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2021-06-11 3:50:28 AM  
I hate a number like 12. Start with 8 and see how that goes first.
 
2021-06-11 4:15:38 AM  
Doesn't seem bad.  At least it gets right the things that irritate me about every other college football post season ever.

1. Doesn't categorically rule out a whole class of teams. None outside of the Power 5 and Notre Dame currently has any shot at a championship, now they do.  Future UCFays can lose the championship on the field like God intended.

2. Usually gives all teams with a legitimate argument a chance.  Too many teams in history were denied a champtionship, or chance at a championship, on popularity grounds alone.  Four was better than two but not quite enough, especially given the way some late season drama has unfolded lately.

3. Not so many teams it's ridiculous.  Sixteen is approaching too many, I'd probably only go with that if they gave every champion an automatic berth.  (Thus the balance compared to this would be Sun Belt, WAC, CUSA champions, and whichever of AAC or MWC didn't get the last auto berth.)
 
2021-06-11 7:11:38 AM  
As a big fan of blandness who subsists on a watery paste which possesses no taste or smell I think it is a great idea to further lessen the importance of what was a unique regular season. To treat myself after hearing this great news I'm going to live dangerously and pick up some mild wings for dinner tonight.

"Woody, you're so smart. Aren't you glad that University of Central Florida and teams like that now have a shot?"

They had a shot before, their weak Strength of Schedule kept them out.

"Woody, you're the most handsome man who has ever lived. Nobody would play teams like UCF, it isn't their fault their SoS was weak."

In every instance I can think of that people who incorrectly think an undefeated regular season means something it does not, opportunities to improve their SoS were turned down.

"Woody, you make James Dean look like a square. Don't more games mean more excitement?"

The games already meant something which made them exciting because of the stakes. Those early season games for Ohio State against Alabama, Cal, Georgia, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas, USC, and Washington had/have implications.

I want potentially losing against Oregon in a few months to mean Ohio State has no shot at a national title, I like games that matter instead of seeing people talk about seeding. *yawn* Who cares about seeds?

"Woody, how is it possible to be as awesome as you are and still be so humble? More games mean more excitement, isn't March Madness great?"

Off the top of your head, name five college basketball players who played last year. You can't, because you don't care about college basketball.

"Woody, you're right and you're always right."

I know but nobody likes a sycophant, go play in traffic.
 
2021-06-11 7:52:41 AM  

kdawg7736: I hate a number like 12. Start with 8 and see how that goes first.


Very much this.  8 was the way to go, but of course the NCAA is going to fark up and jump right past the sweet spot.

I'd have taken 6 as well, with byes.  12 is just dumb.
 
2021-06-11 8:04:14 AM  
Make it like high school basketball playoffs, everybody gets in. Playoffs start September 15th. Teams should be able to play two regular season games by then.
 
2021-06-11 8:08:27 AM  

kdawg7736: I hate a number like 12. Start with 8 and see how that goes first.


Or you could go with 16. You know, all 14 SEC teams and a couple of posers.
 
2021-06-11 8:13:47 AM  
They really need to do something because even with choosing the 4 'best' way too many games have ended in blowouts and no real upsets.
 
2021-06-11 8:21:02 AM  
That's the great thing about having a monopolistic system where government (in this case) rigidly controls the compensation - you can up the expected production and not have to pay labor anything more.

I mean, fark it, let's just do year-round football.  52 games, one per week.  If the kids don't like it they can leave.
 
2021-06-11 8:32:19 AM  
As college football strives to be more and more like the NFL, it ceases to have any interest to me.

If I wanted to watch the NFL, it already exists and I can watch a pretty significant percentage of games (and virtually all the playoff games) on free TV.

NCAA brings a lower quality of player and continues to take away everything that made it interesting (increased style variations, regional non-conference rivalries, a regular season where any loss could eliminate you from title contention) to make it more like the NFL (homogenized play styles, largely meaningless regular season, all the teams are pretty interchangeable). There are more ads than ever, everything is sponsored and whored out...

NCAA football no longer really provides any advantages over the NFL except that there are more in-person locations. Hell, tickets aren't even cheaper.

Of course, it's kinda like watching junior hockey as an adult, too. Feels really kinda gross to see a bunch of kids fighting or injuring one another for your amusement.
 
2021-06-11 8:35:35 AM  

FLMountainMan: That's the great thing about having a monopolistic system where government (in this case) rigidly controls the compensation - you can up the expected production and not have to pay labor anything more.


Except, in the real world, the exact opposite happens. Or have you not seen the pictures of businesses sniveling that no one wants to work there at their current wage scale anymore?

But, hey, you got to bring a shiatty political take into a sports thread so *yay*.
 
2021-06-11 8:37:48 AM  
8 would have been the right number, but I can get behind 12.  The G5 teams will finally have access to the title game.  Right now, they have zero chance.
 
2021-06-11 8:52:22 AM  

Gonz: FLMountainMan: That's the great thing about having a monopolistic system where government (in this case) rigidly controls the compensation - you can up the expected production and not have to pay labor anything more.

Except, in the real world, the exact opposite happens. Or have you not seen the pictures of businesses sniveling that no one wants to work there at their current wage scale anymore?

But, hey, you got to bring a shiatty political take into a sports thread so *yay*.


Do you think we disagree?  Because I think you're proving my point.
 
2021-06-11 8:58:49 AM  
There are only 3 teams that are competitive with each other.  Ohio State, Clemson and Alabama, you might slide another SEC team in for Alabama every 5 years but that's it that's the list.

Dilute the playoffs and the regular season at your peril NCAA, but at least you'll get paid.
 
2021-06-11 9:12:59 AM  

downstairs: kdawg7736: I hate a number like 12. Start with 8 and see how that goes first.

Very much this.  8 was the way to go, but of course the NCAA is going to fark up and jump right past the sweet spot.

I'd have taken 6 as well, with byes.  12 is just dumb.


8 or 16. None of this stupid 12 shiat.  And stupid 12 shiat is still better than 4.
 
2021-06-11 9:14:22 AM  
can't pay the players, there's no money
 
2021-06-11 9:29:12 AM  
This is going to be such a shiatshow. The regular season means nothing now, and they might as well cancel all the other bowl games for teams that don't make the 12.

It will be so great seeing 8-4 teams have a shot to be "national champion" though :/
 
2021-06-11 9:30:46 AM  

PluckYew: There are only 3 teams that are competitive with each other.  Ohio State, Clemson and Alabama, you might slide another SEC team in for Alabama every 5 years but that's it that's the list.

Dilute the playoffs and the regular season at your peril NCAA, but at least you'll get paid.


This actually a step towards breaking the stranglehold of those three teams.

The problem right now is that the big 3 are the only teams that can consistently compete for the title so they get the best recruits and since they have a monopoly on the top recruits they can continue to compete for the title.

By opening up the playoffs more schools will be in a position to challenge for the title and thus should be able to better pitch themselves to recruits
 
2021-06-11 9:31:25 AM  
Can't wait for all the sports talk radio and tv shows to have endless biatching and complaining of how the 13th team is getting screwed out of the playoffs, and how unfair it is.
 
2021-06-11 9:32:01 AM  
Genius. How many meaningless bowl games now get to be converted into "playoff games" and with additional media attention and increased tv revenue.
 
2021-06-11 9:32:19 AM  

Christian Bale: This is going to be such a shiatshow. The regular season means nothing now, and they might as well cancel all the other bowl games for teams that don't make the 12.

It will be so great seeing 8-4 teams have a shot to be "national champion" though :/


The regular season will only eliminate 148 teams.  Totally pointless.
 
2021-06-11 9:42:20 AM  

Christian Bale: This is going to be such a shiatshow. The regular season means nothing now, and they might as well cancel all the other bowl games for teams that don't make the 12.

It will be so great seeing 8-4 teams have a shot to be "national champion" though :/


Sure, but it will be 8-4 SEC teams
 
2021-06-11 9:43:32 AM  

JJRRutgers: 8 would have been the right number, but I can get behind 12.  The G5 teams will finally have access to the title game.  Right now, they have zero chance.


Realistically. Do they have a possibility of beating the top 2 teams in any given year?
 
2021-06-11 9:53:30 AM  
The only problem I have with it is that if a team tanked 5-12 makes it to the Championship game it will play 4 extra games beyond the regular season. That seems like a lot for college kids
 
2021-06-11 10:02:38 AM  

Christian Bale: and they might as well cancel all the other bowl games for teams that don't make the 12.


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2021-06-11 10:22:48 AM  

kdawg7736: I hate a number like 12. Start with 8 and see how that goes first.


How about "They should've started at 8 to begin with...or at least 6 with the bottom 4 teams playing in the first round?"
 
2021-06-11 10:26:57 AM  
How about make every team have to go through a traditional pre-BCS era bowl matchup, and take the top 4 ranked bowl winners (or top 3 and an undefeated G5 team), and put them in a 4 team playoff.
 
2021-06-11 10:29:33 AM  

IAmRight: As college football strives to be more and more like the NFL, it ceases to have any interest to me.

If I wanted to watch the NFL, it already exists and I can watch a pretty significant percentage of games (and virtually all the playoff games) on free TV.

NCAA brings a lower quality of player and continues to take away everything that made it interesting (increased style variations, regional non-conference rivalries, a regular season where any loss could eliminate you from title contention) to make it more like the NFL (homogenized play styles, largely meaningless regular season, all the teams are pretty interchangeable). There are more ads than ever, everything is sponsored and whored out...

NCAA football no longer really provides any advantages over the NFL except that there are more in-person locations. Hell, tickets aren't even cheaper.

Of course, it's kinda like watching junior hockey as an adult, too. Feels really kinda gross to see a bunch of kids fighting or injuring one another for your amusement.


Remember how moguls keep creating these "alternate leagues" to the NFL?  I can guarantee that, within a generation, you're going to see an alternate, semi-pro football league that allows HS players to come out and play, with college rules and getting paid without the whole charade about "getting a college education".

Somebody's going to draw it up, realize that you can play recruits a decent amount without breaking the bank, have relations with the NFL for better scouting methods and closer scrutiny.

It's going to happen and, when it does, every major college football factory is going to shiat their pants in a spectacular way and the boosters will lose their farking minds because they'll realize that, unless they come up with the plan first, the schools they support are going to get farked badly.
 
2021-06-11 10:46:35 AM  
As long as we have a committee choosing teams, this is going to fix nothing. It'll make money, though, so that's nice. I guess.

You want something legitimate? Conference champions get in, everyone else goes the fark home. Seeding based on strength of schedule. Everything is decided on the field. The regular season matters, championships matter.
 
2021-06-11 10:47:29 AM  

Rwa2play: IAmRight: As college football strives to be more and more like the NFL, it ceases to have any interest to me.

If I wanted to watch the NFL, it already exists and I can watch a pretty significant percentage of games (and virtually all the playoff games) on free TV.

NCAA brings a lower quality of player and continues to take away everything that made it interesting (increased style variations, regional non-conference rivalries, a regular season where any loss could eliminate you from title contention) to make it more like the NFL (homogenized play styles, largely meaningless regular season, all the teams are pretty interchangeable). There are more ads than ever, everything is sponsored and whored out...

NCAA football no longer really provides any advantages over the NFL except that there are more in-person locations. Hell, tickets aren't even cheaper.

Of course, it's kinda like watching junior hockey as an adult, too. Feels really kinda gross to see a bunch of kids fighting or injuring one another for your amusement.

Remember how moguls keep creating these "alternate leagues" to the NFL?  I can guarantee that, within a generation, you're going to see an alternate, semi-pro football league that allows HS players to come out and play, with college rules and getting paid without the whole charade about "getting a college education".

Somebody's going to draw it up, realize that you can play recruits a decent amount without breaking the bank, have relations with the NFL for better scouting methods and closer scrutiny.

It's going to happen and, when it does, every major college football factory is going to shiat their pants in a spectacular way and the boosters will lose their farking minds because they'll realize that, unless they come up with the plan first, the schools they support are going to get farked badly.


College fans care about the jersey not the kid wearing it for a couple years.
 
2021-06-11 11:03:14 AM  
12 seems like a lot for me too but I think it makes sense because having a first round bye for the top 4 teams will make the games later in the season still matter. So you gotta go with 12 with a top 4 bye instead of 8. I know there will be lots of complaints but if you look at the match ups that would have been created the last couple years with a post season like this, it would have made for some really interesting football. A lot more interesting than seeing Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and Oklahoma play every single year. This means more football, so stop complaining.
 
2021-06-11 11:06:04 AM  
Better than what we have now, 16 would be ideal though.
 
2021-06-11 11:33:00 AM  
The best solution will only happen when folks can't complain about teams being left out of the playoff.  I thought 8 could solve that problem.  There will still be critics opining why their 13th- or 14th-ranked teams were snubbed, and a collective of everyone else can say, 'tough shiat!'
 
2021-06-11 11:47:03 AM  
A few folks have commented on the regular season. To that, in regards to the top level of college football, I ask, what regular season?

When no games have been played, when all teams are 0-0, there are already teams mathematically eliminated from the championship.

I know there are challenges particular to college football with the disparity of talent between the top and bottom teams and the spread between the number of teams and number of games. (An NBA or NHL team can play every other team in the league over a season. An NFL team plays over 40% of the other teams. A college football won't play even 10% of the other teams.) This is why we get polls and calculated rankings rather than strictly using win-loss records.

But if teams are eliminated before a single game is played, then what we have is not a regular season. That's a play off system with a losers bracket for games that have no play in deciding the champion.
 
2021-06-11 11:52:23 AM  
Fark no.  The best part about college football is how important regular season games are.  They've already been watered down quite a bit with the 4 team playoff.  12 teams?  Nobody will schedule anyone in non conference, ever.  Please, God, no.
 
2021-06-11 12:00:49 PM  

OptionC: PluckYew: There are only 3 teams that are competitive with each other.  Ohio State, Clemson and Alabama, you might slide another SEC team in for Alabama every 5 years but that's it that's the list.

Dilute the playoffs and the regular season at your peril NCAA, but at least you'll get paid.

This actually a step towards breaking the stranglehold of those three teams.

The problem right now is that the big 3 are the only teams that can consistently compete for the title so they get the best recruits and since they have a monopoly on the top recruits they can continue to compete for the title.

By opening up the playoffs more schools will be in a position to challenge for the title and thus should be able to better pitch themselves to recruits


Or just get rid of the playoff entirely and stop being obsessed with money.

/lol I know, everything has to be done for more and more money, otherwise is it even worth doing?
 
2021-06-11 12:16:33 PM  
I have a better idea.

How about we just have every team play every another team in December/January, and then have a select committee choose who the champion is?
 
2021-06-11 12:22:09 PM  

LL316: Fark no.  The best part about college football is how important regular season games are.  They've already been watered down quite a bit with the 4 team playoff.  12 teams?  Nobody will schedule anyone in non conference, ever.  Please, God, no.


I will say that there's more incentive to play better non-conference with expanded playoffs because a win will help a lot and a loss won't necessarily hurt.
 
2021-06-11 12:29:49 PM  
Does it matter if I'm ready?  It's not like they're going to take my opinion into consideration.
 
2021-06-11 12:30:39 PM  
Nice, UGA is going to get more chances to choke in games that matter.
 
2021-06-11 12:32:02 PM  

Curt Blizzah: The best solution will only happen when folks can't complain about teams being left out of the playoff.  I thought 8 could solve that problem.  There will still be critics opining why their 13th- or 14th-ranked teams were snubbed, and a collective of everyone else can say, 'tough shiat!'


There will always be complaints about when the next teams aren't in the playoffs.

But, the goal should be 1) every team with a realistic shot at winning gets in and 2) any of the high level programs have a reasonable shot of getting into the playoffs.
 
2021-06-11 12:56:46 PM  

dywed88: Curt Blizzah: The best solution will only happen when folks can't complain about teams being left out of the playoff.  I thought 8 could solve that problem.  There will still be critics opining why their 13th- or 14th-ranked teams were snubbed, and a collective of everyone else can say, 'tough shiat!'

There will always be complaints about when the next teams aren't in the playoffs.

But, the goal should be 1) every team with a realistic shot at winning gets in and 2) any of the high level programs have a reasonable shot of getting into the playoffs.


So 3 team playoff with Bama, OSU, and Clemson?
 
2021-06-11 1:01:23 PM  

dywed88: Curt Blizzah: The best solution will only happen when folks can't complain about teams being left out of the playoff.  I thought 8 could solve that problem.  There will still be critics opining why their 13th- or 14th-ranked teams were snubbed, and a collective of everyone else can say, 'tough shiat!'

There will always be complaints about when the next teams aren't in the playoffs.

But, the goal should be 1) every team with a realistic shot at winning gets in and 2) any of the high level programs have a reasonable shot of getting into the playoffs.


There will always be complaints when a selection committee is using subjective judgement to decide. No one complains about who gets into the NFL playoffs because it's decided on the field.
 
2021-06-11 1:10:43 PM  

meanmutton: dywed88: Curt Blizzah: The best solution will only happen when folks can't complain about teams being left out of the playoff.  I thought 8 could solve that problem.  There will still be critics opining why their 13th- or 14th-ranked teams were snubbed, and a collective of everyone else can say, 'tough shiat!'

There will always be complaints about when the next teams aren't in the playoffs.

But, the goal should be 1) every team with a realistic shot at winning gets in and 2) any of the high level programs have a reasonable shot of getting into the playoffs.

There will always be complaints when a selection committee is using subjective judgement to decide. No one complains about who gets into the NFL playoffs because it's decided on the field.


That's untrue.

People complain about crappy division winners getting in all the time.

It's just that there's really no one to complain to or about, so it's written off as shouting at clouds.

It's why robot umps wouldn't be much fun. They could f*ck up all the time and there would never be any satisfaction of at least getting grievances off your chest. Humans would adapt to what the robots want.
 
2021-06-11 1:19:06 PM  

IAmRight: OptionC: PluckYew: There are only 3 teams that are competitive with each other.  Ohio State, Clemson and Alabama, you might slide another SEC team in for Alabama every 5 years but that's it that's the list.

Dilute the playoffs and the regular season at your peril NCAA, but at least you'll get paid.

This actually a step towards breaking the stranglehold of those three teams.

The problem right now is that the big 3 are the only teams that can consistently compete for the title so they get the best recruits and since they have a monopoly on the top recruits they can continue to compete for the title.

By opening up the playoffs more schools will be in a position to challenge for the title and thus should be able to better pitch themselves to recruits

Or just get rid of the playoff entirely and stop being obsessed with money.

/lol I know, everything has to be done for more and more money, otherwise is it even worth doing?


Even if money was out of the equation, a 4 team playoff is going to lead to all of the top-tier recruits being funneled to a small number of schools because top-tier recruits want to compete for a title.  By expanding the playoffs, you increase the options for those recruits because more teams can realistically get into the dance and this will hopefully spread the top recruits among more schools and dramatically improve the competitive landscape of college football.

Eliminating the playoffs entirely and going back to the popularity-contest system of naming a national champion would be a huge step backwards that would entrench the big 3 even further.  I'm not really seeing any benefits from that...
 
2021-06-11 1:19:42 PM  

OptionC: PluckYew: There are only 3 teams that are competitive with each other.  Ohio State, Clemson and Alabama, you might slide another SEC team in for Alabama every 5 years but that's it that's the list.

Dilute the playoffs and the regular season at your peril NCAA, but at least you'll get paid.

This actually a step towards breaking the stranglehold of those three teams.

The problem right now is that the big 3 are the only teams that can consistently compete for the title so they get the best recruits and since they have a monopoly on the top recruits they can continue to compete for the title.

By opening up the playoffs more schools will be in a position to challenge for the title and thus should be able to better pitch themselves to recruits


Alternatively, even in a year an Auburn or Michigan State wins a conference title out of nowhere, a 12 team field guarantees Alabama and Ohio State will have a spot anyway. This is the ultimate blue blood protection act. Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Clemson, Ohio St, Alabama will get in every year because they are going to be in the top 12, every year, even if they lose their conference championship. This is kind of a disaster for the notion that some Cinderella program will actually win a title - they'll have "access" to having to win FOUR, not just one or two, games against far deeper opponents, while assuring perennial bridesmaids like Georgia a second bite at the apple.
 
2021-06-11 1:24:18 PM  

meanmutton: Rwa2play: IAmRight: As college football strives to be more and more like the NFL, it ceases to have any interest to me.

If I wanted to watch the NFL, it already exists and I can watch a pretty significant percentage of games (and virtually all the playoff games) on free TV.

NCAA brings a lower quality of player and continues to take away everything that made it interesting (increased style variations, regional non-conference rivalries, a regular season where any loss could eliminate you from title contention) to make it more like the NFL (homogenized play styles, largely meaningless regular season, all the teams are pretty interchangeable). There are more ads than ever, everything is sponsored and whored out...

NCAA football no longer really provides any advantages over the NFL except that there are more in-person locations. Hell, tickets aren't even cheaper.

Of course, it's kinda like watching junior hockey as an adult, too. Feels really kinda gross to see a bunch of kids fighting or injuring one another for your amusement.

Remember how moguls keep creating these "alternate leagues" to the NFL?  I can guarantee that, within a generation, you're going to see an alternate, semi-pro football league that allows HS players to come out and play, with college rules and getting paid without the whole charade about "getting a college education".

Somebody's going to draw it up, realize that you can play recruits a decent amount without breaking the bank, have relations with the NFL for better scouting methods and closer scrutiny.

It's going to happen and, when it does, every major college football factory is going to shiat their pants in a spectacular way and the boosters will lose their farking minds because they'll realize that, unless they come up with the plan first, the schools they support are going to get farked badly.

College fans care about the jersey not the kid wearing it for a couple years.


True but here's your problem:  What if a 5-star recruit shuns their program for a team that'll pay them $75K/season with benefits, doesn't have to bother with college and can support their family right away?

Just watch, the biatching will commence as it happens.  Oh and BTW, remember when the Texas boosters were threatening that recruits would be blacklisted from jobs in Texas if they didn't play?  That threat goes to hell when the recruit doesn't have to worry about a job when they're already getting paid.
 
2021-06-11 1:38:45 PM  
College fans care about the jersey not the kid wearing it for a couple years.

Now this is just absurd. If this was true, recruiting would not exist at all.
 
2021-06-11 1:53:36 PM  

ElwoodCuse: College fans care about the jersey not the kid wearing it for a couple years.

Now this is just absurd. If this was true, recruiting would not exist at all.


Recruiting only matters in relation to other college teams.

If people only wanted to watch the best players, no one would watch college football. The worst NFL teams are light-years ahead of the very best college teams.
 
2021-06-11 1:54:47 PM  

Paul Baumer: OptionC: PluckYew: There are only 3 teams that are competitive with each other.  Ohio State, Clemson and Alabama, you might slide another SEC team in for Alabama every 5 years but that's it that's the list.

Dilute the playoffs and the regular season at your peril NCAA, but at least you'll get paid.

This actually a step towards breaking the stranglehold of those three teams.

The problem right now is that the big 3 are the only teams that can consistently compete for the title so they get the best recruits and since they have a monopoly on the top recruits they can continue to compete for the title.

By opening up the playoffs more schools will be in a position to challenge for the title and thus should be able to better pitch themselves to recruits

Alternatively, even in a year an Auburn or Michigan State wins a conference title out of nowhere, a 12 team field guarantees Alabama and Ohio State will have a spot anyway. This is the ultimate blue blood protection act. Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Clemson, Ohio St, Alabama will get in every year because they are going to be in the top 12, every year, even if they lose their conference championship. This is kind of a disaster for the notion that some Cinderella program will actually win a title - they'll have "access" to having to win FOUR, not just one or two, games against far deeper opponents, while assuring perennial bridesmaids like Georgia a second bite at the apple.


But those Cinderellas have no chance now, unless they luck into a year where there aren't four good looking P5 teams.
 
2021-06-11 2:06:17 PM  

meanmutton: ElwoodCuse: College fans care about the jersey not the kid wearing it for a couple years.

Now this is just absurd. If this was true, recruiting would not exist at all.

Recruiting only matters in relation to other college teams.

If people only wanted to watch the best players, no one would watch college football. The worst NFL teams are light-years ahead of the very best college teams.


that's absolute nonsense. college football fans absolutely want to see best players on their team. 100,000 people don't show up to watch intramurals or club sports.
 
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