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3286 clicks; posted to Main » on 10 Jun 2021 at 3:35 PM (6 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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6 days ago  
I'd also like a pistol-brace and a bump-stock.
And I'm angry now, so how about no waiting period -like that guy in Atlanta got?

Let's not forget the high-cap mags:

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6 days ago  
She ain't afraid of no ghost 👻
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  
I loved my ghost gun as a kid.
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6 days ago  
This is stupid. There needs to be regulations on firearm purchases. The only thing someone needs to do to create a "ghost gun" is to file off serial numbers, wrap the trigger grip, and wipe down the bullets before loading. Then throw it into the nearest body of water.
 
6 days ago  
"Ruh-roh, 'Raggy - rail!"
 
6 days ago  

Ragin' Asian: This is stupid. There needs to be regulations on firearm purchases. The only thing someone needs to do to create a "ghost gun" is to file off serial numbers, wrap the trigger grip, and wipe down the bullets before loading. Then throw it into the nearest body of water.


I'm pretty sure that was not intended as a factual statement.
 
6 days ago  
Jinkies!  What do we do now?
 
6 days ago  
Man, that article is just chock full of hyperbole and made-up crap.
 
6 days ago  
Women Ghostbusters, amirite?
 
6 days ago  
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Calling them ghost guns is the dumbest shiat.
 
6 days ago  
When will this curse end!?

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6 days ago  

leeksfromchichis: Calling them ghost guns is the dumbest shiat.


I suppose if you shoot someone with one, they turn into a ghost, right?
 
6 days ago  

Quigley_Wyatt: I loved my ghost gun as a kid.
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Came here to say the same thing. I think I made the little film strip of ghosts last a couple years by being very frugal with my use of it.
 
6 days ago  
"It has allowed individuals who are passionate about building their own firearms to assemble them in their homes," the group says of the controversial weapons. "This is the exception, not the rule. The overwhelming majority of firearms are bought through commercial sales, produced by manufacturers and sold by retailers that are federally licensed and regulated."

Well if it's such a small number then you should have no problem passing a law allowing them to be regulated like every other firearm. The majority of cars on the road are made by automobile manufactures and come with a VIN, registration and title. Yet hobbyist have been known to build their own from scratch. In those cases we have laws on the books dealing with getting them registered and titled to legalize them for street use. Just because something is rarity doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws on the books for when they come up.
 
6 days ago  

ReapTheChaos: "It has allowed individuals who are passionate about building their own firearms to assemble them in their homes," the group says of the controversial weapons. "This is the exception, not the rule. The overwhelming majority of firearms are bought through commercial sales, produced by manufacturers and sold by retailers that are federally licensed and regulated."

Well if it's such a small number then you should have no problem passing a law allowing them to be regulated like every other firearm. The majority of cars on the road are made by automobile manufactures and come with a VIN, registration and title. Yet hobbyist have been known to build their own from scratch. In those cases we have laws on the books dealing with getting them registered and titled to legalize them for street use. Just because something is rarity doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws on the books for when they come up.


You only need to license and register that home-built automobile if you are going to operate it on public streets.
 
6 days ago  

ReapTheChaos: The majority of cars on the road are made by automobile manufactures and come with a VIN, registration and title. Yet hobbyist have been known to build their own from scratch. In those cases we have laws on the books dealing with getting them registered and titled to legalize them for street use. Just because something is rarity doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws on the books for when they come up.


I'm not opposed to that.  No VIN required until you decide to use them on public property.
 
6 days ago  

sugar_fetus: ReapTheChaos: "It has allowed individuals who are passionate about building their own firearms to assemble them in their homes," the group says of the controversial weapons. "This is the exception, not the rule. The overwhelming majority of firearms are bought through commercial sales, produced by manufacturers and sold by retailers that are federally licensed and regulated."

Well if it's such a small number then you should have no problem passing a law allowing them to be regulated like every other firearm. The majority of cars on the road are made by automobile manufactures and come with a VIN, registration and title. Yet hobbyist have been known to build their own from scratch. In those cases we have laws on the books dealing with getting them registered and titled to legalize them for street use. Just because something is rarity doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws on the books for when they come up.

You only need to license and register that home-built automobile if you are going to operate it on public streets.


In many states you also have to pass an emissions test, etc.  But ... yes.
 
6 days ago  

ReapTheChaos: "It has allowed individuals who are passionate about building their own firearms to assemble them in their homes," the group says of the controversial weapons. "This is the exception, not the rule. The overwhelming majority of firearms are bought through commercial sales, produced by manufacturers and sold by retailers that are federally licensed and regulated."

Well if it's such a small number then you should have no problem passing a law allowing them to be regulated like every other firearm. The majority of cars on the road are made by automobile manufactures and come with a VIN, registration and title. Yet hobbyist have been known to build their own from scratch. In those cases we have laws on the books dealing with getting them registered and titled to legalize them for street use. Just because something is rarity doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws on the books for when they come up.


Home made guns ARE legally treated just like other guns.

Felons aren't legally allowed to possess them.
If a dealer sells one it has to have the usual background check.
In places with registration, they need to be registered.
In most places a private seller could sell one to someone else with no paperwork.
 
6 days ago  

ReapTheChaos: "It has allowed individuals who are passionate about building their own firearms to assemble them in their homes," the group says of the controversial weapons. "This is the exception, not the rule. The overwhelming majority of firearms are bought through commercial sales, produced by manufacturers and sold by retailers that are federally licensed and regulated."

Well if it's such a small number then you should have no problem passing a law allowing them to be regulated like every other firearm. The majority of cars on the road are made by automobile manufactures and come with a VIN, registration and title. Yet hobbyist have been known to build their own from scratch. In those cases we have laws on the books dealing with getting them registered and titled to legalize them for street use. Just because something is rarity doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws on the books for when they come up.


The bigger issue is that cars don't fall under a court-recognized individual right, something that makes applying federal commerce clause interstate regulatory authority to difficult. For a car, all these regulations only apply if you intend to drive it on public roads, if the vehicle never leaves a track, yard, garage, etc it doesnt need squat.

More to the point however, the way guns are regulated, essentially one component is controlled and marked, literally everything else is completely unregulated parts you can buy anywhere. In other nations, those parts all go through national proof houses and are controlled components if they are pressure bearing and get serialized, but not so the US. In the case of making a gun yourself, the regulated component does not require a serial number if it is for your own personal use, if you transfer ownership you have to serialize it.

Likewise gun serial numbers aren't like car VINs, they are essentially whatever gibberish the manufacturer wants to put on as long as its not repeated on an identical model gun and meets ATF engraving requirements. They dont even have to be sequential or numeric. Some guns may have more than one such number, particularly if imported. As a result, the serial numbers are a lot less useful than many think, and anything made before 1968 (of which there are tens of millions of such guns in circulation) may or may not have one at all.

So, in theory there's a lot to your point of view. In practice, with potentially 300 million of these things already in circulation, and the other existing state of affairs, the practicality of enforcing any of that retroactively and effectively is...well, we are where we are for a reason.
 
6 days ago  
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I have one of these.  No markings or serial numbers. Smooth bore barrel.
Perfectly legal.
/liberator pistol
 
6 days ago  

zbtop: In the case of making a gun yourself, the regulated component does not require a serial number if it is for your own personal use, if you transfer ownership you have to serialize it.


It's recommended, but it's not legally required for a non-licensed manufacturer of a firearm made for personal use to serialize it, regardless of whether they later sell it.
 
6 days ago  
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5 days ago  

MythDragon: [i2.wp.com image 800x715]
I have one of these.  No markings or serial numbers. Smooth bore barrel.
Perfectly legal.
/liberator pistol


Did it come with its own stick?  Or did you have to make your own?
 
5 days ago  

Swampmaster: MythDragon: [i2.wp.com image 800x715]
I have one of these.  No markings or serial numbers. Smooth bore barrel.
Perfectly legal.
/liberator pistol

Did it come with its own stick?  Or did you have to make your own?


No stick, but seems like I can extract the shells fine. Only fired it like twice.
 
5 days ago  

MythDragon: Swampmaster: MythDragon: [i2.wp.com image 800x715]
I have one of these.  No markings or serial numbers. Smooth bore barrel.
Perfectly legal.
/liberator pistol

Did it come with its own stick?  Or did you have to make your own?

No stick, but seems like I can extract the shells fine. Only fired it like twice.


That must be what Tom Waits was talking about in "Jockey Full of Bourbon": "Two dollar pistol but the gun won't shoot".
 
5 days ago  
Some people are unbelievably gullible. There have been virtually ZERO Violent crimes that have ever been solved or prevented by tracing a gun. First the authorities have to already have the gun AND the criminal in their custody. In the article's example case the crime was a criminal having a gun with an obliterated serial number, a crime of possession. That is only an Add-On Charge that is used to force a Plea Bargain so a lazy ADA can claim a conviction without having to prove a case when they run for higher office.
 
5 days ago  
For the history I'd love to find one of those one day. Total safe queen, but amazing to think the reason for it's existence.

MythDragon: [i2.wp.com image 800x715]
I have one of these.  No markings or serial numbers. Smooth bore barrel.
Perfectly legal.
/liberator pistol

 
5 days ago  

ex-nuke: Some people are unbelievably gullible. There have been virtually ZERO Violent crimes that have ever been solved or prevented by tracing a gun. First the authorities have to already have the gun AND the criminal in their custody. In the article's example case the crime was a criminal having a gun with an obliterated serial number, a crime of possession. That is only an Add-On Charge that is used to force a Plea Bargain so a lazy ADA can claim a conviction without having to prove a case when they run for higher office.


The illusion of safety.  It's all according to plan.

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5 days ago  

loki021376: For the history I'd love to find one of those one day. Total safe queen, but amazing to think the reason for it's existence.

MythDragon: [i2.wp.com image 800x715]
I have one of these.  No markings or serial numbers. Smooth bore barrel.
Perfectly legal.
/liberator pistol


Yeah that was the first (and only)  one I saw in real life. Had to get it. Cost like $3 to make. I paid like $1,000 for it
 
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