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2021-06-10 11:12:58 AM  
I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...
 
2021-06-10 11:18:23 AM  
Probably Mephisto.
 
2021-06-10 11:18:55 AM  
Probably not, but I believe they spent a good amount of time determining how to dress and style that extra in order to get people talking about the possibility.
 
2021-06-10 11:20:06 AM  
That...yeah, that looked like Peggy. Maybe we will get a series of her finding Steve in the past. Anything for more Agent Carter!

I think thisnepusode did a great job of setting up the milultiverse and what comes next. Sure. It's a little slow, like Ultron, but it fulfills the same purpose: opening up ground for the next wave of stories.
 
2021-06-10 11:20:57 AM  

scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...


I want a final Cap movie with him and Peggy in the 60s. Because there's no way he just goes back in the past and cools his heels while Hydra is still there.
 
2021-06-10 11:28:28 AM  

scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...


The judge specifically told loki they weren't going after the avengers because what they did they were supposed to do.
 
2021-06-10 11:33:27 AM  

scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...


I thought Loki was told that the avengers messing with the timeline was supposed to happen, but his picking up the tesseract and escaping was not supposed to happen.
 
2021-06-10 11:34:34 AM  

Muzzleloader: scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...

The judge specifically told loki they weren't going after the avengers because what they did they were supposed to do.


Ahhh I must've missed that one part.

Which is still odd because they caused Thanos in one timeline to be completely removed, as well as Gamora and evil Nebula.
 
2021-06-10 11:35:32 AM  

Muzzleloader: scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...

The judge specifically told loki they weren't going after the avengers because what they did they were supposed to do.


ugh, I know, right?
 
2021-06-10 11:37:09 AM  
also, I hadn't noticed the scene with possible-Peggy - I truly enjoyed the episode enough that I don't mind re-watching to keep an eye out.

/world always needs more Agent Carter
 
2021-06-10 11:43:47 AM  
Went down the link and found the bit at the bottom "Marvel confirms Loki is gender-fluid".

I'm thinking... have you heard of Norse mythology?  Loki is gender, sex, and species-fluid!  He's already a dwarf ice giant walking around with an Asgardian skin on, that's so deep in his own head he does it by default like he was born that way.
 
2021-06-10 11:48:28 AM  

JustMatt: scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...

I thought Loki was told that the avengers messing with the timeline was supposed to happen, but his picking up the tesseract and escaping was not supposed to happen.


But the things the Avengers were supposed to do ended up with Loki getting his hands on the stone?
oh heck who cares it was fun and hopefully this will as well.
 
2021-06-10 11:50:09 AM  

Zenith: JustMatt: scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...

I thought Loki was told that the avengers messing with the timeline was supposed to happen, but his picking up the tesseract and escaping was not supposed to happen.

But the things the Avengers were supposed to do ended up with Loki getting his hands on the stone?
oh heck who cares it was fun and hopefully this will as well.


Never try and apply too much logic to time travel stories. Just hope they're fun and go along with it.
 
2021-06-10 12:05:13 PM  

Gubbo: I want a final Cap movie with him and Peggy in the 60s. Because there's no way he just goes back in the past and cools his heels while Hydra is still there.


He knows how everything turns out and also knows that he can't do anything without screwing up the timeline. He'd be risking even more problems if he tried to take down Hydra a few decades early. Steve knows he has to let things play out as they must.
 
2021-06-10 12:10:55 PM  

shoegaze99: Gubbo: I want a final Cap movie with him and Peggy in the 60s. Because there's no way he just goes back in the past and cools his heels while Hydra is still there.

He knows how everything turns out and also knows that he can't do anything without screwing up the timeline. He'd be risking even more problems if he tried to take down Hydra a few decades early. Steve knows he has to let things play out as they must.


Alternatively, who knows what Steve did behind the scenes. The things that happened had to have happened, because they happened. But all those things that didn't happen? Steve.
 
2021-06-10 12:11:45 PM  
Ashley Johnson? Yeah, pretty sure.
 
2021-06-10 12:12:53 PM  

The Martian Manhandler: Alternatively, who knows what Steve did behind the scenes. The things that happened had to have happened, because they happened. But all those things that didn't happen? Steve.


Past Steve gets the 'Loki' treatment, and receives sanctioned jobs from the TVA to keep Earth's timeline on track.  There's your miniseries.  It'd have to be smaller-scale stuff, no 'big bad trying to destroy Earth' kind of stuff, but it could be fun.
 
2021-06-10 12:13:47 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Went down the link and found the bit at the bottom "Marvel confirms Loki is gender-fluid".

I'm thinking... have you heard of Norse mythology?  Loki is gender, sex, and species-fluid!  He's already a dwarf ice giant walking around with an Asgardian skin on, that's so deep in his own head he does it by default like he was born that way.


Loki is farking Sleipnir's mother (dame?).  Sleipnir is Odin's horse.  Seems Odin made a bet with a giant that he couldn't build a defensive wall for Asguard in a single day.  Had he done it, he would have gotten Freya, the Sun, the Moon, and the Stars.  Turns out he *could* do it, with the help of his giant? horse Svaðilfari.

Loki transformed into a mare and lured Svaðilfari away.  Not sure if Loki couldn't escape, the mare's form took over, or Loki really was into "hung like a horse", but Loki came back pregnant.
 
2021-06-10 12:19:45 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Went down the link and found the bit at the bottom "Marvel confirms Loki is gender-fluid".

I'm thinking... have you heard of Norse mythology?  Loki is gender, sex, and species-fluid!  He's already a dwarf ice giant walking around with an Asgardian skin on, that's so deep in his own head he does it by default like he was born that way.


Right, but there's a difference between Norse Mythology and Disney-owned Marvel Mythology. In the comics he's been gender fluid for ages, but the MCU hasn't touched that aspect of him and people are excited over the prospect that they finally are.
 
2021-06-10 12:20:51 PM  
Hitchcock?
 
2021-06-10 12:24:48 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Muzzleloader: scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...

The judge specifically told loki they weren't going after the avengers because what they did they were supposed to do.

Ahhh I must've missed that one part.

Which is still odd because they caused Thanos in one timeline to be completely removed, as well as Gamora and evil Nebula.


Loki shows that the ancient one was wrong about splitting the timeline. It happens, but those timelines don't get to continue.

The TVA doesn't permit split timelines. They allow time travel hijinks if they serve their sacred timeline, but other timelines are destroyed.

(Comic book backstory on the time keepers is that they are the last beings in the universe, and because timelines can be destroyed, they fiercely protect the exact timeline that leads up to themselves being born. They are protecting their own existence. And that is probably why there is a version of Loki running around stealing their timeline destroying devices... so he can alter the timeline to destroy the timekeepers and install himself as the "king of time", which he first realizes in this first episode is more powerful than "king of space").
 
2021-06-10 12:29:02 PM  
Fantastic episode. After two great shows, Wandavision and Falcon & WS, I did have pretty high expectations for this one - and it easily met them.

I liked that it was an episode essentially calling Loki out for his BS, and fleshing him out some more. It was fun, poignant, and interesting. Looking forward to episode 2.

Also, I suspect they tweaked the air date so that something which ties in to Black Widow ends up getting aired before the movie airs (and we all saw that shot of Loki talking to Black Widow in the trailer). So I am expecting that if we haven't seen that by episode 4, then it's a lock for episode 5 - the episode which comes out the day before Black Widow. Really looking forward to finding out!
 
2021-06-10 12:31:11 PM  

shoegaze99: Gubbo: I want a final Cap movie with him and Peggy in the 60s. Because there's no way he just goes back in the past and cools his heels while Hydra is still there.

He knows how everything turns out and also knows that he can't do anything without screwing up the timeline. He'd be risking even more problems if he tried to take down Hydra a few decades early. Steve knows he has to let things play out as they must.


He knows how things turn out. He presumably doesn't know how things got to be that way.

And here we get into the classical time travel dilemna.

When you go back in time, do your actions change the future. Or, were you always back in that time and you're meant to do those actions to ensure the future.

For all we know, without the involvement of a secret Cap operating without revealing himself, Hydra could be the dominant world power.

/wait, didn't I just say not to overthink time travel stories
 
2021-06-10 12:32:30 PM  

mongbiohazard: Fantastic episode. After two great shows, Wandavision and Falcon & WS, I did have pretty high expectations for this one - and it easily met them.

I liked that it was an episode essentially calling Loki out for his BS, and fleshing him out some more. It was fun, poignant, and interesting. Looking forward to episode 2.

Also, I suspect they tweaked the air date so that something which ties in to Black Widow ends up getting aired before the movie airs (and we all saw that shot of Loki talking to Black Widow in the trailer). So I am expecting that if we haven't seen that by episode 4, then it's a lock for episode 5 - the episode which comes out the day before Black Widow. Really looking forward to finding out!


I liked how they toned it down for this first episode also. It was a breakdown of who Loki is and what his current motivations are.  They've got a nice bedrock to build on for these next episodes.
 
2021-06-10 12:34:06 PM  

mongbiohazard: Fantastic episode. After two great shows, Wandavision and Falcon & WS, I did have pretty high expectations for this one - and it easily met them.

I liked that it was an episode essentially calling Loki out for his BS, and fleshing him out some more. It was fun, poignant, and interesting. Looking forward to episode 2.

Also, I suspect they tweaked the air date so that something which ties in to Black Widow ends up getting aired before the movie airs (and we all saw that shot of Loki talking to Black Widow in the trailer). So I am expecting that if we haven't seen that by episode 4, then it's a lock for episode 5 - the episode which comes out the day before Black Widow. Really looking forward to finding out!


Wandavision was really good. I think Falcon and Winter Soldier was just a very generic, but very well executed, action series.

It was a rather forgettable movie, but in a tv series.

Loki so far looks fun
 
2021-06-10 12:34:17 PM  

Captain Shaky: scottydoesntknow: Muzzleloader: scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...

The judge specifically told loki they weren't going after the avengers because what they did they were supposed to do.

Ahhh I must've missed that one part.

Which is still odd because they caused Thanos in one timeline to be completely removed, as well as Gamora and evil Nebula.

Loki shows that the ancient one was wrong about splitting the timeline. It happens, but those timelines don't get to continue.

The TVA doesn't permit split timelines. They allow time travel hijinks if they serve their sacred timeline, but other timelines are destroyed.

(Comic book backstory on the time keepers is that they are the last beings in the universe, and because timelines can be destroyed, they fiercely protect the exact timeline that leads up to themselves being born. They are protecting their own existence. And that is probably why there is a version of Loki running around stealing their timeline destroying devices... so he can alter the timeline to destroy the timekeepers and install himself as the "king of time", which he first realizes in this first episode is more powerful than "king of space").


That's assuming the big bad actually is Loki. The fact we saw a hooded figure and no face at the end indicates to me it's not. Granted, the MCU has become very good at throwing around red herrings to keep people guessing.
 
2021-06-10 12:37:28 PM  
I thought this thread would be about Stan Lee's picture in the TVA.
 
2021-06-10 12:38:56 PM  
And here we go with the MCU fanwank theories that will all almost certainly turn out to be wrong, thereby causing the opinion of a highly entertaining, well crafted series to be deemed "disappointing" because pet theories never panned out.
 
2021-06-10 12:40:35 PM  

Copperbelly watersnake: Captain Shaky: scottydoesntknow: Muzzleloader: scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...

The judge specifically told loki they weren't going after the avengers because what they did they were supposed to do.

Ahhh I must've missed that one part.

Which is still odd because they caused Thanos in one timeline to be completely removed, as well as Gamora and evil Nebula.

Loki shows that the ancient one was wrong about splitting the timeline. It happens, but those timelines don't get to continue.

The TVA doesn't permit split timelines. They allow time travel hijinks if they serve their sacred timeline, but other timelines are destroyed.

(Comic book backstory on the time keepers is that they are the last beings in the universe, and because timelines can be destroyed, they fiercely protect the exact timeline that leads up to themselves being born. They are protecting their own existence. And that is probably why there is a version of Loki running around stealing their timeline destroying devices... so he can alter the timeline to destroy the timekeepers and install himself as the "king of time", which he first realizes in this first episode is more powerful than "king of space").

That's assuming the big bad actually is Loki. The fact we saw a hooded figure and no face at the end indicates to me it's not. Granted, the MCU has become very good at throwing around red herrings to keep people guessing.


Not a bad point.

[SPOILERS]

That very well could be why they said it was Loki... but then didn't show his face afterwards at the end when they had the chance to. I was suspecting it was Loki when they investigated the killing of the Time Keepers in Joan of Arc's time ("stab wounds are consistent" and why else would they need Loki in particular if not for the bad guy being Loki himself?), but looking at it from a meta point of view it's easy to see them as misdirecting us and the characters. Setting up Loki as the big bad, but having it turn out to be a surprise that it wasn't Loki after all.
 
2021-06-10 12:42:32 PM  

Snapper Carr: And here we go with the MCU fanwank theories that will all almost certainly turn out to be wrong, thereby causing the opinion of a highly entertaining, well crafted series to be deemed "disappointing" because pet theories never panned out.


Hahaha... "You'll pay for that."

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Personally, when it turned out it wasn't what we were expecting that actually made me like it more - not less.
 
2021-06-10 12:53:56 PM  
My favorite thing about the show is its 70s retro-future aesthetic. There's not enough of that in sci-fi.
 
2021-06-10 12:54:25 PM  

mongbiohazard: I liked that it was an episode essentially calling Loki out for his BS, and fleshing him out some more.


I suspect that in the long run this wasn't Loki growing with self-examination forced on him, it was Loki playing along with his captors' expectations to gain advantage.
 
2021-06-10 12:59:24 PM  

Copperbelly watersnake: Captain Shaky: scottydoesntknow: Muzzleloader: scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...

The judge specifically told loki they weren't going after the avengers because what they did they were supposed to do.

Ahhh I must've missed that one part.

Which is still odd because they caused Thanos in one timeline to be completely removed, as well as Gamora and evil Nebula.

Loki shows that the ancient one was wrong about splitting the timeline. It happens, but those timelines don't get to continue.

The TVA doesn't permit split timelines. They allow time travel hijinks if they serve their sacred timeline, but other timelines are destroyed.

(Comic book backstory on the time keepers is that they are the last beings in the universe, and because timelines can be destroyed, they fiercely protect the exact timeline that leads up to themselves being born. They are protecting their own existence. And that is probably why there is a version of Loki running around stealing their timeline destroying devices... so he can alter the timeline to destroy the timekeepers and install himself as the "king of time", which he first realizes in this first episode is more powerful than "king of space").

That's assuming the big bad actually is Loki. The fact we saw a hooded figure and no face at the end indicates to me it's not. Granted, the MCU has become very good at throwing around red herrings to keep people guessing.


I figure it's because it's just a different Loki than we'd be expecting.

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2021-06-10 12:59:37 PM  

mongbiohazard: Copperbelly watersnake: Captain Shaky: scottydoesntknow: Muzzleloader: scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...

The judge specifically told loki they weren't going after the avengers because what they did they were supposed to do.

Ahhh I must've missed that one part.

Which is still odd because they caused Thanos in one timeline to be completely removed, as well as Gamora and evil Nebula.

Loki shows that the ancient one was wrong about splitting the timeline. It happens, but those timelines don't get to continue.

The TVA doesn't permit split timelines. They allow time travel hijinks if they serve their sacred timeline, but other timelines are destroyed.

(Comic book backstory on the time keepers is that they are the last beings in the universe, and because timelines can be destroyed, they fiercely protect the exact timeline that leads up to themselves being born. They are protecting their own existence. And that is probably why there is a version of Loki running around stealing their timeline destroying devices... so he can alter the timeline to destroy the timekeepers and install himself as the "king of time", which he first realizes in this first episode is more powerful than "king of space").

That's assuming the big bad actually is Loki. The fact we saw a hooded figure and no face at the end indicates to me it's not. Granted, the MCU has become very good at throwing around red herrings to keep people guessing.

Not a bad point.

[SPOILERS]

That very well could be why they said it was Loki... but then didn't show his face afterwards at the end when they had the chance to. I was suspecting it was Loki when they investigated the killing of the Time Keepers in Joan of Arc's time ("stab wounds are consistent" and why else would they need Loki in particular if not for the bad guy being Loki himself?), but looking at it from a meta point of view it's easy to see them as misdirecting us and the characters. Setting up Loki as the big bad, but having it turn out to be a surprise that it wasn't Loki after all.


Even if the hooded figure isn't Loki, that still doesn't mean that Loki isn't already plotting taking over the TVA. And, for what it's worth, the TVA isn't a good and moral organization. They destroy whole timelines and everything in them for entirely selfish reasons. They are villains, and fighting them is still a good anti-hero story.

And we know they get wrecked too. You can't have a Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness movie if there is an all powerful organization that exists to stop multiverses from ever happening. The next big MCU story arc is going to be about what happens when there is no TVA.
 
2021-06-10 1:08:41 PM  

Unsung_Hero: mongbiohazard: I liked that it was an episode essentially calling Loki out for his BS, and fleshing him out some more.

I suspect that in the long run this wasn't Loki growing with self-examination forced on him, it was Loki playing along with his captors' expectations to gain advantage.


Probably a little of both. He got to see how his life would play out - being responsible for the death of his mother, his father dying and telling him he loves him, reconciling with his brother, and then his ultimate end...

That had to affect him and his thinking. Maybe his series ends up with Loki taking on the TVA and becoming a more ambitious antagonist in the process.
 
2021-06-10 1:12:30 PM  

Copperbelly watersnake: Captain Shaky: scottydoesntknow: Muzzleloader: scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...

The judge specifically told loki they weren't going after the avengers because what they did they were supposed to do.

Ahhh I must've missed that one part.

Which is still odd because they caused Thanos in one timeline to be completely removed, as well as Gamora and evil Nebula.

Loki shows that the ancient one was wrong about splitting the timeline. It happens, but those timelines don't get to continue.

The TVA doesn't permit split timelines. They allow time travel hijinks if they serve their sacred timeline, but other timelines are destroyed.

(Comic book backstory on the time keepers is that they are the last beings in the universe, and because timelines can be destroyed, they fiercely protect the exact timeline that leads up to themselves being born. They are protecting their own existence. And that is probably why there is a version of Loki running around stealing their timeline destroying devices... so he can alter the timeline to destroy the timekeepers and install himself as the "king of time", which he first realizes in this first episode is more powerful than "king of space").

That's assuming the big bad actually is Loki. The fact we saw a hooded figure and no face at the end indicates to me it's not. Granted, the MCU has become very good at throwing around red herrings to keep people guessing.


Kang has to figure into this at some point, too.
 
2021-06-10 1:15:36 PM  

Snapper Carr: And here we go with the MCU fanwank theories that will all almost certainly turn out to be wrong, thereby causing the opinion of a highly entertaining, well crafted series to be deemed "disappointing" because pet theories never panned out.


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2021-06-10 1:17:07 PM  

Zenith: JustMatt: scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...

I thought Loki was told that the avengers messing with the timeline was supposed to happen, but his picking up the tesseract and escaping was not supposed to happen.

But the things the Avengers were supposed to do ended up with Loki getting his hands on the stone?
oh heck who cares it was fun and hopefully this will as well.


Regardless of cause, Loki took the Tesseract and escaped, changing the timeline.  By returning the stones to where they acquired them, the Avengers removed any branches from the line.   Steve Rogers is another story, but perhaps the disruption to the timeline caused by Steve shacking up with Peggy was not severe enough to create a problem.

The big problem is 2014 Thanos was removed from HIS timeline and subsequently dusted from existence.  That would definitely cause some very big changes to the timeline.  Of course, we don't know if Thanos was removed from existence or just from the "present" when Tony snapped his fingers.  He could have sent Thanos back from whence he came.  Since using Endgame time travel logic altering the past doesn't affect the future, which contradicts the idea of the sacred timeline, that would be a major crisis for the TVA.

And for that matter, the whole Loki as a Variant thing opens up endless speculation.  Did Tony snap his fingers, or was that Loki, as he has shown the ability to shapeshift.  Same with old Cap.  Maybe Cap and Peggy were reset by the TVA and Loki had to return the shield to it's original location on the timeline.
 
2021-06-10 1:21:39 PM  

mongbiohazard: Copperbelly watersnake: Captain Shaky: scottydoesntknow: Muzzleloader: scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...

The judge specifically told loki they weren't going after the avengers because what they did they were supposed to do.

Ahhh I must've missed that one part.

Which is still odd because they caused Thanos in one timeline to be completely removed, as well as Gamora and evil Nebula.

Loki shows that the ancient one was wrong about splitting the timeline. It happens, but those timelines don't get to continue.

The TVA doesn't permit split timelines. They allow time travel hijinks if they serve their sacred timeline, but other timelines are destroyed.

(Comic book backstory on the time keepers is that they are the last beings in the universe, and because timelines can be destroyed, they fiercely protect the exact timeline that leads up to themselves being born. They are protecting their own existence. And that is probably why there is a version of Loki running around stealing their timeline destroying devices... so he can alter the timeline to destroy the timekeepers and install himself as the "king of time", which he first realizes in this first episode is more powerful than "king of space").

That's assuming the big bad actually is Loki. The fact we saw a hooded figure and no face at the end indicates to me it's not. Granted, the MCU has become very good at throwing around red herr ...


I'm guessing evil Loki (more evil Loki?  less nice Loki?) is not from universe 199999.

If it is a Loki from another universe, I hope he has a goatee.
 
2021-06-10 1:48:47 PM  

karl2025: I figure it's because it's just a different Loki than we'd be expecting.


Perhaps it's kid Loki since the MCU has been gradually putting the Young Avengers in place.
 
2021-06-10 1:49:58 PM  

Muzzleloader: scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...

The judge specifically told loki they weren't going after the avengers because what they did they were supposed to do.


THIS.
 
2021-06-10 1:51:41 PM  

Great_Milenko: mongbiohazard: Copperbelly watersnake: Captain Shaky: scottydoesntknow: Muzzleloader: scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"


I'm guessing evil Loki (more evil Loki?  less nice Loki?) is not from universe 199999.

If it is a Loki from another universe, I hope he has a goatee.


Pretty sure that in the Norse tales the "old Loki" palled around with Odin and Thor and was the rogue of the party (and thus got all the dirty work done.  See my comment about being the mother of a horse for an extreme example).

Later he morphed into "evil Loki".  Not sure if it was a Christenising effect so when they wrote down the tales they could make Loki a Satan figure or not.  But at some point Loki got Balder killed (trickster god plays god level tricks) and met the wrath of all Asguard.  He was prophesied to lead the giants against gods and men in Ragnarök.

I have no idea if there were any tales between "rogue role" and "doing in Balder".  It may have something to do with the union of the Aesir and the Vanir, and the Vanir folks never liking the trickster god (although the bit with the horse includes Freya, but she could have been added in later).
 
2021-06-10 1:52:48 PM  

browneye: Muzzleloader: scottydoesntknow: I was all ready to say "No", but now I'm thinking "maybe?"

It's honestly harder to say the girl in the TVA still photo does NOT look like Peggy. and they've already demonstrated they'll arrest someone who disrupts the timeline, even entirely unintentionally. Loki didn't cause the tesseract to fall by him, he just took advantage of the situation. Kinda like how Peggy wouldn't have caused Steve to show up for her in the past, but she definitely took advantage of the situation.

It's weird how the TVA didn't go after The Avengers when they're the cause of these disruptions. Or they are going after them...

The judge specifically told loki they weren't going after the avengers because what they did they were supposed to do.

THIS.


yeah, but don't you had putting the universe into a bottle?

What this basically means is that the TVA has eliminated free will.
 
2021-06-10 2:01:18 PM  
oh also? much as I generally love Owen Wilson as an actor, it was definitely... odd getting used to him in that role. but in a good way!
 
2021-06-10 2:09:58 PM  
Threadjack. "Chronal" Continuity errors I can no longer un-see in Endgame.

A) future-cap fighting past-cap. Past-cap has perfectly pristine costume with mask on and no blood.

B) future-cap in elevator scene being completely familiar with the strike team when this was literally his first real outing after being un-froZen.

/Still fun
 
2021-06-10 2:29:57 PM  

tintar: oh also? much as I generally love Owen Wilson as an actor, it was definitely... odd getting used to him in that role. but in a good way!


He was good, but I was honestly distracted by the nose and was wondering if it was a prosthetic whenever they did close-ups. Guess it's always been kind of like that, but looks like he's taken a few shots to the face since I last saw him in a big role.
 
2021-06-10 2:33:09 PM  

Wobambo: tintar: oh also? much as I generally love Owen Wilson as an actor, it was definitely... odd getting used to him in that role. but in a good way!

He was good, but I was honestly distracted by the nose and was wondering if it was a prosthetic whenever they did close-ups. Guess it's always been kind of like that, but looks like he's taken a few shots to the face since I last saw him in a big role.


Some movies (RomComs mostly) soften his nose with contour makeup. This one seems to emphasize it.
 
2021-06-10 2:35:32 PM  

Unbridled Apathy: Wobambo: tintar: oh also? much as I generally love Owen Wilson as an actor, it was definitely... odd getting used to him in that role. but in a good way!

He was good, but I was honestly distracted by the nose and was wondering if it was a prosthetic whenever they did close-ups. Guess it's always been kind of like that, but looks like he's taken a few shots to the face since I last saw him in a big role.

Some movies (RomComs mostly) soften his nose with contour makeup. This one seems to emphasize it.


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Glad it wasn't just my imagination.
 
2021-06-10 2:36:15 PM  

Wobambo: He was good, but I was honestly distracted by the nose and was wondering if it was a prosthetic whenever they did close-ups. Guess it's always been kind of like that, but looks like he's taken a few shots to the face since I last saw him in a big role.


it was distracting - I mean, agreed, I feel like his nose has always kinda-sorta been like that, but yes it did seem a bit exaggerated in certain shots?

I know that e.g. Adrien Brody has always said his own wonky nose was a distinguishing feature and claim to fame, but can't ever recall Wilson saying something like that.
 
2021-06-10 3:20:11 PM  

swahnhennessy: My favorite thing about the show is its 70s retro-future aesthetic. There's not enough of that in sci-fi.


Because when I think 1973 Berlin I think of Time Lizards.
 
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