2021-06-11 12:20:31 PM  
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2021-06-11 12:27:09 PM  

ElecricalPast: Maybe they're spending that money...but they ain't spending it on equipment

I wonder where all that money could be going in two countries famous for their graft and opacity?

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did he include the pentagons black budget in his $$ the US spends?
 
2021-06-11 12:30:00 PM  

lolmao500: Well all military budgets are not calculated the same. A lot of stuff that is in every US defense bill isnt counted as military budget in China. China's military budget is probably at least 50% of the US budget if not 75% but you can get a lot more from every dollar in China that you can get from Boeing and all those others grifters.

In China, a top defense contractor get paid what? $40 000 a year? A top defense contractor in the US gets paid what? $500 000?

On a money paid vs what you get, China and the US are probably equal or soon to be... but the chinese stuff quality is subpar... for now.


This isn't the '80s anymore.

They have a bigger middle class and upper class than the US now.

They make good money.
 
2021-06-11 12:31:58 PM  

tinderfitles: Why would Russia buy one tank when they can get two thousand Republicans to do what they want with a free meme?


if we cared about defending against actual cyber attacks that are happening today as much as trying to defend against theoretical military threats that are dreamed up by defense contractor salespeople we'd have the most advanced computer security in the world, and the most secure elections - at probably 10% of the cost.
 
2021-06-11 12:34:05 PM  

lolmao500: Well all military budgets are not calculated the same. A lot of stuff that is in every US defense bill isnt counted as military budget in China. China's military budget is probably at least 50% of the US budget if not 75% but you can get a lot more from every dollar in China that you can get from Boeing and all those others grifters.

In China, a top defense contractor get paid what? $40 000 a year? A top defense contractor in the US gets paid what? $500 000?

On a money paid vs what you get, China and the US are probably equal or soon to be... but the chinese stuff quality is subpar... for now.


Based on my recent Amazon.com experiences, I would say the quality of Chinese manufacturing is probably headed the wrong direction.

It's funny though, I remember being super amused early in the 21st century by Samsung's CEO saying his company was going to compete with Sony head-to-head. Samsung is now worth more than 5x Sony. It goes to show what making a serious investment in QA and image can do for a brand. Samsung circa 2000 was basically selling electronic garbage.
 
2021-06-11 12:34:38 PM  

razrez75: In Russia you don't fund military. Military - nvm, doesn't make any sense.


You forgot the word "budget". "In Russia, you don't fund the military budget, the military budget funds you." Makes perfect grift sense.
 
2021-06-11 12:37:23 PM  

New Rising Sun: '"We could cut the Pentagon budget by more than ten percent and still spend more than the next ten largest militaries combined." That wasn't true then, and it's even more evidently false today. '

He says after providing no evidence for his own claims above.


China might have an army of vicious robot Shih Tzus ready to invade the US.  Quick, let's give $500B to Boston Robotics to counter the threat.  You can't be too careful.
 
2021-06-11 12:45:39 PM  

Meatsim1: ElecricalPast: Maybe they're spending that money...but they ain't spending it on equipment

I wonder where all that money could be going in two countries famous for their graft and opacity?

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It's a scrapyard, do you think the US doesn't scrap old equipment?


Hell, we just take new equipment nobody needs out to the desert for storage.  Looking at you, Abrams tank.
 
2021-06-11 12:47:22 PM  
The defense budget is the United State's most successful jobs plan. $500-$700 billion in stimulus spending every year.
 
2021-06-11 12:48:44 PM  

goodncold: lolmao500: Well all military budgets are not calculated the same. A lot of stuff that is in every US defense bill isnt counted as military budget in China. China's military budget is probably at least 50% of the US budget if not 75% but you can get a lot more from every dollar in China that you can get from Boeing and all those others grifters.

In China, a top defense contractor get paid what? $40 000 a year? A top defense contractor in the US gets paid what? $500 000?

On a money paid vs what you get, China and the US are probably equal or soon to be... but the chinese stuff quality is subpar... for now.

This isn't the '80s anymore.

They have a bigger middle class and upper class than the US now.

They make good money.


Their "middle class" is only the middle class relative to life in China less than 20 years ago, and there isn't a single person in the US middle class that would voluntarily accept the decreased quality of life that being in the Chinese middle class would entail. The Chinese government defines incomes between $7,250 and $62,500 USD as middle class, but per Pew, the "upper-middle class" in china has a daily income of $20 to $50 USD (adjusted for purchasing parity.) That puts the annual income for the upper range of China's middle class at under $20,000 per year.
 
2021-06-11 12:51:18 PM  
Not only do we spend a shiat ton on our military, most of the other modern militaries in the world are allies. If you look at a top 10 or even top 20 spenders, you'll see Russia, China, maybe Iran cracks in near the bottom. The rest are US Nato allies, Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Taiwan. Also a couple of neutral countries like India and Brazil, who in spite of pursuing neutral foreign policies, if they were to abandon those stances, are more likely to side with the US than China or Russia in a global conflict
 
2021-06-11 12:55:26 PM  
Wow, a flat-out propaganda piece.  Kudos to the National Review.

"Milley's comments also give lie to the already-deflated, yet still-too-persistent talking point that the U.S. spends more on its military than "the next ten countries combined." That argument was already devoid of meaning because, after all, it said nothing about America's defense needs and capabilities, nor about its adversaries' abilities to threaten its national interest.

Defense-cut advocates just hung that half-baked political argument on a superficial look at nominal defense budgets, without claiming anything specific about U.S. national security.

It makes for a catchy political meme, though. Progressives have recited it as an article of faith for several years, most recently in March, when a group of 50 Democratic lawmakers wrote to Biden about his upcoming budget request: "We could cut the Pentagon budget by more than ten percent and still spend more than the next ten largest militaries combined." That wasn't true then, and it's even more evidently false today."



So we have the chairman of the Joint Chiefs saying that "ermagherd, if you ignore the actual numbers, then Russia and China spend more than us, though I don't have any evidence of this and there is no evidence of this, but this means we don't spend ENOUGH".

And the National Review uses it as a reason to slam anyone claiming the US should cut military spending.

NOT only progressives want that, but it's framed that way in this shiatty article by a shiatty columnist.
 
2021-06-11 1:01:50 PM  

Catlenfell: That's an awfully big "might"


His estimates were provided by a proctologist with a flashlight.
 
2021-06-11 1:08:22 PM  

czei: New Rising Sun: '"We could cut the Pentagon budget by more than ten percent and still spend more than the next ten largest militaries combined." That wasn't true then, and it's even more evidently false today. '

He says after providing no evidence for his own claims above.

China might have an army of vicious robot Shih Tzus ready to invade the US.  Quick, let's give $500B to Boston Robotics to counter the threat.  You can't be too careful.


still, I'd rather see some cute Shih Tzus than those creepy ass-looking MIT/bostondynamics dogcow-gone-wrong-things

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2021-06-11 1:08:39 PM  
If there's one person I can trust to be a straight shooter about America's military budget, it's an American general.
 
2021-06-11 1:12:03 PM  
If the military doesn't have enough money to fight Russia and China maybe it should stop wasting it on avacado toast.
 
2021-06-11 1:12:12 PM  
So many of these scare pieces trying to solicit more money for defense contractors.
 
2021-06-11 1:13:46 PM  

Tremolo: If there's one person I can trust to be a straight shooter about America's military budget, it's an American general.


Not if he's firing an early M16.
 
2021-06-11 1:26:11 PM  
Russia is NOT in the same financial weight class as the US/China. This is silly.
 
2021-06-11 1:26:49 PM  
LOL, yeah, right...  US military spending is higher than Russia's entire GDP.
 
2021-06-11 1:36:43 PM  
The notion that Russia could go dollar-for-dollar in military spending against the US is laughable.  The Russian economy, in terms of GPD is smaller than Worst Korea and only slightly ahead of Oz.  https://statisticstimes.com/econ​omy/pr​ojected-world-gdp-ranking.php

I wouldn't try tangling with the Russians on their turf, but fact is that Russia really has no ability to project power globally like the US does.   No country has that kind of ability.

The general is scaremongering.
 
2021-06-11 1:52:56 PM  
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2021-06-11 2:13:12 PM  

Senseless_drivel: Like prescription drugs, Americans pay for the R&D while Russia and China steal it at a discount? and then hand everything over to private companies who anally rape Americans by jacking up the prices in a way that no other developed country in the world would allow.


Edited your post for clarity.
 
2021-06-11 2:18:23 PM  

ElecricalPast: Maybe they're spending that money...but they ain't spending it on equipment

I wonder where all that money could be going in two countries famous for their graft and opacity?

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Considering how the US spends money on unwanted ships and projects that go so far over budget like the F35 and how the military has never even come close to passing an audit, spending money on equipment isn't the bragging point you seem to think it is....
 
2021-06-11 2:21:25 PM  
I get that it takes a lot of money but just because you spend a lot doesn't mean you're well defended.
 
2021-06-11 2:21:44 PM  
But his boss said no malarkey
 
2021-06-11 2:25:35 PM  

nakmuay: "For FYs 1998-2010 the Department of Defense's financial statements were either unauditable or such that no audit opinion could be expressed."

But I'm sure everything's hunky-dory now.


I'm not sure why defense spending should be auditable. Really, most of our capability should be a question mark, and knowing how many widgets are bought kind of showcases what we have.

I get that you can't hide carrier groups from satellites but we should make most things as opaque as possible just to make our enemies work harder for the information. Accountability is kind of the opposite of what I thought national security was all about.
 
2021-06-11 2:31:32 PM  

ElecricalPast: Maybe they're spending that money...but they ain't spending it on equipment

I wonder where all that money could be going in two countries famous for their graft and opacity?

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I doubt they're spending as much as he thinks. The enemy must be spending more than they are letting on, because he would totes spend more himself than he has right now.
 
2021-06-11 2:34:42 PM  

NoGodsButtMan: nakmuay: "For FYs 1998-2010 the Department of Defense's financial statements were either unauditable or such that no audit opinion could be expressed."

But I'm sure everything's hunky-dory now.

I'm not sure why defense spending should be auditable. Really, most of our capability should be a question mark, and knowing how many widgets are bought kind of showcases what we have.

I get that you can't hide carrier groups from satellites but we should make most things as opaque as possible just to make our enemies work harder for the information. Accountability is kind of the opposite of what I thought national security was all about.


They have a black budget for the sneaky stuff, but the Pentagon also has a pretty long history of financial shenanigans. I'd take the General's statement with a grain of salt, personally.
 
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