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(Some Guy)   Fine, so you want to cruise unvaccinated? Okay. Here's the bill for each of the daily tests we're going to administer so you can wander amongst the vaccinated masses   (royalcaribbeanblog.com) divider line
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5 days ago  
They should also specify that if they do catch it, they are required to pay for all medical treatment, until they are dropped off at the next port of call, and are responsible for whatever quarantine accommodations and travel home are required. Or be tossed over the side.
 
5 days ago  
Science guy sez. "How the hell is daily testing supposed to help in any way?"
By the time an infected stooge tests positive, the damage to all others is done, mission accomplished.
 
5 days ago  
The tests won't be cheap.
 
5 days ago  

snocone: Science guy sez. "How the hell is daily testing supposed to help in any way?"
By the time an infected stooge tests positive, the damage to all others is done, mission accomplished.


My guess is that this is a deterrent meant to circumvent the stupid florida law against requiring the vaccine. Make traveling unvaccinated too expensive.
 
5 days ago  
I wonder if those two passengers on the MSC Seaside cruise ship that tested postive for Covid-19 will change what the cruise ships here do now.
 
5 days ago  
In other words they caved to the bs crap gov Neanderthal face signed.  They should have told him to go fark himself and planned to not stop in florida. They cant even stop everyone from getting the runs on these ships but they think they can let people who are unvaccinated run around.
 
5 days ago  

SpectroBoy: My guess is that this is a deterrent meant to circumvent the stupid florida law against requiring the vaccine. Make traveling unvaccinated too expensive.


I hadn't thought about it, but that's probably exactly what this is.  I was hoping they would just leave florida and sail from Georgia costing florida money
 
5 days ago  

OdradekRex: They should also specify that if they do catch it, they are required to pay for all medical treatment, until they are dropped off at the next port of call, and are responsible for whatever quarantine accommodations and travel home are required. Or be tossed over the side.


They mention that you'll be responsible for all costs which likely means that...and could/should mean the costs of dealing with an outbreak if you brought it on board.
 
5 days ago  

labman: SpectroBoy: My guess is that this is a deterrent meant to circumvent the stupid florida law against requiring the vaccine. Make traveling unvaccinated too expensive.

I hadn't thought about it, but that's probably exactly what this is.  I was hoping they would just leave florida and sail from Georgia costing florida money


And TX Dipshiat Abbott just signed a law making it a crime for companies to even ASK about your vaccination status, to the tune of $5000 a pop for each infraction.

I guess there are mountains of legal teams figuring out how to properly word these requirements so it circumvents the "ask" portion of the law.

And good on the companies for doing that.  Try getting the GOP (party of personal responsibility, of course) to explain why an unvaccinated person SHOULD NOT be held financially accountable for their reckless behavior.
 
5 days ago  

snocone: Science guy sez. "How the hell is daily testing supposed to help in any way?"
By the time an infected stooge tests positive, the damage to all others is done, mission accomplished.


If 90% of the passengers and 100% of the crew have the vax, it may not mean much except they get dumped at the first port to take them....or locked in an isolated cabin in the engine room until they get back to Miami.
 
5 days ago  

SpectroBoy: snocone: Science guy sez. "How the hell is daily testing supposed to help in any way?"
By the time an infected stooge tests positive, the damage to all others is done, mission accomplished.

My guess is that this is a deterrent meant to circumvent the stupid florida law against requiring the vaccine. Make traveling unvaccinated too expensive.


Why not have a separate section of the ship they have to stay in?
 
5 days ago  
Good.
 
5 days ago  
The CDC guidelines are recommending that 98% of crew and 95% of passengers are vaccinated, because not everyone can get the vaccine due to medical reasons.
 
5 days ago  
After all of the world-wide death this virus has caused (and still causing), why would anyone not vaccinated (and probably won't want to wear a mask either) want to be around a whole bunch of people on a cruise?
 
5 days ago  
There's going to need to clear out a an entire table near the midnight buffet for room to process all the unvaccinated guests that need testing.
 
5 days ago  
What are they going to do about guests who refuse to submit to the extra testing or abide by the extra protocols? Toss em off at the first port?
 
5 days ago  
Where is this boat going to be docking that's just going to accept unvaccinated people
 
5 days ago  

hugram: After all of the world-wide death this virus has caused (and still causing), why would anyone not vaccinated (and probably won't want to wear a mask either) want to be around a whole bunch of people on a cruise?


Simple. Those people believe it's a hoax, or that the vaccine will make them literally magnetic
 
5 days ago  
I mean, fark the cruise industry in general but RC really farked up by appearing to capitulate.


Obstruction is the only thing Republicans understand and it should be used against them.

Find new ports and let it blow up in their faces with their constituents when there lost that revenue.
 
5 days ago  
for anyone showing signs of being sick
just put them in a dingy behind the boat and tow them...
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5 days ago  
LOL who still goes on cruises?
 
5 days ago  

WithinReason: SpectroBoy: snocone: Science guy sez. "How the hell is daily testing supposed to help in any way?"
By the time an infected stooge tests positive, the damage to all others is done, mission accomplished.

My guess is that this is a deterrent meant to circumvent the stupid florida law against requiring the vaccine. Make traveling unvaccinated too expensive.

Why not have a separate section of the ship they have to stay in?


The poop deck?
 
5 days ago  

markie_farkie: labman: SpectroBoy: My guess is that this is a deterrent meant to circumvent the stupid florida law against requiring the vaccine. Make traveling unvaccinated too expensive.

I hadn't thought about it, but that's probably exactly what this is.  I was hoping they would just leave florida and sail from Georgia costing florida money

And TX Dipshiat Abbott just signed a law making it a crime for companies to even ASK about your vaccination status, to the tune of $5000 a pop for each infraction.

I guess there are mountains of legal teams figuring out how to properly word these requirements so it circumvents the "ask" portion of the law.

And good on the companies for doing that.  Try getting the GOP (party of personal responsibility, of course) to explain why an unvaccinated person SHOULD NOT be held financially accountable for their reckless behavior.


Seems easy.
"You must pay to get tested unless you prove you got vaccinated."

Not asking anyone if they did. You can choose to share that info, however, if you don't want to be charged more money.
 
5 days ago  

enry: The tests won't be cheap.


You say that like cruise lines have a reputation for nickle and diming customers.

*opens a $7 Royal Caribbean bottled water*
 
5 days ago  
JFC this nation and its regressive, moronic, pieces of farking shiat we have to work around. As long as this nation continues to pander to the lowest common denominators, or even allow them a say in things or running things, we will never take any strides forward. Here's to our great-great-great grandchildren fighting the same battles with these regressive pieces of dogshiat.
 
5 days ago  

Technoir: What are they going to do about guests who refuse to submit to the extra testing or abide by the extra protocols? Toss em off at the first port?


Probably yes. And then the fun of getting back to the US happens. I'm sure most people that do closed loop Crusoe's out of FL don't bother getting a passport book. Since you can come back via the same departure port with just an ID and birth certificate (or passport card / enhanced DL).

Not so easy to fly without the card from international airports.
 
5 days ago  

labman: SpectroBoy: My guess is that this is a deterrent meant to circumvent the stupid florida law against requiring the vaccine. Make traveling unvaccinated too expensive.

I hadn't thought about it, but that's probably exactly what this is.  I was hoping they would just leave florida and sail from Georgia costing florida money


If they have people who end up passing COVID around the ship enough times, it's possible they just might.

Why continue to do business with a state when they end up costing you a ton to do so?
 
5 days ago  

WithinReason: SpectroBoy: snocone: Science guy sez. "How the hell is daily testing supposed to help in any way?"
By the time an infected stooge tests positive, the damage to all others is done, mission accomplished.

My guess is that this is a deterrent meant to circumvent the stupid florida law against requiring the vaccine. Make traveling unvaccinated too expensive.

Why not have a separate section of the ship they have to stay in?


Re-christen one of the ships The Typhoid Mary and they can all cruise together on that.
 
5 days ago  

hugram: After all of the world-wide death this virus has caused (and still causing), why would anyone not vaccinated (and probably won't want to wear a mask either) want to be around a whole bunch of people on a cruise?


Because "Muh Freedumbs!!!"
 
5 days ago  
Abbott labs tests?
The ones with the high rate of false negatives?
 
5 days ago  

stawmsacomin': LOL who still goes on cruises?


seriously, they were gross af even before the rona
 
5 days ago  
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Is this a helpful picture of what someone with Covid, causing severe jaundice, on a Royal Caribbean ship might look like?
 
5 days ago  
I don't see why all the unvaccinated people aren't just going to go to eBay and buy fake vaccine cards so they can avoid paying for testing. What am I missing?
 
5 days ago  

akya: [royalcaribbeanblog.com image 390x1500]

Is this a helpful picture of what someone with Covid, causing severe jaundice, on a Royal Caribbean ship might look like?


That's what I get for not previewing, but hey, it looks worse!

here's what I meant:

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5 days ago  

MythDragon: markie_farkie: labman: SpectroBoy: My guess is that this is a deterrent meant to circumvent the stupid florida law against requiring the vaccine. Make traveling unvaccinated too expensive.

I hadn't thought about it, but that's probably exactly what this is.  I was hoping they would just leave florida and sail from Georgia costing florida money

And TX Dipshiat Abbott just signed a law making it a crime for companies to even ASK about your vaccination status, to the tune of $5000 a pop for each infraction.

I guess there are mountains of legal teams figuring out how to properly word these requirements so it circumvents the "ask" portion of the law.

And good on the companies for doing that.  Try getting the GOP (party of personal responsibility, of course) to explain why an unvaccinated person SHOULD NOT be held financially accountable for their reckless behavior.

Seems easy.
"You must pay to get tested unless you prove you got vaccinated."

Not asking anyone if they did. You can choose to share that info, however, if you don't want to be charged more money.


Why the fark would I have to piss in a cup to get a job, or in some places government assistance, but spreading Trump Flu is infringing on my gold flag?

farking choads.
 
5 days ago  

Miss5280: I don't see why all the unvaccinated people aren't just going to go to eBay and buy fake vaccine cards so they can avoid paying for testing. What am I missing?


Doing so is technically a federal crime.

See:
https://www.npr.org/2021/06/08/100426​4​531/fake-covid-vaccine-cards-keep-gett​ing-sold-online-using-one-is-a-crime
 
5 days ago  

snocone: Science guy sez. "How the hell is daily testing supposed to help in any way?"
By the time an infected stooge tests positive, the damage to all others is done, mission accomplished.


1. Tickling their two or three remaining brain cells might trigger them into better thinking, or at least make it unpleasant enough that they'll tell their plague rat friends and they'll stay home
2. Expenses. You can be the cruise lines will make money on this deal. They don't have to compel you to prove you are vaccinated, but you will damn well pay for the privilege of not telling them (stigginit)
3. This is effectively a way of saying "prove you are vaccinated VOLUNTARILY and you won't be saddled with all these expenses.

The entire exercise is designed to discourage plague rats from coming on to the cruises. Good. Florida and Texas are run by the dumbest of asshole morans right now. The alternative is for cruise lines to pull up stakes and move their base of operations... and you can bet they will be shifting some of that, now that the republicans have proven hostile to their businesses.
 
5 days ago  

Miss5280: I don't see why all the unvaccinated people aren't just going to go to eBay and buy fake vaccine cards so they can avoid paying for testing. What am I missing?


The wavier you sign to allow them to verify with your doctor that you have been...
 
5 days ago  
If you choose to not show proof of vaccination status, you will be tested (anal swab) daily. Any positive test will result in a termination of the cruise, and all Covid-positive passengers will be responsible for refunding the vaccinated passengers' money, as well as covering the payroll for the employees, for each day missed due to the positive test.

Also, your name, photo and street address will be posted on our website under "Plague Rats"
 
5 days ago  

WithinReason: SpectroBoy: snocone: Science guy sez. "How the hell is daily testing supposed to help in any way?"
By the time an infected stooge tests positive, the damage to all others is done, mission accomplished.

My guess is that this is a deterrent meant to circumvent the stupid florida law against requiring the vaccine. Make traveling unvaccinated too expensive.

Why not have a separate section of the ship they have to stay in?


Yea, Yea, and separate water fountains too...
 
5 days ago  

Recoil Therapy: Miss5280: I don't see why all the unvaccinated people aren't just going to go to eBay and buy fake vaccine cards so they can avoid paying for testing. What am I missing?

The wavier you sign to allow them to verify with your doctor that you have been...


That's a problem for me, I went to a mass vax center and I don't currently have a PCP. A pic of the Vax card and a 3rd party verification of the time and batch numbers would do it.
 
5 days ago  

labman: SpectroBoy: My guess is that this is a deterrent meant to circumvent the stupid florida law against requiring the vaccine. Make traveling unvaccinated too expensive.

I hadn't thought about it, but that's probably exactly what this is.  I was hoping they would just leave florida and sail from Georgia costing florida money


Not stopping in FL also costs the cruise lines.
Believe it or not, Florida has several popular ports of call.
 
5 days ago  

snocone: Science guy sez. "How the hell is daily testing supposed to help in any way?"
By the time an infected stooge tests positive, the damage to all others is done, mission accomplished.


https://nortonhealthcare.com/news/how​-​long-after-exposure-to-test-positive-f​or-covid/amp/

Testing is effective from 3 days after exposure and best 5-7 days after.

If unvaccinated people aren't required to do preboarding tests that makes a maximum of six days on board if for instance they were infected the night before departure.

If it's a 10 day cruise that worst case scenario gets them quarantined as well as any unvaccinated contacts traced in ship to stop any spread on return to port. If it's a two week cruise, even more important for on board safety as well as disembarking.

Most cases will have a less than worst case turn-around time.

This is a good thing.

The better thing would be to require them all to be vaccinated but we live in a world with Republicans.
 
5 days ago  

wejash: OdradekRex: They should also specify that if they do catch it, they are required to pay for all medical treatment, until they are dropped off at the next port of call, and are responsible for whatever quarantine accommodations and travel home are required. Or be tossed over the side.

They mention that you'll be responsible for all costs which likely means that...and could/should mean the costs of dealing with an outbreak if you brought it on board.


As well as a complete disinfection of all public areas.
 
5 days ago  
I like the pricing model that this band came up with when they played a Florida show.  Show your vaccine card, and tix are $18 bucks.  Don't show it?  Tix are $1000.

https://www.tampabay.com/life-culture​/​music/2021/05/28/tickets-to-this-st-pe​tersburg-concert-are-18-for-vaccinated​-nearly-1000-for-unvaccinated/

The cruise industry can do something like this.  They're not forcing anybody to show their vaccine status, but if you volunteer it, the cruise is the normal price. Don't volunteer it, and the price should be like 5x more.
 
5 days ago  

parasol: labman: SpectroBoy: My guess is that this is a deterrent meant to circumvent the stupid florida law against requiring the vaccine. Make traveling unvaccinated too expensive.

I hadn't thought about it, but that's probably exactly what this is.  I was hoping they would just leave florida and sail from Georgia costing florida money

Not stopping in FL also costs the cruise lines.
Believe it or not, Florida has several popular ports of call.


It's not even so much about being a Port of Call as much as Florida has 5 embarkation / disembarkation ports. Miami and Canaveral are especially big, then Lauderdale, Jax, and Tampa.

A few ships that sail from up north do call on Canaveral and do Disney or Universal excursions, but it's not a huge amount of traffic compared to people beginning and ending cruises here.
 
5 days ago  

Technoir: What are they going to do about guests who refuse to submit to the extra testing or abide by the extra protocols? Toss em off at the first port?


*smiles*
speaking clearly into the headset

"Excellent question, Sir! As you know all of our guests receive a prestay package with a variety of information!
Inside you will find, along with a calendar of on ship entertainments during your booked stay and a copy of the menu from our award winning cafe, "The Captain's Wheel", a detailed list of all Covid precautions.
This is, of course, to ensure your time with us is not only enjoyable but safe as well.
In the event a customer, or a member of their party, has questions regarding our Covid policies, we encourage them to review the terms printed at the bottom of your emailed confirmation.
We do hope this answers your questions and, no matter your first cruise or a return to the cruising life, welcome you to your next adventure!"

/I've seriously lived in FL too long
//
///

seriously, though, the answer probably involves fines.
Can't really put them out or keep them in their rooms w/o a fuss.
Tack on charges and let them biatch after the trip from a couple states away.
 
5 days ago  

stawmsacomin': LOL who still goes on cruises?


Retired people.  But they don't go on RC or Carnival.

/My parents were supposed to go Australia to London last year, rescheduled for next spring
 
5 days ago  

Technoir: What are they going to do about guests who refuse to submit to the extra testing or abide by the extra protocols? Toss em off at the first port?


Possibly, yes.  Or cruise ship jail.
You sign agreements when you take a cruise, just like any other form or travel, and if you break those terms they can leave you in Nassau.
 
5 days ago  
So more ships go to NY/NJ port then. I think some of the ships can dock in New Orleans & Charleston, SC. Oh well. Fark Texas and Florida.

/took cruise from Baltimore
//Damn good trip
///got VERY drunk
 
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