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(CNN)   The water wars are starting and if the Branch Dildoians have any say, it'll be parched earth, dead fish, and water for the people who deserve it above all others   (cnn.com) divider line
    More: Scary, Klamath River, Link River, Klamath Reclamation Project, Upper Klamath Lake, Upper Klamath Basin, Klamath County, Oregon, Native Americans in the United States, federal government  
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2021-06-11 10:38:39 AM  
It is often difficult for Americans who have spent their lives on the coasts or east of the Mississippi River to understand that EVERYTHING in the Intermountain West is conditioned by water and its availability or lack thereof. Everything. Economics, religion, politics, ecology, identity.
 
2021-06-11 12:32:18 PM  
Biden needs to get the ball rolling on desalination plants for the west coast and Texas gulf coast before we have a major problem.
 
2021-06-11 12:32:41 PM  

Somacandra: It is often difficult for Americans who have spent their lives on the coasts or east of the Mississippi River to understand that EVERYTHING in the Intermountain West is conditioned by water and its availability or lack thereof. Everything. Economics, religion, politics, ecology, identity.


All of this.

I was just at Hoover Dam. Mead is in trouble. Lowest recorded level since fill dates.
 
2021-06-11 12:33:25 PM  

alechemist: Biden needs to get the ball rolling on desalination plants for the west coast and Texas gulf coast before we have a major problem.


Yes but does anyone Back East with money care?
 
2021-06-11 12:42:17 PM  

Nadie_AZ: alechemist: Biden needs to get the ball rolling on desalination plants for the west coast and Texas gulf coast before we have a major problem.

Yes but does anyone Back East with money care?


Probably when it affects their bank account.
 
2021-06-11 12:46:27 PM  
There are many excellent books on water and politics, economics, war, etc.

Start with this one; it ought to be required reading.

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2021-06-11 12:49:56 PM  
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2021-06-11 12:51:12 PM  

alechemist: Biden needs to get the ball rolling on desalination plants for the west coast and Texas gulf coast before we have a major problem.


But what if instead, Texas spent a billion dollars on an environmentally-disastrous border wall?
 
2021-06-11 12:52:17 PM  
Dude even warned you you'd resent its absence.
 
2021-06-11 12:52:43 PM  
Robert LaVoy Finicum

Never thought I'd hear about the blue tarp guy again.

He's the FOAFO poster boy.
 
2021-06-11 12:52:50 PM  
Local Morons who ignored science and the evidence before their willfully ignorant farking eyes for decades now upset that things are happening that effect them negatively
 
2021-06-11 12:53:20 PM  
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We all know how this ends.
 
2021-06-11 12:53:59 PM  

Lindseys Lil Ladybugs: Robert LaVoy Finicum

Never thought I'd hear about the blue tarp guy again.

He's the FOAFO poster boy.


*FAAFO.

DUMB THUMBS.
 
2021-06-11 12:54:24 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Somacandra: It is often difficult for Americans who have spent their lives on the coasts or east of the Mississippi River to understand that EVERYTHING in the Intermountain West is conditioned by water and its availability or lack thereof. Everything. Economics, religion, politics, ecology, identity.

All of this.

I was just at Hoover Dam. Mead is in trouble. Lowest recorded level since fill dates.


Maybe they can finally tow out that old B-29 then.
 
2021-06-11 12:55:31 PM  
Phoenix should be eliminated. Change my mind.
 
2021-06-11 12:55:40 PM  

Dr Dreidel: alechemist: Biden needs to get the ball rolling on desalination plants for the west coast and Texas gulf coast before we have a major problem.

But what if instead, Texas spent a billion dollars on an environmentally-disastrous border wall?


As someone who has been working with water treatment plants for at least a decade and a half now in the DFW area, kick, etc.
 
2021-06-11 12:56:44 PM  
A couple of sentences from the article need fixing.

One of Bundy's men, Robert LaVoy Finicum, was killed by law enforcement committed suicide by cop during that takeover.

.....

Now, among the posters hanging in Nielsen's Klamath Basin tent is Finicum's rallying cry: "There are things more important than your life and freedom is one of them. I am prepared to defend freedom I farked around and found out!"
 
2021-06-11 12:57:50 PM  
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2021-06-11 12:58:32 PM  
The most important thing is our lawns in the middle of a desert stay green.
 
2021-06-11 12:58:58 PM  
Lemme just dust off the ol stillsuit.
 
2021-06-11 12:59:03 PM  

Ragin' Asian: The most important thing is our lawns in the middle of a desert stay green.


ban golf
 
2021-06-11 12:59:25 PM  

Lindseys Lil Ladybugs: Robert LaVoy Finicum

Never thought I'd hear about the blue tarp guy again.

He's the FOAFO poster boy.


From what I hear, he was a bit of a Mr. Bumble as well. He took on "troubled kids" from the courts, but as soon as they arrived, they were put straight to work on his plantation ranch and worked without pay like slaves. And for each slave he got, Uncle Sucker would send him a sweet sweet check each month. Total scumbag whom I 'm glad AF now roasts in Hell.

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2021-06-11 12:59:50 PM  

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I like Solarbabies more, but then again, Lori Petty.
 
2021-06-11 1:00:11 PM  
"We're here because we're trying to stand up for our private property," Nielsen said. "We've been trying to be nice, but we're getting to the end of the rope. You just go in there and pull the bulkheads and open the headgates."

"We're going to do it peacefully," he added, "unless the federal government turns on us like they usually do."


I suspect that "going in there and pulling the bulkheads open" will be anything but peaceful.
 
2021-06-11 1:00:13 PM  

alechemist: Biden needs to get the ball rolling on desalination plants for the west coast and Texas gulf coast before we have a major problem.


Fark Texas.  If they want water, let em build their own desalination plants.  I mean, they've done so well with their very own power grid...
 
2021-06-11 1:00:21 PM  

rudemix: Local Morons who ignored science and the evidence before their willfully ignorant farking eyes for decades now upset that things are happening that effect them negatively


Now lets fark off some fish species for a temp fix and kick this can down the road a bit.

maybe we can get some water out off all that ammo and bootstraps they have up there.
 
2021-06-11 1:01:07 PM  
Oh great, another Klamath Basin story that leaves out a bunch of important information to turn it into a story about the Bundys.

-The farmers in the area are receiving a $15 million government bailout.

-They were already expecting to receive only 10% of their normal water, so almost nothing got planted. At this point there is nothing to water. Forcing the locks open is beyond pointless.

-Most of the locals want to work with the government and are pissed about a bunch of outsiders coming in and turning an agricultural issue into a "MAH FREEDUMS!" protest.

But, you know, gotta get those clicks, so the story is about redneck farmers versus endangered species and native tribes.
 
2021-06-11 1:02:21 PM  
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2021-06-11 1:02:59 PM  

pacified: Phoenix should be eliminated. Change my mind.


Changed planes through Phoenix en route to the west coast when America West Airlines was still a thing. Even when completely indoors in PH Skyharbor Airport with air conditioning on full blast you learned to stay the Hell away from the windows.

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2021-06-11 1:02:59 PM  
Just a thought, but why didn't they buy farms in areas that naturally had water?  I don't understand why the government has to spend huge sums to turn deserts into arable land when the US has huge swaths of farmland with adequte water supplies.
 
2021-06-11 1:03:17 PM  

alechemist: Biden needs to get the ball rolling on desalination plants for the west coast and Texas gulf coast before we have a major problem.


They choose to live there, they can fund it themselves. CA already is and so is TX, so the FED shouldn't have to do anything.

He simply needs to give a "shoot on site" order for anyone trying to forcefully open the gates.
 
2021-06-11 1:03:36 PM  
Farmers are the most entitled a-holes ever.  While they may have had rights to water for 100 years someone else has had rights for 150 years.  It's a lack of coordination among these rights holders that has exacerbated this issue.  It's why a lot of farmers planted so many Almond trees.  Big money in that and the farmers felt entitled to their full allotment of water at the expense of anyone and everything else.   The farmers would be totally fine with salt from the Bay flooding into the Delta.
 
2021-06-11 1:03:37 PM  
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2021-06-11 1:04:25 PM  

pacified: Phoenix should be eliminated. Change my mind.


I can think of a lot of places that need to be eliminated.  Phoenix is on like page 136 of that list.
 
2021-06-11 1:04:34 PM  

alechemist: Biden needs to get the ball rolling on desalination plants for the west coast and Texas gulf coast before we have a major problem.


Desalination can produce drinking-water levels of clean water. But I don't think any amount of desalination could produce the amount we've been using to make the desert southwest into arable land.
 
2021-06-11 1:04:36 PM  

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I had almost totally forgotten about Solar Babies.  Tank Girl on the other hand is pretty hard to forget
 
2021-06-11 1:06:12 PM  
If you aren't a native, and I mean pre European settler native, local, do you really have water rights?  More like water wants.
 
2021-06-11 1:06:29 PM  
As a Canadianfarker I truly do fear the day that the US decides that they get to decide what to do with the Great Lakes Water.

I might (might?) not be around to see it.
 
2021-06-11 1:07:28 PM  

Great_Milenko: alechemist: Biden needs to get the ball rolling on desalination plants for the west coast and Texas gulf coast before we have a major problem.

Fark Texas.  If they want water, let em build their own desalination plants.  I mean, they've done so well with their very own power grid...


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Ummm, we're fine, thanks for your concern.
 
2021-06-11 1:09:34 PM  
Here...found a more nuanced article from a local source:

https://www.heraldandnews.com/news/lo​c​al_news/few-klamath-project-irrigators​-involved-in-protest-at-canal/article_​5a11a82a-8385-5723-860c-e47715be6b7c.h​tml

I grew up in that area, and as much as I love to dunk on Klamath Falls, most of the farming community isn't as batshiat crazy as some of these news stories would have you believe. Let's go back to making fun of K Falls for their idiots who showed up armed to the teeth to defend against invading busloads of antifa last year.
 
2021-06-11 1:09:43 PM  

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2021-06-11 1:10:27 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Ragin' Asian: The most important thing is our lawns in the middle of a desert stay green.

ban golf


https://www.pga.com/archive/what-its-​p​lay-golf-without-grass
 
2021-06-11 1:11:25 PM  
The hippies in that part of Oregon aren't exactly unarmed pacifists.

This will get interesting.
 
2021-06-11 1:12:15 PM  

RobotSpider: alechemist: Biden needs to get the ball rolling on desalination plants for the west coast and Texas gulf coast before we have a major problem.

Desalination can produce drinking-water levels of clean water. But I don't think any amount of desalination could produce the amount we've been using to make the desert southwest into arable land.


The energy costs are enormous, and the bigger deal on the energy front is getting the water hundreds if not thousands of feet uphill to the farms.
 
2021-06-11 1:12:20 PM  

Maud Dib: Great_Milenko: alechemist: Biden needs to get the ball rolling on desalination plants for the west coast and Texas gulf coast before we have a major problem.

Fark Texas.  If they want water, let em build their own desalination plants.  I mean, they've done so well with their very own power grid...

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I hope y'all have a bicycle-powered water pumps.
 
2021-06-11 1:13:41 PM  

pacified: Phoenix should be eliminated. Change my mind.


Phoenix
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2021-06-11 1:14:29 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Ragin' Asian: The most important thing is our lawns in the middle of a desert stay green.

ban golf


I've been saying that for two decades.
 
2021-06-11 1:14:43 PM  
Here, let me Google that for you:

16 inches of rain and 38 inches of snow per year:
https://www.oregon.gov/bcd/documents/​b​rochures/3660.pdf

From Oregon State University, "In a dryland area, if you grow food you have an ethical responsibility to collect rainwater."

Only evangelicals could be this butthurt over not being able to kill endangered species that they'd ignore mana falling from heaven just to pwn a lib. Unreal.

Rainwater Harvesting Online Course
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2021-06-11 1:14:52 PM  

Somacandra: It is often difficult for Americans who have spent their lives on the coasts or east of the Mississippi River to understand that EVERYTHING in the Intermountain West is conditioned by water and its availability or lack thereof. Everything. Economics, religion, politics, ecology, identity.


So who's Rango in the Branch Dildonian sequal?
 
2021-06-11 1:15:22 PM  
I live on an artesian aquifer and am fearful of the day a corporate giant like Nestlé decides they want to set up a bottling operation to "bring jobs".   the people around here are dumb enough to think that short-term tax revenue trumps long-term viability.
 
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