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(Politico)   Needle exchanges have proven to be an extremely effective way to prevent the spread of AIDS and Hepatitis among drug users. So naturally state and national GOP politicians want them shut down, because they allow "bad people" go "unpunished"   (politico.com) divider line
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6 days ago  
Bad people like the Sackler family?
 
6 days ago  

Pinche Mateo: Bad people like the Sackler family?


Or, say, the Trump family.
 
6 days ago  

Pinche Mateo: Bad people like the Sackler family?


No no no, bad people who have a lot of money automatically become good people.
 
6 days ago  
If the Forest Service could move the earth closer to the sun that would probably help...or change the orbit of the moon so it's more like a nightlight!
 
6 days ago  
How can I satisfy my Reichwing X-tian bloodlust now that Biden is getting everyone vaccinated against Covid?
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Let's go back to my old playbook....
 
6 days ago  

Chariset: Pinche Mateo: Bad people like the Sackler family?

No no no, bad people who have a lot of money automatically become good people.


Except when they serve the public good, like Soros.  Then they become bad again.
 
6 days ago  
Some people consider the harms from increased risk of infectious diseases (and outbreaks thereof) becoming more prevalent to be less than the harms of risk of increased drug use.

There's questions of both science and policy. Some of this may be from delusion about the empirical risks involved, while other other parts may be from depravity about the weighing of harms. Republicans seem to tend both delusional and depraved. Of course, they also view Democrats the same way.
 
6 days ago  
We are witnessing a fundamental shift where government no longer cares if people die as long as it's "those" people. Government no longer exists to protect, but to punish. They're not there to save lives, unless those lives are deemed worthy.

We have seatbelt mandates and consumer safety regulations and lead taken out of gasoline and paint because at one point, saving lives and promoting the public good were actual priorities of government.

Those days are gone. Government can't be bothered anymore, and if you die or get sick, you're just shiat out of luck. And it's not going to change until people demand it change and they just can't be bothered or prefer it that way.
 
6 days ago  
Selling drugs is ok, as long as you're white.  And just form an LLC.  Doing drugs is bad, regardless of skin color.  Progress?
 
6 days ago  
It's basically the same mindset as opposing giving out free condoms in high schools: If you help someone avoid the consequences for bad behavior (or "sin," if you will,) you're enabling their sin and therefore morally culpable for it.

But if drug users use dirty needles or high school students have unprotected sex after you told them not to, and they ruin their lives, it's their fault and your hands are clean. At least you didn't enable them.

/ You could also frame it as a fundamental conflict between deontological and consequentialist ethics, but I don't know if that's as much fun
 
6 days ago  

abb3w: Some people consider the harms from increased risk of infectious diseases (and outbreaks thereof) becoming more prevalent to be less than the harms of risk of increased drug use.

There's questions of both science and policy. Some of this may be from delusion about the empirical risks involved, while other other parts may be from depravity about the weighing of harms. Republicans seem to tend both delusional and depraved. Of course, they also view Democrats the same way.


This is an actual argument conservatives have made against the HPV vaccine.
"We shouldn't vaccinate, because it makes premarital/unprotected sex less risky. There should be a risk of consequences, or kids will just do it as they please."
/As if that's a bad thing.
 
6 days ago  
Has any group been responsible for more American deaths than Republicans?
 
6 days ago  
Republicans believe anything they don't like should be punished. Another example would be Republicans view on restricting both abortions and birth control, even though birth control would prevent alot of abortions, because they want to control the female reproductive system and have birth be a punishment for a woman having sex.
 
6 days ago  
I'll keep on saying it. Anyone who thinks poverty, illness, or addiction is a moral failing is absolute scum.
 
6 days ago  
GOP: "The government only exists to enrich the wealthy and punish the non-wealthy."
 
6 days ago  

LL316: Selling drugs is ok, as long as you're white.  And just form an LLC.  Doing drugs is bad, regardless of skin color.  Progress?


Well, yes & no.

Illegal drugs? Only good if you sell to non-whites.

Legal (prescription) drugs? Sell away!
 
6 days ago  
There is no problem in America that Republicans can't make worse.
 
6 days ago  
The thing is is if they were Republicans in truth and concerned a boat spending. They would support these needle exchanges with the fervour of tax cuts for the top 1%. Show them the math. But as we all know it's not about money it's about punishing those people
 
6 days ago  
But what about Mother's Little Helper? That's still okay, right?
 
6 days ago  
I should buy a boat.
 
6 days ago  

Chariset: Pinche Mateo: Bad people like the Sackler family?

No no no, bad people who have a lot of money automatically become good people.


So sayeth the Prosperity Gospel.
See, god blessed them with their wealth. If we try to punish them, then we are thwarting god's will.
How do I know it's god's will? Well, god spoke to me because I am one of his prophets. And if you question god's prophets, then you are damning yourself to an eternity of hellfire. So sayeth the I, god's prophet, who hears god's holy word.
 
6 days ago  
They never want to actually solve any problems. The simple-minded only want to blame, punish and hurt others since actually resolving problems is much more complicated and beyond their caveman-level thinking abilities.
 
6 days ago  

SolderGlob: GOP: "The government only exists to enrich the wealthy and punish the non-wealthy."


Slavery capitalism is a less expensive labor cost than all other worker exploitations -- including other forms of slavery, especially since you require the slave to pay his own education.
 
6 days ago  

SolderGlob: GOP: "The government only exists to enrich the wealthy and punish the non-wealthy."


Something in-group protects but does not bind out-group binds but does not protect.
 
6 days ago  
I volunteered at Prevention Point Pittsburgh. The people who came in for alcohol wipes and clean sharps were everyone from those who hadn't changed clothes in weeks to others who drove up in luxury 7 series BMWs. Addicts come in all forms.
 
6 days ago  
Wait a little while.

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6 days ago  
Being GOP IS the punishment.  Oh. You mean the drug addicts.
 
6 days ago  
The agency I work for runs needle exchanges in two cities. The HIV rate among IV drug users has dropped from somewhere in the 35% range in the 90s to about 7% today. Needle exchange programs work. We provide safe works which prevents HIV or Hepatitis C transmission. We provide education and Narcan which prevents overdose. We also build trust with a community that often doesn't trust the establishment. This helps lead them to rehab / quitting, though it often takes a while for this process to play out.

People who oppose these programs think our clients are all weak and immoral. Well, first of all, so what? That doesn't make them any less human, and I shouldn't have to explain that to people who scream about being Christians. Second of all, MANY of our clients are diabetics, steroid users, or people who got hooked on prescription drugs.
 
6 days ago  
IMAX projection, again.
 
6 days ago  
Same shiat they've been pulling for almost 30 years.

The DC City Council voted on a ballot referendum to open needle exchanges in 1996, which Congress then banned (unless localities - except DC, naturally - wanted to spend their own money on it) until 2007. In the two years after the ban was lifted, the DC needle exchange program prevented 120 new HIV cases (to say nothing of Hepatitises and other diseases) and saved $44 million.

// I think it's pretty clear that the GOP has no idea how public health works
// they're STILL fighting for the right for people to be disease vectors (and not the rights of people to, you know, not be needlessly exposed to a deadly virus) 16 months into a pandemic that's killed 600,000+ people, many of whom WERE trying not to get themselves and others infected
 
6 days ago  

Chariset: Pinche Mateo: Bad people like the Sackler family?

No no no, bad people who have a lot of money automatically become good people.


I swear the overriding characteristic of Americans is they want to morally punish those they feel are undeserving.
 
6 days ago  
The Wire - Hamsterdam
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6 days ago  
We're a nation that believes cruelty is the best practice.
 
6 days ago  

LL316: Has any group been responsible for more American deaths than Republicans?


Not even close
 
6 days ago  

Dr Dreidel: The DC City Council voted on a ballot referendum to open needle exchanges in 1996


Do you even edit, bro?
 
6 days ago  

xalres: I'll keep on saying it. Anyone who thinks poverty, illness, or addiction is a moral failing is absolute scum.


Favorited
 
6 days ago  

menschenfresser: They never want to actually solve any problems. The simple-minded only want to blame, punish and hurt others since actually resolving problems is much more complicated and beyond their caveman-level thinking abilities.


I think they actually get a sexual thrill out if hurting the poor or weak.

I'm serious.
 
6 days ago  

Ambivalence: We are witnessing a fundamental shift where government no longer cares if people die as long as it's "those" people. Government no longer exists to protect, but to punish. They're not there to save lives, unless those lives are deemed worthy.


The shift towards the neoliberal utopia of "total freedom, including the freedom to die" has been going on for the better part of 30 years, at least since the early 90s. This is what individualism has brought. Your worth is entirely based on numbers on an excel spreadsheet. How much do you earn? How much have you saved? What is your house worth? How flashy is your car?

No one cares who you are. Your church, doesn't matter. Your hometown, doesn't matter. Your family, doesn't matter. Even being an American? Doesn't matter. Success is defined entirely on economic terms. The net result is that you simply don't matter if you're poor. Society doesn't care any more, and government reflects society.

Say what you will about the issues with collective identity and conformity in prior generations, but at least people at the bottom of the totem pole had recognised worth because of their non-economic contributions to society. They were simpler times, but may well have been better.
 
6 days ago  
Republicans acting like sadistic assholes.  Film at 11.

/they're not acting
 
6 days ago  

HerptheDerp: We're a nation that believes cruelty is the best practice.


Hell we jerk off to cruelty as a nation
 
6 days ago  

KarmicDisaster: Being GOP IS the punishment.  Oh. You mean the drug addicts.


I'd bet most of the GOP is a drug addict of one kind or another, if not alcoholic, it seems like everyone is on some kind medication.
Prescriptions: Legal drug addiction for the wealthy.
(Addiction is not a crime. It's something that happens to EVERYONE.)

You could say the GOP is addicted to power over others and wealth.
 
6 days ago  

Shaggy_C: Ambivalence: We are witnessing a fundamental shift where government no longer cares if people die as long as it's "those" people. Government no longer exists to protect, but to punish. They're not there to save lives, unless those lives are deemed worthy.

The shift towards the neoliberal utopia of "total freedom, including the freedom to die" has been going on for the better part of 30 years, at least since the early 90s. This is what individualism has brought. Your worth is entirely based on numbers on an excel spreadsheet. How much do you earn? How much have you saved? What is your house worth? How flashy is your car?

No one cares who you are. Your church, doesn't matter. Your hometown, doesn't matter. Your family, doesn't matter. Even being an American? Doesn't matter. Success is defined entirely on economic terms. The net result is that you simply don't matter if you're poor. Society doesn't care any more, and government reflects society.

Say what you will about the issues with collective identity and conformity in prior generations, but at least people at the bottom of the totem pole had recognised worth because of their non-economic contributions to society. They were simpler times, but may well have been better.


Even better would be social democracy
 
6 days ago  

Ambivalence: We are witnessing a fundamental shift where government no longer cares if people die as long as it's "those" people. Government no longer exists to protect, but to punish. They're not there to save lives, unless those lives are deemed worthy.

We have seatbelt mandates and consumer safety regulations and lead taken out of gasoline and paint because at one point, saving lives and promoting the public good were actual priorities of government.

Those days are gone. Government can't be bothered anymore, and if you die or get sick, you're just shiat out of luck. And it's not going to change until people demand it change and they just can't be bothered or prefer it that way.


You mean how it's always worked in this country, but now it's happening to Straight White Men as well?
 
6 days ago  

Martian_Astronomer: It's basically the same mindset as opposing giving out free condoms in high schools: If you help someone avoid the consequences for bad behavior (or "sin," if you will,) you're enabling their sin and therefore morally culpable for it.

But if drug users use dirty needles or high school students have unprotected sex after you told them not to, and they ruin their lives, it's their fault and your hands are clean. At least you didn't enable them.

/ You could also frame it as a fundamental conflict between deontological and consequentialist ethics, but I don't know if that's as much fun


Hell that's the rgument that some parents are using against the cervical CANCER vaccine.   If girls aren't afraid of getting CANCER they might not remain "pure" and purity is more important than preventing them from dies a horrible lingering death
 
6 days ago  
Needle exchanges also reduce the quantity of sharps litter, which increases public safety. Note that I didn't say "eliminates," as junkies gonna be shiatty people who casually put others at risk for their own amusement. Still, less is better, so exchanges are a tangible public benefit.

Now if only we could set up a system of involuntary detox and rehab, to end this shiat for good, that'd be nice.
 
6 days ago  
The GOP is like a toddler whose best argument is "nuh-uh"
 
6 days ago  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: menschenfresser: They never want to actually solve any problems. The simple-minded only want to blame, punish and hurt others since actually resolving problems is much more complicated and beyond their caveman-level thinking abilities.

I think they actually get a sexual thrill out if hurting the poor or weak.  I'm serious.


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I'm serious, and sexually satisfied.

Yeah, get that image out of your head!!
 
6 days ago  
Where does it say "unpunished?"
 
6 days ago  

Elliot8654: This is an actual argument conservatives have made against the HPV vaccine.
"We shouldn't vaccinate, because it makes premarital/unprotected sex less risky. There should be a risk of consequences, or kids will just do it as they please."


More exactly, they are effectively arguing
1) Vaccination against HPV will increase rates of extramarial sex.
2) The harm of the change (with vaccination) in rates of sex will be greater than the benefit from the change in rates of HPV.

Dr Dreidel: // I think it's pretty clear that the GOP has no idea how public health works
// they're STILL fighting for the right for people to be disease vectors


Again, that's not so much a question of delusion about how disease spreads, as moral depravity in their preferences -- renouncing the principle of community self-defense against epidemics of disease, in favor of preferring allowing individuals to choose (whether negligently, recklessly, knowingly, or even purposefully) to endanger the community.
 
6 days ago  
Needle exchanges have proven to be an extremely effective way to prevent the spread of AIDS and Hepatitis among drug users. So naturally state and national GOP politicians want them shut down, because they allow "bad non-rich white people" go "unpunished"


There...
 
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