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(CBC)   Mentally ill teenager from Canada who plotted terror attacks with an FBI agent online stuck in the same Supermax as El Chapo with no psychiatric treatment, is isolated 23 hours a day and due to shackles, "he has to kneel like a dog to eat," Murica   (cbc.ca) divider line
    More: Murica, Mental disorder, Psychiatry, Abdulrahman El Bahnasawy, Psychiatric hospital, U.S. experts, Canadian family, El Bahnasawy, Dr. Stephen Xenakis  
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2021-06-10 9:54:26 PM  
You'd think the FBI would be able to target someone who isn't suffering from a debilitating illness ... oh, that's WHY the FBI targeted him.
 
2021-06-10 10:23:06 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: You'd think the FBI would be able to target someone who isn't suffering from a debilitating illness ... oh, that's WHY the FBI targeted him.


I mean, have you met most Trumpers? There's a lot of bats in the belfry with mad cow, if you get what I'm saying
 
2021-06-10 10:35:36 PM  

somedude210: I mean, have you met most Trumpers? There's a lot of bats in the belfry with mad cow, if you get what I'm saying


Ya, but they aren't brown so sh*t like the Capitol attack is allowed to happen then everyone shrugs their shoulders.

Also "racist asshole idiot" isn't exactly a mental disorder but of course that does not mean the two wouldn't make for an unsurprising Venn diagram.

And might I remind you many of those terrorists are walking around free.

This kid was being a spazz on the internet.

Lock him up, sure... but not like that.

Never like that.

Also he is being refused medical treatment because he isn't an American so he doesn't get the same prisoner right to healthcare... which is just f*cked up.

Bi-polar people NEED their meds!!!!
 
2021-06-10 11:26:45 PM  
Once again the Canadian Government fails to protect Canadians abroad (and in the USA).

Cowards.

Stupid self-serving lazy-ass cowards.

Call the Israelis. Have them send in a SWAT team to liberate the lad and get him civilized country mental health care.
 
2021-06-10 11:27:02 PM  
What too far? Or maybe not too far enough?
 
2021-06-10 11:33:51 PM  

brantgoose: Call the Israelis.


I have a feeling they might not be too sympathetic to the lad's cause but hey... Bibi is gone so call 'em up.

I don't have their direct line.
 
2021-06-11 5:05:18 AM  
le sigh

So much wrong here.  Why can't this be handled by the US Legal system.  Is he a serious escape threat or is it just inflexible rules that result in cruel and unusual torture?  That's what it is to deny some folks their medication and keep them going in and out of psychosis.  In the future it will be more likely to happen with each episode.  He is being permanently mentality harmed over and over in tiny cuts instead of just putting some damn medication in his food.
 
2021-06-11 5:10:24 AM  

Greylight: le sigh

So much wrong here.  Why can't this be handled by the US Legal system. Is he a serious escape threat or is it just inflexible rules that result in cruel and unusual torture?  That's what it is to deny some folks their medication and keep them going in and out of psychosis.  In the future it will be more likely to happen with each episode.  He is being permanently mentality harmed over and over in tiny cuts instead of just putting some damn medication in his food.


Lots of legal systems outside the US do exactly this shiat too. Heaps and heaps of people with serious and well understood mental issues go to prisons rather than mental hospitals in lots of countries. Lawmakers don't give a shiat because there are more votes in being "tough on crime" than in any way "logical about criminology". Anywhere you've got right-wing talk-back radio you're going to find this problem.

Even TFA stops waaay short of confirming the Canadians want him back.

It's a sad and pointless and expensive tale. It's also entirely predictable - folks demand simple solutions to complex problems and they elect lawmakers who pretend to deliver them, it's been that way for decades if not centuries.
 
2021-06-11 5:11:39 AM  

brantgoose: Once again the Canadian Government fails to protect Canadians abroad (and in the USA).

Cowards.

Stupid self-serving lazy-ass cowards.

Call the Israelis. Have them send in a SWAT team to liberate the lad and get him civilized country mental health care.


As if they'd SWAT their sugar daddies.
 
2021-06-11 5:12:31 AM  

Greylight: le sigh

So much wrong here.  Why can't this be handled by the US Legal system.  Is he a serious escape threat or is it just inflexible rules that result in cruel and unusual torture?  That's what it is to deny some folks their medication and keep them going in and out of psychosis.  In the future it will be more likely to happen with each episode.  He is being permanently mentality harmed over and over in tiny cuts instead of just putting some damn medication in his food.


I wanna know how they got a hold of him.

Did we just hand him over?
 
2021-06-11 5:16:55 AM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: You'd think the FBI would be able to target someone who isn't suffering from a debilitating illness ... oh, that's WHY the FBI targeted him.


It's not even the first time they've done that to Canadian teenagers, either. I can't find the documentary about it, but the FBI ues War on Terror legislation and the 5 Eyes agreemnt to enlist the RCMP in this stuff way more often than we think (but not like every year, more like, I dunno, every 3-ish years). It's annoying that the RCMP goes for it. I wish they had a civilian oversight body consisting of psychotherapists and/or clinical psychiatrists that was required to review all similar invetigations as soon as the mental illness of the suspect was confirmed. Mental illness does not absolve violence, or planning (as opposed to fantasizing) violence, but common sense dictates that if the police were participating in the planning by a teenager, then the police would be siginifcantly raising the bar for legitimately continuing their charade.
 
2021-06-11 5:21:47 AM  
brantgoose:
Call the Israelis. Have them send in a SWAT team to liberate the lad and get him civilized country mental health care.

He is a Muslim.  They would drag him to an outdoor concentration camp and then bulldoze his parents home for good measure.
 
2021-06-11 5:30:06 AM  
A polite, Whatever Canada.
Ashley Smith : Out of Control (2010) - the fifth estate
Youtube yryXNq00_c0
 
2021-06-11 5:40:08 AM  

Purple_Urkle: A polite, Whatever Canada.
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So... you are saying it's okay because it happens here too?

Are you one of those folks who chuckles about prison rape because "Hyuck, they dun deserved it"?

Justice reform NOW!!!
 
2021-06-11 5:46:43 AM  
I would like to know more about the circumstances of the interruption in his medications... if they are being withheld that's totally unacceptable

Mental illness does not excuse illegal/dangerous behavior, but withholding medication is barbaric.
 
2021-06-11 6:06:59 AM  

here to help: Purple_Urkle: A polite, Whatever Canada.
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So... you are saying it's okay because it happens here too?

Are you one of those folks who chuckles about prison rape because "Hyuck, they dun deserved it"?

Justice reform NOW!!!


Canada just doesn't get to pretend prison brutality is an America only problem.
 
2021-06-11 6:10:45 AM  

Greylight: le sigh

So much wrong here.  Why can't this be handled by the US Legal system.  Is he a serious escape threat or is it just inflexible rules that result in cruel and unusual torture?  That's what it is to deny some folks their medication and keep them going in and out of psychosis.  In the future it will be more likely to happen with each episode.  He is being permanently mentality harmed over and over in tiny cuts instead of just putting some damn medication in his food.


After 9/11 most Americans lost their minds.  We gave up essential protections on privacy and allowed the government to violate the constitution, specifically cruel and unusual punishment and right to a speedy trial.
We have or had torture camps all around the world where "terrorists" would be flown into for "advanced interrogation techniques".  We also still have gitmo in Cuba, where for years their top terrorist turned out to be some network admin who was not a member of any terrorist group but needed to be there to justify the policy.
And that's the thing.  If the government says there is a dire threat to the nation from Islamic terrorists, they are going to fill concentration camps with people who look Islamic whether they are or not, or are actually terrorists isn't the point.
 
2021-06-11 6:11:56 AM  
Hey, kids! The word of the day is "entrapment"! Sound it out with me. En-trap-ment. Good job! Tomorrow, we'll learn about planting evidence.
 
2021-06-11 6:16:40 AM  

Purple_Urkle: Canada just doesn't get to pretend prison brutality is an America only problem.


No we don't.

In fact based on this article we are quite culpable in this case as well.

What was your point again?
 
2021-06-11 6:22:15 AM  
Solitary confinement is cruel and unusual punishment. It's psychological torture.
 
2021-06-11 6:24:52 AM  
Oh no.
 
2021-06-11 6:26:19 AM  
Why would they put some goofy Internet warrior in ADX with hardened criminals?

https://torontosun.com/news/world/con​v​icted-canadian-terrorist-behind-bloody​-prison-knife-attack-report

Oh, ok, that helps explain it.
 
2021-06-11 6:33:19 AM  

this looks interesting everything's ok: Why would they put some goofy Internet warrior in ADX with hardened criminals?

https://torontosun.com/news/world/conv​icted-canadian-terrorist-behind-bloody​-prison-knife-attack-report

Oh, ok, that helps explain it.


He's be easier to handle if they gave him meds, but ya he's dangerous to everyone and himself now.
 
2021-06-11 6:35:33 AM  

this looks interesting everything's ok: Why would they put some goofy Internet warrior in ADX with hardened criminals?

https://torontosun.com/news/world/conv​icted-canadian-terrorist-behind-bloody​-prison-knife-attack-report

Oh, ok, that helps explain it.


The TOSun?

Seriously, dude?

Also... do you even know what bi polar disorder is and how it affects people?

I have a cousin who has it and ended up in the clink instead of the hospital.

He got full on butt rape.

Huge guy but the mind of a six year old.

FULL... ON... BUTT RAPED!!!

Because he was mentally ill and no one wants to deal with that sh*t anymore.

You disgust me.
 
2021-06-11 6:38:01 AM  
So he doesn't get health care because he's Canadian? If he were a type 1 diabetic would they withhold insulin from him?
 
2021-06-11 6:39:46 AM  

Greylight: He's be easier to handle if they gave him meds, but ya he's dangerous to everyone and himself now.


Exactly. Keep him away from others and safe from himself.

I don't want this kid loose to cause harm. I want him being treated humanely.

He was on a waiting list for treatment before all this and anyone familiar with how easy it is to get psyche/addiction treatment without money.. well that's why we have dudes like this going nuts all the time.

It's a problem.
 
2021-06-11 6:40:34 AM  

rosekolodny: So he doesn't get health care because he's Canadian? If he were a type 1 diabetic would they withhold insulin from him?


Unfortunately, probably.
 
2021-06-11 6:42:23 AM  
He had gone off his two mood-stabilizing and anti-psychotic medications and was on a waiting list for further psychiatric care.

LOL whut

drugs are psychiatric care, no drugs no futher care

what are you going to do put him on a couch and psychoanalyze him over a period of 12 Years?
 
2021-06-11 6:46:02 AM  
Also bipolar is a fad diagnosis

some are, many aren't
 
2021-06-11 6:48:37 AM  

zepillin: Also bipolar is a fad diagnosis

some are, many aren't


So you are cool with torturing him then?

Good to know Nazi dirigible.
 
2021-06-11 6:50:03 AM  
Dogs don't "kneel to eat".
 
2021-06-11 6:51:42 AM  

here to help: zepillin: Also bipolar is a fad diagnosis

some are, many aren't

So you are cool with torturing him then?

Good to know Nazi dirigible.


I'm good with super maxing dangerous crazies
 
2021-06-11 6:52:11 AM  
Just how many of them do you think you're saying anyway come on man
 
2021-06-11 6:52:55 AM  
How many do you think our crazy I mean as a percentage I'm pretty sure it exceeds 60%
 
2021-06-11 6:57:19 AM  
Yup... and here' come the good ole boys who blather on about the teh constitutionz but totally gloss over the inconvenient hippie sh*t like cruel and unusual punishment being EXPLICITLY proscribed.

Jag offs.
 
2021-06-11 6:59:37 AM  

here to help: this looks interesting everything's ok: Why would they put some goofy Internet warrior in ADX with hardened criminals?

https://torontosun.com/news/world/conv​icted-canadian-terrorist-behind-bloody​-prison-knife-attack-report

Oh, ok, that helps explain it.

The TOSun?

Seriously, dude?

Also... do you even know what bi polar disorder is and how it affects people?

I have a cousin who has it and ended up in the clink instead of the hospital.

He got full on butt rape.

Huge guy but the mind of a six year old.

FULL... ON... BUTT RAPED!!!

Because he was mentally ill and no one wants to deal with that sh*t anymore.

You disgust me.


Someone read this post and funnied it.

Yup.

Murica indeed.
 
2021-06-11 7:01:58 AM  
Unicorn pumpkin
 
2021-06-11 7:05:06 AM  

zepillin: Unicorn pumpkin


Old hardcore street punk actually and I still got a decent fascist smashing right hook.

I'll pumpkin your f*cking face Nazi boy.
 
2021-06-11 7:09:22 AM  

zepillin: Also bipolar is a fad diagnosis

some are, many aren't


What the actual fark are you talking about. This is among the stupidest thing's I've read on this site.
 
2021-06-11 7:14:49 AM  

brantgoose: What too far? Or maybe not too far enough?


I mean, if you go back in history, even in the first half of the 20th century, it seemed like just about any crime under the sun was eligible for hanging. This whole "throwing people in prison forever" thing is relatively new. We'll figure it out eventually maybe.
 
2021-06-11 7:22:41 AM  
Can i get a smaller violin for the terrorists that  is crying for being treated like a terrorist. Mental Illness is the new excuse for attempting mass murder... I bet 80% of the January 6th terrorists could be diagnosed with something.  He tried to commit suicide 5 times, but amazingly Epstien succeeds in 1 try?
 
2021-06-11 7:31:07 AM  

brantgoose: Once again the Canadian Government fails to protect Canadians abroad (and in the USA).

Cowards.

Stupid self-serving lazy-ass cowards.

Call the Israelis. Have them send in a SWAT team to liberate the lad and get him civilized country mental health care.


Then I assume you think no U.S. citizen who breaks the law in another country should have to answer for his actions in that country? We should just send in the Marines and "liberate" him? Fark that "special and superior" nonsense. And fark the Israelis.
 
2021-06-11 7:35:50 AM  
This is going well.
 
2021-06-11 7:37:07 AM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: You'd think the FBI would be able to target someone who isn't suffering from a debilitating illness ... oh, that's WHY the FBI targeted him.


Stupid people are easy targets.
 
2021-06-11 7:38:33 AM  

Turbo Cojones: GreatGlavinsGhost: You'd think the FBI would be able to target someone who isn't suffering from a debilitating illness ... oh, that's WHY the FBI targeted him.

Stupid people are easy targets.


And yet Dump's free to this day
 
2021-06-11 7:42:17 AM  

here to help: This is going well.


It was always going to go south often.  No pun intended but it works.
 
2021-06-11 7:43:46 AM  
Ship him back here, we should be incarcerating him.
 
2021-06-11 7:48:47 AM  

zepillin: Also bipolar is a fad diagnosis

some are, many aren't


Hi, what are you qualifications for making a statement like that?
 
2021-06-11 7:49:14 AM  

larunu: Can i get a smaller violin for the terrorists that  is crying for being treated like a terrorist. Mental Illness is the new excuse for attempting mass murder... I bet 80% of the January 6th terrorists could be diagnosed with something.  He tried to commit suicide 5 times, but amazingly Epstien succeeds in 1 try?


You're the same monster as the people you profess to hate.
 
2021-06-11 7:50:41 AM  
Wait since when do dogs kneel to eat?
 
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