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(Forbes)   A cruise line thinks it has found a way around DeSantis' vaccine passport ban   (forbes.com) divider line
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2021-06-10 7:23:05 PM  
60 votes:
At the end of the call, Ritzenthaler fielded a question from a travel advisor asking for additional clarity on how the cruise line would achieve the 95% vaccination threshold. "That's not anything you have to worry about," Ritzenthaler reiterated.

Just saying, if the plan is to travel into international waters and do something awful to the anti-vaxxers, this is exactly how they'd describe it.
 
2021-06-10 11:15:35 PM  
57 votes:
Jack up your prices tenfold and offer a 90% discount with proof of vaccination.
 
2021-06-10 11:13:53 PM  
48 votes:

neongoats: They should charge plague rats full price and then jam them into plague rat poverty sized quarters and not let them mingle with the actual people who care about human life.


Vaccinated? You get half off normal price!
Unvaccinated? We charge a $3000 health and safety surcharge if you can't prove you've been vaccinated.

Oh? Don't want to pay the surcharge? Well, we have a few doses of vaccine in our medical bay. Right this way....
 
2021-06-10 11:12:38 PM  
47 votes:
As dependant as FL is on tourist dollars I find it hard to believe they couldn't play hardball and tell DeDouchebag to shove it.
 
2021-06-10 11:37:01 PM  
44 votes:

cefm: Christ this is so farking dumb.
The way the US did vaccination did not leave any kind of verifiable evidence that it happened. Nobody has any real proof that it occurred. That scheduling card you might have got was just a reminder for shot #2.
This was an intentional choice - get vaccines out fast and easy at the cost of not having a testable chain of evidence to show who got it and who didn't. As a result any "vaccination rate" suggestions are specious at best and impossible to do at worst. Until the pandemic is over it ain't over. Florida's "no rules" approach is crazy, but the CDC putting out vaccination targets with zero ability to back it up isn't great either.


Actually, there's a logged and tracked record of your vaccine that includes the exact date and time you got it, the batch number and an individual id for the vial you got, the name and any license information if who gave it to you, and whatever additional notes the provider decided to add. All of this is largely stored electronically.
 
2021-06-10 11:10:29 PM  
39 votes:
They should charge plague rats full price and then jam them into plague rat poverty sized quarters and not let them mingle with the actual people who care about human life.
 
2021-06-10 11:21:24 PM  
29 votes:
Treat it like the gas stations do credit cards.


You're not charging more for credit, you're offering a cash discount.


Set your prices obscenely high, offer a large discount for showing your vaccine card.  You aren't banning unvaccinated people, you're offering a vaccine discount.
 
2021-06-10 11:35:19 PM  
23 votes:
"Florida - because we honor the government, we honor DeSantis

Well there's your problem.
 
2021-06-10 11:12:06 PM  
23 votes:
Here's my idea: They don't have to have to show proof of vaccination, but anyone that doesn't gets jabbed with a JJ as they step off the gangplank.
 
2021-06-10 11:31:55 PM  
17 votes:
I hope the CDC is on hand to shut the cruise down when it becomes obvious their "way around" the passport ban isn't up to snuff.  At this point, between covid, norovirus, sailing under foreign flags to avoid complying with US law, polluting the oceans, hiding food and galley equipment in cabins to cheat inspections, mistreating staff, and shrugging when violent crimes are committed aboard their vessels at sea, no one should have any sympathy for cruise companies.
 
2021-06-10 11:20:11 PM  
17 votes:
Christ this is so farking dumb.
The way the US did vaccination did not leave any kind of verifiable evidence that it happened. Nobody has any real proof that it occurred. That scheduling card you might have got was just a reminder for shot #2.
This was an intentional choice - get vaccines out fast and easy at the cost of not having a testable chain of evidence to show who got it and who didn't. As a result any "vaccination rate" suggestions are specious at best and impossible to do at worst. Until the pandemic is over it ain't over. Florida's "no rules" approach is crazy, but the CDC putting out vaccination targets with zero ability to back it up isn't great either.
 
2021-06-11 12:03:34 AM  
16 votes:
Anchor the ships just outside Florida's territorial waters and ferry passengers out to them on tenders. You don't have to show proof of vaccination to get on the tender, but you have to show it to get on the ship.
 
2021-06-10 11:59:04 PM  
13 votes:
Make it so they don't need proof of vaccination to get on in FL but when you get to Barbados or wherever the hell you're going you need it go get back on.
 
2021-06-11 3:25:57 AM  
12 votes:
Royal Caribbean just unveiled a plan where people who don't want to show a vaccine card will have to receive a COVID test every day and they'll have to pay full price for every test. In addition, they'll charge non-vaxed people full price for any medical procedures or evacuations. Medevacs can be prohibitively expensive (like $100k+).

It's like a tax on stupid people, and I'm okay with that.
 
2021-06-10 11:24:30 PM  
12 votes:

baronbloodbath: Oh? Don't want to pay the surcharge? Well, we have a few doses of vaccine in our medical bay. Right this way....


The problem with that is that the vaccine takes two weeks to be effective, even the J&J one.
 
2021-06-10 11:32:49 PM  
11 votes:
I'm traveling up to AK North Slope in 2 weeks. You have to show proof of vaccination to go. Yes there are a lot of right wing people working up there, but every freakin one of them is vaccinated. If they can do it for work, they can do it for something unnecessary like cruises.
 
2021-06-10 11:22:12 PM  
10 votes:

IRestoreFurniture: Treat it like the gas stations do credit cards.


You're not charging more for credit, you're offering a cash discount.


Set your prices obscenely high, offer a large discount for showing your vaccine card.  You aren't banning unvaccinated people, you're offering a vaccine discount.


This is a pretty good idea.
 
2021-06-10 11:24:03 PM  
8 votes:

shpritz: Jack up your prices tenfold and offer a 90% discount with proof of vaccination.


Yes! Legal and responsible.

Of course some idiot trumpers will probably crowd fund a single sick person's high price ticket just to stick it to the responsible people as usual.
 
2021-06-10 11:12:02 PM  
8 votes:
It's called federal supremacy.
 
2021-06-11 7:31:52 AM  
7 votes:
Why not have separate cruises for unvaxxed? I rather enjoy the idea of hundreds of unvaxxed Republicans on a cruise ship together, sharing tables at dinner, slow dancing, relaxing in hot tubs within reach of each other's exhalations.

Let these societal misfits enjoy each other's company instead of ruining things for everyone else while coasting on the vaccination status of smarter people.
 
2021-06-11 3:15:32 AM  
7 votes:

cefm: Christ this is so farking dumb.
The way the US did vaccination did not leave any kind of verifiable evidence that it happened. Nobody has any real proof that it occurred. That scheduling card you might have got was just a reminder for shot #2.
This was an intentional choice - get vaccines out fast and easy at the cost of not having a testable chain of evidence to show who got it and who didn't. As a result any "vaccination rate" suggestions are specious at best and impossible to do at worst. Until the pandemic is over it ain't over. Florida's "no rules" approach is crazy, but the CDC putting out vaccination targets with zero ability to back it up isn't great either.


The card I got was a CDC vaccination record, which includes your name, date of birth, the shot you got, lot number, date, and where you received it. On top of that, where I got the shots also kept records.

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2021-06-10 11:27:49 PM  
7 votes:
THE F*CK EVEN IS WITH THAT GARGANTUAN DIARRHEA BARGE
 
2021-06-10 11:13:23 PM  
7 votes:

Colour_out_of_Space: Here's my idea: They don't have to have to show proof of vaccination, but anyone that doesn't gets jabbed with a JJ as they step off the gangplank.


Or keel haul them.
 
2021-06-11 12:00:32 AM  
6 votes:

IRestoreFurniture: Treat it like the gas stations do credit cards.


You're not charging more for credit, you're offering a cash discount.


Set your prices obscenely high, offer a large discount for showing your vaccine card.  You aren't banning unvaccinated people, you're offering a vaccine discount.


Pick the 95% who show proof. Then go over to the 5% who refuse to show proof and pick a few random people out of families but not the entire family.
Hey buddy. Your daughter can come aboard but not you nutjob.

Once sailing, only allow them 5% of the ship. Their cabin and the smoking area.
I really don't care because never going again. I just want to see some reverse stiggin
 
2021-06-10 11:36:15 PM  
6 votes:
Tickets start at 5,000,000 per person but if you show proof that you have the vaccine you get a 99.99% discount.

Problem solved.
 
2021-06-10 11:19:51 PM  
6 votes:

baronbloodbath: neongoats: They should charge plague rats full price and then jam them into plague rat poverty sized quarters and not let them mingle with the actual people who care about human life.

Vaccinated? You get half off normal price!
Unvaccinated? We charge a $3000 health and safety surcharge if you can't prove you've been vaccinated.

Oh? Don't want to pay the surcharge? Well, we have a few doses of vaccine in our medical bay. Right this way....


I feel the need to request your newsletter.
 
2021-06-10 11:19:44 PM  
6 votes:
So feds say they have to have 95% vaccinated before they can leave, but Florida doesn't require showing proof.  So they're going to use the honor system and say "you've been vaccinated, right?  Wink wink."  Does that about sum it up?
 
2021-06-10 11:13:32 PM  
6 votes:
Now if we only had a norovirus vaccine
 
2021-06-10 11:08:09 PM  
6 votes:
Cruise ships kick off next month in Seattle following the recommendations, Florida won't have their first ship until next year. Winning!
 
2021-06-11 12:14:03 AM  
5 votes:

metamax: Now if we only had a norovirus vaccine


Shouldn't be too difficult to do with RNA, and once it's available I'll be at the front of the line. I felt worse for the few days that I had Noro than I did when I had double walking pneumonia.
 
2021-06-11 12:11:53 AM  
5 votes:
They can just put up a sign at the port saying "No Nazis Allowed".

There is almost no overlap between the people who would complain about such a prohibition, and the people who are willing and able to show proof of full vaccination; the handful of people in both groups are rich enough to take their oceanic vacation in a private yacht and wouldn't ride on a cruise ship in the first place.
 
2021-06-11 12:05:42 AM  
5 votes:

johne3819: cefm: NotARocketScientist: I'm traveling up to AK North Slope in 2 weeks. You have to show proof of vaccination to go. Yes there are a lot of right wing people working up there, but every freakin one of them is vaccinated. If they can do it for work, they can do it for something unnecessary like cruises.

Just outta curiosity, what kind of "proof" could you possibly provide?  My shot scheduling card could be photocopied and reproduced and nobody could tell. Asking because I'm keenly aware how impossible it is for me to prove I'm vaccinated.

I saved my reminder emails


THiS, my CDC card, and a printout of my state IIS record, stamped by the state health district office.  I'm going to keep watching to see what's needed to get an EU Vaccination Passport as well.  Reportedly, these will be available to people in the US.

PS. As I posted in yesterday's thread about Canada and COVID, every state has an Immunization Information System.  Check the CDC website for information on your own state's system.
 
2021-06-10 11:40:40 PM  
5 votes:
We live in a capitalist society where business owners make their own decisions and suffer the consequences without government intervention.

Not like that tho
 
2021-06-11 5:17:24 AM  
4 votes:
1) Permanently discontinue discounts for those who work in Florida government. All currently booked will have to re-book without the discount.

2) Require vax-status at booking, passengers over 12 required to upload pic of vax-card. Only one non-vax after 19 vax, that maintains the 95% minimum.

3) Publicly announce that the cruise line will never donate to politicians who voted for this measure, regardless of whether they donate to politicians or not. Take a shot across the bow against future stupidity.

4) Openly investigate ports outside of Florida to move operations. Mobile and Charleston would be thrilled to take tourist dollars away from Gov. UnSanitized.
 
2021-06-11 3:17:37 AM  
4 votes:
It's not that hard folks. The customers have to upload their proof of vaccines  at the time of booking the trip. No need to show it while boarding.


How do you think Hawaii was able to implement the safe travels program? You get to "choose" to upload your test results or vaccine card. No upload, 10 day hard quarantine. It's your choice.
 
2021-06-11 12:33:58 AM  
4 votes:

metamax: Now if we only had a norovirus vaccine


Until then we just need to make sure that everyone takes this seriously.

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Also never eat the mints out of the little dish next to the till. Even if they're individually wrapped.
 
2021-06-11 12:19:58 AM  
4 votes:

zeroflight222: So feds say they have to have 95% vaccinated before they can leave, but Florida doesn't require showing proof.  So they're going to use the honor system and say "you've been vaccinated, right?  Wink wink."  Does that about sum it up?


Easy, you need proof to buy the ticket.  Not proof to board, just to buy the ticket and register the cabin in that name.

Or alternately, you don't need proof to board....but you will to *sail*.

depends on how the stupid Florida law is worded.
 
2021-06-11 12:13:43 AM  
4 votes:
grovel more!

"Florida - because we honor the government, we honor DeSantis"
 
2021-06-10 11:56:38 PM  
4 votes:

Xcott: At the end of the call, Ritzenthaler fielded a question from a travel advisor asking for additional clarity on how the cruise line would achieve the 95% vaccination threshold. "That's not anything you have to worry about," Ritzenthaler reiterated.

Just saying, if the plan is to travel into international waters and do something awful to the anti-vaxxers, this is exactly how they'd describe it.


...I'm not really seeing a downside to that plan...
 
2021-06-10 11:45:31 PM  
4 votes:
Nope.

Never again. Screw you desantis. I rather enjoyed a few cruises but even if everyone is vaccinated. If the covid don't get you the norovirus will.
 
2021-06-10 11:28:32 PM  
4 votes:
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2021-06-10 11:21:44 PM  
4 votes:
turn all the cruise ships into plague cruises. let them 'rona their brains out. if people don't want to take the shot let them face the consequences. live and learn.
 
2021-06-11 10:09:10 AM  
3 votes:
Good luck disembarking at other places without proof of vaccination.
 
2021-06-11 8:44:48 AM  
3 votes:
Of course the option already stated about price differnce is a good one.

However another option would be simply requiring DAILY testing for folks who do not provide their proof.  Charge them for the test.  Oh and during the two hours or so it takes to get your test results back you have to stay in your cabin.  Also you have to eat in a separate dining room.  Can't go to the shows, etc.  Just make it basically a crappy vacation for them.
 
2021-06-11 8:36:24 AM  
3 votes:
 
2021-06-11 8:23:57 AM  
3 votes:

zeroflight222: So feds say they have to have 95% vaccinated before they can leave, but Florida doesn't require showing proof.  So they're going to use the honor system and say "you've been vaccinated, right?  Wink wink."  Does that about sum it up?


And these are the exact same cretins who would lie to their grandmother about anything, much less about being vaccinated.
 
2021-06-11 1:44:10 AM  
3 votes:

cefm: Christ this is so farking dumb.
The way the US did vaccination did not leave any kind of verifiable evidence that it happened. Nobody has any real proof that it occurred. That scheduling card you might have got was just a reminder for shot #2.
This was an intentional choice - get vaccines out fast and easy at the cost of not having a testable chain of evidence to show who got it and who didn't. As a result any "vaccination rate" suggestions are specious at best and impossible to do at worst. Until the pandemic is over it ain't over. Florida's "no rules" approach is crazy, but the CDC putting out vaccination targets with zero ability to back it up isn't great either.


I don't know how they did it where you're from but here in NY you're info is entered into a database before you seen each needle. They know who, how many, where and which you got and can queue up this info as needed. Verified this when I setup my NYS vaccine passport. Tried it a couple days too early - error. Tried after my the 2 weeks post 2nd jab, found my info and verified my passport.

Some states may not be as thorough, but NY has done their homework.
 
2021-06-10 11:51:24 PM  
3 votes:

cefm: Christ this is so farking dumb.
The way the US did vaccination did not leave any kind of verifiable evidence that it happened. Nobody has any real proof that it occurred. That scheduling card you might have got was just a reminder for shot #2.
This was an intentional choice - get vaccines out fast and easy at the cost of not having a testable chain of evidence to show who got it and who didn't. As a result any "vaccination rate" suggestions are specious at best and impossible to do at worst. Until the pandemic is over it ain't over. Florida's "no rules" approach is crazy, but the CDC putting out vaccination targets with zero ability to back it up isn't great either.


Mine has bar code stickers
 
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2021-06-11 1:06:33 PM  
2 votes:

cefm: Christ this is so farking dumb.
The way the US did vaccination did not leave any kind of verifiable evidence that it happened. Nobody has any real proof that it occurred. That scheduling card you might have got was just a reminder for shot #2.
This was an intentional choice - get vaccines out fast and easy at the cost of not having a testable chain of evidence to show who got it and who didn't. As a result any "vaccination rate" suggestions are specious at best and impossible to do at worst. Until the pandemic is over it ain't over. Florida's "no rules" approach is crazy, but the CDC putting out vaccination targets with zero ability to back it up isn't great either.


Really? I got a CDC vaccination record with the date, time, and vaccination lot# of my dose.
 
2021-06-11 11:23:30 AM  
2 votes:

cefm: Christ this is so farking dumb.
The way the US did vaccination did not leave any kind of verifiable evidence that it happened. Nobody has any real proof that it occurred. That scheduling card you might have got was just a reminder for shot #2.
This was an intentional choice - get vaccines out fast and easy at the cost of not having a testable chain of evidence to show who got it and who didn't. As a result any "vaccination rate" suggestions are specious at best and impossible to do at worst. Until the pandemic is over it ain't over. Florida's "no rules" approach is crazy, but the CDC putting out vaccination targets with zero ability to back it up isn't great either.


What are you talking about? The vaccination card is filled out with the name of the vaccine manufacturer, the lot number, the date of each dose, and the location(s) they were administered. It's more proof than you get for any other vaccine. The only reason the CDC can't "back up" their vaccination targets is because there's no requirement that you get vaccinated, and GQP governors pulling shiat like this. But a properly filled out vaccination card showing that the individual got the full set of whatever vaccine is reasonable proof. Obviously, a signed, official medical record similar to what schools and daycares require would be better, but the CDC card isn't bad.
 
2021-06-11 9:06:52 AM  
2 votes:

Gough: johne3819: cefm: NotARocketScientist: I'm traveling up to AK North Slope in 2 weeks. You have to show proof of vaccination to go. Yes there are a lot of right wing people working up there, but every freakin one of them is vaccinated. If they can do it for work, they can do it for something unnecessary like cruises.

Just outta curiosity, what kind of "proof" could you possibly provide?  My shot scheduling card could be photocopied and reproduced and nobody could tell. Asking because I'm keenly aware how impossible it is for me to prove I'm vaccinated.

I saved my reminder emails

THiS, my CDC card, and a printout of my state IIS record, stamped by the state health district office.  I'm going to keep watching to see what's needed to get an EU Vaccination Passport as well.  Reportedly, these will be available to people in the US.

PS. As I posted in yesterday's thread about Canada and COVID, every state has an Immunization Information System.  Check the CDC website for information on your own state's system.


I would add another reason to follow up with your IIS is to make sure your record is accurate. I work at a University managing all of our COVID work since last Summer and routinely pull immunization data for our population. We're hitting only about a 60%-70% accuracy rate. We have people email their card with both doses, but the state only has a record of 1 of them, or none at all. We were told it was a huge issue not to have vaccine data uploaded within 24 hours of giving a dose, but big places like Publix and Walmart routinely skip reporting one or the other. Even a big hospital in Atlanta didn't report first doses for many of our students. One thing that really sucks is that they only match on name and date of birth, so if your first shot is under Bob Smith, and your second is Robert Smith, you'll have 2 records, each of which only has the 1 dose so you'll never come up as fully vaccinated.
 
2021-06-11 8:33:43 AM  
2 votes:
Don't let Florida be the disembarkment port. Then the cruise lines can check vaccination status in whatever state they start from. If one of Florida's ports becomes a stop, the cruise lines will already know vaccination status from day 1.
 
2021-06-11 2:09:23 AM  
2 votes:
Set sail out of Savannah or Charleston and tell DeSantis to get farked
 
2021-06-11 12:15:23 AM  
2 votes:

baronbloodbath: neongoats: They should charge plague rats full price and then jam them into plague rat poverty sized quarters and not let them mingle with the actual people who care about human life.

Vaccinated? You get half off normal price!
Unvaccinated? We charge a $3000 health and safety surcharge if you can't prove you've been vaccinated.

Oh? Don't want to pay the surcharge? Well, we have a few doses of vaccine in our medical bay. Right this way....


It takes 6 weeks for any of the vaccines to be fully effective, 3 for them to have any significant effectiveness.
 
2021-06-11 12:06:20 AM  
2 votes:

phed: Make it so they don't need proof of vaccination to get on in FL but when you get to Barbados or wherever the hell you're going you need it go get back on.


Are other countries even going to allow unvaccinated passengers to get off the ship? Probably, because tourist dollars.
 
2021-06-10 11:38:45 PM  
2 votes:

NotARocketScientist: I'm traveling up to AK North Slope in 2 weeks. You have to show proof of vaccination to go. Yes there are a lot of right wing people working up there, but every freakin one of them is vaccinated. If they can do it for work, they can do it for something unnecessary like cruises.


Just outta curiosity, what kind of "proof" could you possibly provide?  My shot scheduling card could be photocopied and reproduced and nobody could tell. Asking because I'm keenly aware how impossible it is for me to prove I'm vaccinated.
 
2021-06-10 11:26:26 PM  
2 votes:
"A cruise line thinks it has found a way around DeSantis' vaccine passport ban"

Cruise ships outfitted in Biden and Fauci themes.
 
2021-06-10 11:09:33 PM  
2 votes:

Xcott: At the end of the call, Ritzenthaler fielded a question from a travel advisor asking for additional clarity on how the cruise line would achieve the 95% vaccination threshold. "That's not anything you have to worry about," Ritzenthaler reiterated.

Just saying, if the plan is to travel into international waters and do something awful to the anti-vaxxers, this is exactly how they'd describe it.


Bill Barr has a plan.

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2021-06-11 2:43:11 PM  
1 vote:

cefm: Christ this is so farking dumb.
The way the US did vaccination did not leave any kind of verifiable evidence that it happened. Nobody has any real proof that it occurred. That scheduling card you might have got was just a reminder for shot #2.
This was an intentional choice - get vaccines out fast and easy at the cost of not having a testable chain of evidence to show who got it and who didn't. As a result any "vaccination rate" suggestions are specious at best and impossible to do at worst. Until the pandemic is over it ain't over. Florida's "no rules" approach is crazy, but the CDC putting out vaccination targets with zero ability to back it up isn't great either.


That sticker on the card?

Printed from a database, from which the vaccination rates are derived.

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There is most definitely a "testable chain of evidence" of vaccinations.
 
2021-06-11 1:08:28 PM  
1 vote:

Glicky: Meanwhile in the news...

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"Fully Vaccinated"
 
2021-06-11 12:46:04 PM  
1 vote:

cefm: Christ this is so farking dumb.
The way the US did vaccination did not leave any kind of verifiable evidence that it happened. Nobody has any real proof that it occurred. That scheduling card you might have got was just a reminder for shot #2.
This was an intentional choice - get vaccines out fast and easy at the cost of not having a testable chain of evidence to show who got it and who didn't. As a result any "vaccination rate" suggestions are specious at best and impossible to do at worst. Until the pandemic is over it ain't over. Florida's "no rules" approach is crazy, but the CDC putting out vaccination targets with zero ability to back it up isn't great either.


the drug store I was vaccinated at obviously sent some info to NY state, because when I signed up for the NYS Excelsior Pass, they were able to corroborate the info I gave them with the info the drug store sent

and, while I didn't pay anything, I'm pretty sure my insurance company did, so they'll have a record of my vax status as well
 
2021-06-11 11:45:58 AM  
1 vote:
My way to avoid this whole mess is to just stay off the floating petri dish.
 
2021-06-11 10:44:10 AM  
1 vote:

baronbloodbath: neongoats: They should charge plague rats full price and then jam them into plague rat poverty sized quarters and not let them mingle with the actual people who care about human life.

Vaccinated? You get half off normal price!
Unvaccinated? We charge a $3000 health and safety surcharge if you can't prove you've been vaccinated.


A surcharge is probably the best way to do this legally.  You probably can't double the price and offer a 50% discount, because that's generally considered a deceptive business practice --- only private universities can get away with that.  However, you could easily add a stiff COVID-related surcharge that can be waived for vaccinated individuals.

And it wouldn't be an arbitrary "Fark You" surcharge, you could honestly argue that it would cost a big dang lot of money per person to deal with unvaccinated individuals.  You may need to manage separate quarters for them, arrange low-capacity seating areas, devote staff to enforce public health measures, provide minimum capacity for QI housing, etc.

And you can stick it to DeSantis by getting the media to call it the "Florida guy tax."
 
2021-06-11 9:35:52 AM  
1 vote:

zeroflight222: So feds say they have to have 95% vaccinated before they can leave, but Florida doesn't require showing proof.  So they're going to use the honor system and say "you've been vaccinated, right?  Wink wink."  Does that about sum it up?


No.  they are going to reserve 5% of cabins for non-vaccinated passengers.  If you can't show proof of vaccine during the booking process you are only eligible for the limited availability plague cabins.
 
2021-06-11 9:14:07 AM  
1 vote:

trunkbutt: Gough: johne3819: cefm: NotARocketScientist: I'm traveling up to AK North Slope in 2 weeks. You have to show proof of vaccination to go. Yes there are a lot of right wing people working up there, but every freakin one of them is vaccinated. If they can do it for work, they can do it for something unnecessary like cruises.

Just outta curiosity, what kind of "proof" could you possibly provide?  My shot scheduling card could be photocopied and reproduced and nobody could tell. Asking because I'm keenly aware how impossible it is for me to prove I'm vaccinated.

I saved my reminder emails

THiS, my CDC card, and a printout of my state IIS record, stamped by the state health district office.  I'm going to keep watching to see what's needed to get an EU Vaccination Passport as well.  Reportedly, these will be available to people in the US.

PS. As I posted in yesterday's thread about Canada and COVID, every state has an Immunization Information System.  Check the CDC website for information on your own state's system.

I would add another reason to follow up with your IIS is to make sure your record is accurate. I work at a University managing all of our COVID work since last Summer and routinely pull immunization data for our population. We're hitting only about a 60%-70% accuracy rate. We have people email their card with both doses, but the state only has a record of 1 of them, or none at all. We were told it was a huge issue not to have vaccine data uploaded within 24 hours of giving a dose, but big places like Publix and Walmart routinely skip reporting one or the other. Even a big hospital in Atlanta didn't report first doses for many of our students. One thing that really sucks is that they only match on name and date of birth, so if your first shot is under Bob Smith, and your second is Robert Smith, you'll have 2 records, each of which only has the 1 dose so you'll never come up as fully vaccinated.


One of the reasons I scanned and provided to my primary care doc a copy of the CDC card right after the second shot to be placed with my medical records. She said that only a few patients had done the same, but that she is recommending that it be done by all her patients.
 
2021-06-11 9:00:21 AM  
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baronbloodbath: neongoats: baronbloodbath: neongoats: They should charge plague rats full price and then jam them into plague rat poverty sized quarters and not let them mingle with the actual people who care about human life.

Vaccinated? You get half off normal price!
Unvaccinated? We charge a $3000 health and safety surcharge if you can't prove you've been vaccinated.

Oh? Don't want to pay the surcharge? Well, we have a few doses of vaccine in our medical bay. Right this way....

I feel the need to request your newsletter.

The feeling is mutual!

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I think that made my week.
 
2021-06-11 8:27:28 AM  
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But will any destinations allow the boat to disembark pax for day trips?

I wouldn't want my vaccinated self to be stuck on the boat the whole trip just because the cruise line allowed some unvaxed people on board
 
2021-06-11 7:43:18 AM  
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Barricaded Gunman: Why not have separate cruises for unvaxxed? I rather enjoy the idea of hundreds of unvaxxed Republicans on a cruise ship together, sharing tables at dinner, slow dancing, relaxing in hot tubs within reach of each other's exhalations.

Let these societal misfits enjoy each other's company instead of ruining things for everyone else while coasting on the vaccination status of smarter people.


Unfortunately that's a financially losing proposition for the cruiseline. Remember when no country would let certain ships debark at their ports?
 
2021-06-11 7:40:04 AM  
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DrunkenIrishOD: Cruise ships kick off next month in Seattle following the recommendations, Florida won't have their first ship until next year. Winning!


I'm not entirely sure why you think June 26th (15 days from today) is 'next year'. Are you that bad at math?

"The first ship slated to sail out of Florida in 15 months is Celebrity Edge, which will depart Fort Lauderdale on June 26 on a seven-night cruise to the Western Caribbean."

No cruise ship's have sailed in 15 months. The first, the Celebrity Edge, is set to sail out from Florida in 15 days. Winning!
 
2021-06-11 6:57:23 AM  
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cefm: NotARocketScientist: I'm traveling up to AK North Slope in 2 weeks. You have to show proof of vaccination to go. Yes there are a lot of right wing people working up there, but every freakin one of them is vaccinated. If they can do it for work, they can do it for something unnecessary like cruises.

Just outta curiosity, what kind of "proof" could you possibly provide?  My shot scheduling card could be photocopied and reproduced and nobody could tell. Asking because I'm keenly aware how impossible it is for me to prove I'm vaccinated.


I have an Excelsior pass, which is given on the basis of vaccination data from the CDC.

Any questions?
 
2021-06-11 5:33:52 AM  
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I figured you could go for a two-fer.

Step 1 - Sell anti-vaxxers tickets and get them onto the boat.
Step 2 - Get to international waters.
Step 3 - Sell hunters tickets to shoot at anti-vaxxers and give them tranquilizer guns with J&J shot in them.

Step 4 - Boat gets vaxxed, and you get to profit twice!
 
2021-06-11 1:01:57 AM  
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Never dock in Florida?

Well, that wouldn't stop Floridans from being a menace in other states.
 
2021-06-10 11:49:59 PM  
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shpritz: Jack up your prices tenfold and offer a 90% discount with proof of vaccination.


farkin brilliant
 
2021-06-10 11:40:42 PM  
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cefm: NotARocketScientist: I'm traveling up to AK North Slope in 2 weeks. You have to show proof of vaccination to go. Yes there are a lot of right wing people working up there, but every freakin one of them is vaccinated. If they can do it for work, they can do it for something unnecessary like cruises.

Just outta curiosity, what kind of "proof" could you possibly provide?  My shot scheduling card could be photocopied and reproduced and nobody could tell. Asking because I'm keenly aware how impossible it is for me to prove I'm vaccinated.


I saved my reminder emails
 
2021-06-10 11:25:26 PM  
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cefm: Christ this is so farking dumb.
The way the US did vaccination did not leave any kind of verifiable evidence that it happened. Nobody has any real proof that it occurred. That scheduling card you might have got was just a reminder for shot #2.
This was an intentional choice - get vaccines out fast and easy at the cost of not having a testable chain of evidence to show who got it and who didn't. As a result any "vaccination rate" suggestions are specious at best and impossible to do at worst. Until the pandemic is over it ain't over. Florida's "no rules" approach is crazy, but the CDC putting out vaccination targets with zero ability to back it up isn't great either.


Video yourself being vaccinated. Save the video for the future when such proof will be priceless.
 
2021-06-10 11:24:49 PM  
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baronbloodbath: neongoats: They should charge plague rats full price and then jam them into plague rat poverty sized quarters and not let them mingle with the actual people who care about human life.

Vaccinated? You get half off normal price!
Unvaccinated? We charge a $3000 health and safety surcharge if you can't prove you've been vaccinated.

Oh? Don't want to pay the surcharge? Well, we have a few doses of vaccine in our medical bay. Right this way....


I totally did not see this before I posted.
 
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