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(Abc.net.au)   Not less than 48 hours after being voted Australia's most liveable city, Adelaide makes voluntary euthanasia legal   (abc.net.au) divider line
    More: Ironic, Australia, Death, South Australia, Opposition leader Peter Malinauskas, Lower house, South Australia's Lower House, Upper House, Labor MP Susan Close  
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445 clicks; posted to Politics » on 10 Jun 2021 at 12:35 PM (6 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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6 days ago  
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6 days ago  
They needed a law for that? In Australia, voluntary euthanasia should be as simple as making an insulting gesture toward the nearest bit of native wildlife (trees included).
 
6 days ago  
Isn't involuntary euthanasia murdering someone?
 
6 days ago  
needs SPIFFY tag
 
6 days ago  
What did they do before the law if someone killed themselves? Lock them up?
 
6 days ago  
when you're tired of Adelaide, you're tired of life
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  
Isn't it be: No more than 48 hrs after, Sub?
 
6 days ago  

KarmicDisaster: What did they do before the law if someone killed themselves? Lock them up?


Hey, they descend from the British, they were a criminal colony.

And Britain is actually quite well known for posthumous trial and "execution."

So it's entirely possible.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posth​u​mous_execution
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

KarmicDisaster: What did they do before the law if someone killed themselves? Lock them up?


Pretty sure that was the rule everywhere, that if someone tried and failed to commit suicide they were locked up for breaking the law (pre voluntary euthanasia laws came into play). Some places sent you to counselling to talk you out of it, no matter the reason. A few places, like some of the really fundie countries, even has a death sentence for attempted suicide last i read anything on the subject, which made no sense to me whatsoever. "Here! You tried to kill yourself, which is such an egregious sin that the state is gonna do the job for you! Bet you're sorry now, eh?"

I believe it all stems from the Abrahamitic religious concept of your body not belonging to you and you're not allowed to choose for yourself if you've had enough of it, no matter how much its torturing you.
 
6 days ago  

DrD'isInfotainment: Isn't it be: No more than 48 hrs after, Sub?


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6 days ago  
...and?

Sounds like another positive feature to me.
 
6 days ago  
What all this I hear about youth in Asia?
Thank you Emily.
 
6 days ago  
Good. Stop demonizing the same dignity we give our farking pets.
 
6 days ago  
This is what actual freedom looks like.
 
6 days ago  
Quality of death is part of quality of life.

The final part, in case you're unsure.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  
euthanasia is only illegal because of the money that's going to go missing to either insurance companies or taxes.
 
6 days ago  

Ivo Shandor: They needed a law for that? In Australia, voluntary euthanasia should be as simple as making an insulting gesture toward the nearest bit of native wildlife (trees included).


We have that in the US, but it involves calling the police on yourself.
 
6 days ago  
The city of Scottsdale, AZ has these welcome signs that say "Most Livable City" on them. In one location, it's on the corner where a cemetery is. I always thought that was ironic.
 
6 days ago  
Good.  Oregon says hello.
 
6 days ago  
And? Control over your life, including end of life decisions makes it a better place to live.
 
6 days ago  

Gin Buddy: DrD'isInfotainment: Isn't it be: No more than 48 hrs after, Sub?

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They say it don't be like it be, but it do. It do.
 
6 days ago  

KarmicDisaster: What did they do before the law if someone killed themselves? Lock them up?


The people who may have assisted them are still alive and could be charged?
 
6 days ago  
Why would they want to kill their youth?
 
6 days ago  

KarmicDisaster: What did they do before the law if someone killed themselves? Lock them up?


Without reading the article what I assume this means is that somebody can seek a physician's help, or at least professional help in killing themselves. So they don't have to do it in a messy dangerous or painful way.
 
6 days ago  
A big part of being livable, is being dyable when you want it. It's called freedom and liberty.
 
6 days ago  

RolfBlitzer: Why would they want to kill their youth?


They know what they did.
 
6 days ago  
The most livable place because they have the lowest instance of severe mental health issues?
 
6 days ago  
My uncle Ernie was one of the first people to pass from Oregon's death with dignity act.

Survived polio just before the vaccine came out, partial quadriplegic, got pneumonia, and the intubating doctors accidentally severed his vocal cords so he couldn't even talk.  For a musician, after taking his instruments, this was the final indignity.

Please seek help, seek counseling, talk to your family and friends. If this is your unavoidable choice, it should be supported from the people you love.
 
6 days ago  

You Are All Sheep: euthanasia is only illegal because of the money that's going to go missing to either insurance companies or taxes.


People on their deathbed *usually* are not generating any significant tax revenue.  Insurance companies would save a lot of money since it's cheaper to euthanize than to keep someone alive.  Hospitals and hospice care are the only institutions that would loose money if euthanasia were legal in the USA.

In Canada it's been legal for several years, and my mother took advantage of it when her ALS started to get really bad.  It was a farking godsend and I'm so relieved that she was able to have reasonable control over her end of life situation.  She could have gone on suffering for months or even years. And with no cure or even reasonable treatment options there wasn't much of anything else anybody could do for her.
 
6 days ago  
All modern countries should allow this.  I (help) treat cancer and if it were legal and/or allowed for hospitals to have frank conversation with dying people, it would save money on health care (comfort care is much cheaper than trying to save someone who has no chance), save family stress, and staff stress.  There was a Planet Money podcast on this, and the savings to a local hospital was like 30%.
 
6 days ago  
What Euthanasia might look like...

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6 days ago  
by my POV the ultimate prison state policy is, your own life is not your own to choose.


I'm like a life anabaptists. To live your life is not an assumed duty, requirement, or intrinsically unavoidable state, you have to actually choose it yourself or is it not really yours and you're not really living it, your just being an animal running the program like any insect already does.


The universal ultimate of "my body my choice" is to choose to live or not.
 
6 days ago  

Dnaltrop: My uncle Ernie was one of the first people to pass from Oregon's death with dignity act.

Survived polio just before the vaccine came out, partial quadriplegic, got pneumonia, and the intubating doctors accidentally severed his vocal cords so he couldn't even talk.  For a musician, after taking his instruments, this was the final indignity.

Please seek help, seek counseling, talk to your family and friends. If this is your unavoidable choice, it should be supported from the people you love.


If I'm in that position, I don't really care if I'm supported or not. I'm gonna end things with or without someone's blessing.
 
6 days ago  
In all seriousness... after watching a couple of parents go not-so-quietly into that good night (and by this I mean they had slow and miserable deaths) and also having helped several kitties and doggies over the rainbow bridge, spouse and I had serious conversations about this.

We are more concerned about not letting our pets suffer a long, painful death than doing the same for our loved ones. Given a choice I think I'd really consider ending my life with dignity vs. agony,.
 
6 days ago  

Smoking GNU: KarmicDisaster: What did they do before the law if someone killed themselves? Lock them up?

Pretty sure that was the rule everywhere, that if someone tried and failed to commit suicide they were locked up for breaking the law (pre voluntary euthanasia laws came into play). Some places sent you to counselling to talk you out of it, no matter the reason. A few places, like some of the really fundie countries, even has a death sentence for attempted suicide last i read anything on the subject, which made no sense to me whatsoever. "Here! You tried to kill yourself, which is such an egregious sin that the state is gonna do the job for you! Bet you're sorry now, eh?"

I believe it all stems from the Abrahamitic religious concept of your body not belonging to you and you're not allowed to choose for yourself if you've had enough of it, no matter how much its torturing you.


It appears some countries may still have execution as punishment on the books, but nobody does it anymore.  Saudi Arabia seems to be one of the most severe (surprise surprise) with lashing and imprisonment for attempted suicides recently.

Outside of that, really the only places that still have execution as punishment is people who assist/abet in a successful suicide as it is prosecuted under a capital murder offense.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suici​d​e_legislation
 
6 days ago  

PvtStash: by my POV the ultimate prison state policy is, your own life is not your own to choose.


I'm like a life anabaptists. To live your life is not an assumed duty, requirement, or intrinsically unavoidable state, you have to actually choose it yourself or is it not really yours and you're not really living it, your just being an animal running the program like any insect already does.


The universal ultimate of "my body my choice" is to choose to live or not.


The problem with this is that suicidal people are in a position of mental and emotional crisis. That's why we don't just "let" people off themselves. Other than assisted suicide in the face of incurable disease, there really isn't a way to be of sound mind to make that decision.
 
6 days ago  

You Are All Sheep: euthanasia is only illegal because of the money that's going to go missing to either insurance companies or taxes.


Exactly.
 
6 days ago  

Dewey Fidalgo: Good.  Oregon says hello.


It may sound morbid but the wife and I have decided that we're going to move just a bit south if either of us becomes terminally ill.
Unless WA passes some legislation first.
 
6 days ago  

stuhayes2010: All modern countries should allow this.  I (help) treat cancer and if it were legal and/or allowed for hospitals to have frank conversation with dying people, it would save money on health care (comfort care is much cheaper than trying to save someone who has no chance), save family stress, and staff stress.  There was a Planet Money podcast on this, and the savings to a local hospital was like 30%.


Imagine all the pain people go through because they were told at a young age by a person older than them that if you end your life prematurely, you can't go to an imaginary place by a made-up God.
 
6 days ago  

austerity101: The problem with this is that suicidal people are in a position of mental and emotional crisis. That's why we don't just "let" people off themselves. Other than assisted suicide in the face of incurable disease, there really isn't a way to be of sound mind to make that decision.



Can everybody who feels suicidal be helped? I honestly don't know, but I would think that for the people who cannot be helped that must be a shiatty way to live.
 
6 days ago  
Knew a guy who was in Adelaide for a bit.  Said he had to get out of there, though.  Some sort of issue with payment of employees of an agency he ran getting workers for the opal mines.

Last I heard he was in Sri Lanka.
 
6 days ago  
The phrase 'most livable' has a certain sinister connotation when it applies to Australia.
You mean I have the best chance of not getting killed by wildlife here? Great! Sign me up
 
6 days ago  
Chr*st, is that even necessary?
 
6 days ago  

Gin Buddy: austerity101: The problem with this is that suicidal people are in a position of mental and emotional crisis. That's why we don't just "let" people off themselves. Other than assisted suicide in the face of incurable disease, there really isn't a way to be of sound mind to make that decision.


Can everybody who feels suicidal be helped? I honestly don't know, but I would think that for the people who cannot be helped that must be a shiatty way to live.


The words were using are pretty broad here.

Can we help suicidal people who are suicidal in the sense that they are currently in a crisis and are actively trying to harm or kill themselves? Yes, there are plenty of things we can do to calm them down and keep them from dying. Once they're stable, then we can attend to their other needs. But they gotta be still living first.

Can we help people who are "suicidal" in the sense that they experience suicidal ideation? Sort of, but we might not ever get the voices to go completely away. Psychiatric medicine is still very hit-or-miss and requires a lot of experimentation, for those with chemical issues. Therapy generally helps for suicidal thoughts brought on by externalities (family, relationships, finances).

Yes, being depressed and suicidal sucks. Can confirm.
 
6 days ago  

weirdneighbour: Chr*st, is that even necessary?


Yes.
 
6 days ago  
Aloha
 
6 days ago  
Australia, where even the doctors are trying to kill you.
 
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