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(Japan Times)   BMI: What is it good for? Large-scale population health surveys: absolutely. Your personal health: absolutely nothing   (japantimes.co.jp) divider line
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3 days ago  
BMI - limited use

Paywalls - no use
 
3 days ago  
Say it again
 
3 days ago  
Nothing about them is useful because we do not all have an identical metabolism or body. Its some stupid thing people keep around because its easy and convenient and doing things right would be too much work and effort
 
3 days ago  
HUH!
 
3 days ago  

NotCodger: BMI - limited use

Paywalls - no use


The only good thing is a lot of doctors have gotten wise to this and have started to look at everything instead of relying on BMI.  Hell, my doctor has basically moved away from it as patients like myself are supposedly obese, yet are in relative good health.
 
3 days ago  
I don't like the term "obese". I prefer "gravity-enhanced".
 
3 days ago  
But body composition and its relationship with health can vary depending on your gender, race and ethnicity.

Does that mean that body composition is a social construct?
 
3 days ago  
The US military thinks it's important. Therefore it must be. After all, look at their stance on other medical issues.
 
3 days ago  
Damn. I hate when a rule doesn't apply to everyone but is generally an acceptable guideline.

Especially when thay guideline is 'human size" vs "mayo monster".

And in before "body builders". At that point you're cracking jokes about being a BMI Breaker, not offended by it.
 
3 days ago  
Well, good. Whatever gets me off the hook for being responsible for my obesity-related health problems.
 
3 days ago  
At 50, I'm the same weight as the day I left high school.  I'm about the 50th percentile for height, but stout.

Therefore my BMI says 'overweight,' though you can see my ribs.

It's a terrible metric.
 
3 days ago  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: But body composition and its relationship with health can vary depending on your gender, race and ethnicity.

Does that mean that body composition is a social construct?


Fat Lives Matter?
 
3 days ago  
Here before the tubbos fatsplaining how their huge BMI means nothing about their health.

Long before them.

Because they have to slow-waddle to the computer so their hearts don't explode.
 
3 days ago  
If you measure my BMI by height/weight I'm 26.4. I had it measured with one of those handheld BMI testers yesterday and it said I'm 41. something. I could use to lose 20 or more pounds. But I feel relatively healthy. I bike with my son, sometimes overnight trips while hauling a huge backpack full of gear. We do long multinight float trips. I work a relatively active job. BMI seems like balloney to me.

mmmm balloney
 
3 days ago  

mattj1984: If you measure my BMI by height/weight I'm 26.4. I had it measured with one of those handheld BMI testers yesterday and it said I'm 41. something. I could use to lose 20 or more pounds. But I feel relatively healthy. I bike with my son, sometimes overnight trips while hauling a huge backpack full of gear. We do long multinight float trips. I work a relatively active job. BMI seems like balloney to me.

mmmm balloney


It's all baloney, until your heart stops.
 
3 days ago  
Yep.

Good news is, if your BMI is too high it might not be as bad as it looks.

Bad news is, if your BMI is too high it might not be as bad as it looks.


/guarantee you, I'm one of the former people. If my BMI were in range I'd look emaciated. Not that, even considering this, my BMI isn't still too high.  Thanks, pandemic and Obama
 
3 days ago  

ieerto: The US military thinks it's important. Therefore it must be. After all, look at their stance on other medical issues.


No kidding.  Does the military still prescribe 800mg Motrin for everything from a hangnail to Stage IV cancer?  That is no joke to anyone who was on active duty at least 25 years ago.
 
3 days ago  
I had my first physical in 20 years, earlier this year.  I'd gotten older an fatter.  The doctor ran all kinds of tests, and measuring BMI wasn't one of them.  There were far better indicators of how my excess weight was affecting my health.  Lipid testing, blood pressure, just looking at my rounder middle, asking about my eating, and drinking habits, if I smoke, etc..

I'm barely one to talk about seeing doctors, but maybe see a doctor instead of relying on the guy at the gym trying to upgrade you to the platinum membership level with a semi-personal trainer and annual BMI evaluation for just an extra $79 a month.  Just a thought.
 
3 days ago  
My BMI is high (upper 20s) but I'm also 6'3 with a disproportionately longer upper body (I have a 31" inseam) that evens the fat out enough that if I were my "healthy" BMI, I'd look like I had been starved.

Would I love to lose the gut? Absolutely, but I'm also surprisingly healthy. No diabetes, high blood pressure, hypertension, or anything that is normally associated with larger individuals.

I won't run any marathons, but I can still row 5 miles in a half hour, which is something I never thought I could do.
 
3 days ago  
It got a lot of people into the 2B category for early vaccination.
 
3 days ago  

KWess: At 50, I'm the same weight as the day I left high school.  I'm about the 50th percentile for height, but stout.

Therefore my BMI says 'overweight,' though you can see my ribs.

It's a terrible metric.


You sound fat.

/oblig
 
3 days ago  

Therion: It got a lot of people into the 2B category for early vaccination.


(and by "people" I mean "farkers")

(yes, I sound early vaccinated)
 
3 days ago  

KWess: At 50, I'm the same weight as the day I left high school.  I'm about the 50th percentile for height, but stout.

Therefore my BMI says 'overweight,' though you can see my ribs. It's a terrible metric.


Or, you need to lose the spare tire. Ya know, it sounds like its spot on.
 
3 days ago  

Therion: It got a lot of people into the 2B category for early vaccination.


I snagged mine before MA opened vaccines for everyone by two weeks because they opened to those who were overweight, not just obese.
 
3 days ago  

AurizenDarkstar: NotCodger: BMI - limited use

Paywalls - no use

The only good thing is a lot of doctors have gotten wise to this and have started to look at everything instead of relying on BMI.  Hell, my doctor has basically moved away from it as patients like myself are supposedly obese, yet are in relative good health.


20 pounds ago my doctor said I was borderline obese. Heavier now and could still use to lose that 20 but still not borderline obese
 
3 days ago  
Too fat, or too short?

Why not both...
 
3 days ago  
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Sure it says I'm obese but it can't take in to account how much muscle I have.
 
3 days ago  
Of course, *everyone* thinks they're the exception. Fatties like to pretend they're not fat.
 
3 days ago  

rustypouch: Of course, *everyone* thinks they're the exception. Fatties like to pretend they're not fat.


Are we talking standard dad-bod or the guy HotWingConspiracy posted. One of them is morbidly obese, one can lose 20 lbs but is not debilitatingly fat
 
3 days ago  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: ieerto: The US military thinks it's important. Therefore it must be. After all, look at their stance on other medical issues.

No kidding.  Does the military still prescribe 800mg Motrin for everything from a hangnail to Stage IV cancer?  That is no joke to anyone who was on active duty at least 25 years ago.


Motrin is cost effective for a large-scale population of injuries, but not for individual injuries.

/The outliers die.
 
3 days ago  
BMI defensiveness is the whatabout-ism of the current dietary discourse. The present level of fat denial could almost shift physical obesity into the mental illness stage. The Q-Anon sector of basic nutrition, if you will.

Use BMI as a general guideline, and stop standing idly by, watching obviously obese people slowly die unnecessary deaths, instead of making the "BMI is not a good measure, what about....<insert anecdotal or niche argument here>" excuse.
 
3 days ago  
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3 days ago  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: ieerto: The US military thinks it's important. Therefore it must be. After all, look at their stance on other medical issues.

No kidding.  Does the military still prescribe 800mg Motrin for everything from a hangnail to Stage IV cancer?  That is no joke to anyone who was on active duty at least 25 years ago.


Yeah, our Chief Corpsman was always on this one guy's case, he was 5'7" and 215 lbs. Had a 27" waist.  The corpsman had a 42" waist and a real, no scat men, spare tire around his waist.  But he had so little muscle, his BMI was okay.
 
3 days ago  

KWess: At 50, I'm the same weight as the day I left high school.  I'm about the 50th percentile for height, but stout.

Therefore my BMI says 'overweight,' though you can see my ribs.

It's a terrible metric.


I've never had BMI numbers but I bet someone would call me fat. I wear a 32" at 5' 11" height. Like you I'm the same size as high school, if not quite as strong anymore bc I'm lazy.

I've met people who are accused of being overweight via BMI numbers, even though they look perfectly healthy. So I've always considered it a junk metric.
 
3 days ago  
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3 days ago  

Axeofjudgement: Damn. I hate when a rule doesn't apply to everyone but is generally an acceptable guideline.

Especially when thay guideline is 'human size" vs "mayo monster".

And in before "body builders". At that point you're cracking jokes about being a BMI Breaker, not offended by it.


Unfortunately, there are numerous morons who act like it does apply to everyone. If there were not, this would not be a topic of discussion and nobody would care. The only people I've seen invoking "bodybuilding" on this topic are the those who insist on the fantasy that people who are overweight claim to be bodybuilders.

The average American does something like two hours of physical activity a week. It doesn't take much to not be average and the whole 'bodybuilder' fantasy seems like an excuse for unhealthy people to pretend they are healthy (and that healthy people are unhealthy) merely because of their weight.
 
3 days ago  
BMI sucks- every year I go to the doc and the first thing he notes is my 40BMI and not my 2% body fat, rippling biceps, broad shoulders and six pack torso on a body that would make Adonis weep with envy.

It's discrimination against those of us who look like we came out of a Rob Liefeld cartoon.
 
3 days ago  
A better measurement is Waist to Height Ratio:

"The waist to height ratio is a measure of the distribution of body fat. The higher someone's waist-height ratio is, the higher their risk of obesity-related cardiovascular diseases, as it is a rough estimate of obesity. Studies have found that a person's waist-height ratio is a good indicator of their risk of heart attack, stroke or death, while its link to diabetes hasn't been proved yet."
 
3 days ago  

Axeofjudgement: And in before "body builders". At that point you're cracking jokes about being a BMI Breaker, not offended by it.


Once I show my lifting videos to one of my doctors, they never say a word again about my BMI.

Pre-pandemic was up to 445/225/545.  BMI is in the ~31 range, Waist to Height ratio of 0.47 (72" height, 34" waist).  Last gym owner (before Covid shut him down for good) was a Highland Games world record holder, and he'd point to me as he gave tours for new members, saying, "That's TTFK.  He does shiat even I think is nuts."

Favorite lift:  Full Zercher.  Working back up to max now, hope to hit 460 by year-end.  Will be 46 when it happens.

Cardio?  Crank treadmill to 15 degree incline, 2.7mph and go for half an hour straight.  BP sits at a steady 142-144, can still hold a conversation the entire time.

I break BMI.
 
3 days ago  
BMI measures validate the idea that losing ten pounds will make you look better and live longer.
The above statement applies to 80-85% of the population. Yes, this means it doesn't apply to 15-20%, but it is still extremely useful.
 
3 days ago  
I like to look at it this way. If you're given a BMI value, say 26.5, what is that person's body fat percentage? You'll go, do a bunch of ciphering, and come back with a large range of values. That range will be less precise and less accurate than almost ANY other way of measuring body fat percentage. It's not that BMI doesn't work at all it's just the absolute worst way of doing what we need it to do.
 
3 days ago  
BMI gives people a general idea of what they're supposed to weigh. When I was 220 pounds, I thought that 175 (which would give me a BMI of 25) was kind of low. When I got down to 182, I realized that my ideal weight is probably around 170. Live and learn.
 
3 days ago  
Cartman - I'm not fat i'm big boned
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3 days ago  
Applying generalities to individuals is standard operating procedure

I don't know why BMI gets grief but nothing else seems to

it's weird I think it's cuz people feel insulted over weight or something
 
3 days ago  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: But body composition and its relationship with health can vary depending on your gender, race and ethnicity.

Does that mean that body composition is a social construct?


Interpretation of BMI as meaningful is a social construct.

So, yes?
 
3 days ago  

zepillin: Applying generalities to individuals is standard operating procedure

I don't know why BMI gets grief but nothing else seems to

it's weird I think it's cuz people feel insulted over weight or something


Even docs I know don't bring up an obese patient's weight unless they ask about it. Lotta fat people either live in denial or know it but don't want to talk about or take action on it, and many of them have very angry / livid / outburst type reactions to a doc even broaching the subject, because of the authoritative expert opinion they represent. So why bother if all you're going to do is infuriate the patient while not improving the situation.
 
3 days ago  

GregInIndy: Even docs I know don't bring up an obese patient's weight unless they ask about it


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3 days ago  

KWess: my BMI says 'overweight,' though you can see my ribs


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3 days ago  

GregInIndy: So why bother if all you're going to do is infuriate the patient while not improving the situation.


because it remains your duty as a doctor. Because, by extension, you might as well not mention any other serious, potentially life-threatening condition. You are first and foremost a physician. You should put aside your fear of being crushed by an enraged patient
 
2 days ago  

gaslight: KWess: At 50, I'm the same weight as the day I left high school.  I'm about the 50th percentile for height, but stout.

Therefore my BMI says 'overweight,' though you can see my ribs. It's a terrible metric.

Or, you need to lose the spare tire. Ya know, it sounds like its spot on.



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