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(NFL)   Kyler Murray, Feb. 2019: "I am firmly committed to becoming an NFL QB" (in announcing he was quitting baseball for good.) Kyler Murray, June 2021: " If I ever had [an MLB] opportunity, for sure, I would definitely go for it"   (nfl.com) divider line
    More: Facepalm, Major League Baseball, Oklahoma product, Oakland Athletics, St. Louis Cardinals, Kyler Murray, current contract, passing of each season, Heisman Trophy  
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3 days ago  
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3 days ago  
Unless you're an elite qb, baseball would have offered better money.

And guaranteed contracts
 
3 days ago  
Gee, I wonder what might have happened between February, 2019, and June, 2021, that might make a highly-skilled professional re-assess his market value.

I just can't - *cough cough* - put my finger on it.
 
3 days ago  

Gubbo: Unless you're an elite qb, baseball would have offered better money.

And guaranteed contracts


I mean, his physical shortcomings not withstanding, he's pretty good at the position. He'll get at least 40 mil a season in his first non-rookie contract.

But I don't know if he will be playing that long. He's VERY undersized in the NFL. And he's taken some shots, and had some of his weaknesses exposed early on. If he doesn't do anything this coming season, with a deep play off push, Cardinals just might want to move on and go all in on Rattler or who ever the next draft star is.
 
3 days ago  

Gubbo: Unless you're an elite qb, baseball would have offered better money.

And guaranteed contracts


Ummmm, no not really. You should look at what the minor leagues have to scrape by on. THAT is what he would have been paid off the bat because no one goes from draft to MLB, the gap between college baseball and pro is far too wide. There are the rare cases where you go from draft to AAA to MLB in quick order, but thats the exception, not the rule
 
3 days ago  

Gubbo: Unless you're an elite qb, baseball would have offered better money.

And guaranteed contracts


And less CTE.
 
3 days ago  

lifeslammer: Gubbo: Unless you're an elite qb, baseball would have offered better money.

And guaranteed contracts

Ummmm, no not really. You should look at what the minor leagues have to scrape by on. THAT is what he would have been paid off the bat because no one goes from draft to MLB, the gap between college baseball and pro is far too wide. There are the rare cases where you go from draft to AAA to MLB in quick order, but thats the exception, not the rule


You know who did it right? Charlie Ward.  Remember when people were surprised he took guaranteed money in the nba over a beating in the nfl?
 
3 days ago  
He's almost certainly made more than he would have as a top 10 MLB draft pick. The path from the minor leagues through team control, arbitration and free agency is almost as uncertain as your NFL shelf life. As a QB I'd expect his first $100 million NFL contract to come quicker than his first MLB one would have.

So I think he probably made the right choice given the positions he actually plays.
 
3 days ago  

The Smails Kid: Gee, I wonder what might have happened between February, 2019, and June, 2021, that might make a highly-skilled professional re-assess his market value.

I just can't - *cough cough* - put my finger on it.


He fixed the cable?
 
3 days ago  

great_tigers: The Smails Kid: Gee, I wonder what might have happened between February, 2019, and June, 2021, that might make a highly-skilled professional re-assess his market value.

I just can't - *cough cough* - put my finger on it.

He fixed the cable?


Don't be fatuous, Jefferey.
 
3 days ago  
A young man wants a career change.  I AM OUTRAGED!!!!!  HE'S SO UNGRATEFUL!!!!
 
3 days ago  
It would suck to be a Cardinals fan
 
3 days ago  

holdmybones: lifeslammer: Gubbo: Unless you're an elite qb, baseball would have offered better money.

And guaranteed contracts

Ummmm, no not really. You should look at what the minor leagues have to scrape by on. THAT is what he would have been paid off the bat because no one goes from draft to MLB, the gap between college baseball and pro is far too wide. There are the rare cases where you go from draft to AAA to MLB in quick order, but thats the exception, not the rule

You know who did it right? Charlie Ward.  Remember when people were surprised he took guaranteed money in the nba over a beating in the nfl?


True. But the NBA didn't have a D-League in 1994. (not that he would have had to go that route necessarily). As others have said, he just wanted to play at the top right away and not have to play in the minors first.
 
3 days ago  

lifeslammer: Gubbo: Unless you're an elite qb, baseball would have offered better money.

And guaranteed contracts

Ummmm, no not really. You should look at what the minor leagues have to scrape by on. THAT is what he would have been paid off the bat because no one goes from draft to MLB, the gap between college baseball and pro is far too wide. There are the rare cases where you go from draft to AAA to MLB in quick order, but thats the exception, not the rule


Yeah, I don't even think swearing off football after his last bowl game and focusing his career on baseball would have drastically improved his mlb draft stock to the point where he could have earned a significant signing bonus. That's about the only way these minor leaguers can be comfortable while earning such a small base salary for multiple years.

However, if he played well enough to get called up and earn himself hefty arbitration raises, etc. he could have landed a better overall guaranteed contract (once he became a FA), compared to the NFL. There are a lot of ifs there though and he only needed to be an elite college QB to land a lucrative and guaranteed NFL rookie contract.
 
3 days ago  

booztravlr: Yeah, I don't even think swearing off football after his last bowl game and focusing his career on baseball would have drastically improved his mlb draft stock to the point where he could have earned a significant signing bonus. That's about the only way these minor leaguers can be comfortable while earning such a small base salary for multiple years.

However, if he played well enough to get called up and earn himself hefty arbitration raises, etc. he could have landed a better overall guaranteed contract (once he became a FA), compared to the NFL. There are a lot of ifs there though and he only needed to be an elite college QB to land a lucrative and guaranteed NFL rookie contract.


Ummm he was picked 9th overall with it known he was leaning toward football.

/that said, yes, the NFL was more lucrative, at least as far as a for-sure money deal
 
3 days ago  
If you have the choice to be a pretty good baseball player or a pretty good football player pick baseball, this is a no-brainer.  He's going to end up with CTE.
 
3 days ago  

swankywanky: holdmybones: lifeslammer: Gubbo: Unless you're an elite qb, baseball would have offered better money.

And guaranteed contracts

Ummmm, no not really. You should look at what the minor leagues have to scrape by on. THAT is what he would have been paid off the bat because no one goes from draft to MLB, the gap between college baseball and pro is far too wide. There are the rare cases where you go from draft to AAA to MLB in quick order, but thats the exception, not the rule

You know who did it right? Charlie Ward.  Remember when people were surprised he took guaranteed money in the nba over a beating in the nfl?

True. But the NBA didn't have a D-League in 1994. (not that he would have had to go that route necessarily). As others have said, he just wanted to play at the top right away and not have to play in the minors first.


...... uh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contine​n​tal_Basketball_Association#CBA%E2%80%9​3NBA_relationship

Don't tell that to John Starks, Tim Legler or Mario Eli
 
2 days ago  

IAmRight: booztravlr: Yeah, I don't even think swearing off football after his last bowl game and focusing his career on baseball would have drastically improved his mlb draft stock to the point where he could have earned a significant signing bonus. That's about the only way these minor leaguers can be comfortable while earning such a small base salary for multiple years.

However, if he played well enough to get called up and earn himself hefty arbitration raises, etc. he could have landed a better overall guaranteed contract (once he became a FA), compared to the NFL. There are a lot of ifs there though and he only needed to be an elite college QB to land a lucrative and guaranteed NFL rookie contract.

Ummm he was picked 9th overall with it known he was leaning toward football.

/that said, yes, the NFL was more lucrative, at least as far as a for-sure money deal


Oh scoops. I thought he was picked 9th in the NFL draft, not MLB. Strike it from the record!
 
2 days ago  

lifeslammer: Gubbo: Unless you're an elite qb, baseball would have offered better money.

And guaranteed contracts

Ummmm, no not really. You should look at what the minor leagues have to scrape by on. THAT is what he would have been paid off the bat because no one goes from draft to MLB, the gap between college baseball and pro is far too wide. There are the rare cases where you go from draft to AAA to MLB in quick order, but thats the exception, not the rule


He got a $9,000,000 signing bonus that he paid back when he joined the Cardinals.  He would have been fine in the minors and probably would've started at AA and been promoted to the majors within a year.  He would've had a longer career with less wear and little to no chance of CTE.
 
2 days ago  

holdmybones: lifeslammer: Gubbo: Unless you're an elite qb, baseball would have offered better money.

And guaranteed contracts

Ummmm, no not really. You should look at what the minor leagues have to scrape by on. THAT is what he would have been paid off the bat because no one goes from draft to MLB, the gap between college baseball and pro is far too wide. There are the rare cases where you go from draft to AAA to MLB in quick order, but thats the exception, not the rule

You know who did it right? Charlie Ward.  Remember when people were surprised he took guaranteed money in the nba over a beating in the nfl?


For years the joke was that the best QB in NY was the point guard for the Knicks.
 
2 days ago  

PluckYew: lifeslammer: Gubbo: Unless you're an elite qb, baseball would have offered better money.

And guaranteed contracts

Ummmm, no not really. You should look at what the minor leagues have to scrape by on. THAT is what he would have been paid off the bat because no one goes from draft to MLB, the gap between college baseball and pro is far too wide. There are the rare cases where you go from draft to AAA to MLB in quick order, but thats the exception, not the rule

He got a $9,000,000 signing bonus that he paid back when he joined the Cardinals.  He would have been fine in the minors and probably would've started at AA and been promoted to the majors within a year.  He would've had a longer career with less wear and little to no chance of CTE.


the CTE thing is a valid argument. but there is SAT math problem to figure out with the bonuses, arbitration, franchise tags, and all that.

in year 4 his NFL team would be itching to throw $100 million in guarantees/bonuses at him. his MLB team would be doing service time bullshiat and arbitration to get him to year 7.
 
2 days ago  

baorao: PluckYew: lifeslammer: Gubbo: Unless you're an elite qb, baseball would have offered better money.

And guaranteed contracts

Ummmm, no not really. You should look at what the minor leagues have to scrape by on. THAT is what he would have been paid off the bat because no one goes from draft to MLB, the gap between college baseball and pro is far too wide. There are the rare cases where you go from draft to AAA to MLB in quick order, but thats the exception, not the rule

He got a $9,000,000 signing bonus that he paid back when he joined the Cardinals.  He would have been fine in the minors and probably would've started at AA and been promoted to the majors within a year.  He would've had a longer career with less wear and little to no chance of CTE.

the CTE thing is a valid argument. but there is SAT math problem to figure out with the bonuses, arbitration, franchise tags, and all that.

in year 4 his NFL team would be itching to throw $100 million in guarantees/bonuses at him. his MLB team would be doing service time bullshiat and arbitration to get him to year 7.


Yeah, and that is something the MLBPA really needs to fix in the next CBA. Signing someone to an MLB contract then immediately designating them as "designated for assignment" to the minors to screw them out of being credited with MLB time is as bad as the old "reserve clause" was. You sign someone to an MLB contract instead of a minor league contract, they get credit for being under an MLB contract and are considered an MLB player for service time requirements, regardless of where you ship them off to before they get called up. You want them to start out in the minors you sign them to a minor-league contract and tell them they have to earn their way to a major-league deal. And don't sign them to an MLB contract while they are still in high-school knowing full well they won't even start playing minor-league ball until they are 22 (no professional sport should be signing people to a contract of any kind until they are at least out of high-school or the equivalent, and in some sports, they should be waiting until at least the age of 21 and their bodies have stopped growing (I am looking at *you*, NBA and NFL, and your whole "one-and-done" BS))
 
2 days ago  

ClavellBCMI: baorao: PluckYew: lifeslammer: Gubbo: Unless you're an elite qb, baseball would have offered better money.

And guaranteed contracts

Ummmm, no not really. You should look at what the minor leagues have to scrape by on. THAT is what he would have been paid off the bat because no one goes from draft to MLB, the gap between college baseball and pro is far too wide. There are the rare cases where you go from draft to AAA to MLB in quick order, but thats the exception, not the rule

He got a $9,000,000 signing bonus that he paid back when he joined the Cardinals.  He would have been fine in the minors and probably would've started at AA and been promoted to the majors within a year.  He would've had a longer career with less wear and little to no chance of CTE.

the CTE thing is a valid argument. but there is SAT math problem to figure out with the bonuses, arbitration, franchise tags, and all that.

in year 4 his NFL team would be itching to throw $100 million in guarantees/bonuses at him. his MLB team would be doing service time bullshiat and arbitration to get him to year 7.

Yeah, and that is something the MLBPA really needs to fix in the next CBA. Signing someone to an MLB contract then immediately designating them as "designated for assignment" to the minors to screw them out of being credited with MLB time is as bad as the old "reserve clause" was. You sign someone to an MLB contract instead of a minor league contract, they get credit for being under an MLB contract and are considered an MLB player for service time requirements, regardless of where you ship them off to before they get called up. You want them to start out in the minors you sign them to a minor-league contract and tell them they have to earn their way to a major-league deal. And don't sign them to an MLB contract while they are still in high-school knowing full well they won't even start playing minor-league ball until they are 22 (no professional sport should be signing people to a contract of any kind until they are at least out of high-school or the equivalent, and in some sports, they should be waiting until at least the age of 21 and their bodies have stopped growing (I am looking at *you*, NBA and NFL, and your whole "one-and-done" BS))


1) the NFL requires people to have been out of HS for three years, not one.
2) The NBA...there's no reason to wait; the people getting drafted out of HS overwhelmingly became successful pros. There's no reason to prop up college basketball.
 
2 days ago  

IAmRight: 1) the NFL requires people to have been out of HS for three years, not one.
2) The NBA...there's no reason to wait; the people getting drafted out of HS overwhelmingly became successful pros. There's no reason to prop up college basketball.


Depending on how you define successful. Most did not live up to their expectations but did become mediocre NBA players, but there were a decent percentage of amazing players that came through

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PluckYew: lifeslammer: Gubbo: Unless you're an elite qb, baseball would have offered better money.

And guaranteed contracts

Ummmm, no not really. You should look at what the minor leagues have to scrape by on. THAT is what he would have been paid off the bat because no one goes from draft to MLB, the gap between college baseball and pro is far too wide. There are the rare cases where you go from draft to AAA to MLB in quick order, but thats the exception, not the rule

He got a $9,000,000 signing bonus that he paid back when he joined the Cardinals.  He would have been fine in the minors and probably would've started at AA and been promoted to the majors within a year.  He would've had a longer career with less wear and little to no chance of CTE.



That assume he pans out. Plenty of top prospects don't make it to the top tier of baseball and many who do end up being middling players. Justin Smoak was a top prospect compared to chipper jones w golden glove defense. He has not been. He's been a journeyman 1B with one AS appearance and no GG and has career earnings of 31 mm. Being drafted in the first round, let alone first overall, nets him a guaranteed 11ish guaranteed. He made the right decision as a two sport athlete to concentrate on football once he was projected as a high first round pick. Even with the signing bonus he wouldn't have broken his 1st overall compensation possibly the frst or second year of arbitration, and if his fifth year rookie option was exercised, it wouldn't even come close.
 
2 days ago  

redmid17: IAmRight: 1) the NFL requires people to have been out of HS for three years, not one.
2) The NBA...there's no reason to wait; the people getting drafted out of HS overwhelmingly became successful pros. There's no reason to prop up college basketball.

Depending on how you define successful. Most did not live up to their expectations but did become mediocre NBA players, but there were a decent percentage of amazing players that came through

[i.imgur.com image 775x541]


What on earth is happening in that graph?
 
2 days ago  

IAmRight: redmid17: IAmRight: 1) the NFL requires people to have been out of HS for three years, not one.
2) The NBA...there's no reason to wait; the people getting drafted out of HS overwhelmingly became successful pros. There's no reason to prop up college basketball.

Depending on how you define successful. Most did not live up to their expectations but did become mediocre NBA players, but there were a decent percentage of amazing players that came through

[i.imgur.com image 775x541]

What on earth is happening in that graph?


A cursory look at the graph would show player placement based on how long they were in the nba and how good they were. So would a longer look. But if you want the original link to know more:

https://pudding.cool/2019/03/hype/
 
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