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(Abc.net.au)   Half of the privately owned firearms in Australia seized in a single raid on a suburban doomsday prepper   (abc.net.au) divider line
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2021-06-11 9:51:13 AM  
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2021-06-11 2:08:10 PM  
"100 rounds of spent .303 calibre"

Why do they care about ammo that has been used? Are they talking about the brass?
 
2021-06-11 2:09:15 PM  

KarmicDisaster: "100 rounds of spent .303 calibre"

Why do they care about ammo that has been used? Are they talking about the brass?


Progressive reloading presses, one with 9mm reloading dies attached, which reloads ammunition
.223 calibre, .303 calibre, .45 calibre and 9mm reloaded dies
.223 calibre, .303 calibre, 12 gauge and 9mm projectiles
Primers
Gun powder
Case preparation tools
 
2021-06-11 2:09:26 PM  
Those are some weak charges. I guess it's a nanny state though so maybe they'll stick.
 
2021-06-11 2:09:41 PM  
When doomsday comes, now who am i going to loot?  Do people never think these things through?
 
2021-06-11 2:09:53 PM  
Right vs. privilege.
 
2021-06-11 2:11:32 PM  
They taught us how to make bullets in Boy Scouts take that authoritarians!
 
2021-06-11 2:14:47 PM  
It's it illegal to reload in Australia?
Because they seized some basic reloading equipment.
 
2021-06-11 2:14:51 PM  
When he gets convicted where will they ship him off to?  He's already in Australia

Don't say U S A
Don't say U S A
 
2021-06-11 2:14:54 PM  

DarnoKonrad: When doomsday comes, now who am i going to loot?  Do people never think these things through?


You rang?
 
2021-06-11 2:14:57 PM  
While I'm not a fan of illegal gun ownership or ammo hoarding, the farking manual to a gun is not "instructions on how to make a gun".

That's like saying the back of a Mac n Cheese box tells you how to extrude your own pasta...
 
2021-06-11 2:15:12 PM  
Wow, you would have thought he'd planned for this somehow.
 
2021-06-11 2:15:24 PM  
Unless you're planning on recruiting a small team of people in the post-apocalypse, having more guns than you can hold and shoot seems unwise.
 
2021-06-11 2:20:09 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Unless you're planning on recruiting a small team of people in the post-apocalypse, having more guns than you can hold and shoot seems unwise.


Does family count as a small team of people?
 
2021-06-11 2:20:14 PM  
Pictures make it look like the cops found two pellet rifles, or maybe single-shot .22s. I guess he could mildly inconvenience some rabbits with those.

The rest of it sounds like the box of misc. gun stuff you can get for $20 at any American garage sale.
 
2021-06-11 2:20:44 PM  
The only item I'd be worried about is the Tommy Gun clone. Everything else falls into hunting/personal defense type weaponry.
 
2021-06-11 2:20:50 PM  
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Pretty weak sauce if the best guns they can come up with for the photo are a break barrel pellet gun (left) and a single shot target rifle (right).
 
2021-06-11 2:21:04 PM  
Silly heads, the guy wasn't even a hobbyist.
And Blueprints for a gun? Is that somehow illegal in Aus?
As in illegal information?
I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to have plans for nuclear weapon, or any other thing, right?
 
2021-06-11 2:23:06 PM  
The scary .50 looks like it is for a single shot rifle. This right here is why gun people don't want to budge on gun control. The anti gun people say they only want your assault rifles and scary guns but once those are gone they start getting their panties in a bunch about hunting rifles and then as the UK has shown once hunting rifles are locked down they start looking for knives.
 
2021-06-11 2:24:38 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Unless you're planning on recruiting a small team of people in the post-apocalypse, having more guns than you can hold and shoot seems unwise.


Lone preppers think they can stay up 24/7 protecting their property.  They'll say things like motion sensors and traps will protect them.  But, the fact is, 2 or 3 intruders could easily overwhelm them.  The neighborhood that bands together and shares resources are the ones that will come out on top.
 
2021-06-11 2:25:44 PM  
Ah yes, police posing with air rifles, random loose ammunition, and some gun diagrams.

Like, if they'd rode in on a brace of Kalashnikovs and a trunk full of loaded magazines, ok fine, you get to look badass.

Confiscating random shiat not on old man's paperwork doesn't get you style points. It might be legal, it might be justified, it's not the US and things work differently, but nobody is going to think you did anything badass there, c'mon.
 
2021-06-11 2:25:46 PM  
Australia has the right idea.
 
2021-06-11 2:27:13 PM  
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I'd let Constable Tom Smrcek seize my gun.

/IYKWIMAITYD
//Happy Pride, everyone
///threes
 
2021-06-11 2:28:43 PM  

Private_Citizen: It's it illegal to reload in Australia?
Because they seized some basic reloading equipment.


Looked into it a bit.
Apparently, you need a license for every type of gun, with air rifles and single shot .22's at class "A", all the way up to handguns at class "H".

If you don't a license for a class of weapon, you can't have the ammo (or ammo components) either. Sounds like this guy didn't even have a class "A" license, so Everything he had was illegal - even the spent handgun brass.
 
2021-06-11 2:32:10 PM  

I Love You You Pay My Rent: HotWingConspiracy: Unless you're planning on recruiting a small team of people in the post-apocalypse, having more guns than you can hold and shoot seems unwise.

Does family count as a small team of people?


Anyone with hands would qualify, but you had better trust them before handing them a loaded gun.
 
2021-06-11 2:32:42 PM  
If not for the guy that built the Owen submachine gun WW2 could have turned out much differently.  He too was a backyard gunsmith.

Having an Interest in firearms 'beyond what is acceptable' saved lives 60 years ago.
 
2021-06-11 2:36:10 PM  
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2021-06-11 2:36:50 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Unless you're planning on recruiting a small team of people in the post-apocalypse, having more guns than you can hold and shoot seems unwise.


Can you swing more than one golf club at a time?

Guns are optimized for different things, just like golf clubs.  You don't putt with a 9 iron, do you?

Let's take a classic example, deer hunting.  It's common in my area (upstate NY) for people to have 3 or 4 guns just for hunting deer.  They'll have a flat shooting scoped bolt action for farm areas where you might take a shot at distances of 100 yards or more.

Then they'll have a carbine of some sort, generally with iron sights but occasionally a low power optic, in a less powerful cartridge, for hunting in wooded areas where you don't get long shots.  Traditionally that would be a lever action in .30-30, but recently semi-autos like the AR-15 in .300 Blackout have become more popular.  Prior to that, I'd see SKSs and the occasional AK in 7.62x39mm being used as brush/swamp deer rifles.

Then they'll have a muzzleloader, probably a modern inline one, for the special muzzleloader only deer seasons.

If they hunt downstate in the shotgun only areas, they'll have a shotgun, usually with a rifled slug barrel.

And I haven't even mentioned handgun hunting.
 
2021-06-11 2:37:43 PM  
Amateur.  Sounds like he just had the NRA starter kit.
 
2021-06-11 2:40:40 PM  

Bertuccio: While I'm not a fan of illegal gun ownership or ammo hoarding, the farking manual to a gun is not "instructions on how to make a gun".

That's like saying the back of a Mac n Cheese box tells you how to extrude your own pasta...


Depends.

Weapons as Political Protest: P.A. Luty's Submachine Gun
Youtube sIhGCRIQnCA


However, even that information in the US would be protected by the First Amendment.
 
2021-06-11 2:43:33 PM  

Watubi: HotWingConspiracy: Unless you're planning on recruiting a small team of people in the post-apocalypse, having more guns than you can hold and shoot seems unwise.

Lone preppers think they can stay up 24/7 protecting their property.  They'll say things like motion sensors and traps will protect them.  But, the fact is, 2 or 3 intruders could easily overwhelm them.  The neighborhood that bands together and shares resources are the ones that will come out on top.


One of my customers is insanely wealthy and he has this elaborate panic room setup with an escape tunnel that goes out to the middle of a cornfield behind his house. Every time I go there he opens the door and I can't help but think how easy it would be to just shoot him in the face. Maybe it's because I've played way too much of those Hitman games but there's just something about somebody thinking they are ready for anything that just makes me think of ways I could kill them.
 
2021-06-11 2:43:54 PM  
I mean, wow. Last time my brother came to visit me, he had more than what they seized in his Honda Accord. He stopped by to help hang ceiling fans while moving from Dahlonega to Texas.
 
2021-06-11 2:46:58 PM  

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: Unless you're planning on recruiting a small team of people in the post-apocalypse, having more guns than you can hold and shoot seems unwise.

Can you swing more than one golf club at a time?

Guns are optimized for different things, just like golf clubs.  You don't putt with a 9 iron, do you?

Let's take a classic example, deer hunting.  It's common in my area (upstate NY) for people to have 3 or 4 guns just for hunting deer.  They'll have a flat shooting scoped bolt action for farm areas where you might take a shot at distances of 100 yards or more.

Then they'll have a carbine of some sort, generally with iron sights but occasionally a low power optic, in a less powerful cartridge, for hunting in wooded areas where you don't get long shots.  Traditionally that would be a lever action in .30-30, but recently semi-autos like the AR-15 in .300 Blackout have become more popular.  Prior to that, I'd see SKSs and the occasional AK in 7.62x39mm being used as brush/swamp deer rifles.

Then they'll have a muzzleloader, probably a modern inline one, for the special muzzleloader only deer seasons.

If they hunt downstate in the shotgun only areas, they'll have a shotgun, usually with a rifled slug barrel.

And I haven't even mentioned handgun hunting.


Don't forget the gun for "To Whom it May Concern"

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2021-06-11 2:47:03 PM  
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2021-06-11 2:49:11 PM  

Bertuccio: While I'm not a fan of illegal gun ownership or ammo hoarding, the farking manual to a gun is not "instructions on how to make a gun".

That's like saying the back of a Mac n Cheese box tells you how to extrude your own pasta...


Sig Sauer was kind enough to include "instructions" in their manual on how to make another P227 if I wanted to:

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2021-06-11 2:50:50 PM  
Oh dear God. Australians would faint if they saw my basement, and I'm not even a blip on the radar. Hell, they'd probably go apoplectic if I emptied my pocket right now.
 
2021-06-11 2:51:14 PM  
A 72-year-old man has been accused of gathering the munitions at his Willetton property along with tinned food, water and other materials akin to a "doomsday prepper".

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2021-06-11 2:54:25 PM  

you need help: Those are some weak charges. I guess it's a nanny state though so maybe they'll stick.


Ooh, a couple of hunting rifles! Scary!
Big gun collections, whatever the intent, don't scare me. Because once you get past two, you're out of hands. So it doesn't matter to me if they find a guy with 3 or 30 guns.

"Among about 5,000 rounds of ammunition seized were some "military-grade" .50 calibre rounds."

1st, does he even have anything to shoot those rounds, or is he just gonna chuck them at people?  2nd, any time I hear 'military-grade', I equate that with 'Lowest bidder'. Military grade is not a ranking of something that I strive for.
I'm thinking Wolf ammo, not Hornady.
 
2021-06-11 2:56:05 PM  

NM Volunteer: Australia has the right idea.


How many Americans do you want to jail or kill to make it happen?

Difficulty: if it's over 4 million, we're going to compare you to Hitler.

/it's guaranteed to be over 4 million.  40 million would be closer.
 
2021-06-11 2:56:09 PM  
Ammunition:
1,481 rounds of live 9mm
1,397 rounds of spent 9mm
672 rounds of live .303 calibre
100 rounds of spent .303 calibre
16 rounds of live .303 calibre blank firing
108 rounds of live 12-gauge
12 rounds of live .222 calibre
136 rounds of live .223 calibre

912 rounds of spent .223 calibre
6 rounds of live .44-40 calibre
1 round of live .455 calibre
33 rounds of live .50 calibre


That's it? Counting only live rounds, that's hardly a day at the range.
 
2021-06-11 2:59:35 PM  

Whatthefark: 672 rounds of live .303 calibre


Be fair. 303 isn't cheap or easy to get anymore, and hasn't been for a long time.  I've got three Lee-enfields to feed, and 600 rounds of 303 is a lot more than 1 day at the range.
 
2021-06-11 2:59:46 PM  

RTOGUY: Watubi: HotWingConspiracy: Unless you're planning on recruiting a small team of people in the post-apocalypse, having more guns than you can hold and shoot seems unwise.

Lone preppers think they can stay up 24/7 protecting their property.  They'll say things like motion sensors and traps will protect them.  But, the fact is, 2 or 3 intruders could easily overwhelm them.  The neighborhood that bands together and shares resources are the ones that will come out on top.

One of my customers is insanely wealthy and he has this elaborate panic room setup with an escape tunnel that goes out to the middle of a cornfield behind his house. Every time I go there he opens the door and I can't help but think how easy it would be to just shoot him in the face. Maybe it's because I've played way too much of those Hitman games but there's just something about somebody thinking they are ready for anything that just makes me think of ways I could kill them.


I keep seeing a guy at the local hardware store that open carries.  I keep wondering: this is a store full of potential weapons.  How willing is that guy to hang onto his hip-penis when someone gets him from behind with a hammer?
 
2021-06-11 3:04:32 PM  

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: Unless you're planning on recruiting a small team of people in the post-apocalypse, having more guns than you can hold and shoot seems unwise.

Can you swing more than one golf club at a time?

Guns are optimized for different things, just like golf clubs.  You don't putt with a 9 iron, do you?


I do, but it's frowned upon.

Let's take a classic example, deer hunting.  It's common in my area (upstate NY) for people to have 3 or 4 guns just for hunting deer.  They'll have a flat shooting scoped bolt action for farm areas where you might take a shot at distances of 100 yards or more.

Then they'll have a carbine of some sort, generally with iron sights but occasionally a low power optic, in a less powerful cartridge, for hunting in wooded areas where you don't get long shots.  Traditionally that would be a lever action in .30-30, but recently semi-autos like the AR-15 in .300 Blackout have become more popular.  Prior to that, I'd see SKSs and the occasional AK in 7.62x39mm being used as brush/swamp deer rifles.

Then they'll have a muzzleloader, probably a modern inline one, for the special muzzleloader only deer seasons.

If they hunt downstate in the shotgun only areas, they'll have a shotgun, usually with a rifled slug barrel.

And I haven't even mentioned handgun hunting.


I get there are different tools for different jobs, but I feel like fending off starving and confused humans would be your primary use application in the apocalypse.
 
2021-06-11 3:06:43 PM  

FarknGroovn: If not for the guy that built the Owen submachine gun WW2 could have turned out much differently.  He too was a backyard gunsmith.

Having an Interest in firearms 'beyond what is acceptable' saved lives 60 years ago.


The guy who was key for many of the UK's electronic warfare defenses was a avid pistol shooter. Nowadays he'd have just left for the US. V1's and V2's would have been much more effective.

Australia's long term survival means civilians owning/whatever military grade weapons again. Whatever = alternative model for armed civilians.

Not having gunsmiths is gonna hurt. farking soy boy web developer information economy shiat will design a gun that the trigger moves away as you reach for it. It will also boast 15 manual safeties cause safety. Automatic safeties are simply manual safeties with a spring to flip it on. It will need upgrades before it can shoot. It will be biometrically locked but the needed batteries can't be bought from China. It can't have a flash hider cause it needs Adobe Flash to run. Clip only holds one round cause why do you need more?
 
2021-06-11 3:09:56 PM  

FarknGroovn: If not for the guy that built the Owen submachine gun WW2 could have turned out much differently.  He too was a backyard gunsmith.

Having an Interest in firearms 'beyond what is acceptable' saved lives 60 years ago.


I'm sorry what
 
2021-06-11 3:10:15 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Oh dear God. Australians would faint if they saw my basement, and I'm not even a blip on the radar. Hell, they'd probably go apoplectic if I emptied my pocket right now.


Most people in most countries would.
 
2021-06-11 3:10:57 PM  

Amelia Earhart's Black Box: FarknGroovn: If not for the guy that built the Owen submachine gun WW2 could have turned out much differently.  He too was a backyard gunsmith.

Having an Interest in firearms 'beyond what is acceptable' saved lives 60 years ago.

The guy who was key for many of the UK's electronic warfare defenses was a avid pistol shooter. Nowadays he'd have just left for the US. V1's and V2's would have been much more effective.

Australia's long term survival means civilians owning/whatever military grade weapons again. Whatever = alternative model for armed civilians.

Not having gunsmiths is gonna hurt. farking soy boy web developer information economy shiat will design a gun that the trigger moves away as you reach for it. It will also boast 15 manual safeties cause safety. Automatic safeties are simply manual safeties with a spring to flip it on. It will need upgrades before it can shoot. It will be biometrically locked but the needed batteries can't be bought from China. It can't have a flash hider cause it needs Adobe Flash to run. Clip only holds one round cause why do you need more?


I'm sorry did you really legitimately just use the phrase "soy boy"
 
2021-06-11 3:12:42 PM  

Mega Steve: dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: Unless you're planning on recruiting a small team of people in the post-apocalypse, having more guns than you can hold and shoot seems unwise.

Can you swing more than one golf club at a time?

Guns are optimized for different things, just like golf clubs.  You don't putt with a 9 iron, do you?

Let's take a classic example, deer hunting.  It's common in my area (upstate NY) for people to have 3 or 4 guns just for hunting deer.  They'll have a flat shooting scoped bolt action for farm areas where you might take a shot at distances of 100 yards or more.

Then they'll have a carbine of some sort, generally with iron sights but occasionally a low power optic, in a less powerful cartridge, for hunting in wooded areas where you don't get long shots.  Traditionally that would be a lever action in .30-30, but recently semi-autos like the AR-15 in .300 Blackout have become more popular.  Prior to that, I'd see SKSs and the occasional AK in 7.62x39mm being used as brush/swamp deer rifles.

Then they'll have a muzzleloader, probably a modern inline one, for the special muzzleloader only deer seasons.

If they hunt downstate in the shotgun only areas, they'll have a shotgun, usually with a rifled slug barrel.

And I haven't even mentioned handgun hunting.

Don't forget the gun for "To Whom it May Concern"

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I punted on that one.
 
2021-06-11 3:14:05 PM  
I, for one, feel safer.
In the US.
Where I don't have to fear getting caught with a diagram of a submachine gun I'll never build...
 
2021-06-11 3:15:13 PM  
It's wild to me that American gun owners can go full Skinner on this. "Is my personal arsenal unreasonable? No, it's the other countries who are wrong."

Far be it for me to make an argument from numbers, but if basically the entire world thinks your obsession with guns is creepy and unhinged, maybe there's something to their opinions.
 
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