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2021-06-10 6:48:31 PM  
"I kept thinking that if social media never existed, we would've continued living our lives happily!" 

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2021-06-10 6:58:08 PM  
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2021-06-10 7:05:04 PM  
I have a pair of red shoes just to freak people like this out.
 
2021-06-10 7:14:13 PM  

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2021-06-10 7:16:05 PM  
The goal of cult leaders is to distance their followers from the people that love them so that the only option that remains is the cult.
 
2021-06-10 7:18:24 PM  

jars.traptone: "I kept thinking that if social media never existed, we would've continued living our lives happily!" 

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2021-06-10 7:51:03 PM  
That was one of the longest 12 minutes ever.

I sometimes think a lot of people don't ever take the time to really know someone they're in a relationship with. Everyone hides something. Everyone represses something. Of you're observant, you can see it. But the question arises, would someone care what they picked up on because maybe they're happy for once?

I once dated this poisonous super hot nympho blonde, who almost cost me every one of my possessions, my family, my health and I'm sure eventually my freedom. All because it was basically sex all the time. When I finally realized I was never going to have a family with her, or a home, or a reasonable assessment of a stable life, I got the fark outta there. But I never would have realized how awful she really was when that whole crazy train started rolling.
 
2021-06-10 8:09:57 PM  

arrogantbastich: I sometimes think a lot of people don't ever take the time to really know someone they're in a relationship with. Everyone hides something. Everyone represses something. Of you're observant, you can see it. But the question arises, would someone care what they picked up on because maybe they're happy for once?


I think a common thread of Qanon casualties (at least, the ones I read about) is that the Q-people completely change personality, and they often have an established family life that suddenly becomes strained or impossible after their transformation.  Maybe there is some initial grain of conspiratorial tendencies that their partners overlooked at first, but the big Q-conversion seems to be something that happens in the middle of the relationship, not before.
 
2021-06-10 8:21:46 PM  

koder: jars.traptone: "I kept thinking that if social media never existed, we would've continued living our lives happily!" 

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Lol I wasn't going for that, but that's on me for being lazy: 

I meant that pinning the entire failure of her relationship on social media, is falling into the same trap Qanutters do, and I was just highlighting evidence to support that point.

The reason why people gravitate toward conspiracy theories, is because conspiracy theories provide a simplified explanation for the world. When there are complex things at work that are annoying to think about  (for some people), it's just easier to just listen to what some other person says, if they sound confident enough.

So when somebody comes along with something that provides that explanation, people feel like they gain this 'secret knowledge', which gives them a leg up on everyone else. Then the world isn't so difficult to deal with. All that uncertainty is stressful. 

Social media allowed for dissemination of this video to a ridiculously wide audience. I was trying to point out that it's dangerous to succumb to absolutist thought, which would paint social media as this monolithic thing, that is either 100% good, or 100% bad.

Doing that is taking that same, easy road the Qultists do.

Social media is a thing that exists, that we can use for good, or use for bad. It is currently used for good, and it is currently used for bad. 

Everything is complicated, and that's okay.
 
2021-06-10 8:23:59 PM  

Xcott: arrogantbastich: I sometimes think a lot of people don't ever take the time to really know someone they're in a relationship with. Everyone hides something. Everyone represses something. Of you're observant, you can see it. But the question arises, would someone care what they picked up on because maybe they're happy for once?

I think a common thread of Qanon casualties (at least, the ones I read about) is that the Q-people completely change personality, and they often have an established family life that suddenly becomes strained or impossible after their transformation.  Maybe there is some initial grain of conspiratorial tendencies that their partners overlooked at first, but the big Q-conversion seems to be something that happens in the middle of the relationship, not before.


The clinical psychology explanation for conspiracy theories is they become much more popular during times of "crisis and social upheaval."  I find it fascinating and can absolutely see how the Venn diagram of Q and MAGA has quite a lot of overlap.

One survey saying 20% of Americans believe in Qanon on SOME level with: And the study finds that Republicans, those who trust far-right news outlets like OANN and Newsmax, and white evangelicals and Hispanic Protestants are all more likely to believe these statements than other Americans.

Which is a curious mix.  I'd love to know if the same people who propelled Trump to victory in 2016 (specifically people who didn't usually vote) are the ones most likely to believe in Qanon.


Summary of most interesting parts of the Psych explanation:
We argue that people are drawn to conspiracy theories in order to satisfy or in an attempt to satisfy three important psychological motives. The first of these motives are epistemic motives. I guess in a nutshell, epistemic motives really just refer to the need for knowledge and certainty and I guess the motive or desire to have information.

So people with lower levels of education tend to be drawn to conspiracy theories.

The second set of motives, we would call existential motives. And really they just refer to people's needs to be or to feel safe and secure in the world that they live in.

So again, when something happens, people don't like to feel powerless.

The final set of motives we would call social motives and those refer to people's desire to feel good about themselves as individuals and also feel good about themselves in terms of the groups that they belong to.
 
2021-06-10 8:34:47 PM  

jars.traptone: koder: jars.traptone: "I kept thinking that if social media never existed, we would've continued living our lives happily!" 

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Lol I wasn't going for that, but that's on me for being lazy: 

I meant that pinning the entire failure of her relationship on social media, is falling into the same trap Qanutters do, and I was just highlighting evidence to support that point.

The reason why people gravitate toward conspiracy theories, is because conspiracy theories provide a simplified explanation for the world. When there are complex things at work that are annoying to think about  (for some people), it's just easier to just listen to what some other person says, if they sound confident enough.

So when somebody comes along with something that provides that explanation, people feel like they gain this 'secret knowledge', which gives them a leg up on everyone else. Then the world isn't so difficult to deal with. All that uncertainty is stressful. 

Social media allowed for dissemination of this video to a ridiculously wide audience. I was trying to point out that it's dangerous to succumb to absolutist thought, which would paint social media as this monolithic thing, that is either 100% good, or 100% bad.

Doing that is taking that same, easy road the Qultists do.

Social media is a thing that exists, that we can use for good, or use for bad. It is currently used for good, and it is currently used for bad. 

Everything is complicated, and that's okay.


Oh yeah, totally. I've basically said previously that the Venn diagram of Q/Trumpers/FoxNews viewers and Cliff's Notes users is likely a circle--essentially that the same types that can't be farked to do the hard work of actual thought and critical reading in high school take that with them into adult life, looking for easy answers to the bare minimum of questions.
 
2021-06-10 8:48:10 PM  
koder:

Oh yeah, totally. I've basically said previously that the Venn diagram of Q/Trumpers/FoxNews viewers and Cliff's Notes users is likely a circle--essentially that the same types that can't be farked to do the hard work of actual thought and critical reading in high school take that with them into adult life, looking for easy answers to the bare minimum of questions.

Yeah, I suppose. 

It seems like there's a combination of an intellectual inferiority complex, and a massive suspension of disbelief that play into it. Like it's easy to sway the average Joe into hating some other group of people, stuff like that happens all the time. 

But the Qanon shiat is some next-level delusion. Satanic pedophile cabals, and WayFair human trafficking cabinets, and just batshiat, bonkers-insane stuff like that, top to bottom. 

They get stripped of their mental insulation, so ideas like that never meet the resistance of critical thought, and so now they're just down the rabbit hole. 

And it really sucks, because people affected by it are gonna think things like that lady did, where it's all the fault of social media, when the actual problem is way more complicated. And it won't just be social media, it'll be screen time, or being inside, or wearing mixed linens, or whatever the fark.

Lol we're never going to fix this. It'll always be a vulnerability, with humans.
 
2021-06-10 9:03:36 PM  

jars.traptone: koder: jars.traptone: "I kept thinking that if social media never existed, we would've continued living our lives happily!" 

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Lol I wasn't going for that, but that's on me for being lazy: 

I meant that pinning the entire failure of her relationship on social media, is falling into the same trap Qanutters do, and I was just highlighting evidence to support that point.

The reason why people gravitate toward conspiracy theories, is because conspiracy theories provide a simplified explanation for the world. When there are complex things at work that are annoying to think about  (for some people), it's just easier to just listen to what some other person says, if they sound confident enough.

So when somebody comes along with something that provides that explanation, people feel like they gain this 'secret knowledge', which gives them a leg up on everyone else. Then the world isn't so difficult to deal with. All that uncertainty is stressful. 

Social media allowed for dissemination of this video to a ridiculously wide audience. I was trying to point out that it's dangerous to succumb to absolutist thought, which would paint social media as this monolithic thing, that is either 100% good, or 100% bad.

Doing that is taking that same, easy road the Qultists do.

Social media is a thing that exists, that we can use for good, or use for bad. It is currently used for good, and it is currently used for bad. 

Everything is complicated, and that's okay.


Thank you for this thoughtful post
 
2021-06-10 9:58:35 PM  

weddingsinger: I find it fascinating and can absolutely see how the Venn diagram of Q and MAGA has quite a lot of overlap.


What I find fascinating is why the GOP isn't panicking about this.  Q people have become so much of the base that the party is stuck catering to them, or at least not disavowing them, and making symbolic moves like ousting Liz Cheney for acknowledging the 2020 election, regardless of how conservative she was.  The party has courted conspiracy people for a long time, going back to the Birthers, and the 90's militia crowd before then, but now the conspiracy people are a driving force in the party.

But that's basically a cancer diagnosis for a political party.  These fringe guys aren't enough to win elections, and they're not exactly made of money, either.  I keep reading about these people losing jobs, getting divorced or isolated, becoming useless 24/7 social media addicts mooching off relatives, or getting scammed out of their retirement savings.  I doubt they are a large or reliable voting bloc or a large or reliable source of donations.  They're also unstable and unreliable, e.g. Lin Wood telling the Qsters in Georgia not to vote in the runoffs, to "expose the algorithms".

And courting them requires that you behave like them publicly, and even reject other party factions, again with the ouster of Liz Cheney.  You have to send a message that the tent is not for people who accept basic facts about things like germs or radio waves or whether the events of 2020 actually happened.  It's like their plan A is to become the Larouchites.  How are they not freaking out about where this is leading them, demographically?
 
2021-06-10 10:15:57 PM  

Xcott: weddingsinger: I find it fascinating and can absolutely see how the Venn diagram of Q and MAGA has quite a lot of overlap.

What I find fascinating is why the GOP isn't panicking about this.  Q people have become so much of the base that the party is stuck catering to them, or at least not disavowing them, and making symbolic moves like ousting Liz Cheney for acknowledging the 2020 election, regardless of how conservative she was.  The party has courted conspiracy people for a long time, going back to the Birthers, and the 90's militia crowd before then, but now the conspiracy people are a driving force in the party.



The best answer I can give you is that denying Qanon would mean denying the BIG LIE and that means going against Trump and they can't do that.  That's rule #1.  The Fuhrer is always right.
 
2021-06-10 11:03:13 PM  
I'm sure this video with no names or pictures of actual people is totally legit!
 
2021-06-10 11:03:46 PM  

IgG4: I have a pair of red shoes just to freak people like this out.


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2021-06-10 11:05:13 PM  

arrogantbastich: I once dated this poisonous super hot nympho blonde, who almost cost me every one of my possessions, my family, my health and I'm sure eventually my freedom. All because it was basically sex all the time. When I finally realized I was never going to have a family with her, or a home, or a reasonable assessment of a stable life, I got the fark outta there. But I never would have realized how awful she really was when that whole crazy train started rolling.



I want to extend my sincere condolences, abusive relationships can be psychological prisons, impossible to escape.

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Super hot nympho blonde, huh?
 
2021-06-10 11:05:56 PM  

Xcott: arrogantbastich: I sometimes think a lot of people don't ever take the time to really know someone they're in a relationship with. Everyone hides something. Everyone represses something. Of you're observant, you can see it. But the question arises, would someone care what they picked up on because maybe they're happy for once?

I think a common thread of Qanon casualties (at least, the ones I read about) is that the Q-people completely change personality, and they often have an established family life that suddenly becomes strained or impossible after their transformation.  Maybe there is some initial grain of conspiratorial tendencies that their partners overlooked at first, but the big Q-conversion seems to be something that happens in the middle of the relationship, not before.


Funnily enough, it was a year ago today that my Canon brother told me "Your world view is farked (because I was wearing a mask) don't talk to me for a year"

I don't plan on reconnecting ever. It was a hard road and I'm farking done with him.
 
2021-06-10 11:06:54 PM  

Xcott: weddingsinger: I find it fascinating and can absolutely see how the Venn diagram of Q and MAGA has quite a lot of overlap.

What I find fascinating is why the GOP isn't panicking about this.  Q people have become so much of the base that the party is stuck catering to them, or at least not disavowing them, and making symbolic moves like ousting Liz Cheney for acknowledging the 2020 election, regardless of how conservative she was.  The party has courted conspiracy people for a long time, going back to the Birthers, and the 90's militia crowd before then, but now the conspiracy people are a driving force in the party.

But that's basically a cancer diagnosis for a political party.  These fringe guys aren't enough to win elections, and they're not exactly made of money, either.  I keep reading about these people losing jobs, getting divorced or isolated, becoming useless 24/7 social media addicts mooching off relatives, or getting scammed out of their retirement savings.  I doubt they are a large or reliable voting bloc or a large or reliable source of donations.  They're also unstable and unreliable, e.g. Lin Wood telling the Qsters in Georgia not to vote in the runoffs, to "expose the algorithms".

And courting them requires that you behave like them publicly, and even reject other party factions, again with the ouster of Liz Cheney.  You have to send a message that the tent is not for people who accept basic facts about things like germs or radio waves or whether the events of 2020 actually happened.  It's like their plan A is to become the Larouchites.  How are they not freaking out about where this is leading them, demographically?


They are. They're just going hell for leather in their attempts to destroy voting rights.
 
2021-06-10 11:07:48 PM  

IgG4: I have a pair of red shoes just to freak people like this out.


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2021-06-10 11:07:52 PM  

Xcott: weddingsinger: I find it fascinating and can absolutely see how the Venn diagram of Q and MAGA has quite a lot of overlap.

What I find fascinating is why the GOP isn't panicking about this.  Q people have become so much of the base that the party is stuck catering to them, or at least not disavowing them, and making symbolic moves like ousting Liz Cheney for acknowledging the 2020 election, regardless of how conservative she was.  The party has courted conspiracy people for a long time, going back to the Birthers, and the 90's militia crowd before then, but now the conspiracy people are a driving force in the party.

But that's basically a cancer diagnosis for a political party.  These fringe guys aren't enough to win elections, and they're not exactly made of money, either.  I keep reading about these people losing jobs, getting divorced or isolated, becoming useless 24/7 social media addicts mooching off relatives, or getting scammed out of their retirement savings.  I doubt they are a large or reliable voting bloc or a large or reliable source of donations.  They're also unstable and unreliable, e.g. Lin Wood telling the Qsters in Georgia not to vote in the runoffs, to "expose the algorithms".

And courting them requires that you behave like them publicly, and even reject other party factions, again with the ouster of Liz Cheney.  You have to send a message that the tent is not for people who accept basic facts about things like germs or radio waves or whether the events of 2020 actually happened.  It's like their plan A is to become the Larouchites.  How are they not freaking out about where this is leading them, demographically?


The party is a reflection of their voters, so if their voters are Q loons the party will happily follow them down that path.
 
2021-06-10 11:09:19 PM  
Conspiracy theories are basically potato chips for the gullible. You tell yourself that one won't hurt and look for a tasty flavor. Fast forward a few hours later and the bag is empty and you hate yourself, but it was so good.

QAnon is the mental version of morbid obesity.
 
2021-06-10 11:13:01 PM  
What's bizarre about Q is that it's the bottom of what you might call the continuum of conspiracy theories.

Like, there are some conspiracy theories that make sense. Thinking the mob or the CIA or both assassinated John F. Kennedy is reasonable, even if it's probably not true, because it can logically be shown to make SOME kind of sense; but the idea that Wayfair furniture is trafficking children and sending coded messages in the names of their cabinets? How does a human being who presumably holds a job and manages to get to the grocery store and pay the bills look at that and think "Wow, that's so logical! That fits into my worldview perfectly!"

What has to happen to a person's brain, that they can even get to that point, that secret basements and furniture catalogs are the only way they can make sense of the world?
 
2021-06-10 11:15:21 PM  
Extermination of all trump taint would be a good start.
I do not know of a single trump worshiper I would feel would be anything but a net positive if they didn't exist.

It is merely a religion based upon true stupidity and ignorance.  I guess that's all of them, though.
 
2021-06-10 11:17:08 PM  

arrogantbastich: I sometimes think a lot of people don't ever take the time to really know someone they're in a relationship with. Everyone hides something. Everyone represses something. Of you're observant, you can see it.


Be careful with that line of thinking; you're assuming that this is always who they have been, when the uncomfortable reality is that even people who were once good can change for the worse. Even those you'd never think could change for the worst, those who you think you know everything about, hell, even you reading this post right now. This is why you need to stay vigilant and try to redetermine occasionally if you're doing the right thing; because no one is immune to changing.

The idea that some people are simply born broken or just have always been broken somehow is a comforting lie we tell ourselves to feel secure in that we'd never even think of doing awful things, or associate with people who do. People most certainly can change for the worse, and do so more often than one might think. Not sure about changing for the better except in incredibly rare circumstances, though.
 
2021-06-10 11:19:16 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: I'm sure this video with no names or pictures of actual people is totally legit!


Absolutely.  And there is zero corroborating material anywhere else.

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Here is a list of (some) violent and criminal acts linked to QAnon:
15 June 2018: An Arizona residentblocks a bridge near the Hoover Dam with an armored vehicle. He later pleads guilty to a terrorism charge.

13 March 2019: In Staten Island,a 24-year-old man allegedly murdersa leader in the Gambino crime family.

2 April2020:A man is charged with intentionally derailing a freight train near thenavy hospital ship Mercy in Los Angeles.
 
2021-06-10 11:23:27 PM  
I hate living through the dystopian sci fi I grew up reading.
 
2021-06-10 11:23:37 PM  
I'm sorry they married dumbfarks.
 
2021-06-10 11:24:08 PM  

Gyrfalcon: What has to happen to a person's brain, that they can even get to that point, that secret basements and furniture catalogs are the only way they can make sense of the world?


I hope someone who knows what they're talking about can back me up on this, but I really think that we humans are hard-wired for lots of things, one of them being attempting to make sense of the world. And that mechanism sometimes goes on the fritz, analogous to how an immune system that's a little bit too good at its job results in allergies and/or asthma, or any of a number of nasty autoimmune disorders.

Me, I'm just glad I read Foucault's Pendulum at a reasonably early point in my life. I think it's had a protective effect against certain kinds of nonsense.
 
2021-06-10 11:26:21 PM  
...and sometimes I wonder if the popularity of those Dan Brown books and all that end times rapture fiction may have primed a big chunk of the population to be receptive to all the nonsense
 
2021-06-10 11:28:40 PM  

Xcott: It's like their plan A is to become the Larouchites.  How are they not freaking out about where this is leading them, demographically?


Well, the first thing is that people like Gohmert or Marjorie Green are winning by landslide numbers.  You could run nothing but Q-nauts coast to coast and keep at least 175 House seats.  LaRouche was never substantially popular anywhere geographically.

And the second is just how disconnected the 'old guard' are.  You're a 50-year-old Rep.  Got a good state school degree.  Met your charming politician's-daughter wife at Georgetown Law.  Worked for your home state's Rep for nearly 20 years before he retired and you got his seat as heir apparent.  You try and get out to the district every month if you can, but now it's a 3-hour layover flight from Dulles, the boys are in school in Alexandria, etc.

Your understanding of Tammi... currently buying Juicy Juice and oatmeal creme cookies with her SNAP card at the Dollar General in Skeeterville in your district... is roughly equal to your understanding of the lifestyle of a Kalahari bushman.

You look at people like Boebert and Cawthorn and MTG in your caucus and go "fark, I don't like where this is going, but this is the way the political winds are blowing, and I too shall blow."
 
2021-06-10 11:31:05 PM  
Unless the Qnuts can break free of their self imposed insanity, they will have a miserable life ahead of them. Kinda like getting tattoos on your face.
 
2021-06-10 11:33:59 PM  

weddingsinger: GrizzlyPouch: I'm sure this video with no names or pictures of actual people is totally legit!

Absolutely.  And there is zero corroborating material anywhere else.

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Here is a list of (some) violent and criminal acts linked to QAnon:
15 June 2018: An Arizona residentblocks a bridge near the Hoover Dam with an armored vehicle. He later pleads guilty to a terrorism charge.

13 March 2019: In Staten Island,a 24-year-old man allegedly murdersa leader in the Gambino crime family.

2 April2020:A man is charged with intentionally derailing a freight train near thenavy hospital ship Mercy in Los Angeles.


Interesting article.  Did you see the part about the guy who derailed the train and how he never mentioned the Q thing?

But the Guardian did find somebody willing to say "well, this kind of sounds like a Q thing".  So they went ahead and lumped in as one.

If the best thing you could find was an article from 8 months ago that included a couple of events that weren't actually Q related, but got thrown in there anyway.  I mean how scary can it be?
 
2021-06-10 11:36:10 PM  

jars.traptone: koder: jars.traptone: "I kept thinking that if social media never existed, we would've continued living our lives happily!" 

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Lol I wasn't going for that, but that's on me for being lazy: 

I meant that pinning the entire failure of her relationship on social media, is falling into the same trap Qanutters do, and I was just highlighting evidence to support that point.

The reason why people gravitate toward conspiracy theories, is because conspiracy theories provide a simplified explanation for the world. When there are complex things at work that are annoying to think about  (for some people), it's just easier to just listen to what some other person says, if they sound confident enough.

So when somebody comes along with something that provides that explanation, people feel like they gain this 'secret knowledge', which gives them a leg up on everyone else. Then the world isn't so difficult to deal with. All that uncertainty is stressful. 

Social media allowed for dissemination of this video to a ridiculously wide audience. I was trying to point out that it's dangerous to succumb to absolutist thought, which would paint social media as this monolithic thing, that is either 100% good, or 100% bad.

Doing that is taking that same, easy road the Qultists do.

Social media is a thing that exists, that we can use for good, or use for bad. It is currently used for good, and it is currently used for bad. 

Everything is complicated, and that's okay.


It functions in a way similar to the mechanism that makes you enjoy daydreaming that your ordinary live gets interesting when you get your admissions to Hogwarts or your mutant power develops. Most conspiracy theorist don't seem much different from kids (or adults) thinking about such things. The secret knowledge makes them special in their own minds. Qanoners are just like the shiattiest fandom.
 
2021-06-10 11:37:02 PM  

phaseolus: ...and sometimes I wonder if the popularity of those Dan Brown books and all that end times rapture fiction may have primed a big chunk of the population to be receptive to all the nonsense


If conspiracy theories are a desire to find order and a sense of control then I think 9-11, two wars, 2008 economic collapse, the resulting deepening of income inequality, the increase in visible POC in media are all factors from the last twenty years.

I think it depends on the individual Q'er.  One in the video was a diehard Bernie Bro who blames the Clintons.  I'm sure plenty of combat veterans have unresolved trauma.  People who lost their homes and jobs they thought were their path to an easier life.  Some are white supremacists (whether they're self aware or not) and buy into the white genocide crap Tucker Carlson is pushing.  No matter the seed, they all end up in it since Q is a grab bag of classic conspiracy theories mish mashed into one, so they can pick and choose what to focus on.  Clintons control everything?  Sure.  Oh, its Satanic panic again?  Ok. The Jews are trying to replace you with baby making brown people?  You bet, Uncle Bob.
 
2021-06-10 11:37:23 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: weddingsinger: GrizzlyPouch: I'm sure this video with no names or pictures of actual people is totally legit!

Absolutely.  And there is zero corroborating material anywhere else.

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Here is a list of (some) violent and criminal acts linked to QAnon:
15 June 2018: An Arizona residentblocks a bridge near the Hoover Dam with an armored vehicle. He later pleads guilty to a terrorism charge.

13 March 2019: In Staten Island,a 24-year-old man allegedly murdersa leader in the Gambino crime family.

2 April2020:A man is charged with intentionally derailing a freight train near thenavy hospital ship Mercy in Los Angeles.

Interesting article.  Did you see the part about the guy who derailed the train and how he never mentioned the Q thing?

But the Guardian did find somebody willing to say "well, this kind of sounds like a Q thing".  So they went ahead and lumped in as one.

If the best thing you could find was an article from 8 months ago that included a couple of events that weren't actually Q related, but got thrown in there anyway.  I mean how scary can it be?


You think a lot of things aren't scary that really are; and cower in fear of shadows on the wall. I think we can disregard almost everything you say after "If" or "But".
 
2021-06-10 11:38:32 PM  

Xcott: weddingsinger: I find it fascinating and can absolutely see how the Venn diagram of Q and MAGA has quite a lot of overlap.

What I find fascinating is why the GOP isn't panicking about this.  Q people have become so much of the base that the party is stuck catering to them, or at least not disavowing them, and making symbolic moves like ousting Liz Cheney for acknowledging the 2020 election, regardless of how conservative she was.  The party has courted conspiracy people for a long time, going back to the Birthers, and the 90's militia crowd before then, but now the conspiracy people are a driving force in the party.

But that's basically a cancer diagnosis for a political party.  These fringe guys aren't enough to win elections, and they're not exactly made of money, either.  I keep reading about these people losing jobs, getting divorced or isolated, becoming useless 24/7 social media addicts mooching off relatives, or getting scammed out of their retirement savings.  I doubt they are a large or reliable voting bloc or a large or reliable source of donations.  They're also unstable and unreliable, e.g. Lin Wood telling the Qsters in Georgia not to vote in the runoffs, to "expose the algorithms".

And courting them requires that you behave like them publicly, and even reject other party factions, again with the ouster of Liz Cheney.  You have to send a message that the tent is not for people who accept basic facts about things like germs or radio waves or whether the events of 2020 actually happened.  It's like their plan A is to become the Larouchites.  How are they not freaking out about where this is leading them, demographically?


How are they not freaking out?

You don't freak out when your plan is working.
 
2021-06-10 11:41:00 PM  
The funny thing is, if you want in on a shadow conspiracy and ooga secret knowledge (and you're a guy), you could just join the Freemasons like your grandpa did.  Get a real clubhouse and decal for your car out of the deal.  Might even do a bit of good with community charity.  And yet, nobody's doing that. Somehow, Q-stuff has much better marketing.
 
2021-06-10 11:43:13 PM  

Pichu0102: arrogantbastich: I sometimes think a lot of people don't ever take the time to really know someone they're in a relationship with. Everyone hides something. Everyone represses something. Of you're observant, you can see it.

Be careful with that line of thinking; you're assuming that this is always who they have been, when the uncomfortable reality is that even people who were once good can change for the worse.


It's always who they have been in the sense that they're always people who don't consider blatant raging bigotry a deal breaker. E.g. people who are actively anti-racist don't fall for Fox or Qanon bullshiat because it's blatantly farking racist, and they take one look at that shiat and nope right on out of there. People who have nazi friends because they don't think political differences are worth cutting someone off over, otoh, are very susceptible to nazi propaganda and can turn from "good" people into nazis/conspiracy theorists. The thing is, they weren't good people before, they just weren't actively bad people. They're basically people who never developed any kind of firm or consistent moral principles. IMO it's mostly a nurture thing.
 
2021-06-10 11:44:23 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: If the best thing you could find was an article from 8 months ago that included a couple of events that weren't actually Q related, but got thrown in there anyway.  I mean how scary can it be?


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2021-06-10 11:44:35 PM  

TheSubjunctive: The funny thing is, if you want in on a shadow conspiracy and ooga secret knowledge (and you're a guy), you could just join the Freemasons like your grandpa did.  Get a real clubhouse and decal for your car out of the deal.  Might even do a bit of good with community charity.  And yet, nobody's doing that. Somehow, Q-stuff has much better marketing.


The Freemasons weren't selfish assholes.
 
2021-06-10 11:45:12 PM  
Gyrfalcon:

Oh ok, I didn't realize we were just making things up.  Here I'll go.

Ahem.   Nothing you saw counts because you're wearing polka dot underpants!!


(How'd I do?)
 
2021-06-10 11:46:27 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: weddingsinger: GrizzlyPouch: I'm sure this video with no names or pictures of actual people is totally legit!

Absolutely.  And there is zero corroborating material anywhere else.

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Here is a list of (some) violent and criminal acts linked to QAnon:
15 June 2018: An Arizona residentblocks a bridge near the Hoover Dam with an armored vehicle. He later pleads guilty to a terrorism charge.

13 March 2019: In Staten Island,a 24-year-old man allegedly murdersa leader in the Gambino crime family.

2 April2020:A man is charged with intentionally derailing a freight train near thenavy hospital ship Mercy in Los Angeles.

Interesting article.  Did you see the part about the guy who derailed the train and how he never mentioned the Q thing?

But the Guardian did find somebody willing to say "well, this kind of sounds like a Q thing".  So they went ahead and lumped in as one.

If the best thing you could find was an article from 8 months ago that included a couple of events that weren't actually Q related, but got thrown in there anyway.  I mean how scary can it be?


You think January 6th was unrelated?

Hmmm... I guess I wouldn't want to be thought of as ridiculous by association either so I suppose its easier to pretend its not all parts of the same deplorable soup.

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As for the train,

Prosecutors say Moreno was "suspicious of the USNS Mercy," believing officials were lying about its true purpose. He believed "it had an alternate purpose related to covid-19 or a government takeover," they said.

Welcome to Qanon, the conspiracy theory about the deep state, election fraud, Trump secretly rounding up pedophile trafficking rings run by Tom Hanks who has been replaced by a clone
 
2021-06-10 11:47:26 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Gyrfalcon:

Oh ok, I didn't realize we were just making things up.  Here I'll go.

Ahem.   Nothing you saw counts because you're wearing polka dot underpants!!


(How'd I do?)


You're really defending QAnon?
 
2021-06-10 11:51:51 PM  
I remember watching the X-Files movie in the theater and being very uncomfortable with the FEMA explosion coverup scenes because even then the loonies were screaming about Bill and Hillary being murderers, lizard people, or even worse, Democrats  I really do pin a lot of this conspiracy crap on Chris Carter and his bullshiat show.
 
2021-06-10 11:52:22 PM  
weddingsinger:

Get back to me when you actually see a Q supporter live in the flesh.

And the train guy.  I get that what he did was bad, and it does sound similar to what's been associated with Q.

Going by that standard we could go back and attribute dozens of events to Q. We could say Timothy Mcveigh was Q.

(But that's not really how things work)
 
2021-06-10 11:54:11 PM  

Mrtraveler01: GrizzlyPouch: Gyrfalcon:

Oh ok, I didn't realize we were just making things up.  Here I'll go.

Ahem.   Nothing you saw counts because you're wearing polka dot underpants!!


(How'd I do?)

You're really defending QAnon?


Of course he is.  You expected different?
 
2021-06-10 11:54:23 PM  
Shiatbags are gonna shiatbag.
 
2021-06-10 11:54:24 PM  

Mrtraveler01: GrizzlyPouch: Gyrfalcon:

Oh ok, I didn't realize we were just making things up.  Here I'll go.

Ahem.   Nothing you saw counts because you're wearing polka dot underpants!!


(How'd I do?)

You're really defending QAnon?


My posts are all written in English.  I can see here that you've also typed words in English.   So You should be able to figure out what my posts are saying.
 
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