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2021-06-10 5:44:44 PM  
Nice model
 
2021-06-10 6:43:55 PM  
And since it's built by Hyundai, you get the 10-year warranty.
 
2021-06-10 6:46:21 PM  
My favorite thing from the whole article:

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2021-06-10 6:48:21 PM  

AlgaeRancher: Nice model


Nice marmot.
 
2021-06-10 6:49:07 PM  
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2021-06-10 6:52:25 PM  
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What is this? A aircraft carrier for ants? The aircraft carrier has to be at least... three times bigger than this!
 
2021-06-10 6:52:37 PM  
What's with this fetish with carriers, anyway?
 
2021-06-10 6:55:06 PM  
Even if it's a crappy neighborhood, it's unlikely they'll be shot by their own police because of their skin color.
 
2021-06-10 6:55:08 PM  

casual disregard: What's with this fetish with carriers, anyway?


Clearly reports of their obsolescence have been greatly exaggerated.
 
2021-06-10 6:56:08 PM  

casual disregard: What's with this fetish with carriers, anyway?


They're capital ships, so they're deterrants, force projection, and prestige for the nations with them.
 
2021-06-10 6:56:12 PM  

C18H27NO3: My favorite thing from the whole article:

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M61a1?
 
2021-06-10 6:56:37 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [thedrive.com image 850x478]What is this? A aircraft carrier for ants? The aircraft carrier has to be at least... three times bigger than this!


Fame for this. Leaving with ants in my pants.
 
2021-06-10 6:56:37 PM  

AlgaeRancher: Nice model


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2021-06-10 6:56:40 PM  

BigNumber12: casual disregard: What's with this fetish with carriers, anyway?

Clearly reports of their obsolescence have been greatly exaggerated.


Hypersonic cruise missile. Don't even have to destroy the beast. Just injure it enough to send it back to a friendly port.

Y'know....assuming you can find a friendly port in the blue ocean.
 
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2021-06-10 6:58:24 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [thedrive.com image 850x478]What is this? A aircraft carrier for ants? The aircraft carrier has to be at least... three times bigger than this!


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2021-06-10 6:59:57 PM  
Sounds like fun.......!!!!!


But I don't know if I'd wanna join in on the fun!!!!!
 
2021-06-10 7:00:40 PM  
Since south korea is the second biggest ship builder in the world, they can pull this off easy... with some american help.
 
2021-06-10 7:02:02 PM  

maxandgrinch: Even if it's a crappy neighborhood, it's unlikely they'll be shot by their own police because of their skin color.


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2021-06-10 7:05:44 PM  

casual disregard: What's with this fetish with carriers, anyway?


It's fallout from the Trump era.  Turning our back on the world, has had the result that despots know they can build up huge militaries without worrying about America turning them into expensive scrap heaps, and our allies realiing they can not depend on us to protect them from the despots, because the next Trump might value economics over human rights.

This is gonna cause local arms races all over the world, including the buildip of nuclear arms, and the eventaul unleashing of those arms.

At least nuclear winter may stave off global warming so there is that going for us.
 
2021-06-10 7:06:59 PM  
Zoolander and Beetlejuice and Spinal Tap..? Dark gods damnit, leave something for me to contribute... * dejectedlyshuffles off *
 
2021-06-10 7:07:20 PM  

lolmao500: Since south korea is the second biggest ship builder in the world, they can pull this off easy... with some american help.


My main worry is industrial espionage.
A mass produced knock off of a decent carrier design could be trouble.
 
2021-06-10 7:09:32 PM  

winedrinkingman: casual disregard: What's with this fetish with carriers, anyway?

It's fallout from the Trump era.  Turning our back on the world, has had the result that despots know they can build up huge militaries without worrying about America turning them into expensive scrap heaps, and our allies realiing they can not depend on us to protect them from the despots, because the next Trump might value economics over human rights.

This is gonna cause local arms races all over the world, including the buildip of nuclear arms, and the eventaul unleashing of those arms.

At least nuclear winter may stave off global warming so there is that going for us.


Eh, it's not like a warship building arms race has ever (partly) lead to a years-long conflict with millions dead 🤷🏻♂
 
2021-06-10 7:11:19 PM  

Enigmamf: And since it's built by Hyundai, you get the 10-year warranty.


but only on the propulsion
 
2021-06-10 7:13:07 PM  
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2021-06-10 7:16:27 PM  
If Great Britain can support two aircraft carriers, surely the world's biggest shipbuilder can support one.
 
hej
2021-06-10 7:17:43 PM  

AlgaeRancher: Nice model


It's an aircraft carrier for ants.
 
2021-06-10 7:19:16 PM  
Why would South Korea build an aircraft carrier?

All the threats they are worried about are within flight and cruise missile range... And those can be distributed among a wider area so an alpha strike can't as easily disable them. And they're harder to sink.
 
2021-06-10 7:21:07 PM  

casual disregard: What's with this fetish with carriers, anyway?


You are of course technically correct, the best kind of correct in that yes the world has a fetish, and it is for the carrier.

But think about it for a second.  Would you rather the Navy have it's guys swim to the where we need to bring democracy?  Sure they could, they're in the Navy!  but it's not very fast. Also sharks.
 
2021-06-10 7:21:51 PM  

AlgaeRancher: Nice model


Yeah, but what does it transform into?
 
2021-06-10 7:28:10 PM  
If they build two of them they will have a good start towards copying the Japanese.

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2021-06-10 7:30:28 PM  

TrashcanMan: casual disregard: What's with this fetish with carriers, anyway?

You are of course technically correct, the best kind of correct in that yes the world has a fetish, and it is for the carrier.

But think about it for a second.  Would you rather the Navy have it's guys swim to the where we need to bring democracy?  Sure they could, they're in the Navy!  but it's not very fast. Also sharks.


That's silly.  They could water ski there in half the time
 
2021-06-10 7:31:58 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: C18H27NO3: My favorite thing from the whole article:

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M61a1?


GAU‐8/A Avenger, same weapon as on the A-10 Warthog and the Goalkeeper CIWS system, according to the linked article in the linked article.  Evidently the South Korean navy is currently taking bids for a new CIWS system.

"While the radars will be locally designed and built, the weapon is not likely to be a locally developed one but rather the same GAU‐8/A Avenger seven-barreled autocannon used by the Goalkeeper CIWS, which is already in service with the RoKN."
 
2021-06-10 7:34:51 PM  

TrashcanMan: casual disregard: What's with this fetish with carriers, anyway?

You are of course technically correct, the best kind of correct in that yes the world has a fetish, and it is for the carrier.

But think about it for a second.  Would you rather the Navy have it's guys swim to the where we need to bring democracy?  Sure they could, they're in the Navy!  but it's not very fast. Also sharks.


Of course not.

The Marines swim to shore.
 
2021-06-10 7:36:21 PM  
Does the slope at the end of the runway provide any real benefits or is it just a design choice that "seems like" it should? The only reason a plane wouldn't achieve flight is if weren't going fast enough, and the hill at the end may add a little upward trajectory but also will scrub some momentum, right?

I must assume I'm wrong, but that doesn't help me understand why.
 
2021-06-10 7:38:19 PM  

casual disregard: TrashcanMan: casual disregard: What's with this fetish with carriers, anyway?

You are of course technically correct, the best kind of correct in that yes the world has a fetish, and it is for the carrier.

But think about it for a second.  Would you rather the Navy have it's guys swim to the where we need to bring democracy?  Sure they could, they're in the Navy!  but it's not very fast. Also sharks.

Of course not.

The Marines swim to shore.


Silly person.  Marines walk to shore.
 
2021-06-10 7:38:49 PM  

Polish Hussar: StoPPeRmobile: C18H27NO3: My favorite thing from the whole article:

[Fark user image image 600x338]

M61a1?

GAU‐8/A Avenger, same weapon as on the A-10 Warthog and the Goalkeeper CIWS system, according to the linked article in the linked article.  Evidently the South Korean navy is currently taking bids for a new CIWS system.

"While the radars will be locally designed and built, the weapon is not likely to be a locally developed one but rather the same GAU‐8/A Avenger seven-barreled autocannon used by the Goalkeeper CIWS, which is already in service with the RoKN."


I've always been confused that the US doesn't use the Goalkeeper, which has like an extra kilometer effective range over the 20mm Phalanx.  Only reason I can think of is ammo cost.
 
2021-06-10 7:42:13 PM  
I expect it'll do much better than the Chinese one. Pretty soon everyone in the neighborhood will have one.
 
2021-06-10 7:45:25 PM  
Good for them!
 
2021-06-10 7:46:38 PM  
South Korea, you disappoint.

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2021-06-10 7:47:43 PM  

Xetal: Why would South Korea build an aircraft carrier?

All the threats they are worried about are within flight and cruise missile range... And those can be distributed among a wider area so an alpha strike can't as easily disable them. And they're harder to sink.


Air bases are fairly stationary.
 
2021-06-10 7:51:37 PM  
South Korea really only has 2 enemies : north korea and China. They might need an aircraft carrier for China when it kicks off.
 
2021-06-10 7:52:44 PM  

Xetal: Why would South Korea build an aircraft carrier?

All the threats they are worried about are within flight and cruise missile range... And those can be distributed among a wider area so an alpha strike can't as easily disable them. And they're harder to sink.


They're worried about the Chinese navy, not the North Korean one.
 
2021-06-10 8:00:54 PM  

Habeas Porpoise: They could water ski there in half the time


Brilliant!  No one expects the Water Ski Inquisition!
 
2021-06-10 8:02:07 PM  

casual disregard: The Marines swim to shore


Get on my level, here for a second.  what if the Marines, road on the backs of the naval guys?  The Navy's just swimming around anyway, I call it a win-win proposition.
 
2021-06-10 8:17:33 PM  

casual disregard: What's with this fetish with carriers, anyway?


I thought carriers were about projecting power.  How does an aircraft carrier help defend against an enemy that you share a border with?
 
2021-06-10 8:19:14 PM  
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2021-06-10 8:20:38 PM  

Remnants of Santa: casual disregard: What's with this fetish with carriers, anyway?

I thought carriers were about projecting power.  How does an aircraft carrier help defend against an enemy that you share a border with?


Power projection
 
2021-06-10 8:24:35 PM  

Remnants of Santa: casual disregard: What's with this fetish with carriers, anyway?

I thought carriers were about projecting power.  How does an aircraft carrier help defend against an enemy that you share a border with?


Attacking across a heavily fortified border is not easy, so going around would be a good tactic.  That's where a strong navy becomes essential.
 
2021-06-10 8:26:33 PM  

Remnants of Santa: casual disregard: What's with this fetish with carriers, anyway?

I thought carriers were about projecting power.  How does an aircraft carrier help defend against an enemy that you share a border with?


China is a bigger threat. Xi's government is a threat to everyone in the region. The Koreans have a proverb, "When the whales fight, the shrimp is crushed." The Worst Koreans don't plan to be crushed again.
 
2021-06-10 8:37:14 PM  

BorgiaGinz: Remnants of Santa: casual disregard: What's with this fetish with carriers, anyway?

I thought carriers were about projecting power.  How does an aircraft carrier help defend against an enemy that you share a border with?

China is a bigger threat. Xi's government is a threat to everyone in the region.


Yep, hence the headline.

Also, Japan is arming the fark up as well, and technically being 'allies' doesn't mean that they aren't also rather fierce rivals whose people really farking dislike each other.
 
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